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7:01 PM
Also, not the philosophical version of multiverse, the dreamy one of infinite universes. Just many universes where the physical constants vary and our universe being the sweetspot for life.
 
If I have an object that I want to make read only for most users I can make it const. But this object also has notifiers for when its properties change. Subscribing to notifications is not a const operation... is there anything I can do outside of using friend to delegate access
 
@RadAway We already have exotic matter. It's not clear if we can actually apply it, it's in the "Just about been proven to actually be producible with X device" stage, but we have it.
 
Yes, that is the question now. Also, dr. White at NASA has been trying to build an interferometer (Michelson-Morley derivative) to detect a warp field. Not much success.
 
if you don't have a warp drive what's the point in detecting a warp field?
there's obviously going to be nothing to find.
 
@Nooble hmm? I did some changes to that "library" recently so i cant really tell you. but afaik right now the only way to get the id is to call get_id(r) where r is an opengl resource (buffer, texture, shader_program, etc)
 
TL;DR shortened. There are a few running experiment theories based on GR (basically using energy-matter equivalence) by creating an extremely sensitive device which creates a strong electric field to try and detect a spacetime distortion of a laser going through the possible warp field (which is basically any device generating a spacetime distortion, no matter of the driving force).
They're looking if it is actually even possible to feasibly create a manual distortion of spacetime.
 
The real one will actually require applicable exotic matter. And if dr. White's theories fail, the energy equivalent of Jupiter's mass. There is a solution, we just have to keep working on it. I shouldn't say failures. They will determine something isn't it. That's a success for itself.
 
@Nooble id_ isnt public, its private but this is a static method, so it can use it directly, i could have called get_id(...) on it, but eh, tomaeto, tomahto
 
There have been raised some dangers for the crew of the starships, but I believe those warnings to be the equivalents of "LHC WILL CREATE A SINGULARITY & EAT THE WORLD" and the "NUCLEAR BOMB WILL IGNITE THE ATMOSPHERE" class. Mostly propagated by religious "scientists" with a rapture fetish.
 
7:09 PM
@Borgleader Ah ok.
Why is Shader a template btw?
 
To be honest, I was expecting an exponential stepping of science in the 21st century. But the discoveries of the 20th century are still owning us. The first 20 years of the 20th century were hella exciting. Birth of quantum mechanics with Lorentz (December 1900), Electrodynamics of moving bodies / SR (1905), GR (1915+) etc.
 
well
 
@Nooble Well it doesn't "need" to be, I could store the stage inside the shader object, but I thought it would be better to have separate types for each shader stage, they're short live anyone once you've initialized the program or pipeline you dont need them anymore.
 
it took 50-100 years for those discoveries to be realized into applications that revolutionized the world.
I would not expect science done today to appear as fully-formed applications tomorrow.
 
That's what I am afraid off, to be the transitional generation. Shit. Just before the grave. With my luck, the exact date of the grave.
 
7:12 PM
I'm sufficiently young that I will see the payoff of science done today.
 
I'm 22-ish. Let's hope cancer doesn't fuck us up.
 
cancer doesn't really concern me
 
@Puppy yea because you're still a puppy :P
 
Note to self: 1048576MB is not a good setting for maximum dynamic memory
 
it's a big problem, but it's also a finite problem.
I think that infectious diseases are more of a problem.
 
7:14 PM
someones being a twat again
 
@TonyTheLion He'll forever be young if he never changes his username.
 
Tw@t, GTA IV, ha. Internet Coffee Shops... Do they still exist?
 
Ell
I think cancer is much worse than infectious diseases
 
@Nooble good way to stay young.
 
@TonyTheLion Mhmm.
 
7:15 PM
@Ell Cancer is a rather picky thing. A good infectious disease can destroy the human species as it is now.
 
there's several reasons why cancer is much less of a concern than infectious diseases.
 
@Ell I'm not sure I liked the sight or thought of Ebola
 
@Ell Depends, I think.
 
Cancer is an individual's problem. Infectious disease is far worse.
Cancer is terrible. But it's not exactly a classic disease. It's your body going full retard.
 
I think that the principal thing about cancer is that it can't evolve over time (as a group). People getting cancer in 2100 will not have a tumour that evolved to resist treatments we use today.
it's simply a question of amassing enough treatments and enough data.
with infectious diseases you have to keep continually inventing new treatments as they evolve to fight back
and they can affect much larger groups of people
 
7:17 PM
Cancer will be resolved in a fashion close to Borg's nanoprobes. It literally needs to be obliterated.
 
