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13:00
@Ell grr
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I get the option to put down 20% lump per year. theoretically I can have my mortgage paid off in 5 years. more likely 10.
nice
I'm too poor for that :( atm I can't really afford any overpayments which sucks
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 17.34: dead
I got a good rate though so
what are rates like out there?
13:02
3-6% ish
on £100-200k ish
I got 5 year fixed 2.6%
2013 3.59% fixed for 3 years on £120k ish - it was a good find
yea I just bought mine. still waiting to move in :D
every day my appt gets shittier
if I'd overpaid like I wanted to then come 2016 I could have had it down to ~2% just nominally
:(
how do banks get created I mean I figure that most of their income comes from interest
so they have to have lots of money to start with
13:03
@AlexM. basically
their income comes from investments with your money
@AlexM. Banks are like galaxies - they pretty much just form and unform from other banks nowadays
@rlemon whooo. How big
But there were some lucky explosions back in the day that spontaneously formed banks from huge wads of cash
@BartekBanachewicz ~1800sqft
decent sized yard for my city. not huge, but not a sliver.
13:04
@R.MartinhoFernandes well I disagree with you, it's what you say not the way you say it. You want to talk about communication, well I think communication is about relating a 'meaning' first and foremost. Now implying someone is either and idiot or a cunt is probably not an effective means of communication, but that's another matter.
@rlemon pretty big
theoretically you don't need a huge cash injection to start a bank, but you wouldn't be able to sell loans without it. you could run just current accounts for a while and try to make a bit of money on investing customer money, enough to start opening up some loans and whatnot (cos that's where the real cash is)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yep that's what I was thinking, without lots of money you can't really afford many clients
Bill Gates could start a bank if he wanted I guess
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dived right into share market a few months after the share market crashed 50%, then got me & my parents into a million mortgage loans (2 properties) less than 3 years after the GFC which was caused by sub prime loans. Those were the right decisions, we made half a million in total because of those decisions. Yes, leverage ... at the right time. Have a finance prograd degree and being top 1 percent in maths surely helps.
18 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
This attitude that others are at fault for my own words is not conducive to decent conversation, especially when coupled with the attitude that others are at fault for their own words.
13:05
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are lows that require minimum capital, which is pretty huge
And with that I'll appreciate if you leave me be.
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. take a loan from another bank :P
@BartekBanachewicz for jsut me and the little lady, yea. more than enough.
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> if surcharge.period.type == 2:
user1804599
wtf magic numbers
13:06
hahaha registered a custom email for my doman
@chmod711telkitty I have no idea what you just said but it sounded clever
Xeo
Xeo
@rightfold wtfagic number.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think she's a math genius or something.
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There even is an enum for this.
13:08
time to refactor my wrapper
this was such a great experience :'(
nothing I did here I knew before
@R.MartinhoFernandes or something
it really feels good
€40 per year from google btw
Alex put your avatar back man I don't recognise you
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I will translate: "I did some smart suff and then we made half a million in total because of those decisions. bla bla bla"
lol €40/yr for an email address
13:09
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but the old avatar was old
thanks @khajvah
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Your architecture is bad and you should feel bad. Decouple parsing from evaluation. — rightfold 30 secs ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not that much vOv
@BartekBanachewicz huh? you has domain, you has email :\
13:10
I guess my budget can take it
@thecoshman um, no?
or you mean you sorted out someone to host it for you
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
€40 per year from google btw
@BartekBanachewicz there's nothing to 'register', well, maybe dns
hi all. i'm having trouble initializing an IE object instead of a webbrowser option in my mfc application. what differs in their creation when using CHtmlView?
55 secs ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
lol €40/yr for an email address
13:10
It's not maths unfortunately - you have to be able to do maths. It's the economics/finance knowledge. Commercial & engineering combined degrees is a very good thing to have.
@BartekBanachewicz lol, I'll keep my €40 thanks
> ie
@thecoshman IDGI either
@thecoshman uh then do?
@thecoshman I made google my mail provider under that domain
You can get email cheaper, perhaps even "free"
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What's with all the MFC weirdos today?
13:11
can you also get a custom TLD for your email address?
Buy domain for £8.99/yr, host mail yourself for free, and lots of other stuff too, massively profit
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Is university X teaching MFC?
13:12
@LightnessRacesinOrbit host mail yourself Aahahahahah @Cat come here
@LightnessRacesinOrbit to be fair, it's a total paint in the arse
there's a laugh going on
I only did it to play around with that shit
yeah fucken hilarious
so for how many years have you been hosting your own mail
13:13
@thecoshman shrug not really. install postfix, spamassassin, dovecot, denyhosts. write desired addr into config file. done.
how much is a tld?
