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12:00 PM
Maybe I'll slap together something in Go or Haskell.
 
@Mgetz not the issue though
 
damn the mentee uses linux
eh
 
@khajvah As for "renting cost will be equal to the cost of mortgage in about 20 years", wow you must have great rent! It is true that mortgages cost you money in interest, and there may be some useful comparison to make here between mortgage interest and rent expenditure, but remember that most of your mortgage payments is value. You get that money back when you sell the house (you hope :P). You don't get anything back when you leave a rented property. You're just paying money into a void.
 
@wilx yes, cause you're definitely going to find just the facts
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit apologies accepted
 
12:00 PM
@khajvah Buying a house is an investment in a way that renting one simply can never be.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're late.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that is what I am saying. Depositing the same money in a bank is a better investment
 
@MartinJames shrug
 
@wilx some view the very mention as taboo, but I'd suggest to go watch Zeitgeist - it has some good bits
 
@khajvah Right, well, since my opening statement explicitly named depositing money in banks for investment purposes as one of the other reasons not to go around stomping feet going "fuk banks fuk banks", I'm happy with that too :)
It's usually not a better investment btw, but whatever
 
12:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I am not against banks :)
 
@khajvah It was Nisk going on a rampage against anyone merely mentioning them, it seems
 
user1804599
Making it resistant against power outages and crashes is challenging.
 
@khajvah hahaha
 
I think a bank must have run over his puppy or something
 
user1804599
I have no idea how to do such a thing.
 
12:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit rampage? much exageration, much wow.
 
@Nisk ?
 
user1804599
Perhaps append to the file and add a checksum to each queue item, and on start delete items with invalid checksums.
 
@khajvah if you're not against banks you do not understand banking.
or you're a cunt.
 
...
 
12:03 PM
Are you, like, eight years old or something mate?
 
welp
 
Childish, huh?
 
I like to borrow money from the banks
it's more rewarding
 
He sounds like a Russian troll, much like those I encounter on Czech news webs and in discussions under articles.
 
like I get free money ... in terms of gift card & more asset value over time
 
12:04 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit less of that toxic behaviour
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WTF?
 
hahahahahahaha
 
ITT people realize Nisk is a troll
 
that one actually made me laugh.
 
12:05 PM
@wilx I imagine I would speak in russian then
 
of all of the crap that gets flagged in here.
 
@Nisk No, you would not. For successful troll, your victims have to understand what you are saying.
 
@AlexM. having unpopular opinion makes me a troll...mmm
 
@wilx except I'm not trolling.
 
12:07 PM
lol, so many party leaders quiting
 
@Nisk it's not an opinion, it's contradicting statements, insults, calling other people childish and then acting like an 8yo with whom someone disagrees.
 
@Nisk It is not that it is unpopular. It is simply wrong and/or stupid.
 
"either you're against banks or you're a cute" "less of that toxic behavior"
You need a mirror, mate
 
s/te/nt/
 
@BartekBanachewicz I gave my opinion on anyone who thinks banks are lovely and good, didn't call out anyone in particular.
 
12:08 PM
Is Nisk a sockpuppet of Bartek?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a cute what? :)
 
Fucking autocorrect
 
@wilx except you not once disproved my points, except use your opinion for validation,
 
@Nisk and at the same time you said you'd save up for your own place. Where would you do that? In a sock under your bed? If in a bank, then you're as much a part of the money expansion problem as people who take mortgages.
 
@Nisk You didn't make a single argument against banks. That's is not an opinion
 
12:08 PM
It's the "step 1. be toxic; step 2. accuse someone else of being toxic" approach to chatting that sort of gives it away...
 
Your point is that your opponents are cunts AFAICT
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no
 
@Nisk Neither did you prove anything.
 
but if he's a clone of Cicada, Cicada has beaten be, because I cannot see Cicada in him
 
> Cicada in him
:vom:
 
12:10 PM
A clone of which Cicada?
 
@BartekBanachewicz because there's no alternative. Hence the displeasure. What's hard to understand? Do you want people to be giant hypocrites ( lightness not withstanding) ? NO, then stop trying to make them out ot be
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Back to old dp
 
nvm, jahwah is here
 
@BartekBanachewicz ooooh, that makes a lot more sense
 
@wilx I'm not the one just dismissing others as trolls.
 
12:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Hello Bartek
 
lol and now I'm the hypocrite again
definitely Bartek sock
 
@Nisk I've just presented you with an alternative; you can keep the money yourself.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's your fault for having kinky thoughts involving cicada
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you are a hypocrite.
 