@RadAway Thank me in advance :)
 
oh shit mutable public members <3
 
I am a bit paranoid about cancer. Every show I watch, someone has cancer. Mandatory Cancer Patient for Emotional Substance, is it a trope yet?
 
@RadAway tvtropes.org
 
what i would give to find out who is the idiot who keeps flagging random shit
 
7:21 PM
@Borgleader yea same here
 
It doesn't tell you?
 
also what I wouldn't give to get FF to stop crashing on me
 
I understand a genuine usage of privacy on the first slap.
But when a single user ID is a repeat reporter, that is spam/offensive in and of itself.
 
Ell
I worry about myself, not the human race, maybe that's why :P
 
7:22 PM
@TonyTheLion Use wget.
Best browser.
 
@Ell you selfish person :P
 
Google Ultron.
 
@Nooble lol
 
@Nooble Stallman? is that you?
 
Ell
Links is way better than wget
 
7:23 PM
ohh yea links was quite nice
 
I thought about starting a DirectX 12 powered open source browser project called Ultron for Windows. But I'd be lazy to work on it. Maybe if I took Chrome V8 and some other boring boilerplate open source stuff to cover the "good enough" stuff.
 
had to use it when setting up Gentoo
 
Ell
Yeah its nice
 
Optimize memory usage, atrocious animation stuttering and presentation and other stuffs. But getting people onboard for a browser is rather hard. :/
There's Chrome, Opera, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc.
 
@RadAway I strongly advice you against that
 
Ell
7:25 PM
@rad probably better to work on a rendering backend first
Modify chromium or Firefox
 
you'll probably end up modifying lots of stuff
Chrome has tons of engineers and teams maintaining parts of the codebase
 
Yeah, would be too much of a time investment. Really need a hobby, though. Thought about writing a DirectX 12 only engine for folks.
 
exactly, such a forces displacement requires time and money
 
> Really need a hobby, though.
been saying that for the last year
still haven't got a hobby :(
 
@TonyTheLion fucktorio
 
7:27 PM
All I do is work, research or watch sci-fi shows. It's pathetic.
 
ugh no
 
Haven't left the house on non-business in 1.5 years.
 
@RadAway yea pretty much same, work, youtube, reddit, snackchat and the occasional meeting some IRL friend.
 
@TonyTheLion no, no.. IRL friend is out of the context
don't do that again
be coherent
 
sorry :(
I was naughty
lol
 
7:28 PM
I literally don't even like food as I used to.
Last few months, eat once, twice tops a day.
 
@Nooble wow. Such dedication. I remember when I went to college. I sunk all my "life savings" to date as well as two months of student allowance into my first 486 PC
 
@RadAway heh, whereas I'm always hungry
I eat a full meal, not two hours later I'm hungry again.
how does that even happen?
 
@RadAway You could lend me a hand with Wide.
@TonyTheLion Different metabolisms and habits. It's not a problem unless you find yourself gaining too much weight or nutritional imbalances.
 
> nutritional imbalances
how do you even find that out?
 
@TonyTheLion The more you eat, the more hungry you get.
 
7:30 PM
well, bad shit happens to you, you visit the doctor, he tells you that I dunno, you've got scurvy.
 
Generally speaking, the less I eat, the less I want to eat.
 
@Puppy Oh, it's on GitHub. I'll check it out!
@Morwenn Yes!
That's what I noticed. I don't feel like eating, before there was this constant hunger.
 
well
 
Which is good, I was hella fat.
 
Puppy had a terrible stomach condition that made him unable to eat nearly anything, so Puppy has some experience with eating very little
and I tell ya, eating or not is mostly about habit and opportunity rather than actual need to eat.
 
7:32 PM
yea
I remember your sufferings
sucked
 
can you believe that Puppy subsided for an entire month on nothing but one or two pieces of toast a day?
that's minimal calorie intake.
 
Also, what would be the benefit of paying for private repos on GitHub vs BitBucket free?
 
@sehe 16MHz of speed.
 
Company wise, we maintain it on GitHub due to user limits, but for a private person?
 
7:33 PM
@RadAway Everyone uses GH. Use GH.
 
