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00:00
Also why would you do join in key function
@CatPlusPlus: because that joined string is his pk
What's "pk"
primary key
row[1:] is enough, there's no need to create a string
00:02
@milleniumbug: primary key
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@milleniumbug Dutch for horsepower.
@CatPlusPlus Then I' have to join it later for the output; he has that ' ; ' pattern in his target format
It's a demonstration not a literal output they want
Hah! Managed to fix Steam again.
Also it should be emitted with CSV writer
00:05
The solution, again, was deleting libstdc++ and such.
It's irrelevant to grouping itself
@CatPlusPlus :) if that was only true. I more have a feeling that if its not a full program, one does get no accepts any more.
Posting on snack overflow is in general a bad idea
3
also I checked my grocery status, they didn't substitute anything on the list & since it's fully paid I probably would not miss out on any essential items that I really need in this batch of grocery.
@CatPlusPlus cat, you should become a philosopher ... maybe with sorcery power!
00:08
@CatPlusPlus Thx for your review; Ill keep that in mind
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@chmod711telkitty They are working on fixing that.
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The new kilogram will be much more theoretically sound. Probably based on X number of silicon atoms.
Ugh a weekend when I'm finally alone and not bothered by anything and it has to be fucking holiday and people expecting me to go home tomorrow
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@CatPlusPlus Says the person with more rep than a good number of the people here.
@Borgleader I get alllll the girls.
00:10
Which means I know
Also 7 Yearling badgers
Ugh I hate badgers.
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This is a new thing I've never seen before
2 factor auth. for Steam or not 2 factor auth. for Steam?
@Lalaland assume each all kinds of atoms have the same mass throughout the time
also I need to get ready for brunch, at this rate I will be there late
unlike horse - always have 1 foot touching the ground
it really hovers (if you freeze time)!
00:17
@chmod711telkitty They;re smart folks, aren't they
not all creatures with great abilities are smart - they just born with the talent in that particular field ...
also I woke up in a incredulously good mood (albeit running late)
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    pun indented
@Borgleader Stop übercuting my mind ç__ç
@Elyse lol
@jaggedSpire @Morwenn is resisting the kitties :(
00:22
@chmod711telkitty Living outside of the realm of talent and great abilities I can't comment on that...
@Borgleader I'm always resisting the pussies ._.
starbait much
Please no.
Bad pun intended, but I don't want stars.
That's far too mainstream.
00:25
Interesting.
@Morwenn Oh... you're a hipster :(
@Borgleader Not really, but I'm good at playing the hipster.
And I know enough things to be convincing as a hipster.
isn't "wild things" sth with Kevin Bacon as root node?
my map says that I am already running late
@decltype_auto also I like this profile of yours - a whole 212 people reached through this account of yours. So wonderful :p
@chmod711telkitty Girl, stop chatting and start running!
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00:28
@decltype_auto omg bacon
@chmod711telkitty C? That's this realm thing I mentioned.
Ell
Ell
^anyone know an "official" name for this?
RPG Maker
Photobucket
Alt: image
With the basic TRP resources.
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00:32
@Ell Ice Puzzle
@Ell "not the shortest path possible"?
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Also check out Rush Hour. It's similar.
@Ell I know it under the name "Lazer"
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Sliding puzzle.
This looks like fun: The Escapists
00:40
Good night @all. gonna clean up my python mess now.
woah, newegg got a new website. pretty neat
looks like TigerDirect
laundry is out & I am seriously late ...
Laundry is late & I'm seriously out.
Ell
Ell
Yeah Ice Puzzle is what I know
01:07
@Borgleader no one can resist the power of the kitten side of the Force
@jaggedSpire True.
I wonder if this stuff could be applied to starcraft... probably too many actions for it to work im thinking.
Well, it could train against the default starcraft AI?
Yes, but the actions in mario is essentially move left/right, jump
in starcraft there are a lot lot more
But not really that many more? Like 32 more?
01:17
and actions in super mario have mostly immediate consequences - collide with enemy and you or it dies etc.
Yes, that is more of a problem. You need to convert certain actions into steps
Another issue is that each unit has these actions
@ScottW Okay, I give up. Are there New York style pizza places in Saint Louis?