You're not dismissing them as trolls. You're dismissing them as cunts.
 
12:11 PM
I see I came at the :right time:
 
Or as childish.
 
@Nisk Go on then. Let's have an example. I could use a good laugh...
 
Big difference there.
 
But are banks loops
 
@TonyTheLion Happy birthday you great big lion!
 
12:11 PM
I thought you would be out to have a life? what happened?
 
@Nisk Or you can buy gold. Or anything else. You don't need to use a bank account.
 
Lounge<Toxic>
 
lol gold
 
:sips coffee:
 
@rlemon Why are you here? There are no flags!!
 
12:12 PM
I'm at the queue at the bank.
 
there were
 
@rlemon I need one too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes REDACTED DUE TO PREDICTION OF HYPOCRITE FLAGS
@rlemon oh. missed them :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was considering gold
 
12:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes We can't tolerate your childish behaviour anymore
@Nisk and?
 
you got flagged for calling someone an 8 year old
made me laugh
 
fagged
 
@Nisk Gold was proven to be a bad inverstment
 
@rlemon oh, I got flagged?!? ahhahahhaha
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Its a lie. You fell for a lie.
 
12:13 PM
bitcoin. it's where all the money is at.
 
everyone invest in bitcoin.
 
@TonyTheLion I've fallen for many lies in my time :(
 
you can add this one to the collection
 
@rlemon Didn't it just drop in price to like 20% this morning?
 
12:14 PM
@TonyTheLion most people fall for gravity
 
idk. I don't follow that crap
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion It's always the right time!
 
@BartekBanachewicz still undecided, I'm not in a position where I can make many moves either way, so I'm trying to educate myself the best I can on current affairs and economics
 
So, right now, I am warming up yesterday's tea in a microwave oven. Do you cringe, @LightnessRacesinOrbit? :D
 
do house credit things kill you
 
12:14 PM
@wilx I did.
my boss does that
 
@wilx Only if you open the door before the beeper goes
 
ugh.
 
technically with my income I could borrow the max amount (57k eur) to buy/build my first house
 
lol
 
@rlemon seems like that was since start of year. someone lied to me earlier
 
12:14 PM
@wilx I cringed
 
Haha.
 
@wilx tea in a microwave?
 
but then I am not a fan of 'English Breakfast Tea' style, I prefer the likes of Earl Grey
 
m8 I ain't even
 
@Nisk I guess you still have a lot to educate yourself on then
 
Ell
12:15 PM
@Xeo not according to my gf
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if reddit is truthful. we should all be making super micro transactions with dogecoin.
 
Black ofc
 
haha, it was @khajvah, and that was the conversation that started Nisk off on his rant about banking
full circle
 
@BartekBanachewicz also with my current job - I won't be able to buy more than a few ounces lol
 
Ell
apparently there's such a this as being "too early", who'd a thought it?
 
12:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz isn't that always the case
 
Isn't it normal for yanks to nuke their water hot?
rather than use a kettle
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fuck that beeper!
 
@AlexM. Yes. It is cold one from yesterday evening.
 
@Nisk nah I wanted to insult you
 
4 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
@Nisk Go on then. Let's have an example. I could use a good laugh...
Still fucking waiting.
 
12:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz a d K
@BartekBanachewicz I denied the insult.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit waiting must be stellar in the sac, everyone is fucking waiting.
 
that was predictable m8
 
:(
 
@Bartek no, he doesn't have much left to educate himself on, because he already knows enough to say everyone thinking different is a cunt.
 
12:17 PM
that's typically ample yes
 
Nisk is pretty well informed and very intelligent
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it's only 8:15am here. my humour will possibly get better as the day goes on.
 
see my humour is stellar
 
Xeo
3 more hourssss
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit umm complaining about toxic behavior while being toxic yourself?
didn't you get banned for a while for it?
 
12:17 PM
@Xeo CREEEEPPPPER!!!! in the lounge
 
@Nisk get a mirror, mate.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh that proves me wrong so
@R.MartinhoFernandes did I make a claim to virtue of a nice person?
 
@Nisk You are literally the only toxic person in this conversation. All I did was point out some facts to you and explain how mortgages work. Then you started calling people "cunts" for disagreeing with your nonsense. That is toxic, and going around calling non-hypocrites "hypocrites" and non-toxic people "toxic" only more so.
> David Cameron heads back to Downing Street as the Conservatives win a majority, as Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage all resign saying their parties need new leadership.
still can't get over this
it's weird
 
12:18 PM
@Nisk I don't care. I want you to shut up with the shitposting.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit you didn't explain how morgages work - you said they are good because they allow you to get x*y.
 