@Nooble Mmm. My 286 had 12Mhz (Turbo mode). I'm p. sure my 486 was faster, but I don't remember
 
@RadAway The real question is « why do you need private repos? ».
 
Private repos are for when you're scared that people will see your bad code.
 
Nobody's going to use your code anyway, be it public or not.
 
Ell
Since being on a diet I am hungry less often
 
7:34 PM
@Morwenn Private bits. NDA stuff.
 
@Morwenn To defend the usage of bitbucket, of course
 
@Prismatic oh my, that is cool
 
@sehe Didn't the Turbo button turn Turbo off?
 
@Mikhail No, not on our 286
 
@RadAway The GitHub UX is superior I find, but I don't really have any private repos so
 
7:37 PM
Just subscribed to 10 private repos, 12 bucks. Not that expensive. Will give it a spin for a month.
 
user1804599
can logistic robots seriously carry only one item
 
Only when you're a badlet and don't upgrade
 
user1804599
oh there's technologies to increase it
 
The problem with public is that a lot of the stuff I work is under NDA (not self-imposed, by Microsoft, Khronos and IHVs). Nobody would probably see it, but it is still breaching NDA. Especially as NDAs are worded so vaguely.
 
Pfffft.
Give me Vulkan drivers.
 
7:40 PM
Also, fun fact, receiving experimental hardware, you have to sign off that you won't visualize child pornography with it (actual clause)
 
I'll pay you $0.50.
 
@RadAway I'd imagine that's in the terms for any hardware, no?
 
@RadAway refuse it :)
 
Yeah, given that it is against the law, I don't get the explicit statement.
 
maybe not everywhere that they ship the hardware to.
 
7:41 PM
...or not using iTunes for nuclear power plants
 
@Puppy Good point.
I want experimental hardware too :(
 
Well, there are ethnic groups in my country which have 13 year old couples with children. But legally, it's against the law.
 
@RadAway Where do you live.
 
hmm
 
inb4 UK
 
7:43 PM
ISTR that in this country, it's legal to have sex but not legal to record yourself doing it at 16 and 17
 
@Nooble If I told you that, I'd reveal my identity. There is exactly one person in my country in this field.
 
@Nooble get on Mumble.
 
@RadAway Well that already revealed some things about you ;p
 
@nabijaczleweli I'm on mobile, one sec.
 
Shit.
 
7:43 PM
@Puppy That's bad news for gopro and snapchat
 
gotta do better
 
@RadAway I see...
Well I won't try to figure it out because I'll respect your privacy here.
 
Formally, actually. I am sure there is some kid that's on his way up, there always is. I hope there is.
 
hmm
you know, I don't want to figure it out because I wouldn't want you trying to figure shit out about me
but I'm actually super tempted because it feels like a bit of a challenge
 
I wouldn't take any of these hints as remotely accurate though
 
7:45 PM
Yup, that's the good thing about anon. Ego is taken out of the equation, difficult to validate.
Also, the opportunity to ragequit.
 
er mah gerd dude I'm an amazing US marine with 999999 headshots and I'mma blow up your house with an IED
kthxbai
 
But I don't think I've said anything particularly impressive. I live among goat fuckers and I don't fuck goats is pretty much my statement in a nutshell.
 
I can see how you'd want to remain anonymous
 
it sounds like a region in which not-goat-fucking would be criminalized
 
Many such regions would criminalize calling pious men goat-fuckers
 
7:48 PM
And I'd like to say goat fucking is an exaggeration, but a former neighbor copulated with a goat.
And the goat clenched. And he required medical assistance.
 
eh
there's people like that everywhere
just not always as publically
@RadAway I don't know what that means.
 
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@Puppy Females have an ability to trap a penis when they are startled. Happens to humans too.
 
oh dear
 
7:49 PM
You can see dogs on the street sometimes, walking attached to each other.
 
