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17:01
@FredOverflow Also he sounds quite sure of himself #fact
@FredOverflow Yes, they are all awkward, as I've often sed before.
@Pax, definitely agree. But C/C++ is much more like a slow acting poison than a chainsaw. Sawing off your leg produces an immediate and noticable effect. Poisons though come in great variety and can be slow to fast acting and have varying symptoms. — JaredPar Mar 23 '09 at 13:01
@Mr.kbok so... so... so... so...
That's how I read that.
@FredOverflow LD50 for C++ is 'Hello World'.
17:10
Lololo
@MartinJames no
@MartinJames just
@MartinJames no
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes no
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sorry:(
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hii :3
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@FredOverflow tar --help may be a correct tar command depending on the implementation!
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17:21
Is there a Unicode expert in the room?
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Does Unicode specify which closing brackets belong to which opening brackets?
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I need a function that maps them, e.g. f('{') == '}'.
17:34
I don't believe it does.
I don't think Unicode gives a shit about that
However, there's this
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A: List of all unicode's open/close brackets?

Brian CampbellThere is a plain-text database of information about every Unicode character available from the Unicode Consortium; the format is described in Unicode Annex #44. The primary information is contained in UnicodeData.txt. Open and close punctuation characters are denoted with Ps (punctuation start) a...

@Mr.kbok Sayre's law
@Nooble meh fuck it
I'll just get the Roccat Ryos
I don't get rainbow coloring
but at least I can program it in C++
so there's that
any of you cats tried Urho3d urho3d.github.io
looks pretty cool
so few people reviewing the keyboard even mention this
17:41
no cos it's on github
I mean I think this is pretty damn cool
from ctypes import *
dll = cdll.LoadLibrary("Roccat Talk SDK.dll")
dll.Set_LED_RGB(0,1,12,25,78)
dll.RestoreLEDRGB()
spaces in filenames >.<
you can hook it up to things happening in games and get some complex behavior out of it
and what is with that appalling function name inconsistency?
except that in games like CS GO it will look like a program interfering with the game
and VAC would probably ban you
@LightnessRacesinOrbit shrug
17:44
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what does that have to do with anything
¬_¬ ok... I tried duck duck go... but I'm getting pretty fucking tired of shit like "C++ lambda expressions" and the seconds results being about Java 8
WTF 'Kyrostat is not dead' lol
#KyrostatForever
so erm... if I have a lambda and I want to pass it to some function to use... what type does that function take?
std::function<Sig> or template<typename T>
Sig being that arguments the lambda expects?
17:58
the signature, yes.
right right
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit hmmm
hmmm
got a nasty side effect here.
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hmmm
alright so if you're trying to call a function, there's no reason why that should fail because that function has a bad attribute that does not affect it's callable semantics.
18:11
@Puppy I have to say return type too? how that?
@thecoshman It's in the Sig.
you do know how to specify the Sig, right?
@Puppy apparently not :P
cba to acquire food
help
it's std::function<Ret(Arg1, Arg2, Arg3, ....)>.
18:13
oh... so... wait, how what says what the lambda returns and what says what it expects to be passed?
well, the std::function at this point I guess
oooh
I think I get it now :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Order it.
oooooh
I so boob
fuck me I failed hard at that :P got it now though
@EtiennedeMartel might have to
expensive to keep getting takeaway though
and i'm only going to then have this problem again later :/
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@thecoshman You can't ask a lambda for its return type as it may be polymorphic.
oh although i do have a steak in
18:21
I can't really help you there, though.
come to think of it
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std::function monomorphises the function you initialise it with.
@EtiennedeMartel nobody can :(
I hope you have more than just a steak otherwise it might get bland.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Have Tesco deliver it to your house. :)
18:31
urho3d.github.io/documentation/1.32/index.html dat crispy clean documentation
welp, hooking up to CS GO to get stuff is out of the question unless I want to only play on VAC-less servers
a guy hooked up to DoTA 2 to change some LEDs on his Arduino based on HP and got VAC banned
gah, why does std:: not have strnlen_s?
@melak47 Search for the terminator, but no more than n characters? Seems reasonable.
