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2:00 PM
Haskell argument #1987934 feat. Puppy vs World
 
type safety is a thing of limited value anyway in many cases.
 
This is the hardest game ever. Me an my brother never managed to survive for longer 40 seconds.
 
cpx
I used to play it on NES.
 
cpx
I've finished it a long time ago.
 
user1804599
2:03 PM
@AlexM. lol
 
@AlexM. is that you?
 
I believe this is the hardest game ever. I never managed to walk for more than 2 meters. A legend says that if you manage to run for more than 2 kilometers, the game will change into Metal Gear Solid.
 
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@AlexM. dat hover hand
 
@StackedCrooked if I'll get any more fat, I'll probably resemble the guy on the bottom
 
I thought that was you :D
 
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2:05 PM
@MarcoA. dat game
 
user1804599
But Metal Gear Solid is fun.
 
@AlexM. Well? Who is it?!
 
@MarcoA. related
 
WikiHow presents the following useful guide: "How to Stop Loving an Anime Character". http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Loving-an-Anime-Character
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 1. dunno 2. dunno
 
2:08 PM
bah
well she's fit
 
@rightføld 7s ?!?! O.o
 
I mean I would totally destroy that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 1. Doroty 2. Vladimir
 
user1804599
@sehe server load, not page load time
 
lol 30 load
Good job
 
2:09 PM
Spent many hours on this one as well.
 
Cat supportive as ever
 
@rightføld wut. 7s? Or you mean it's actually 700% load?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well if you had a production website that ran at 3000% system load then you have a serious WTF fail on your hands
 
user1804599
 
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@sehe load is not in seconds.
 
user1804599
It's unitless.
 
2:11 PM
@rightføld that seems epic, that guy must have obtained a PhD in QWOP
 
user1804599
So yeah, 700% = 7.
 
@rightføld what a lame jump
really lame
 
user1804599
:v
 
@rightføld load is a factor of a single full CPU saturation. It's not unitless
 
user1804599
What is the unit?
 
2:16 PM
brains
 
user1804599
 
goodwill to mean?
it's an equivalence relation to whatever units can express the capacity of a single CPU core (flops, bogomips whatever)
@rightføld impressively, he's feeding himself M&Ms all at the same time - with alternating hands
 
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@sehe lol
 
Hark! The hazard agents sing: peace of code, chills to men; God - the children traumatized — sehe 1 min ago
@Jefffrey a different type sexist
 
I like puppy's answer
lol
 
2:29 PM
it's rude for no reason
 
yes, it's a bit rude. But for some reason it makes me laugh. And to be honest it might be the right answer.. dunno..
 
it's barely an answer
it should be a comment then it should be removed
 
Ell
It's a very poor answer
 
He's a very poor individual
What do you say about that @OliverCharlesworth — Aditya Kiran 1 min ago
lol
just jumps into a conversation to go "ZING"
 
it's completely accurate.
there's nothing poor about it.
 
2:39 PM
oh brother
Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please note that posts like this should be written as comments under the question, when you have sufficient reputation. Thank you and have a nice day — Lightness Races in Orbit 51 secs ago
damn noobs
Oh gees, the Tories are moving to repeal the Hunting Act after election
just lost my vote then
 
user1804599
wat make
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit never realized you were an animal rights activist
 
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3:00 PM
I'm going to make a video game.
 
user1804599
I wish ncurses weren't so terrible at colours.
 
user1804599
You have to predefine them.
 
@Mgetz I'm not an animal rights activist. I am simply a decent human being.
It is not necessary to be an animal rights activist in order to hold the opinion that the merciless murder of innocent animals for sport is abhorrent.
 
I'm pro for scientific tests and trials. But I second Lightness' sentence if there's no significant purpose.
 
The hunting lobby's primary argument is that, despite being doctors and midwives and businessmen and soldiers and firemen, they are being "discriminated against". Lol.
Talk about a strawman argument
The world needs protecting from twats like them
 
3:06 PM
Do you eat meat?
 
I do
I kinda wish I didn't but I do draw the line at meat for food, at the present time, because I love it so goddamned much
 
user1804599
YOU ARE A FILTHY ANIMAL ABUSER RACIST SEXIST YOU
 
I would not feel able to defend the eating of meat on an ethical basis, though.
hehe
 
I think moose meat is >> industry meat from ethical pow.
 
3:09 PM
Compare:
a) A moose who lives in the wild all his life and is killed by a hunter.
b) A chicken who never sees the sun for all his ~life~
 
That's something of an unfair comparison, seeing as free range chickens exist
Though even then I would tend to agree
 
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@JohanLarsson Moose is much more delicious than chicken, so I'll have the moose.
 
a) can never be used on industrial scales, we would have to kill 95% of our population to survive from such sources.
 