@BartekBanachewicz since I got my domain, no idea how long that's been
I don't use it though
@BartekBanachewicz Eight happy years.
@BartekBanachewicz what's up with hosting it yourself?
@BartekBanachewicz For how many years have you been paying €40/yr for one email address?
@khajvah you have to host it yourself, for one
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 0 so far
13:14
Ah, I get it! The problem with hosting your own email account is that you have to host your own email account. Now why didn't I think of that...
@LightnessRacesinOrbit vOv I got side tracked with some encrypted file system shit for it... because I could
@BartekBanachewicz setting up a server takes a couple of hours
I was meaning to set up email on my vhost, but couldn't be arsed right now
@Nisk REDACTED DUE TO PREDICTED HYPOCRITICAL FLAGS
hahaha called it
@khajvah how many? 10?
13:15
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you so clever
@BartekBanachewicz One.
@Nisk Just observant.
@BartekBanachewicz A server
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't know how to set up a server.
@khajvah how many hours
@BartekBanachewicz o_0
@BartekBanachewicz Right, so you think it's hilarious that I've hosted my own email account for next to nothing for eight years ... because you don't know how to set up a server??
13:16
I suggest it would take me around 10 to look around, read about it all and properly configure it
@BartekBanachewicz 10 is fine
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Being entirely fair, I think it would be hilarious for me to do it
@BartekBanachewicz :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he's scared of linux don't forget
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Given that she was the one that introduces us to the genius of Miles Mathis (chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=16337879#16337879), she is definitely a math genius.
13:16
scarred of lonix
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd be more impressed if she were Miles Mathis.
(If you don't know/remember Miles Mathis, here's a quick reminder: milesmathis.com/pi3.html)
any tosspot can share an URL
@khajvah then I'd rather work overtime at work. The same amount of time spent but I'd actually earn money this way
@LightnessRacesinOrbit as you're often kind to demonstrate,
@R.MartinhoFernandes wait what
1 hour ago, by Nisk
@LightnessRacesinOrbit less of that toxic behaviour
13:18
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's awesome. milesmathis.com/pi2.html
> Abstract: I show that in kinematic situations, π is 4.
@BartekBanachewicz forgetting the fact that spending 10 hours on configuration is better financially than paying for one whole your life, there is one more benefit. You will learn how to configure a server.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if I had the free time you do, I would bother linking to "prove you wrong" - but frankly don't care. Sad that you seem to.
sorry, linking to prove you're a hypo
@khajvah I doubt this knowledge will come helpful ever again, so the benefit is discussable
> First of all, if we click on R. Dowdall, we find this is his only review at Amazon. That is the sign of a troll.
rofl
also, there's also maintenance
maintenance of services isn't free you know
13:20
@BartekBanachewicz Basic knowledge of system administration is useful
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a trove of hilarious crackpottery.
@khajvah properly setting up and securing a mail server is hardly "basic" knowledge
what about backups
what about data store
what about spam filters
13:20
@BartekBanachewicz It is
(Though when telkitty linked it she did it to back a point, not to laugh)
@BartekBanachewicz two hard drives
In Soviet Russia, spam filters YOU
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a joke, right?
@khajvah wait you also mean hosting a physical server?
@CatPlusPlus where are you
13:21
@thecoshman ooh
TBF, I could host a physical server, but dunno, for unimportant stuff
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't know. If so, it's a very elaborate one.
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
mail is something I'd leave to professionals
I honestly think it's not a joke.
13:22
@BartekBanachewicz I think what you're missing is that the rest of us are professionals.
Ell
Ell
what's so hard about hosting mail for one person?
@BartekBanachewicz it's fairly trivial to be fair.
@BartekBanachewicz If you host it on amazon or somewhere like that, you don't need to care about backups
@LightnessRacesinOrbit who can't figure out js events
having your own, "professional" email acount that doesn't work or sends spam is missing the point
13:22
hahahaha
dafuq
@khajvah and how much do you pay for that amazon instance?
@BartekBanachewicz $0
TIL you need a €40/yr email account from Google so that your account doesn't "send spam"
per month
Ell
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> enforce a set of regulations
13:23
@BartekBanachewicz dude, you really are blowing it well out of proportion. The only reason I'd lean on a service is if I was having to cope with big load.
It's a one-line configuration option, enabled by default, to block SMTP relaying from arbitrary hosts.