01:30
I wonder if theres a technique out there that could allow an AI to learn the basic things like resource management, attacking and so on, but also highler level things like splitting your army and stutter stepping
@Borgleader Its a basis, can you write that kind of basis?
its a what
Its a basis
oh yes, now that i read it twice i understand what you mean ಠ_ಠ
Works better when I make eye contact ಠ_ಠ
:-)
01:33
actually, there should be...
where was that video
@Borgleader You don't have to solve everything with one method
From page 3 of this article
@CatPlusPlus Right, I'm thinking for the really high level stuff, like meta game I might need something different, like an inference engine "oh hes doing this at this time therefore he cant be doing this so I,ll counter with X"
Folks, is this a valid declaration of global variables?
  Foo g_objFoo;
  Bar g_objBar(&g_objFoo);
(preemptive response to obvios comment: Yes, I'm well aware that globals are not the best practice. All I'm asking about is passing a pointer to one global as a parameter into the constructor of another global.)
well, you'll probably want to be certain that g_objFoo has been initialized, so watch out for that.
Ignore list gotta eat
01:39
@jaggedSpire pizza you say?
hahaha this is awesome
@Borgleader I just want NY Style pizza. Not Chicago, not Saint Louis, not the normal crust served in the rest of the US
Also, that is a cute puppy. :)
@Borgleader Stan Lee and grumpy cat?
seems like, or Grumpy (Lee & Cat)
That cat is all over the place. Where will her popularity end?
01:43
Mawning, Zbrushers! My court-mandated 4 hours of sleep are up :D
Gods are never forgotten
TIL Grumpy Cat is a God of the Information Age
@ElimGarak how was your date
All cats are gods
Duh
@melak47 Fun, if we exclude the Halloween party bullshit. :D
But the timing was appropriate to miss most of it. :D
01:45
@ElimGarak No sexy Halloween bullshit? :o
60 days until end of this fucking year
yay...winter...
Why is there so many holidays until then
@CatPlusPlus Then another year to suffer.
Holidays are so inconvenient
01:46
First time i hear someone complaining about holidays
Holidays are bad, we should cut weekends as well.
@CatPlusPlus because people used to have nothing to do in the winter, so there were a bunch of parties so they wouldn't revolt for funsies
Also, this trend of 16 years-olds dressing like grown women is kind of disconcerting for me.
@Borgleader When you can shape your work time and you don't do crazy overtime they're just that shitty day when shops are closed
Plus this year was so goddamn terribly exhausting I really would like to just sit by myself for like a month straight
@CatPlusPlus this
01:48
And not go home and whatever
wtf that's amazing
it was for jefffrey not for you
don't watch
@AlexM. hahahahahahahaha
:( I mean...I bet that's amazing.
I would probably find it as such, if I had watched something that was so clearly meant for Jefffrey's eyes alone
01:51
@AlexM. is this from this new school of 60 cuts per second cinema?
@melak47 you mean micheal bay?
it's a hotline miami reference but only jeffrey played it :<
thats why I aimed it at him
@AlexM. i finished it...
ah k
I'll add you to my list
01:53
i even got the secret ending :)
There isnt any registry chat or VBS chat here on stack overflow is there?
darn. Know anyone who has had experience tinkering with the windows registry?
01:59
@Morwenn thank you for the diabetes you monster
@jaggedSpire The cutebetes? :D
alright thanks
@Morwenn yep. :D
@jaggedSpire I won't feel sorry for you :p
ITT @Morwenn is glados
02:01
It's Halloween, we can all be villains if we want.
@Borgleader Hey, I'm not that creepy :o
@Morwenn of corpse not. :)
@Morwenn i mostly said that because of the "you monster" statement of earlier.
02:24
@Shammy - You don't have enough reputation points on SO for me to actually test my answers. You'll have to tell me the error you are getting. — selbie 1 min ago
you don't have enough reputation for me to test my answers
wat
w00t
You updated your answer? Still getting same errors.. — Shammy 53 secs ago
ahahaha
idiots answering bad questions
meh
What if all the good questions have already been asked, and answered?
02:29
they haven't
@AlexM. hahahaha
@AlexM. - Testing was getting in the way of eating halloween candy. — selbie 29 secs ago
lol
have a downvote on the house you little fuckshit
time to go to sleep
this is the first time I saw someone explicitly choose to post something that could be wrong because the asker didn't have enough rep
what does that even mean lol
my money is on a power trip
@GregorMcGregor same frog, different video by someone else, so I honestly think it’s what the stock game looks like
lol 20 mins
well I may have forgotten how beautiful it is
02:37
@GregorMcGregor a lot of it was drowned in flashy effects
they’ve actually toned down some of that clutter btw
@jaggedSpire did you go trick or treating? :P
@Borgleader no. ;_;
noone is trick-or-treating, though I saw something happening at one of the churches on my quest for Pizza
Some people rang the bell tonight, but I didn't open :/
you monster
@jaggedSpire I don't have sweets :(
And I don't have a job to buy sweets either.