Sounds good to me
You first
brb literally going grocery shopping
:20663966 I think it's avoidable and therefore somewhat beneath us. I wouldn't go so far as to say 'abhorrent' though
 
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I want to eat human flesh.
 
Ell
3:11 PM
meh chat not scrolling down for me.
 
I eat chicken & pork only very rarely cos ethics.
 
user1804599
But for some moronic reason it's illegal to eat human flesh.
 
@JohanLarsson I stick to responsibly sourced animal food at least
I know I could do a lot more
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't feel able either
 
I never eat chicken or pork; because they're disgusting.
 
3:12 PM
^ another reason
 
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@Puppy Good; more left for me.
 
My desire for steak, however, outweighs my desire to stick to my principles. Frankly.
 
Ell
Well. I think eating small amounts of meat is ethical as long as the animal has been raised in ethical conditions
 
so that the animal has some meat left over and can continue living?
 
Ell
but we eat significantly more meat than we require
 
user1804599
I don't see the problem with killing animals for consumption.
 
and we're destroying the environment to do it.
 
user1804599
It's completely natural.
 
I eat a fuckton of beef which is really irresponsible
 
3:12 PM
a large proportion of our energy and destructive wastes come from farming animals.
 
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Humans just tend to do it more efficiently than other animals.
 
Ideally I'd like to see stock dwindle and prices soar - I don't think change is likely otherwise
@rightføld Raping to mate is also "natural".
 
@rightføld The problem has nothing to do with killing animals for consumption; the problems occur when the animal is still alive.
 
The "it's natural" argument is entirely devoid of inherent usefulness
 
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@Puppy Kill it ASAP. :P
 
3:13 PM
It is probably possible to find beef that has had a decent life. At least it is ok to see what looks ok when driving.
 
that's nowhere near early enough
@JohanLarsson Beef is also vastly worse than other animal meats from an environmental perspective.
 
My major guilt is that I do enjoy a good takeaway burger, pizza etc .... and all of the local takeaways are Halal. Which I absolutely detest. But somehow I manage to conveniently forget.
ITT a case study on how you can have a strong moral opinion without actually sticking to it yourself
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why do you detest Halal meat? Because of the non taser thing?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yep
 
No because Muslims made it
yes because of the non taser thing what else lol
 
3:15 PM
non taser thing?
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, there are very few places that don't tase the animals before they kill them
 
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@Ell detesticle
 
@Ell Halal requires non-stun method. They have certificates to prove that the meat is sourced as painfully as possible
(slight misrepresentation but not by much)
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Halal doesn't require non-stun method I'm pretty sure
 
user1804599
You are now officially a racist.
 
3:16 PM
@Ell What do you think Halal means, I wonder?
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit They bomb the meat instead.
 
They did relax it at some point actually to appease governments who were only willing to go so far
Can't remember how much
 
Ell
Halal slaughter means you slit the throat and drain the animal of blood
and also say a prayer or something
 
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@Ell And drink it? Yummy blood.
 
I would imagine the last hours/days to be pretty stressful for industry meat. Taser or not.
 
3:17 PM
@Ell I think it does.
 
Compare it to the moose again.
 
and they have to recite a prayer before killing each animal lol
Some dickhead x thousand years ago was like "yo brap i iz well 'ard I kill animals mercilessly so i reckonz every1 shuld do this yeah for allah yeah m8?" and now it's in a fucking instruction book
 
user1804599
At least they slaughter people too.
 
user1804599
hahaha neighbours removed snow and now it's snowing like hell again
 
user1804599
3:19 PM
that's what you get for destroying beautiful landscapes
 
Ell
@Puppy for slaughter to be halal the animal has to die from having it's throat slit
 
without severing the spinal cord
and it can't be already dead
 
Ell
so you can stun the animal without killing it
 
@Ell Yeah, so giving it a quick bolt-gun to the head would just plain kill it right away. That would be much too humane.
 
Ell
3:20 PM
@Puppy right, that would be haram
 
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boko haram
 
halal can fuck off
 
user1804599
baka harem
 
except now i'm hungry and really want cheeseburger and chips
see this is the problem
 
user1804599
Tomalak how's your harem
 
3:20 PM
they're fine thanks
 
user1804599
Good to hear.
 
still happy that I pay them more than you did
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit generally I'm against it
 
against what, halal?
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Pork isn't halal so I agree.
 
3:22 PM
When I was in Portugal most of the meat I ate came from our own cows and pigs and chicken.
 
most of the meat you hate? ;p
 
Damn autocorrect
 
Autoincorrect
2
turn it off?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can find arguments for starting to hunt for ethical reasons. Have actually been thinking about it.
 
I'm not a big carnivore in any sense, but I figure that if an animal has to die to feed me, it may as well be killed as effectively as possible.
@JohanLarsson It's simply not scalable enough to make an appreciable difference.
 
