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12:00
I guess you've never seen the C# Lua binding
because it's vastly more comfortable than their C API.
the Lua C API is an abomination unto God that no sane man should ever have to suffer through.
So can someone be a programming language fanatic?
@Puppy You have a Python up your bottom?
@Elvisjames Apparently...
@Puppy point taken
@FredOverflow You just did
12:01
@FredOverflow Indeed I do.
@Elvisjames Dude, I'm confirming it right now
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Questions are not sentences.
@FredOverflow That must be painful
> There is no language called "C/C++". The phrase is usually used by people who don't have a clue about programming (e.g. HR personnel and poor managers). Alternatively, it's used by people who simple do not know C++ (and often not C either).
> When used by programmers, it typically indicates a "C++ is C with a few useful and a lot of useless complicated features added" attitude. Often, that is the point of view of people who like to write their own strings and hash tables with little knowledge of the standard library beyond printf and memcpy. There are people who stick to a restricted subset of C++ for perfectly good reasons, but they (as far as I have noticed) are not the people who say "C/C++".
@FredOverflow I use C/C++ because they're closely related and interchangeable in a lot of different contexts, but C++ is often used for better ease
12:02
@FredOverflow Yes, they are.
@Cinch I don't understand why you come to a C++ room and claim C++ is relevant. It would be much more fun if you did the same in a Java or Python room.
@FredOverflow Types of sentences:Declarative, Imperative, Interrogative, and Exclamatory.
they're really not that closely related or interchangeable.
@FredOverflow Why would C++ not be relevant in a C++ room?
C++ is a superset of C?
12:03
so much derp
@Cinch nah
well, not really.
@Cinch No.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's like going to church and trying to convince people to believe in God.
it's technically true that most features used in C are also available in C++, but no sane C++ programmer would ever use them that way.
@FredOverflow That sounds like an easy gig. What's wrong with it?
12:03
Oh wait, there's an expression for that: preaching to the choir.
Priests do that every day
good C++ code and good C code look nothing alike.
@Puppy that's because of style and the form of the languages
it's called "preaching to the choir" because it's different from preaching to the congregation, who are also in the church, but need teaching
12:04
yes, so basically, everything that actually matters.
'they are [often] interchangeable, but their style and form differ' make up your mind
@Cinch int a; int a; is perfectly valid C but invalid C++.
both have different best-use applications but they are closely related in syntax, history
hi all
@FredOverflow Exactly ^^
12:05
So when will the robots take over our planet?
@Elvisjames They already have, and you're the last human alive.
We need a program that can program
hi hi Wang Wang
@Elvisjames yo dawg
@ligh
hi
@FredOverflow wrong, just checked that
12:06
who knows about cuda-convnet?
ugh how about i get off the C++train
@Cinch The two attributes of least relevance (also C++'s syntax really isn't that similar to C's)
Best code seen today so far:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28673245/can-someone-please-explain-this-code
@Cinch try Haskell?
@Cinch Are you sure you checked correctly?
13
Q: About Tentative definition

al-AcmeI read from a book about tentative defination that, A tentative definition is any external data declaration that has no storage class specifier and no initializer. A tentative definition becomes a full definition if the end of the translation unit is reached and no definition has appear...

12:07
@FredOverflow I just compiled that code in gcc
it doesn't work
yes, because one version of GCC set to one version of the language standard and other relevant settings is a definitive authority.
@FredOverflow Nah, don't want to try Haskell if it doesn't have much application; is there some other functional programming language that has a good community and usage?
@Cinch It does for me:
int a;
int a;

int main()
{
    a = 42;
    return 0;
}
homer@marge ~ $ gcc tentative.c
homer@marge ~ $ cp tentative.c tentative.cpp
homer@marge ~ $ g++ tentative.cpp
tentative.cpp:2:5: error: redefinition of ‘int a’
 int a;
     ^
tentative.cpp:1:5: error: ‘int a’ previously declared here
 int a;
     ^
@MartinJames dat moment when I click the link and immediately my project takes the focus with its main window after having been launched (~10s before) :)
12:09
@Cinch What code did you try, and how did you compile it?