02:51
@Morwenn :(
@jaggedSpire Ok, I still have enough money. It's just that I could care... less?
@Morwenn as in you care or as in you give approximately 0 fucks?
@GregorMcGregor and I listened to all of it
still ongoing
almost finished
02:57
hotline miami soundtrack because fuck yeah
What shall I do on this halloween night... watching top gear sounds great. I guess ill do that.
i.e. Netflix and chill alone
@Borgleader dress up as a scarecrow prop and pretend to be a decoration while stalking people
You should get Zbrush :D
Don't have the money. :(
I am really curious what Zbrush 5 will look like.
03:07
Me too. In the meantime I'll try to be less terrible at 3D modeling
time to pound on Taidha’s gate
The screenshot with the vault-tec bobblehead has a light that doesn't cast shadows
Gaemers not understanding that in games you can count the number of lights that cast shadows on one hand. Especially on the shitty consoles.
Most gamers don't know shot about rendering tech at all :P
but they feel they're experts on the subject because they've been playing games for 10 years. :D Don't you have anything better to do than pretending you know shit about things online? - my favorite question
Consoles use APUs, they don't have a separate CPU and GPU.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Internet <3
03:21
Oh ffs
@ElimGarak yep, didn't you know
Also DirectX is faster than OpenGL because it's direct instead of open
Potatoes.
it is known
it is known
It is known
03:23
I like how the more technical they get, the more they sound like Cinch.
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The dynamic shadows on stuff like the dog are pretty well done though.
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Doesn't an APU just mean that the CPU and GPU are on the same chip?
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They are still separate subsystems of course, but they are physically together.
@Lalaland Same package.
Yes, the CPUs and the GPU are placed on the same chip and share the same memory, although there is a factor of difference between the various designs. For example, the Xbox One's doesn't really share the memory between the two units, it partitions a special slice for graphics operations, so resources require doublets (no zero copy). Not to mention it uses a DDR3 memory interface for graphics.
03:27
Lol what.
XB1 uses DDR3 for VRAM?
:26613411 Playstation 4 does zero copy, basically, you can exchange memory pointers like cops exchange donuts. It's been a thing for a while, the Playstation 3 had similar functionality which helped exploit the SPEs for graphics processing.
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That's probably a nice feature if you want to use the GPU for minor computations.
I'm going to sleep. Bye :)
03:29
Good night
@GregorMcGregor Trugarez potato.
Who thought it would be a great idea to use DDR3 for graphics.
lol
@ElimGarak It's really taken a while to get to desktop though
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@ElimGarak And of course consoles are one of the primary markets for games, so people optimize for consoles first and PCs second ...
So
03:32
@Nooble Xbox One has 8 GiB of DDR3 interfaced SDRAM (256-bit total interface) which is shared between the CPUs and the GPU, but specially partitioned for GPU access. On the other hand, Playstation 4 uses a GDDR5 memory interface for much higher bandwidth. GDDR5 depends upon memory that has column multiplexers working at twice the frequency, it creates a shitload of latency (but gains bandwidth) and hampers CPU-side processing.
I have only a 1 bit interface but it's p big
#frenchpuns
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@GregorMcGregor Intel's integrated graphics doesn't provide that feature?
@Lalaland Yes they do I was more thinking of discrete GPUs
It took a while to get to the unified address model
@Lalaland With DirectX 12/Vulkan, you can benefit from the UMA-esque nature of it all, but only partially by mapping directly into CPU memory (write back policy). There is still partitioning involved, at least for now.
In retrospect it's kinda baffling how we've been doing GPU for the past decade
03:34
Well, GPU industry is younger than me and I'm a fucking child. The pioneers of the industry are not necessarily really good at it. It's like the Wright brothers, it's only been 20 years.
Hey guys, I have a small C++ question
Sorry to interrupt your conversation
I'm a fucking child
welp
The graphics industry is yet to see its Boeing, Airbus and Lockheed Martin.
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@Andy You can ask whatever you want. People will answer if they want to. No results guaranteed.