3:24 PM
So I grew up quite the carnivore.
Oh yeah, some meat I ate also came from wild animals we hunted or fish we fished.
 
@Puppy Sweden is big with few people. But valid argument.
 
@JohanLarsson Population control can be achieved far more effectively and humanely than setting a bunch of bloodthirsty hounds after foxes to scare the shite out of them for half an hour then tear them apart limb by limb while they're still alive.
 
@JohanLarsson Not gonna help you when industrial beef farming in the US or UK destroys the atmosphere.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I take it you've never lived in the country then...
 
There's simply no excuse for such barbarism
@Mgetz I grew up in the countryside. What does that have to do with it?
 
3:26 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ok the fox hunting thing seems ew.
 
"You are against hunting only because you live in the city" is the hunting lobby's second favourite argument and it is equally as trite as the first one
 
There's a hunting lobby?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit we have a love hate relationship with wolves here... one one hand they keep the elk/deer population in check and keep the bear population down. On the other hand you get desperate individuals that attack livestock
 
@JohanLarsson Foxhunting isn't actual hunting for food, it's pointlessly torturing a bunch of foxes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oooooh yes.
 
3:27 PM
@Puppy sounds like it.
 
I mean, hunters have that much power in the UK?
Oh, lords and shit?
 
foxhunting is a traditional sport of the very upper class.
 
The Conservatives are predominantly pro-hunting
FYI convo started when I discovered that the Tories plan to try to repeal the Hunting Act after the election, so they lost my vote. It's not a surprise that they personally wanted to, but it's an actual plan of action now
 
which is where many of our liars thieves politicians are sourced from.
 
What is the Act about?
 
3:28 PM
and the countryside is predominantly populated by tossers who enjoy it and think they're being discriminated against to have their tradition taken away
 
banned it.
 
I'm not defending fox hunting... merely pointing out that they can be pests
 
though there are some sensible people from the countryside (e.g. me)
 
it's a criminal offence right now to foxhunt.
as it should be.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hunting to kill foxes was banned in 2005 or 2004 or somesuch
but people still do it anyway
 
3:29 PM
Oh.
 
The Hunting Act 2004 (c 37) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which bans the hunting of wild mammals (notably foxes, deer, hares and mink) with dogs in England and Wales; the Act does not cover the use of dogs in the process of flushing out an unidentified wild mammal, nor does it affect drag hunting, where hounds are trained to follow an artificial scent. The Act came into force on 18 February 2005. The pursuit of foxes with hounds was banned in Scotland two years earlier by the Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002. Such hunting remains legal in Northern Ireland. ��2...
 
the only argument I can see to repeal the Hunting Act is that it is essentially unenforceable and therefore an entirely pointless violation of personal liberty
and that's quite a good argument, though I'd like to see data
I've discovered over the years that a few people I really liked were mad into hunting and it proper turned me off those people
They were never able to present any convincing argument to defend their barbaric ways
 
Is that hunting act against all hunting or just the fox hunting?
 
> which bans the hunting of wild mammals (notably foxes, deer, hares and mink) with dogs in England and Wales
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not completely unenforceable, due to an archaic provision in UK law allowing for private prosecution... it is enforceable by animal rights activists. Albeit at great expense
 
3:30 PM
@Mgetz hence "essentially" ;)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so the use of dogs.
 
I'd like to see the Hunting Act repealed and replaced by an Act that requires any and all citizens to summarily execute anyone found on a Hunt
 
Ell
yeah the dogs is the inhumane part
 
@JohanLarsson in short
 
Wait, not even birds with pointing dogs?
 
3:31 PM
> mammals
 
Oh, right.
 
static_assert(!std::is_mammal<bird_base>::value);
 
That's wrong on so many levels.
 
fuck you C++
What is
 
I'm so glad that most states in the US outlawed hunting for sport alone
 
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3:33 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
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is_same takes types, not Booleans.
 
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static_assert(!std::is_mammal<bird_base>::value);
 
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Yeah.
 
I won't pretend for an instant that I am fluent in C++11/C++14 nonsense
:)
 
3:35 PM
@Mgetz It fills me with great, great shame to find a place where the US is more civilized than us. It's like losing a bodybuilding competition to a corpse.
2
 
Can we set hounds on the C++ committee delegates and tear them limb from limb? I'd be okay with that.
hahah
this hound made a funny
 
@Puppy don't assume, we require that you use what you kill. Leaving a carcass is a very hefty fine. And game wardens use bullet matching to figure out who did it, so when they find you, you get fined for every single violation. More than some amount and you go to jail.
 
Sounds good.
 
user1804599
I hunt mosquitos because DIAF mosquitos.
 
I'd send them all to jail.
ack
those idiot justice whiners probably wouldn't have it though
 
3:38 PM
wish contributors on that site would stop writing gems in fucking comments though. do they think it's a forum or chat?
 