@sehe .NET or Java?
@FredOverflow okay yeah it does work
@Elvisjames Ask @R.MartinhoFernandes
@Cinch Wrong file extension?
@LucDanton C99 has array literals? Nice!
12:10
Programming.
Fast, cheap, quality.
@FredOverflow No, they were local variables in main
@Cinch define "much application". Haskell's community is pretty amazing and it's used in really critical apps
Pick none.
@BartekBanachewicz Games, GUI, systems, web, to-do apps, databasing?
<lots of includes>, that one was on my bingo list — sehe 5 secs ago
12:11
@Cinch pretty much all of those. Not mainstream, but when you need a really good implementation.
@sehe Dang, I can't find that funny picture where Visual Studio opens an XML file :(
@MartinJames hehe
@FredOverflow never mind. It wasn't too funny after the first two dozen times
@FredOverflow they’re called compound literals actually. although I’m also using designated initializers here which can appear in other forms of initialization, too
@Cinch Haskell is the only true FP language, so by definition, it has the best FP community of them all ;)
Seriously, 21 thousand questions tagged as on stack overflow.
@sehe Yes it was!
Dec 9 '14 at 2:40, by Jerry Coffin
user image
12:14
@FredOverflow Hm... Seems interesting...
@MartinJames I don't understand why the guy from the question you linked is bashed so hard
I am still reluctant because I haven't still mastered C++
@Cinch Haskell is even troll-resistant ;)
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@Cinch If you want to master C++, you'll have to wait a couple of years.
where 'wait' means 'research'
@FredOverflow It's the main reason why I don't program in anything else, not even C or Java
12:16
@FredOverflow This is the point where we can ask him to bring us beers right?
13:20 <quchen>       | Have you seen LYAH? It's a very enjoyable book on
                     | Haskell. It also has a reputation of being very
                     | uplifting.
lmao
Yes, that's it! one day I am going to create an A.I. troll!
@Rerito Probably because taking apart code like that is not actually difficult, it's just really boring grunt work with the debugger, taking notes, adding comments etc. The OP is trying to outsource digging ditches.
13:26 <xQuasar>      | i can't believe my attempt to troll has actually got me
                     | convinced that i should give haskell a go
every time I read this I don't even, lol
@Cinch Learning one particular programming language "to the max" to the exclusion of any other language doesn't sound like a good idea at all. It's always good to broaden your horizon with fresh ideas.
12:17
why put in the effort in trolling when I can write a program to troll for me
@Cinch especially because Haskell makes you a better c++ dev too
@FredOverflow Something something something fear one man kicks crotch one thousand times something something
@MartinJames It's a DP solution and understanding it without having a clue of the "extra unobvious" dimensions is gonna be hard
@BartekBanachewicz Haskell looks interesting but I don't have the time right now
I actually haven't coded for myself in a long time
college man
If you have time for Lounge, you have time for Haskell.
12:19
It's 2:19AM where I am
I last coded for myself a few years ago. I'm still running that firmware even now.
But yeah that is grunt work for someone like me who doesn't understand it at first glance I agree
and I have a midterm tomrrow
@Cinch I've been preparing myself for 7 months before I started learning it
@Cinch Oh, so that's why you're here! Welcome to the procrastination palace.
12:19
Bye all - it seems that I no longer have time for the Lounge.
@MartinJames wut
@MartinJames Are you pulling a Tony?
ah lol
55 secs ago, by FredOverflow
If you have time for Lounge, you have time for Haskell.
@MartinJames for room owner
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12:20
@LightnessRacesinOrbit NO!!
star to support
And fuck it I'm moving to SFML when I have the time
No Unicode-ASCII semantics for me
> Have you seen LYAH? It's a very enjoyable book on Haskell. It also has a reputation of being very uplifting.
Oplichters /cc @райтфолд
Why is pantoona not a room owner?