Do you have write access to the array? Then simple put the terminator at the last index before calling strlen ;)
@FredOverflow but there might be a character there :p
oh, right
18:42
> It utilizes either Direct3D9 or OpenGL for rendering
By the way, this reminds me of that:
s[strlen(s)] = '\0';   // make sure the string is REALLY terminated :)
Why do "game" engines always advertise their renderer up front?
@FredOverflow lol
Because shiny is what people buy
@EtiennedeMartel welp
18:43
@EtiennedeMartel Why do women use makeup?
if an engine was "DX 11 only" I'd certainly drop it
I'd rather they told me first
Yeah, but you won't go far with just a renderer.
@EtiennedeMartel well if it's an engine, wouldn't you want to know what you can target with it?
Open source game engines are presented as "graphics engine with a bunch of game-related features tacked on".
meh
the only engines worth pursuing are Unity and UE 4 anyway
all the others are just Unity and UE4 but with less features
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18:45
Man, I love when a story pulls a good plottwist - but this one week wait for the next chapter is killing meeee
Those two are cool not because of the engine, but because of their asset pipelines and set of tools.
I had high hopes for Godot
this open source free engine
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And damn that was a fine plottwist
coming from an experienced team
The world doesn't need yet another D3D/OGL wrapper.
18:46
that wrote cross-platform games for Sony
What the world needs is good content authoring tools.
it turned out to be not that good
@EtiennedeMartel yes well
What the world needs is for people to forget about mobile shit
the world doesn't need yet another language
but look at rightfold going strong
@AlexM. lol
18:47
duality.adamslair.net might be not bad
I guess there's merit in thinking you're the guy having the next great idea about doing X
I mean you fail in all the attempts you don't take
And also in all the attempts you do take
not necessarily
I'm pretty happy with how Wide has turned out so far really
@EtiennedeMartel No, but it's a rite of passage, about like writing your own string class was in the '90s.
@wilx hmmmm. you know what. i fucking might :D
@EtiennedeMartel got some greenery to go with it but no potatoes :(
18:51
@LightnessRacesinOrbit \o/
../conf/fields.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one
oh ffs why
lol Steam
> Genre: Indie
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Hm, Banished -70%
@JerryCoffin That's a pretty good analogy, I think.
Everybody's writing blogues nowadays
18:55
blogues?
That's French for blogs.
oic
is that like "le blogs" or is it actually French for blogs?
@CatPlusPlus there was this comic with a guy enjoying a dive in a big pile of shit with indie written over it
can't find it
@Xeo Go for it. It's my GOTY 2014!
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I don't have time for it, though :<
18:57
Put it in your backlog.
Banished -70%? take it and play it when you find some time
Although, caveat emptor: if you pick Banished, be sure to install the Colonial Charter mod.
Buy Democracy 3, you can idle play it and make up stories about fat Canadian mafia
oh, adding .cpp files to an .a isn't going to go well
I bought Banished with the dumb Steam cards
18:58
@райтфолд ... but a function that takes a 'function object' can expect that function to return a certain type... and thus the lambda that is given to that function has to return that type...
@CatPlusPlus lol, why you get steam cards? also, that game any good?
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@thecoshman yes but you can't query it.
They generate on their own
I just sold em all last year
@CatPlusPlus oooh, that gem shite
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You need duck typing for this.
@райтфолд decltype?
18:59
And made enough to buy Banished
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@Puppy then you have to have the argument types.
yes
@райтфолд is the 'function saying what it wants the lambda to return' or the 'making a lambda that returns that type' that is the problem?
@thecoshman Neither, usually.
vOv what I wanted worked
18:59
@thecoshman If you like city builders like SimCity, try it out.
It's basically that but in medieval times.
Lacks content though, so it's easy to reach the end of it unless you download mods.
wanted a way for a function to be able to set the modelViewProject matrix in the shader, without having access to the shader/program or the location of that attriubte
@EtiennedeMartel same for most games these days
I think I've seen it lets-played
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@Puppy Well, I'm also not too fond of strategic building kind of games. Just not my type of game
hm so how's the poll
@thecoshman derp
19:04
the poll is broken. the very first question doesn't have enough options
are you overcomplicating again
welp okay so so far 10 people responded with 10x yes
I suppose we should give it at least 24 hours and we can start thinking about the time
Do we have a wiki the explains how this jams work?
