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18:00
Apple is not very good at computers
Can't believe Halo got its start on a Mac.
Whats good in OpenGL 4.2/4.3?
Compute. Sparse volume textures.
Mocking OSX users
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@rad I am a linux user
18:01
What's the state of games on Linux distros?
@CatPlusPlus I am highly offended
@Mikhail 4.5
well, everybody who's actually interested in playing games is still on Windows, so
Is Steam just yapping about Linux games, or is there some good stuff?
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There are lots of linux games on steam
There are most valve games and a very large amount of indie games
I'm not really a gamer though
18:02
@RadAway Blender's OpenGL guy for Mac ragequit because of how shitty the situation is (bugs, poor support
Whats the use case for a sparse texture?
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Just interested in the graphics APIs for some reason :L
The same one as for sparse anything else?
@Mikhail Acceleration structures for light propagation, reducing the memory footprint.
@CatPlusPlus WHEN THE FUCK WOULD YOU NEED TO LOAD A TEXTURE THAT DOESN'T FIT IN GPU MEMORY
18:03
Sparse tells you all
Uh that's not what sparse things are used for
@Mikhail All the time?
Also texture is just a multidimensional array
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Opengl 4.1+ is basically just more AZDO things I think
Also whenever you need to load a texture that doesn't fit in GPU memory
Dumb question
18:04
FUCK.
I finally rescued my kerbal.. and left behind all the science.
Did your food come back
MegaTexture refers to a texture allocation technique facilitating the use of a single extremely large texture rather than repeating multiple smaller textures. It is featured in Splash Damage's game Enemy Territory: Quake Wars and was developed by id Software former technical director John Carmack. MegaTexture employs a single large texture space for static terrain. The texture is stored on removable media or a computer's hard drive and streamed as needed, allowing large amounts of detail and variation over a large area with comparatively little RAM usage. Depending on the pixel resolution per square...
what are good xplatform audio libraries? specifically things that let me play audio. I see fmod and SDL_audio/mixer are pretty popular. Any other ones you cats know of
There are many uses for sparse textures, but on GPUs, it is pretty much reducing the memory footprint of volume acceleration structures lately, but also allows the lovely filtering with hardware support.
@unordered_meow Yes, MegaTexture was a software predecessor between the notion of hardware tiled resources was introduced.
And with DirectX 12, volume tiled resources because light acceleration structures are big thing nowadays for GI.
ah, fuck it
I will just use the debug toolbar
18:07
@Prismatic Qt is what I use...
Although, some folks still prefer a software solution with some hardware help for tiled resources because tiled resources have some setup overhead. Mostly reading back data for the CPU to process which could be encoded in the software solution on the GPU side.
@Prismatic There's OpenAL but no idea how good
I think OpenAL is desktop only
What are your targets?
@Mikhail Yeah Qt is great but its not permissive. Did you guys know they jacked up the price of their entry level license to $350/mo from $25/mo
so crayzy
18:09
@Prismatic Well, I am at a university, so I just built a static copy and fuck the police
People still go to universities?
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oops I did a Telkitty
@Prismatic Can you just buy it for 1 month, download the source and use it indefinitely?
I thought you all quit school and build the next Instagram and shit.
18:10
@RadAway Everyday, I wake up, take a shower and figure out how to make my Romanian boss more money.
@Mikhail Not legally
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@rad where do you learn all your graphics stuff?
@Ell Physics, SIGGRAPH papers, some old papers from the 60s (yes, that's how old CG is)
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bleh, java.time.Instant can't be infinite
18:12
Shocking
I think Cat Plus Plus is building some social platform which is going to monetize all the hate, sarcasm and disdain in the world much in the same way Instagram monetizes people's narcissism and vanity.
6
yaaaaaaaaaaay SDL updated to have the exact thing I need that wasn't in the previous version
lol social platforms
@CatPlusPlus thats the spirit
sounds like something he would do
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18:14
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 9 days until MGSV
@RadAway 4chan?
@RadAway Gonna be tough competing with Reddit.
I thought 4chan was owned by Reddit's /r/prettyfemalecorpses
Yes, that's a thing. Or something like that.
Don't go there.
And how the hell does that not break some law or something?
is KDevelop good
The is also the nofap subreddit to help cure your porn addiction.
use a text editor, IDE's are for scrubs
If you make VIM into an IDE can it also be a text editor?