12:22
@FredOverflow I don't follow the logic - will you tell people that if they have time for walking the dogs then they should have the time for planting the potatoes?
Rightfold for not room owner
4
cast your votes now
lol
ahhhh....
Calculus IV....
i better go to sleep
Have a good night.
12:23
@chmod711telkitty Oh shit, Bailey heard you. I guess I'm off up the field.
The only thing worse than Bartek as room owner would be me as room owner
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Triple integrals, polar, cylindrical, spherical integrals
No offence
@Cinch what
sigh.................................................................
wrong reply
@MartinJames You're not at work?
12:24
@Cinch sphincteral integrals
@Cinch you. can. edit. your. posts.
I feel strange today
@MartinJames don't listen to bailey, he will tell you otherwise
Hm... So why can't we just double-click on it to edit it?
Nooble for room koala
12:25
I don't know what keyboard to pick :((((
god damnit
telkitty for mod! telkitty%4
okay
g'nite ppl
I compiled a probram using mingw-gcc 4.9.2 and now when i run it on another computer it reports a libstdc++-6.dll file missing. why is the program being linked dynamically?
@Elvisjames because by default that's what gcc does
12:28
It’s likely the case that’s it’s the default. AKA read the manual.
So do I always have to port the dll file with the application now?
user1804599
@sehe ???
@Nooble tell me what keyboard to choose
12:30
@BartekBanachewicz lol damn it now I have to sue them
it's down to corsair k70 rgb vs razer blackwidow chroma
the first looks a lot more durable but means I'd have to install even more bloatware
I already have razer's bloatware
@Elvisjames Try -static. If that doesn’t do it, look around the manual starting at -static.
I kind of want to steer away from andy prowl, that dude has some psychotic tendancy - he started all sweet, then suddenly turned all nasty.
kind of reminds me of someone who would be all nice & smiling, then pull a knife & stick it at your back
stoopid Makefile race conditions
I think @AlexM. should be a room owner
2
He's very often here and he seems balanced enough
12:34
I also like pizza
Right
But that's a common trait in here
speaking of pizza
i want food
I'll order something different this evening
I'll drop the QFs and stuff and get...
hmmm
prosciutto e funghi with olives
sounds like a plan
@chmod711telkitty If you don't walk the dog, he shits on the carpet. What happens if you don't go the Lounge?
also I actually lost weight lately
12:37
@FredOverflow ? dogs usually stay outside
they shit in your backyard
might have something to do with two and a half weeks of no McDonald's
@chmod711telkitty Have you ever owned a dog?
at this rate I might even become hot
who knows
I am not sure about Germany, but dogs here are not allowed to shit in public places
@AlexM. I don't understand why people willingly torture their bodies with fastfood.
12:38
@AlexM. Alex the Hot Room Owner
@FredOverflow well it's fast and it stops you from being hungry
@chmod711telkitty You have to pick up after them.
get a burger and some fries in and you're guaranteed to stop being hungry
only takes ~10 mins
@AlexM. The purpose of eating is not to stop feeling hungry. The body tells you that it needs nutrition.
@FredOverflow no, I don't ... but I know plenty of dogs that are hardly ever let out of the backyards
12:39
That sounds very cruel.
> No honey, we don't need to go out, you can just stay in the kitchen and cook.
Dogs want to walk.
tbh tho I kinda noticed the mcdonalds quality has been getting even lower lately
last 2 hamburgers I got were like rubber
definitely not tasty
0/10 would never buy those again
I guess fastfood is like cigarettes. You know it's bad, but it makes you feel good.
(Apparently. I find fastfood tastes awful. Especially the fries.)
I also like the big soda paper-ish-whatever glasses they give you
I reuse the same big recipient at home for a couple of times more
it's 0.5l in volume so I fill it once and I'm ok for at least half an hour or more
I don't need to go refill like I'd do with normal glasses
12:42
@FredOverflow they do, but you can choose not to have them and spend time on planting the potatoes too
@FredOverflow I ceased ordering fries long ago.