@FredOverflow i am the op the wiki
what do you want to know?
PIZZA ORDERED, BITCHES
19:08
@BartekBanachewicz Everything. I want to be prepared. And then not bother to come up with an idea.
my code generation element has caused me problems
if I generate types from a text file
I then sort of have to generate absolutely anything that's ever going to use it
unless I rely on polymorphism, which doesn't help me at all with enums
@FredOverflow "not bother to come up with an idea"? Well I suppose you can't really escape that
unless I rely on templates, which doesn't help me at all when it comes to actually picking which generated types to use, at runtime, based on some runtime condition
I wrote a guide on how to prepare but it prolly got lost somewhere
so at SOME point I have to hand-write X variations of a few other types
19:10
basically you should stick to a technology you're fluent with, with an IDE already preconfigured
ideally you should make a few short warmups
I think templates will get me the closest
but as for the idea, you can't be prepared for that other than... being creative
when the themes appear, don't jump straight to coding. Take a deep breath, think about what you can do in the time limit. If the jam is going to be a few hours, spend at least 15-20 minutes thinking about the design idea
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Q: What to do about pedophiles targetting a site?

DanBealehttp://parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/what-should-i-do-if-my-15-year-old-son-is-sexually-interested-in-younger-boys/ Several answers are from self-identified pedophiles. Some link to a pedophile advice site (supporting people with an illegal paraphilia to avoid becoming sexual offen...

19:12
@FredOverflow other than that, it's blood sweat n tears
> Pedophilia is a problematic sexual orientation, but at the age of 15 I don't think it's so straight forward. Being attracted to people 5 years younger than you when you're a 15 year old kid is alot different from liking 13 year olds as a 20 year old.
Is there any reason I should keep a blog for professional reasons? It seems like a lot of effort
all of my high school colleagues were being used by pedophiles
I just realized it
@Pris meh, on gh pages it's pretty easy
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@Pris no
19:15
@BartekBanachewicz Is that the motto? Blood, sweat and tears?
poor girls
@FredOverflow lol
not decided yet, but most probably it's going to be "2 out of 3" again
I have no idea what that means.
Like in a Tennis match?
@FredOverflow we randomize 3 themes, e.g. "prison", "teenagers", "cats"
you have to pick 2 and include in your game
well, or at least try to include.
@FredOverflow That's not a motto. That's a girl standing in front of an empty sanitary pad dispenser.
for some reason
if you asked me who could have said that
@JerryCoffin would have been the last on my list
I don't know why
you must be new here
@AlexM. but not you
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nah only female colleagues
they had 20+ boyfriends at the age of 16
that hardly qualifies
19:19
can you imagine a 16 yo boy with a 20 yo girl?
yeah, thought so too
that's not particularly unusual
I know that was my point
well, 16 is a bit young I guess. but 16 with 18, 17 with 19, 18 with 20
pretty normal
#include <prison>
#include <teenagers>
#include <cats>
// easy peasy
divide by two plus seven!
19:20
I find age gaps between partners interesting
there's a ~10 year age gap between my grandparents lol
yeah but that ratio scales well
When did they meet?
seriously I plotted it in Excel once. it's perfect
@FredOverflow technically when "judging" people aren't supposed to look at your code
@FredOverflow I don't know, never asked
19:20
oh also being cross platform might help get some attention from linux folks
at least Ell and Pirate use linux
@AlexM. 12 years between my parents, and something like 14 years between my grandparents.
btw @AlexM. are you gonna fill the poll?
@JerryCoffin I need to remind my mother about situations like those
she's desperate that I may die before getting married
@BartekBanachewicz I don't like short game jams that much :(
19:23
@AlexM. then fill in that you want a longer one
well I can't because I only have two options lol
just those two
lol the official Witcher page just posts this screenshot scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/…
and says this "Both of us? That's gonna cost you double."