I have a Binary Search Tree with each Node having four elements: a string element, a count element, an array of ints, and two pointers point to right and left child. How can I access a particular node based on the string element after the whole tree has been constructed? Basically, I'm trying to update the array of that node.
03:36
@ElimGarak bby let's be the Airbus of GPUs
@ElimGarak How would operating at a higher frequency generate latency?
@GregorMcGregor highly subsidised?
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@ElimGarak Still, it has gotta be able to provide faster interop than competing discrete GPU solutions.
@GregorMcGregor Well, it holds data, but it only has 2 leaves
Is the tree constructed in a way where you can derive the path solely through the string
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03:37
@Andy You go down the left tree if your target string is less than the current, or the right tree if your target string is greater than the current?
@Nooble It would require paragraphs of text to explain, but you can get started on studying stuff like that in the actual specs made available by JEDEC
@LucDanton good one
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With of course the special case of when the target is equal to the current.
But I need to be able to use that current Node, so that way I can update the Node array
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@Nooble My random guess would be that the higher frequency prevents GDDR5 from doing as much work in each step.
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03:40
So there needs to be a pipeline with more steps to perform each memory operation.
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Each additional step adds latency.
Time for nops. One extra hour of it.
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@Andy ? You always have the current Node at every step.
@Lalaland sir what do you mean?
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When you travel down the left tree, that left tree Node becomes your new current Node.
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03:44
Likewise for the right tree.
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@ElimGarak For interest's sake, was that guess about longer pipelines close to the actual reason?
@Lalaland Somewhat. There is a huge differential between the signaling clocks and the operating frequency of the memory core, which has been kept low due to physical limitations of the production process, signal degradation (improving each year that goes by). The data rate is achieved via introducing prefetch buffers, standing at 8n right now with DDR3. This in and of itself generates latency as it focuses on the notion that local data will be likely accessed.
FWIW GPU pipelines are already deeper than CPU ones
I think Core i* has something like 15-20 no? NVIDIA GPUs are around 20-24 or sth
8n prefetch buffers have been retained in both DDR4 and GDDR5 (here, additionally differential signaling has been introduced). How GDDR5 doubles its transfer rates wrt to DDR3 is that it goes double down on the notion of "probable access", think fat texture data and local processing, so it merely doubles the frequency of the column multiplexers. And then you have GPU companies bragging about memory access frequencies in the thousands, while in reality the cores are barely crossing 500 MHz.
One can imagine how the high latency affects general CPU side processing which likes to jump around on the PS4, for example.
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Oh, so it achieves it's higher speeds by pretty much adding a cache in front.
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03:51
Don't we have similar caching issues in CPU-land? With our L1,L2, etc caches?
Prefetch buffers are more intense, though. :D I would recommend reading the DDR# and GDDR# specs, it's really interesting.
But all in all, with no zero copy and low bandwidth, the Xbox One suffers far more. Also, it has 66% of the PS4 graphics processing prowess. I don't think people realize just how much of an upper hand the PS4 has technically. Most feel it is so-so, but that's only because of the lowest common dick style of development and imposed parity.
@GregorMcGregor Yeah, someone needs to hide all the stallin', bby.
Alright, it's November. This is the month of new GPU releases, hopefully.
04:08
pls opencl 2.1 support
You can have 1.2 on OS X ahahah (contains the same digits and a dot)
1.2 on NVIDIA since may also
progress, I guess?
I really don't get their strategy of not wanting to implement ocl
not sleeping after all, @ElimGarak? :p
@melak47 Sleeping sucks. Also, writing this-> to get members because Intellisense borken, then deleting this-> afterwards. :'(
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Personally, I am much more interested in the next Oculus release.
04:11
Oculus Porn
the steam group is invite only, apparently.
I've got an idea how to fix the shitposting on Steam, the new games and stuff. Change the entry fee from $100 to $1000. I swear, Elim just wants to watch the world burn.
so that they have to sell hundreds of copies before they make a buck?
Yup, also a decrease in volume of folks who just want to put crap there, reduced supply, increased demand (and visibility) and people fronting the $1000 really believe in their stuff. :D Nintendo had a $10,000 entry fee for a long time. Just the PS4 & Xbox One devkits are a minimum of $2,500
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What steam group is invite only?