I choose to be in the lounge, I choose not to do haskell
dog, potato
@chmod711telkitty That's fine. But saying "I want to learn Haskell, but I have no time, because I need do discuss how awesome C and C++ are in the Lounge, even though I haven't actually programmed in quite some time" is just stupid. Now go plant your potatoes.
12:44
I still have so much to learn
@Elvisjames In the process of learning C++, please don't forget to write useful programs.
I have spent years learning obscure template details that I have never needed in real-world code ever since.
@Alex i simply use a 0.5l glass
I used -static-libstdc++ flag and it still reports a dll missing.
@AlexM. weighted hammer action, ivory feel
@FredOverflow well, I like that ... when you future wife tells that to you!
12:48
@райтфолд absolutely
Can someone help me with my compiler settings?
What should i choose for "linker for static libs"?
Also, you all have to thank me for making this lounge less misogynist!
no.
mingw-GCC
@chmod711telkitty You like cooking better than going out?
@Elvisjames What dll is reported as missing?
12:52
Hmm, what license should I choose for non open source executables?
Like a commercial game.
license to kill, if it's a shooter game
@sehe is that for... pianos
@chmod711telkitty How did you accomplish that, exactly?
@FredOverflow I like walking the dog better than planting the potatoes, especially when plowing is concerned
libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll , libstdc++-6.dll, libwinpthread-1.dll
12:53
@Jefffrey Maybe one of those CC licenses?
@AlexM. what else :)
@chmod711telkitty ok now you lost me :)
@sehe does that mean the thing where it has like a 1cm of free travel?
because I absolutely hate those
@Mr.kbok I can choose one of:
Please choose a license:
 * 1) (none)
   2) GPL-2
   3) GPL-3
   4) LGPL-2.1
   5) LGPL-3
   6) AGPL-3
   7) BSD2
   8) BSD3
   9) MIT
  10) MPL-2.0
  11) Apache-2.0
  12) PublicDomain
  13) AllRightsReserved
  14) Other (specify)
Except for 13 and 1
12:54
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm in my home office. Unfortunately, the door is not soundproof and Bailey has an err.. 'non-trivial' bark.
my GFs piano reacts almost immediately to touch and it's different from most of the grand pianos I've played on
(I'm so psyched I'll have it in my flat)
@AlexM. I have the Cherry Evolution Stream XT, and it's awesome.
12:55
@Jefffrey lol that's just what Cabal suggests
The piano action mechanism, or the key action mechanism, or simply the action of a piano or other musical keyboards, is the mechanical assembly which translates the depression of the keys into rapid motion of a hammer, which creates sound by striking the strings. Action can refer to that of a piano or other musical keyboards, including stage pianos and synthesizers. The key action mechanism determines weighted keys feeling, that is the feeling of the heaviness of the touch of the keys. == History == The piano action was the core of Bartolomeo Cristofori's invention of the piano (ca. 1700). Other...
@BartekBanachewicz OK, you're moving in a grand. Where are you going to live?
@BartekBanachewicz "suggests"
@Jefffrey it doesn't forbid you from filling out that field manually
@MartinJames nah it's an upright
@BartekBanachewicz so... lemme get this straight; you prefer which?
12:57
If you don't select one of the ones listed it's going to give me a warning I can't remove
Even if you select 13 he is going to complain with:
> The 'license' is AllRightsReserved. Is that really what you want?
@sehe I prefer the zero-free travel action of uprights
which is a PITA
@Jefffrey so what?
@Jefffrey I guess cabal is going to piss you off as long as you choose a non-open-source license
@BartekBanachewicz So syntastic is displaying that error on 1/4 of the vertical space
12:58
Except (a) that's non-existent (b) it doesn't allow you to play anything complicated.
I say, buy a harpsichord
@BartekBanachewicz She's uptight?
beh harpsichords
Well it's not zero but it's much less
I dunno when playing a grand piano I feel like the instrument is fighting me
Why does my function return NAN?

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