That's it.
No spam [out].
@BartekBanachewicz just read a few guides, it's easy to setup.
seriously, I don't care that much
Yes I can see that
perhaps you enjoy setting up mail servers as a hobby
13:23
It is interesting
I'm happy for that because it means I can just pay for it
we square?
you're a square
@BartekBanachewicz I enjoyed working through the process once.
but congratulations anyway on your happiness :)
bah, all of these happy people.
13:24
Cheers & hth. from Moscow
@rlemon :)
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. bartek@braket.🍌
@Xeo lol
I own motherfucking.codes -- I should setup an email service.
is that possible actually, can you do unicode in urls
13:25
@Xeo maan
🍌@🍌.🍌
@Xeo where's that pile of shit unicode?
@AlexM. of course
dunno if in emails too though
emails aren't URLs.... right?
@AlexM. yes, but I'm not sure if TLDs will be granted with random emoji
13:26
@BartekBanachewicz they are with the proper protocol.
@BartekBanachewicz from what I recall of seeing email validating regex, it's 'ascii' characters...
@rlemon nice domain
@rlemon I call bullshit
I dunno I have just one domain
I could perhaps buy aliases.
@thecoshman motherfucking.codes orly?
13:27
but otherwise don't feel much need for fancy names
Punycode is a way to represent Unicode with the limited character subset of ASCII supported by the Domain Name System. For example "münchen" (German name for the city of Munich) would be encoded as "mnchen-3ya". Punycode is intended for the encoding of labels in the Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) framework, such that these domain names may be represented in the ASCII character set allowed in the Domain Name System of the Internet. The encoding syntax is defined in IETF document RFC 3492. The IDNA methodology encodes only select label components of domain names with a procedure...
@BartekBanachewicz what do you use it for?
@rlemon I take back my bullshit
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@Nisk my blog, and, since today, email.
13:28
@R.MartinhoFernandes not really the same though
How not? It's exactly how such things work.
@BartekBanachewicz instead of aliases some google ads might serve better
lol wut
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not really unicode in the URL, or does it work to convert both ways?
13:29
@thecoshman .xn--mi8h and .🍌 are exactly the same TLD.
@BartekBanachewicz well the idea is to get more traffic to the site, by making it easier to find using multiple aliases, no?
yay overtime this weekend
cash cash cash
@Nisk I was thinking more about preventing hijacks
@BartekBanachewicz You're going to need it to pay for that email account.
ten minutes a day is spent paying for your email :D
^ made up numbers.
@BartekBanachewicz ah well then. Not sure how that will help though.
13:30
@rlemon YES PLZ
40 euros is like 10 beers
@khajvah 10 bad beers
how dare you give it to google
Ell
Ell
when is darkmail done man
@LightnessRacesinOrbit still better than a server at google
13:31
the only valid money to edible stuff conversion is money to pizza
@khajvah More like 40 beers
4 euros a beer?! jesus.
how many pizzas == 40 eur
I pay like $2.90 for a premium bottle from the liquor store.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 10 good beers actually
13:31
@khajvah nope
€5+ in Ireland
beer here is $1.50 or so
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh you live in UK
at the bar I can understand.
13:32
a bottle of Guinness is $2
all beer at the bar is crazy expensive.
@AlexM. same in here
£3.30 a pint for a decent beer
£5 a pint for some shitty pisswater in town
Ell
Ell
what do you count as "decent"?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what do you pay not at a pub?
13:32
@Ell "not indecent"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I love how you can't get over it :). I've realized I can pay for convenience not that long ago, actually
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, at pub
@rlemon heh like 20p a can (jokes (sort of))
Ell
Ell
gimme an example fool
I like Murphy's Irish Stout more than Guinness but it's so rare :(
13:32
when I was 18 I also thought "why pay for things you can do yourself"
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Liquorice!
@milleniumbug of course
I only saw Murphy's once at Auchan and it was like $4 a can
@BartekBanachewicz I did that when I was first earning enough to. I honestly wish I hadn't now :(
it took a more busy life and more cash in my account to realize I can afford convenience
13:33
@LightnessRacesinOrbit where are you from? Poland?
@rlemon I am actually half Polish... which is why I'm only half as dickish as Cat or Bartek :P
lol
@AlexM. There is pub in here that serve that but it costs like $5 a pint
Żywiec is one of my favourite beers.
13:33
@khajvah probably because it's so damn good
Convenience is for wusses.