Your actual behavior is more important than your claims.
 
I signed off on the last paperwork for my mortgage yesterday. mortgages are great. houses are too expensive.
 
At this point, I conclude this must be a troll. Even in the Lounge nobody's quite that stupid.
@rlemon REDACTED DUE TO PREDICTION OF HYPOCRITICAL FLAG
 
12:20 PM
ikr
sour as well.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I believe lounge people are not considered stupid in out society.
 
Was this project discontinued, or do you still plan to declare a winner and hand out a prize? — rdb 3 mins ago
 
@khajvah that depends on whether they're presently wresting controls away from the driver of a car
 
ayyy, I forgot about this
 
@Nisk he did. They allow you to obtain a living place despite not having money for it at a current moment
 
12:20 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hahaha, good one.
 
lounge is probably one of the hardest chats to follow. often there is multiple discussions happening at once.
 
like everything you pay later in pieces
 
@BartekBanachewicz what a concept to master.
 
@Nisk there's really not much more to it.
 
12:21 PM
@rlemon I disagree: there were at least ten ships of that name.
 
I should notify the moderators of it because my current stance is "I'm not involved anymore"
 
@AlexM. hmm is that fraud
 
and really, having an own living place is waaay nicer than renting
 
@BartekBanachewicz didn't I say that's all he did: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/23175886#23175886
 
so glad I'm nearly finished with mine
 
12:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz are you 40 years old?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nah the prize is a gamedev.se tshirt and it comes from Byte56 the moderator
like it was always the case with the gamejams there
 
@khajvah I mean renovating, not paying off
 
When did this nonsense about banks become about me? You're all obsessed.
 
Bartek is not 40.
 
12:23 PM
Sexists.
@khajvah I already dispelled that; you are not stuck in a mortgaged property for 20 years.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, bound to the place.
 
@Xeo How so?
It's a lot easier to move between rented places of course, but you're not strictly bound to a home just because you bought it
 
Ell
anyone tried mesonbuild.com before?
 
Unless I'm missing something about how it works abroad? Funny how khajvah said that too.
 
@Xeo what lightness said. Also, I've been moving every year for the past 4 years. I'm so freaking tired of this.
I have a car and a motorbike now so I don't really care about where in tricity it is that much
 
12:25 PM
You don't need your own place to not move.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fwiw you are not in Canada - I can transfer my mortgage to a new home if I decide to sell and move.
if it isn't payed off*
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ow
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Of course you're not completely bound. But I'd imagine the barrier to actually moving would be higher after paying for a house or something.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, but sadly all of the previous arrangements forced me to move
 
12:25 PM
@rlemon Right, same here
 
seeing how my neighbor from the floor below keeps on complaining about how I can't move around my apartment late at night because she can hear footsteps
 
@Xeo Yeah it is because in practice you need to find a buyer for yours before you buy someone else's. That's certainly one downside of buying.
 
I'd really buy a house
 
@Xeo a house is a tad different from a flat I suppose.
 
right about now
 
12:26 PM
@AlexM. mine below me bitched my computer chair makes too much noise when I get up
 
Altough I'll tell you in secret, I'm already considering a move
 
even if I have to get money from the bank
 
my GF owns a house that's p much empty right now
 
In secret, on the internet, in a publicly archived chat room whose transcript is trivially found on Google, under your real name
 
Dafuq didn't you just renovate one?
 
12:27 PM
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@khajvah I mean renovating, not paying off
He did?
 
what's not clear in the word "considering"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you must love hearing politicians sweet talk.
 
@Nisk well, they don't often call me cunts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it'd be at the very least around 5 years from now
I estimate the cost of renovations in that house to be around €50k
 
So, yeah, politician talk tends to be more pleasant than yours.
 
12:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes did I call you out personally?
 
Does it matter who you called a cunt?
You shouldn't have. Period.
 
@Xeo anyway the ability to do everything just the way you want it is really nice
floors, walls, furniture
 
@Ell not bad judging from the syntax
 
(And it's not about it being name-calling; it's about poisoning the conversation)
 
but it's hard to do worse than CMake
 
12:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't call out anyone in here as a cunt?
 