Geralt's grin doesn't help
22 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
the poll is broken. the very first question doesn't have enough options
@AlexM. You have plenty of time. I didn't get married until I was past 40 (and yes, my wife is quite a bit younger than I am).
19:28
I don't really want to have any relationship atm but I'm being pressed by my family
I really enjoy my life right now
like, I do whatever I want with my time and money
don't want anyone to disrupt that
@AlexM. Nobody wants to have a relationship. It's just something you stumble into.
tell that to the people posting on those love match dating something sites
Those are just the people that are afraid of being alone.
how does that even work, you just let the world know you want a relationship and wait
it feels really weird
and unnatural for some reason
Most social things on the Internet are weird and unnatural.
19:32
humans are natural creations, there's nothing we do that's unnatural.
You're both crazy
@FredOverflow yeah but this seems especially unnatural
I mean I always thought about how your parents met being a motif for the whole family stuff
each couple having a story
if you do dating sites it's really "yeah we just posted a message here and that was it. exciting."
What about divorced parents?
99% of those stories are like that
@Puppy tell that to rightfold!
I mean if you define "natural" as "something done by a natural thing" then the word ceases to have any meaning at all because literally the entirety of creation counts
clearly there are some boundaries to its definition
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19:34
@AlexM. Except it's "we posted a message here, found out we had compatible interests, did not dislike the other party, hung out and came to like each other"
Maybe because it's a dumb word
like, typically, we don't count skyscrapers as "natural"
@AlexM. At most, that would be the very beginning of the story though--and not a particularly important part of the story either. The real story is what happened after you met.
@AlexM. usually the development of a relationship goes beyond the "posted a message on a dating site" stage
otherwise you might as well say that your parents' great story is that they were walking the dog
No no you gotta have explosions and aliens and saving the world and also epic music in the background
19:36
now who's being a dumb word
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my parents great story is something about them meeting in college and mum accepting dad so he can finally shut up
or something like that
did they goat to the same college?
Much more exciting than posting online
and the problem was that he wouldn't stop bleating on about it?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes
I tried to make a goat sound out of that yes
but I failed
19:38
ah
I created two kilograms of tasty
games are so great
see I play computer games all day
dad couldn't
so he got married at 23 or sth
crazy
there was probably nothing to do back then
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Psst: Books, TV, outside.
Boardgames, party games, family games
card games
there's plenty available to do
yeah those things weren't huge in early post-communist Romania
the get-married-and-have-lots-of-kids mentality was still there
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19:41
The outside wasn't huge? Did you guys live in a tunnel system or something?
what do you mean by "outside"?
a walk in a park?
that gets boring eventually
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Touring, physical activities, sports, bars, movies, all the things.
aaah I love you John Oliver.
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Just hanging out outside and talking
hmm
dad used to play pool IIRC
but I was really young back then
probably 5
19:44
wtf...I was randomly getting failbit and eofbit after reading some 9KB of a 150MB file, and now that I added more code inspecting the state of the stream it works fine
UB
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Heisenbug
I'll ask mum what they used to do for fun
she is aware that today there's more stuff to sink time in than back then though
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@AlexM. Mine would prolly answer "going out, and reading"
yeah but where would they go and what would they do when they got there
19:46
TORTILLAS ARE ADDICTIVE
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yes
Hence I don't tend to buy any
as soon as I open the bag at home, it's empty within the hour without fail.
that is the fail :)
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I know
I just can't seem to help it
I'm faring a lot better when I don't have any snacks near me
meaning I'd have to get dressed, go out on a bike, and go buy them to have some. And that's usually too much effort for some snacking.
@CatPlusPlus Mexican Nan.
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19:49
Speaking of which, I currently don't have any snacks
I haz teh scones.
I'm still trying to decide whether it's good or bad that we have free snacks at work.
Embrace the fat
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Brain says good, body says bad, prolly.
@CatPlusPlus I cannot reach you virtually.
19:53
@Xeo Brain says good, body says meh, wife says very bad!
:-|
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heh
in an opengl application, is timing sequential calls to SwapBuffers a valid way of measuring frame rate?

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