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@rlemon come to Gdańsk sometime and I'll take you on a tour for the local ones
tyskie is also quite nice
@BartekBanachewicz lol did you just try to insult me by my being half your "race"?
your women (from experience) are all batshit crazy.
13:34
I might visit Katowice
bartekshit insane :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes watch out, that's poisoning the conversation.
@rlemon those are the most well-known exports I suppose, but the local ones from small breweries are imho much better
SHIT BITCH FUCK CUNT
13:34
@Nisk Drop it.
also tyskie is hellishly expensive outside Poland
@BartekBanachewicz got any names?
I might be able to find it
we import a lot
@milleniumbug what?
@milleniumbug I sense annoyance in your tone
@BartekBanachewicz $2.90 a bottle here
13:35
@BartekBanachewicz I do like Tyskie
@rlemon my fav one is Valkiria, but I am 99.9% sure it's not going outside the country
@AlexM. I felt a great disturba
no fuck it I can't be arsed to type it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Didn't call you :P
are there any Witcher beers in Poland?
@milleniumbug MAYBE YOU DID
13:35
@rlemon $0.78 here, after conversion
Creemore and Baus are both great beers from Ontario, Canada.
if you can ever find them
I recommend trying
@rlemon Dude, I've told you about this before. Don't assume an American audience!
It's "Ontario, Canada, USA."
gtfo
rlemon is so toxic and bitter
GET IT??
bitter lemon?????
the ramen these guys make looks good
it will look worse once delivered to my apartment but there you go
13:37
I'm sour af
Beer is between $0.5549 and $2.2197 (not at the pub), or between $1.3873 and $3.3295 (at the pub) (after currency conversion)
Lemon peel is actually a bit sweet.
I like it.
who tf eats lemon peel
inb4 other than robot
I've never had the rind
13:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooh
@milleniumbug dude how many decimals do you normally use when dealing with prices
@AlexM. Tyskie is 5dB here
5 decibels isn't that much
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ontario, Canada, USA, wrong side of the pond.
I suppose that "joke" only works if you lot do the same IRTA as I did
13:39
are you sure you are not mistaken?
I mean how can you not like local beers like that
5 decibels is enough for my neighbor to consider it noise and complain to me
(I hope you've seen the movie)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I eat orange peels too, but they're rather bitter.
@R.MartinhoFernandes everything is a bit sweet, for some level of 'bit'
13:39
@rlemon yeah it's cheap
the etiquettes are art on their own in most of cases
@AlexM. I doubt that
@thecoshman that's where the phrase "bittersweet" comes from
@R.MartinhoFernandes you must be one of those nutters who doesn't peel his banana
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes it was a joke
> American India Pale Ale
@AlexM. I KNOW
13:40
@rlemon Banana peels are are too fibrous. Don't like 'em.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's bitter as fuck
TIL about "American India"
@BartekBanachewicz suitable :P
the most bitter beer I've ever tasted
hop bot is the most bitter beer I've ever had
but the crazy woman got me to the point where I responded with "do whatever you want, you're boring me" to "STOP MAKING FOOTSTEPS I CANT SLEEP ILL CALL THE POLICE" a couple of days ago
13:40
hell, I even have a photo drinking it on Fb
and I really enjoy it
I bought it because there is a robot on the can.
oh no not the bitter beers
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Like IPA, but shit
7.9% beer
and has a robot on it
@AlexM. tbf if it's true I'd really hate that
13:41
win/win
Robots best everything.
@BartekBanachewicz HIPSTER!
13:41
Is that a wine glass?
beer in a wine glass?
heathen!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit back when I moved in the apartment had serious issues with the plumbing
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, yes it is, but he'll deny it
Glass police on the scene.
@R.MartinhoFernandes had to add some dramatism to the photo
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13:41
@BartekBanachewicz I always thought "why bother doing anything when you can pay others to do it for you?"
and twice she had water drop down in her bathroom because of it
Beer is best served in more beer
@thecoshman seriously how many years does it take for a regular pirate to realize I'm a hipster
I think she hates me because of it for some reason
the footsteps thing only happened this year
I think she wants to argue with me and now that the pipes are properly fixed there's no other reason to lol
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't it a source of inspiration?
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13:42
Think outside the box!
@BartekBanachewicz I've been saying it from the start, someone with tolerance to prove things with chat search can proev it
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@BartekBanachewicz You're really ugly.