Most IDEs double as text editors
I want an English REPL.
man why do I have wayland libs its not like Im using it
also the other day I tried to do stuff with X... I get why people hate it so much
what a shitty library
18:20
@Morwenn why would anyone want to cure that ;)
@Morwenn ironically, it's about circle jerking each others claims of not jerking
have you guys looked at the source for GLFW
its super crispy clean
@Borgleader To waste your time not jerking?
I mean its C so I don't really get some of it but its so nice and clean
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@rad what law would it breach?
18:22
@Morwenn I could make a self deprecating joke, but i dont want to be starred :P
Ell, here's one to get you started, all the way from 1967. A microfacet model introduced all the way back in 1967. First time used in video games, Crysis 2007.
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Lord
I wonder how they tested their theories back then. Some photographs would be nice.
math proofs?
idk
Sometimes I feel that the world would be a better place if you didn't have to pay to read research papers.
18:24
Yeah, but nowadays, researchers can use off-the-shelf electronics to test them and perform measurements
@Prismatic Hahaha ha ha hahah aha no
I can get you any research paper you want on graphics, just ask. No need to pay, got em all locally. Every relevant one.
@CatPlusPlus That's been my experience. Do you have a few examples to the contrary?
The only one that I've come across I couldn't use as an editor for Android Studio
You really haven't seen a real text editor if you think these jokes are it
The problem is the old 50s ones, some CG articles depend on measurements from astrophysics. The phase functions of Henyey used in participating media rendering are based on studying interstellar dust, a paper from the 50s. But you can find it in the Harvard online library if you hold off paying $60 for it.
18:26
VS can't even figure out what newlines it should be inserting
Still
That's odd, I can't even.
But I agree, paying for research papers is terrible. Knowledge should be free. Especially as the original authors don't get shit from those sales.
Eclipse sometimes fails to render text
Haha, I happen to have met the guy who wrote the Java parser in Eclipse.
@Prismatic Yeah.
GLFW needs to be able to make Vulkan windows too, that'd be great.
@Ell Me too.
Is there an easy way to do global illumination?
Someone who's been doing Mie & Rayleigh scattering (participating media, atmospheric rendering) might recognize those names.
Nope. Diffuse GI maybe, but no is for certain. Effort is needed.
@Mikhail What the actual fuck
@Nooble Illuminati
:P
@unordered_meow Lol.
18:32
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Typical reddit
@RadAway cries
Not the kind of reddit I browse
hmm
I don't like effort either
none of the KSP cheats seem to instantly recover a vessel or allow you to really do anything that can do such.
18:33
I don't think anybody here likes effort.
seems odd
@Morwenn s/here //
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I know people who like effort.
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@Mikhail picsofdeadkids
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also exists
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18:34
it is what it says it is
@Nooble It would be hype if GLFW supported Android and iOS
One of my friends recently told me "I'm glad I work in Japan, I work much less here than when I was in school".
I considered doing an Android port but I've been p lazy
I didn't do shit in school. That's why I only have 46 rep on SO. Learn on my mistakes, kids. Don't let life pass you by.
@RadAway If you didn't do shit in school then you'd have more time for writing on SO
18:35
^^^ That
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my beautiful editor
why ST2?
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because CBA to learn how to use Vim in Windows
@elyse omg I want it! Even if I can't program in that weird language
18:36
i mean why not ST3
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no idea
is ST3 still "beta"?
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the download button downloaded ST2
feel like it's been beta for years
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@MarcoA. ST2 with amCoder Gray theme and Monokai Low-Profile Gray colour scheme
18:37
@elyse Literally the same way?
@elyse I guess you already saw this
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No, I didn't, and I couldn't care less about C++ GUI programming.
but it's cool
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Not my problem.
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I don't care.
18:38
then your editor isn't cool </3
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I couldn't care less.
I don't believe you, you're crying and tearing over your keyboard
Looks quite a bit like Visual Studio Code.
@RadAway IIRC they said "we don't plan on making tabs, don't ask for them"
no idea why
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@RadAway lol, "Code Editing. Redefined." looks like Apple
18:40
@RadAway It's more like Visual Studio Code looks like Atom which looks like ST
They're worse than Apple, as Marco mentions.
I use ST3 with the Material theme and a bunch of other plugins.
They do offer opening a bazillion of those side windows.
I found both Atom and VS Code worse at usability than ST
Search for Atom in the transcript for fun Atom facts
18:44
yup, there's one thing that even I was complaining
Apr 29 at 21:42, by milleniumbug
Horrible, Atom editor installs to AppData lolz
That's not even a problem
Aaaaah. Stupid VS. I hate when it is trying to be helpful and guess stuff.