26 mins ago, by Nisk
or you're a cunt.
:slithers back into the shadows:
 
in particular I said that you either don't understand banking (and all the lovely things it does for this world) - or you're a cunt (aka a banker)
 
This is horrible.
 
As long as my money is safe
 
@CatPlusPlus ah but is it though?
 
12:30 PM
How many people do I have to give out Communication 101 lessons here?
 
@rlemon have you considered starting a betting business
where people can bet on LRiO vs Bartek episodes?
 
@Nisk safer than under your pillow
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes .o/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can't you just kick him?
 
no, but a sitcom could be in the works.
 
12:31 PM
Phone.
 
I've been scraping the transcript
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you wanted to take offense, and misunderstood. Well played Mr Righteous.
 
@AlexM. they plonked each other, too late
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You shouldn't have periods.
 
@khajvah really? :(
 
12:31 PM
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
(And it's not about it being name-calling; it's about poisoning the conversation)
 
@khajvah I live in a good neighbourhood
 
You just don't listen.
 
@AlexM. I think bartek did
 
ohh the flags.
 
12:32 PM
@Nisk doesn't matter
 
Nisk flagged it I guess
and I'm the hypocrite???
what's the word for someone who's a hypocrite for calling someone else a hypocrite
"heap o' shit"? :)
 
@Nisk Categorically blaming misunderstanding on the other party is a clear sign that you don't get how communication works.
 
probably somewhere in here
 
It's a two-way process.
A joint effort.
 
12:33 PM
@AlexM. no
 
technically, over a period of 360 months paying back the $$$ for a 46k eur house would cost exactly my current rent
but holy shit 360 months is like 30 years wtf
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I must admit I'm surprised you're getting suckered into this one. You're usually rather good at staying out of it!
@AlexM. Just the interest you mean?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what's the interest
I think everything is included here
 
@AlexM. The amount of money you pay the bank minus the actual cost of the house
 
it's some sort of special program for people buying or building their first house
 
12:34 PM
@AlexM. Oh, well, you should only count the interest. That's the only thing you "pay". You get the house value back when you sell, so that's completely different from paying rent.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, house value can rise / fall, so..
 
@rlemon holly sheet
 
Where can I find a C++ rental apartment? i.e. you only pay what you use
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@AlexM. for my first house I get to give myself a tax and interest free personal loan from my RSP that I get 11 years to pay back. (max 25K)
kinda sweet.
 
12:35 PM
@Xeo ± x, yeah :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What ticked me off was his entitlement when he started asking others to cut on the toxic behaviour, five minutes after he poisoned the conversation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes shrug That's nothing some of our favourite regulars don't do every week
Although I will admit, Nisk is particularly good at it
He's the best troll we've seen in this place in a looong time
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, fwiw I had a similar engagement with Bartek yesterday or so.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I see, that makes sense
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's kind of my point ;)
@AlexM. arp
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, wait, I get it — well let's just say then I'm surprised you've been suckered into it this week? :)
 
12:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not on purpose troll is not a troll
 
@khajvah accidental trolling should be a thing
troll by misadventure
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wow this is the best codementor guy I've ever met
> I can spin up a VM somewhere geographically between us and we both connect over SSH. you run a command which attaches to my tmux session and we both see the same terminal.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Address Resolution Protocol?
 
it's kind of embarrasing to be about to mentor someone who's more experienced than you :D
 
@AlexM. sure ok
 
12:38 PM
you lost me
 
I'll never lose you
 
but can you sell a house while you're paying back the loan
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you ask to verify?
 
12:39 PM
I mean if you don't pay the loan the state takes the house from you
what happens if you sell it
 
You basically don't loan the house. You borrow money from the bank
 
@Nisk Here's a breakdown for you: by saying that, you basically leave the others with the choice between being stupid or whatever manner of horrible person they think deserves being called a cunt. That is a recipe for ruining any civil discussion.
 
and buy a house with it
 
@Nisk I wasn't even in the conversation you poisoned.
 
@khajvah yep exactly
so you keep paying the bank money even if it's not your house anymore
(if you sell it)
yeah that makes sense
 
Ell
12:40 PM
@AlexM. I forgot how you said you were dealing with JNIEnv*
 
since if you stop paying the loan it says here that the state gives the bank the money and then it's free to take your house or sth
 
Ell
just use the one passed to the call?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that might be the case, but I did not personally call anyone a cunt like you tried to imply
14 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Nisk well, they don't often call me cunts.
 