04:18
the ~exclusive~ lounge group
I would even suggest returning the $1000 after the quality assurance fact (if Valve is really serious about it merely ensuring "bona fide intent")
@GregorMcGregor Aren't those creatures really tiny ingame? How tall is that thing to be relatively to-scale?
the golem seems reasonably to scale
the woman is 2-3 times too big though
@ElimGarak wanna be steam friends? <3
04:27
@GregorMcGregor yeah :D
@melak47 Sure thingie, is it melak47 there as well? As soon as I'm done with this shit, I'll send a request thingie
@GregorMcGregor Tall Asura can actually bite more than your ankles
@ElimGarak Melak XLVII
@ElimGarak what shit are you doing?
04:29
@melak47 D3D12_HEAP_FLAGS::D3D12_HEAP_FLAG_ALLOW_ONLY_RT_DS_TEXTURES D:
Helping the API optimize shit and it is like the DX's version of type safety. :D
June 2014, October 2015 :D
@ElimGarak wow. such fidelity, much UI
While Todd Howard speaks about "every button, every blinky light" and then the game has 256x256 textures, we take care that our 2077 keyboards are well defined and backlit. :D lol jk, can't wait to play that shit. inb4 letting idiotic players create emo characters
@ElimGarak they did an official hi-res texture pack for skyrim, who knows ._.
I am not exactly clear on how these random Spanish dudes are playing the game early.
04:46
hello friends.......................:)
whats up guys :D
@ElimGarak guess they are the chosen ones
zing :D
@ElimGarak hm, not as flattering
TBH, it's worse than I expected, but I still think it's going to be really fun. :D
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04:54
@ElimGarak To be fair, the production Fallout 4 needs to run well on a lot more hardware.
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And it needs to support a bunch of different scenes.
@ElimGarak it better be :P
user406009
And it probably spends a good chunk of it's CPU budget on things like gameplay.
Yeah, the PS4 and the Xbox One are going to drag this generation down into the muck. But then again, Bethesda has never really been good at visuals (Gamebryo is still strong with them). The consoles have many CPU cores and like with DX12, can dispatch commands concurrently. :D
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Well, Fallout 4 also has to run on things that are gasp not DX12 capable.
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04:59
The horrors of DX11.
Ah, but DX12 is inspired by console graphics APIs. :P Not the other way around. :P The punchline for DX12 is "console-level efficiency on the PC" :D Xbox One has a variant of DX11.3 and is now moving towards an unified DX12.
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There are PCs which are DX11.
Medium range PCs with DX11 can still outperform next gen consoles due to sheer brute force. :D There are no excuses really, GTA V could be used as a fair comparison point (which ran on both last and current gen consoles) and has a really pretty mouth. :D
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That water rendering on the PS4 is pretty shitty.
Yeah, they mostly apply simple transitive textures (normal data, sometimes displacement) on lakes and rivers. Fools the eye up-close, but from the air, the pattern begins to emerge. :D
05:11
good night, lounge
What time is it at your place?
06:11 :p
Oh, you night owl. :P
isn't it 6 or 7 for you as well? :p
6:11 as well :D but sleeps means no code changes :D
05:13
lol
later then :p
Prepare your ass for destruction in GTA V soon :D
night :D
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Time for me to go to bad. Have fun nocturnal people.
night :D
oops, meant to leave this here: gfycat.com/NaughtyJaggedItaliangreyhound
05:21
:)
05:44
My mum threw a bunch of my stuff out from my parents garage, including my two old heaters. I am feeling horrible because I am a hoarder :p
05:58
also stuff missing from my grocery I bought online yesterday even though they did not charge for those items
online shopping is no go area then ...
 
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07:13
Ow. A whole hour?
is it me or this chat gets more messages per day nowadays than a year ago?
The overall average per day count is 2.283k (4167925 / (5 * 365))
In here it says 2.6k
So I guess so
but how's that 2.6k calculated though?
Recent activity prolly
@AlexM. lol
07:45
@ElimGarak Who's Tomislav Škof?
08:15
@Jefffrey What? :D Some dude on my friend list, we don't exactly know each other. :D Which reminds me, time for a cleanup. :D
Is a server oriented application just a web application and only accessible via IP
Or if course vpn
Or can I just create an administrator version of my app
What am I doing wrong with my planning
08:40
When does YT throw away what it has downloaded for a tab?
Hey, I have a strange error when compiling
pair in std does not name a template type
I was looking at google but only answers with does not name a type show up
any idea what this might be?
had the wrong import, problem solved

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