Jun 10 at 9:22, by buttiful buttefly
> Notable Changes
> Atom now opens files larger than 2MB
@elyse Try Visual Studio Code, it's nice.
Wanted to get an old project up to date, but it refuses to change the target platform version.
18:45
why 2MB
Because it can now use 4 MB of RAM.
Their syntax highlighting couldn't handle more than 2MB
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Unless you need tabs.
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@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ what is nice about it?
Hmm...
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18:46
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ can it handle LF?
@elyse It, uh, exists??? maybe?
When having Git repository with submodules, how does one check out so that even submodules get checked out and even recursively?
git clone --recursive
@elyse IDKWLFI
Do I have to do git clone followed by git submodule ...?
@CatPlusPlus Oh!
18:47
A completely unintuitive option I know
Also not mentioned in documentation anywhere
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@CatPlusPlus Jihadis also exist, doesn't make them nice.
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@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ please me bore cryptic
git clone --dowhatiwant
"I don't know what LF is"
You are the one being cryptic
guessing line feed
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18:48
the LF in CRLF
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LF without CR
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I don't know what life is, either.
@CatPlusPlus Yes, actual existence is a very nice feature of modern software.
Also, fuck Star Citizen.
@RadAway Most often a bug really
@elyse No idea what that is still
And I don't know if it handles that either
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Unix line endings.
18:49
How do I even check that?
The entire world line endings, except for people still using Notepad
I just press return and it goes to another line
That's about as far as I care
Notepad is awesome. It has word wrap.
VS doesn't have many more text editing features anyway
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Once in a while I turn my eyes away from the monitor, look outside, and see how beautiful the world is. Then I go back to programming.
18:51
Does Sublime Text have autocompletion and inline documentation?
newlines are a non-issue
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No, they're important in shebangs.
They're very much a compatibility issue
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Ending a shebang line with CRLF breaks it horribly.
Ending any line in a shell script with CRLF breaks them horribly
18:51
Do something proprietary. Piss everyone off.
CRLF belongs in protocols not files
It's not an editor if we don't have something to complain about.
alright.
hacked my persistent save file to teleport the science to another craft on the launchpad.
then recovered that instead.
Or you could've just increased the science counter?
18:52
This I find nice
Or you could've left it as a glorious failure that almost derailed your
space program... And you could boast later how you saved it.
I'm glad they have extra features to make up for the fact they can't write a text editor if their life depended on it
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but then I'd have to figure out how much science my 48 experiments actually were, and I'd get unfair science bonuses for going back to those biomes.
@Puppy lol
@RadAway I actually did save it... I just forgot to take the science with me as well as the Kerbal on the craft.
18:54
@CatPlusPlus Why so much hate?
@Borgleader You posted shader loading code here a long time ago, and I noticed you use a public member id_ with a get() function so you could do shader.id_.get(). What's the benefit of this over a normal getId()?
if KSP's save system was remotely useful I could have simply reloaded and saved the science and the kerbal trivially
You're thinking too much about it
So, how extensible is KSP?
18:54
there's a few mods for it, I don't really know
Can you write code for it any shape or form? I'd like to invent a warp drive in it.
@RadAway yeah you can write C# dlls for plugins
there could already be a mod for that
ISTR something about a mod with an Alcubierre Drive in it
I think there is. probably more than one.
There is at least one or two
18:55
Yes, Alcubierre drive is the one, Alcubierre's solution of the Einstein's field equations. 1994 paper. Has many issues, only mathematically sound. Too bad.
why too bad?
well
personally I think of it as neither here nor there really
if we invent warp drive, great for us.
if we try to invent warp drive and fail, then we've found holes in GR, which could lead to new physics.
so either way, we win by trying to invent a warp drive.
I am afraid of the warp drive. If we let Cat Plus Plus into space, he'll start an interstellar war.
@RadAway Don't worry, it's said that Poland cannot into space.
Hyper-V is nice
Alcubierre's model depends on introducing a negative energy density. Usually a trait of many crazy theories in physics, including the Einstein-Rosen bridge and traversable derivatives. And that in turn requires exotic matter. And for that, we look to the LHC. Which has placed the Higgs between the two supposed predictions, at ~125 GeV. Neither multiverse (140 GeV) nor supersymmetry (multiple estimates, mostly where it won't be, far below 125).
18:59
@RadAway I think Cat might prefer to sleep over starting interstellar war.

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