@AlexM. But I doubt it is that easy. Banks in my country wouldn't let you do that that easily
 
@Nisk Who the fuck cares.
 
Ell
12:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz How you're mentoring this guy?
 
@Ell like this
 
Why is Nisk not kicked yet?
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operator()(CppAnalogueOf<Args>... args)
{
        JNIEnv* env = get env here;
        env->CallStaticVoidMethod(...);
}
for voids
 
unless you pay immediately
 
Ell
right
 
12:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes suddenly,
 
Ell
how do you get env here? is there a funciton to get the calling programmes JNIEnv?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit just plonk him
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why aren't you?
 
@AlexM. I did. Irrelevant.
@Nisk Because I have done nothing to warrant it.
 
12:43 PM
@Nisk You ruined the conversation with your smugness. Note how after you made that statement, the whole thing broke down into "it's a troll", "it's eight years old", and whatnots.
 
(dammit)
@AlexM. what no
Either you transfer the mortgage to your new property or you just pay off the rest of the loan
 
user3814024
Hey Guys
 
You can't throw out something like that and then hide behind "But I didn't name anyone".
 
Remember, you get the money from selling your property. Unless you did something wrong or the market went insane, that's enough to pay off the rest of your mortgage.
 
@Ell he wants some C++ hands-on coding help. Well, not really, help, more like coaching I guess.
 
12:44 PM
What you want is for there be enough left over to cover the cost of a deposit for the next one.
What transferring mortgages does is just cuts out the middle man with all that stuff
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz sorry I brainfarted. I meant to say "are you tutoring this guy?"
 
user3814024
What sort of c++?
 
Ell
or just clicked the "I can help". Just out of interest
 
I mean it's a little more complex than that but in principle it's fairly straight-forward
 
> brainfart
amazing word
 
12:45 PM
The point is, you never hold a mortgage for a house that isn't even yours. And you don't have to pay off your mortgage before you're free to leave the house (you can do both simultaneously, using the house's selling price).
 
@Nisk Actually, you did notice the conversation broke down at that point, because you asked people to reduce on the toxic behaviour.
 
@Ell JavaVM::GetEnv
 
You just forgot to look at your own messages.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes didn't expect people to have skin made of silk.
 
22
A: How to obtain JNI interface pointer (JNIEnv *) for asynchronous calls

AdamThis is how I've used it in the past, see my blog Since the callback is on another thread the VM context must be attached to the current thread. Once attached the method can be called. void callback(int val) { JNIEnv * g_env; // double check it's all ok int getEnvStat = g_vm->GetEnv...

see here
to make sure the env and stuff is attached to your current thread
 
12:46 PM
even when I didnt even say anything about them in particular
 
to avoid problems
 
they take any excuse to take offense
 
@Ell we're scheduling.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so confusing >.<
 
@Nisk Oh well, fuck off, I guess.
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12:46 PM
35 mins ago, by Nisk
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you are a hypocrite.
42 mins ago, by Nisk
@LightnessRacesinOrbit less of that toxic behaviour
Let's just leave that there.
 
This attitude that others are at fault for my own words is not conducive to decent conversation, especially when coupled with the attitude that others are at fault for their own words.
 
@AlexM. not really!!
 
@AlexM. you take money, then you give it back vOv
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had trouble yesterday with morons being really abusive in Facebook statuses about anyone who wouldn't vote the way they'd like, even going so far as to "order" people not to vote if they were going to vote X, Y, Z. Like, just, what
 
Ell
I attempted to help a guy with his Python project
 
12:48 PM
I put up a nice status as like an open letter (shown below) which got like 25 likes. Then a few of the people who knew who they were nerdraged :D
 
Ell
It was PhD level maths though so I couldnt help :(
I wasn't charging him anyway
 
> I'm not going to defriend you for voting for a different party than me. I'm not going to defriend you for having a strong opinion about your preferred party.
>
> I'm going to defriend you for intimidating your peers with verbal and emotional abuse, and for shaming people who do not share your opinion or, worse, order people who do not share your opinion *not to vote*.
>
> Take your strong convictions and use them to make rational arguments, not to bully others.
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I was quite proud of that.
(People were defriending each other left-right and centre over being "cunts" etc for having a differing political opinion)
I mean you can see how fucking wars start, jesus
TIL it's because people are idiots
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nice.
 
I can say whatever I want and I don't have to care about what it might possibly mean to others and if others react in a way I didn't expect I obviously have no fault in it and they're cunts.
 
Robot are you okay
 
12:50 PM
Maybe not. Fucking banks.
 