Ell
@Puppy I take it you're a veggie
 
nope
 
deja vu
and moving the goalposts
ITT you either eat meat and hunt foxes for sport with dogs, or you are a vegan
 
in fact I dined upon some sausage rolls this very lunch
 
user1804599
deja waifu
 
3:40 PM
and I'm going to dine upon some more sausages for dindins
 
anata wa baka desu
 
user1804599
arigato
 
user1804599
ore-sama wa baka desu
 
ok
right yes food
gotta trudge out through the snow
brb
 
wtf we have only 50mm of snow that came a couple of days ago and we have night 20 hours per day here.
Not right imo.
 
Ell
3:43 PM
@Puppy you'd send people that hunt for food to jail yet you eat meat that has been born for the purpose of being fed to you and feel okay about that? That just doesn't make sense :S
 
It can still make puppy-sense :)
 
it makes plenty of sense.
hunting for food requires guns and all the idiotic murders and accidents that implies.
animals that were bred to be fed to me are properly treated for disease, checked for genetic problems, etc.
I drink water out of the tap, and I sure as hell wouldn't drink from a random river, since I'd catch cholera.
same principle applies here.
 
Ell
what no
 
user1804599
you water sourceist
 
Ell
@Puppy you're telling me you'd punish somebody else for drinking from a river?
 
3:46 PM
probably not.
but drinking from the river does not imply killing another being painfully and pointlessly and doesn't require that you keep around uncontrollable dangerous weapons.
the fact is, when an animal is reared for food, the circumstances of that rearing are completely within human control and therefore can be controlled to whatever we need- scale, environmental concerns, animal welfare, human health, whatever.
the same is not true of random wild animals.
 
put money first in that list?
 
user1804599
Hunting is web scale.
 
sure, economic efficiency can be added too if you want.
 
I think you are wrong about a bunch of things there but can be bothered to type the amount of English required.
 
English is some hard work.
 
3:58 PM
@JohanLarsson lol. I think you're to lazy to even bluff
 
user1804599
Let's breed.
 
user1804599
Lounge<Breeding>
 
Let's breath.
Lounge<Breathing>
 
@sehe I don't get the bluff part.
 
Lounge<Respiration>
 
4:01 PM
"I have a most elegant proof but sadly the margin is too small"
"If it weren't a Sunday I'd totally show that guy how it's done"
"I think you are wrong about a bunch of things but can't be bothered"
I really don't see much difference.
 
user1804599
I am making a video game.
 
Breeding Game
 
@sehe ok I get it now :)
Guess I just wanted an objection recorded in transcript.
 
Yeah. Kinda lazy :)
 
Ell
4:16 PM
(For non-redditors): The greatest most subtle troll youtube account youtube.com/watch?v=brdmnUBAS00&feature=youtu.be
 
meh
another guy advising people do stupid things with batteries
not very subtle at all or indeed, very great.
 
@Ell YT vs Reddit
> I don't know what I feel most sad about? That you try so fucking hard to troll that it makes me cringe or that you make fun of a website that you obviously use a lot. Especially the last part really makes me wonder what you try to gain from being so fucking stupid?
 
I'm back! With plentiful meat products. All of it haraam.
 
And flag abuse is everywhere
> Guys, if you don't like a comment, vote it down. Save the spam flag for actual spam. Misuse the spam reporter and it just takes them longer to get to the actual spam
 
user1804599
4:23 PM
@sehe how much do you know about TTYs?
 
@rightføld Too much and very little
 
user1804599
I have trouble understanding raw mode.
 
user1804599
And buffering.
 
user1804599
I think invoking stty raw -echo should work.
 
4:28 PM
Guys any advise on getting some reputation quickly? Whenever I go to answer question, other users beat me to it.
 
Ell
Answer it anyway
But with a better answer
Or edit
Idk
 
Can't edit yet, trying to get to that stage.
 
@Kingboom4 There is a daily cap anyway. There is no way to gain really quick. Take your time.
 
yes
 
@VáclavZeman Cheers, didn't know that.
 
4:34 PM
you can get 10000 rep for deleting your account and never visiting the website again
we already got enough rep whores don't need more
 
user784668
@Puppy prove it
 
user1804599
4:49 PM
WOooo it works.
 
ohhhh
you put the AST errors in the AST.
hmm or perhaps not.
 
I just made the most lovely pizza <3
it was so thin and crispy I had to say "wow" and eat it all
well almost, because family
 
why are we having to make up even the type of adjacency list?! Here's how you do a minimal example: SSCCE.org Live On Coliru. Sadly I've expended more energy than this question appears to deserve just putting these loose ends together. — sehe 22 mins ago
what are people thinking. They seem to think the when they just drop a penny in the pond, the answer will come out?
 

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