I thought that was a male dog thing
 
It's rare, but it happens. Can't be pleasant. I am not exactly sure why the penis doesn't go back to its flaccid state.
My neighbor's bitch got stuck and the idiots tried to separate them with a stick. God, dumbasses.
(bitch as in female dog)
Speaking of dogs, why do some dogs hump legs?
 
i thought it was an attempt to show dominance?
(disclaimer: i know practically nothing about dogs)
 
Penis captivus is a rare occurrence in intercourse when the muscles in the vagina clamp down on the penis much more firmly than usual (a form of vaginismus), making it impossible for the penis to withdraw from the vagina. According to a 1979 article in the British Medical Journal, this condition was unknown in the twentieth century, but a subsequent letter to the same journal reported an apparent case of penis captivus in 1947. Penis captivus should not be confused with vaginismus, though a relation between the supposed event of penis captivus and the occurrence of vaginismus is assumed in the...
Not sure if penis captivus or vaginismus, one of the two. Seems really rare, so you have to be pretty unlucky.
Why does Visual Studio automatically roll back my changing of project settings, even in raw form? There is definitely the SDK I reference, it keeps going back to 8.1
 
@RadAway I don't think this is possible.
I mean I don't see how it could work.
 
7:58 PM
It is contested, a bit still. But I've seen dogs get stuck. And they had to give the goat an injection to release the man's penis.
 
> the goat
> the man
 
As for humans, I've only heard reports and some references in the said journals.
I couldn't see exactly up close as my dad made us go back inside. The guy was arrested on indecent exposure subsequently.
 
How the hell do you trap a cylindrical object.
 
by gripping it
 
The only way to find out is to fuck and startle a goat. You can probably startle a goat by fucking it.
3
 
8:01 PM
Gripping it hard
 
@unordered_meow Yeah but...
 
@Nooble It's a similar principle to the one used in a gun-type nuclear weapon.
 
You know what nevermind. I lack experience in this field.
 
A uranium-235 cylinder is shoved inside a hollow one, to achieve supercritical mass.
Only 1.4% was converted into destructive energy, whether mechanical or EM (including thermal).
Though, the guntype was subsequently replaced with the implosion device introduced with the Fat Man (which is used in today's multistage thermonuclear warheads). A conventional weapon crushes it on the inner layers to achieve supercritical mass.
But that's irrelevant.
 
8:09 PM
I am curious, what mindset do you need to think "I'd hit that." on observing a goat in your field of view?
 
@RadAway I guess that you can always push the limits of open-mindedness.
 
user1804599
@Morwenn Are you a girl or not? I forgot.
 
user1804599
Rhyme unintentional.
 
More so, why are ex girlfriends always hotter after a break up? My body is confused.
 
@elyse It doesn't realy matter.
 
user1804599
8:11 PM
ok!
 
We need more female presence in these circles. I've heard there have been more female programmers these past few years, but I still haven't met one locally.
 
@Nooble in case it can be useful to you i made a repo with the current state of the library
 
Why does the game jam on September 5th last for a few hours only? Isn't 48 hours a better opportunity to create less shitty stuff?
 
@Borgleader Thanks :D
@RadAway The people voted.
 
Oh.
 
8:14 PM
@Morwenn Sure it matters.
 
@wilx No, not really.
 
Sometimes, I take a tablet with me on the toilet and shit for 45 minutes. So, few hours is really tight.
 
@Morwenn Yes, really.
 
5 hours is probably too long for Lounge attention span anyway
 
@wilx How does it even matter to you?
 
8:15 PM
@RadAway lol, you are on a good road to getting piles.
 
I am not ashamed to admit it, many great breakthroughs and research papers were discovered on the toilet.
 
@Morwenn It matters in a discussion about goats and "I'd hit that." :)
 
@RadAway but that method also produced tons of crap
 
It never matters
 
@wilx You mean you'd hit a female goat and not a male one?
 
8:18 PM
No need to get defensive. We all appreciate and respect our female colleagues.
What is this, LoL voice chat?
 
i love meymeys
 
I've just noticed that pretty much every rendering researcher I know is on Twitter. The only ones who are not there are dead.
Man, I don't like social stuff too much.
 
@RadAway yea the shit you can figure out on the toilet
 
I think I've found my identity on SO, finally. Just switched to it. From now on, and after the cache is updated, I'll be Elim Garak. Vote going once, vote going twice, and sold.
Plain, simple Garak.
 
8:25 PM
Who the hell is that.
 
:(
 
Might as well Geretkal.
 
You'll always be RadAway to me <3
 
8:29 PM
@Nooble I don't know why I always think you're in California
 
@TonyTheLion New York > California.
Right @ʞɔᴉN.
 
New York state? Or NYC?
 
@TonyTheLion most of the time, the perfect response for that person last week
 
@Nooble I've never been to NYC, but I have been to Cali
 
New York state is cool, but NYC is a bit hardcore for me.
 