¬_¬ I really wish chat a CLI interface
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@thecoshman lynx
13:43
maybe a userscript could tart it up enough for me
@rlemon @R.M I can assure you though that now I've been given a set of fine beer glasses for my bday, I'll stick to proper ways of enjoying beer
@thecoshman It's harder to chat search your things because you need to remember the exact typos :D
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ducks
@rightfold ergh, I'm not that desperate
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahaha
@R.MartinhoFernandes where?
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13:43
@thecoshman Launch<Cat>
@thecoshman telnet
@R.MartinhoFernandes you make that sound like there is some sort of logic to them
@rlemon is that a 0.33l
ITT thecoshman's entire thing is just an elaborate obfuscation technique to fool the rozzas
@BartekBanachewicz short can, first pic I could find.
comes in tall-boys
13:45
@AlexM. How do you know your footsteps aren't driving her mad?
@rlemon almost tempted to flag that
I tried to find a picture of me with a can, instead found a picture of pizza.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fock the pulice!
@rlemon me is satisfied
huh that looks tasty
@LightnessRacesinOrbit get your mind out of the gutter.
13:46
I want a fucking pizza
¬_¬ not a accident
@rlemon REDACTED DUE TO PREDICTED FLAGS
@rlemon dat cutter
so while we're at servers
13:47
I feel like we're all a big happy family today. I think Nisk brought us together. <3
and you're so brilliant guys
can I take one of my subdomains and just point it to an IP?
what type of record should be used for that?
I abandoned JS for you folks.
(my main domain is hooked up to github)
@BartekBanachewicz
@BartekBanachewicz A
13:48
Or AAAA for IPv6.
@rlemon ugh peppers >.<
gf likes em.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because nothing changed in my routine in the past 3 years
I'm on the fence.
but she only complains now
plus, she looks mad, is old and lives together with a dog
13:49
@AlexM. Being driven mad takes a while.
A mydomain.com GithubDNS
A mycustomsub.mydomain.com myCustomIp
so that will work?
@AlexM. walk in a rhythm, at least give her some sweet bass lines
@AlexM. ok :)
@AlexM. case closed
@BartekBanachewicz ya
don't forget your trailing .
shit I forgot to ask my ISP about a static IP
13:52
Well I suppose I'll do it when they send in the technician
@R.MartinhoFernandes they state it's "on demand"
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@fredoverflow nice username
I don't think you have to pay extra for it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit umm?
@BartekBanachewicz best get demanding
@BartekBanachewicz "umm" what?
13:53
@fredoverflow JavaSuck lol
Xeo
Xeo
Hm. Reading about static_vector in Boost: "Linear time insertion and removal of elements at the beginning or in the middle. " - shouldn't it be possible to enable constant time insertion and removal at the beginning by making it a kind of ringbuffer?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what trailing dot? I'm not aware of that being needed.
Xeo
Xeo
Though I guess you lose random access through pointers with that
@BartekBanachewicz noob
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The notation he posted is not that anyway.
13:53
> In the zone file, host names that do not end in a period are relative to the zone origin. For example, in the example above, www refers to www.example.com, and example.com. is example.com, and not example.com.example.com. Names ending with a full stop (or point) are said to be fully qualified domain names.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meh the lady on the phone was super nice, it's a smaller-ish provider that does custom corporate links and for some reason also regular customers
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's fine; I just said don't forget it. Good thing too since evidently he wasn't aware of it
Some of those fancy web interfaces don't require it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh
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@fredoverflow target Mill VM.
13:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh
I dunno what he's using to change his thing.
@R.MartinhoFernandes my domain provider's shitty interface
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought it'd be safer to assume he's writing a zone file and backtrack from that, rather than the other way around.
Yes I chose a shitty domain provider my bad
I personally avoid them fancies and just upload zone files directly.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's Bartek :D
Ell
Ell
13:55
lord bloody st ives still haven't counted
Ell
Ell
not that it matters
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're talking about a person who refused to configure his own mail server
Ell
Ell
turnout: 66.1%
Okay I think next time I shall simply refrain from helping and educating since you and Robot seem not to like it :(
@Ell that's more than last time, right?
Ell
Ell
No idea
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's fine, dude. I was just pointing out that the dot might not be needed in his case.
Yawn
Sweet Kareline
13:57
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't say that, your remark might be helpful
you got an extra comma in there bub ;p
lel
so my ISP is also giving me an Android tablet
what to do with it
I just gave my dad a tablet lol
To reflect what I'm pretty sure was intended, it should really be a semicolon.
@Borgleader: Answers. Go. In. The. Answer. Section. Bub. — Lightness Races in Orbit 18 secs ago
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