I keep all of my money in a coffee can under my porch,.
 
But as a finisher...
 
2 hours ago, by Nisk
@khajvah the only weird part is why the public hasn't put all bankers heads on spikes
 
user image
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12:51 PM
Discuss.
 
I should have become a digital artist
 
@rlemon And you keep your coffee in a bank?
 
no, fuck banks.
 
You cannot have a discussion with people if you poison it, regardless of how rational or correct your non-poisonous statements are.
 
they are terrible.
 
12:51 PM
@MarcoA. pahahahahahaha
btw it's "JavaScript" just sayin'
Guys I think Robot has a virus
 
also, jQuery is for noobs.
real programmers use Zepto
 
yeah but we still need moar of it
 
Ell
it's jAvusCrisps actually
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit did you like buy a house or stuff using these loans?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not blaming others (again you're trying to make out something almost fictional), if they are touchy and want to take offense to things not directed at them - let them. What I was responding to is you trying to make it out that I insulted someone in particular and when I called you out on that you now switched to how I poisoned the conversation and can't communicate.
 
12:52 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Robot is running windows?
 
@AlexM. A mortgage is exactly that: a special loan that goes directly towards buying a house.
 
@rlemon are you saying all javascript developers are noobs?
 
well, you can take mortgages out for other things as well @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
how much does Gmail for custom domain cost?
 
against a home you already own, yes.
 
@Nisk You just don't listen.
 
@rlemon oh well yeah
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no I meant if you got a house like that yourself
 
I consider that a special form of "buying" :P
@AlexM. I don't follow
 
12:54 PM
you had your own flat right? IIRC you bought it yourself some time ago
or are you renting?
 
@Ell ow
@Ell on codementor?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yah
I don't tend to charge though so :P
 
@MarcoA. That sharp was on purpose right?
 
@Ell dunno why
you gotta value your time man
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I feel bad charging
I'm not good enough to charge :p
 
12:55 PM
@milleniumbug actually I suck at drawing big time
 
@Ell with that attitude you might never get "good enough"
 
but photoshop has limits, paint is total
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I just don't want to rip people off accidentally
 
I tend to filter out a lot of people and only contact those who I can really help
 
@Ell whenever you think like that
 
12:56 PM
1. House is nice
2. I want house
3. Hello bank I want house but I'm not, y'know, fucking loaded. Can you buy the house for me please and I'll pay you the total cost plus a bit extra over 25 years or so?
4. "Yeah sure y not"
-- five years pass --
5. Huh I need a different house
6. "Ok but you haven't paid me back for this one yet"
7. One sec
8. Hi blud do you want to buy my house? I can't afford my new one
9. 'yo dawg ok here have £200,000'
10. sick
11. Hi bank I sold my house here's the rest of your money. £150,000, right? I get to keep some #yay
2
 
@Ell you can do what I do, that is asking for spec and details earlier, before the session
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Missed this; needs more stars.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah I do that too
 
Ell
it annoys me that people put really vague specs and have to be asked for more
 
12:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
Ell
it's not useful for them or us
 
@Ell I have to contact the CM team about that.
 
@AlexM. I was renting a flat and now I own (via mortgage) a house.
 
Banks charge interest on the loan they lend to you, you use banks loans to leverage your portfolio. Banks charge is fixed (certain percentage although it can raise & fall), you take the risk & reap the return (which could be negative). But consider share markets average return is about 8% exclude divident, Sydney property market has been going at 8% for the past 100 years (excluding rental return).
Share market's leverage ratio is 1:1, property 1:5. So if you take a loan that only cost you 5% (which is the global norm), you would make 8 x 2 - 5 = 11% return on your shares & 8 x 5 -5 = 35% on sydney properties. Very simple maths.
 
They already fixed a few things I suggested I think
 
12:57 PM
@Ell actually I got nothing nvm
 
but that was back when it had really a little users I guess
 
Bartek said kinda the same thing
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it looks simpler that way
 
> leverage your portfolio
get out
 
oh man getting a house
 
12:59 PM
having my own garden with a pizza oven in it
 
As I said, it really isn't a complicated thing in principle. What gets tricky is various fees and legal obligations and trying to get the timings right (because in practice, steps #6-#13 have to happen concurrently). But yeah.
 
living the dream
 
Ell
That luke guy messaged me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I love the "sigh yes okay" part :D
 
Ell
maybe I'll steal him from bartek ;)
 
12:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz
 

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