8:30 PM
so can't judge really
 
@TonyTheLion Hope you visited the eses in South Central and capped some fools.
 
@RadAway NYC.
 
@RadAway Stayed away from South Central.
 
South Central for life.
My country has half the police cars that passed in that video.
 
@RadAway What's hardcore about it?
 
8:33 PM
Social anxiety. 8 million people.
Doesn't mix.
@TonyTheLion Is South Central still advertised as dangerous? Or has it got better?
 
Nothing as dangerous as crazy people in the subway.
Nowhere to run.
And there I am, a small koala.
 
@RadAway AFAIK its got better in most places once considered "dangerous" in LA. But my LA friends said you'd still have to be careful at night in some areas. Like East LA, where a lot of the gangs are from.
 
I don't like any city where such a response is necessary.
 
Also I wouldn't go alone downtown LA at night
too many bums
@RadAway honestly you can see that here in London too
 
Seems a bit like an overkill, but I guess a show of force is good from time to time, even if unnecessary.
 
8:38 PM
@RadAway That's nothing.
NYPD > LAPD.
 
I think in America cops are scared people might have guns
so they turn up in numbers to overcome that
 
Haha I hear sirens now IRL.
 
@Nooble Do they still run those 9/11 drills to determine fastest paths for response units? Like 50 cars or something?
 
Thought it was the video.
 
@TonyTheLion Correction: in a situation like that, they pretty much know that people will have guns. Of course, they also know half the guns will be ones that are already illegal, even here in the US.
 
8:40 PM
@RadAway Not that I've seen.
 
I wanted to be a homicide detective for some time, but my country is boring.
 
@JerryCoffin yea
 
I am surprised detective units respond to gang shootings, at least one vehicle in each such response.
 
There's practically no crime where I live.
 
Usually serious shootouts are citywide callouts.
This was a thing in NYC in the 2000s, not sure if anymore, surge drills:
 
8:44 PM
I saw like a parade of five police cars pass my flat here just the other day.
 
Responding or just flaunting?
 
@TonyTheLion That's a parade?
 
@RadAway responding
@Nooble for the neighborhood I live it is.
 
These past few days, I am wondering what is going to supersede 9/11. Must be a terrifying prospect to have a daily job contemplating that and being responsible for failing to stop it. I think the FBI is primary on the Counterterrorism front in the US, civilian wise.
And the various subgroups of the DHS.
A little terrified of someone detonating a dirty bomb. Pretty sure they won't get their hands on a nuclear device.
 
honestly the prospect of another 9/11 itself does not scare me in the slightest.
the real problem was the reaction to it
 
8:49 PM
> you guys hungry ??? lets go !!!
 
and it seems to me like many people didn't properly learn their lessons
 
Why are metric collectors so universally terrible
 
The response would be a shitstorm, definitely. But somehow, the terrorists have become braindead. Now they concentrate on destroying their own countries.
Can't believe once they were once at the top of scientific research, the source of it.
 
we had more than our fair share in those situations after the world wars started by us
personally I think it's nothing more than evolution
our (popular) religion is older than Islam, so most of the idiotic warmongers died hundreds or thousands of years ago
we already fought massive world wars so we learned better than to start another
 
Yup
I am curious, though, why are Russians left alone. They are right up there.
 
8:53 PM
eventually the people in Islamic countries will be sick of war, disease and poverty all the time
@RadAway If by "left alone" you mean "we're crashing their economy hardcore"
 
Ah, not by us, by the goat fuckers.
 
ah.
 
I haven't heard of a single terrorist attack there.
 
because they lost the Cold War so they're not seen as powerful anymore.
@RadAway Happens
 
keybase-installer just crashed with "Error: TEMP didn't end in \Temp"
 
8:55 PM
A lot of programmers have a disease that prevents them from handling errors.
Some create errors where none exist, etc.
 
WTF keybase-installer
It just tried to concatenate $HOME with $TEMP
 
@RadAway some also have a disease that prevents them writing decent code :P
 
Jul 20 at 17:24, by Martin James
@JerryCoffin I am destined for a cold, lonely corner of a country cemetery, with a gravestone inscribed 'This was one exception he couldn't catch'.
 
Also, I think it is fascinating just how many people consider themselves programmers today. I've been playing a guitar since 2005. I am still pretty sure I'm not a musician.
 
I get paid to write code; that makes me a professional developer.
 
8:59 PM
Yup.
 

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