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8:06 AM
The first 2 minutes of this.
 
^ lol
"But all of my code is exceptional..."
Exception should be thrown if stack unwinding is desirable.
That's David Abraham's advice IIRC.
 
8:36 AM
That was interesting.
 
That map?
 
The entire thing lol
 
One of my favorites, since there's less skill involved. But it does get boring after a while.
 
Got a good amount of kills and stuff.
88 points
 
same
 
8:38 AM
!
 
I had exactly the same number of kills and deaths when I left.
Mostly from playing medic and spamming syringes.
 
lol
Demo + charge set up is fun.
 
Or actually, candy canes since my crossbow was festive.
Definitely.
 
Heavy + 100% crit = instant death for me though
 
Charge + caber is also hilarious if you hit multiple people.
Which is totally possible if everything is crowded on that final control point.
 
8:40 AM
Pretty much always
Got like 5 kills from that control point lol
 
Especially when like multiple demos from both teams do it at the same time on that last point.
Everyone just blows up.
 
voice chat in TF2 is a bit more annoying than what I'm used to
 
lol
the sprays...
Pornographic sprays aren't actually that common on TF2 anymore.
 
Do you even like shooters outside of TF2?
 
Crysis, I have yet to try out others. Though I probably should.
Halo on the xboxes.
 
8:46 AM
Oh.
No objective based shooters?
Most of my TF2 friends have switched over to CS:GO
 
I played a bit of half-life and CS way back. But I was mostly an RTS person back then.
 
With the exception of 2.
i.e. you and someone else :p
 
Now I know that my video card can handle 4 monitors @ 1080p and run a game at the same time.
 
lol TF2 isn't very GPU intensive though
I had like 200fps that entire game :p
@Mysticial What about Intel's FDI thing?
 
My chip does have an integrated GPU.
At least I don't think it does.
The mobo doesn't even have a video output.
 
8:57 AM
lol
well then
 
So I think socket 2011-3 doesn't support integrated GPU.
 
That blows.
 
Not like I'd want to use it anyway. It's one extra thing generating heat on the CPU.
 
Using the integrated chip could alleviate some of the stress on the GPU though.
 
I don't use the integrated GPU on my 4770K either. I slapped in a cheap and low power card that will handle 1080p.
 
9:00 AM
The 970 is pretty low power.
122W I think
 
gtx 970?
 
yeah
 
ah
 
That's the GPU I have
 
I don't even game on my 4770K. All it needs is to be able to run aero @ 1080p so I can debug code.
 
9:04 AM
I like playing games
good way to blow steam etc
 
definitely
 
CS is a good game for LAN parties
 
@Rapptz 122 W is not low power, man.
 
What GPU do you use?
 
@Rapptz Radeon HD 5670, 61 W under load and also AMD Phenom II x4, 95 W under load.
 
9:12 AM
That is an ancient card.
 
@Rapptz Yes. :)
 
@VáclavZeman Oh god. My 5970 draws like 400W under full load :-\.
 
@ScarletAmaranth lol, I would never buy such a power hog.
 
It does, however, run far cry 4 on very high! :) (Impressive feat for a 5 year old card.)
 
So if you have 3 of them, that's 1200W. Add in an overclocked CPU high-end CPU and you're over 1500W. Do they even make PSUs higher than 1500W?
 
9:20 AM
Well, I don't have three of them :P.
Also, it's a dual-gpu card. Having more than 2 would lead to 6way cross-fire which is not supported IIRC.
 
Whatever you need 3 GPUs for
 
@Mysticial is there any harm in using two PSUs to power up a rig :)?
 
Nope, but you still need to mount it somewhere.
Unless you're going open air.
 
Get a rackmount case :v
 
Like this guy:
 
9:22 AM
What an ugly computer.
 
Totally not damage prone
 
Better not get drunk in that room.
 
lol that sea of red SATA cables
 
Those are actually SAS -> SATA fanout cables.
 
@ScarletAmaranth There is a potential for some electric issues but today's PSU are pretty good. I I know a guy who used to use two PSU several years back.
 
9:25 AM
too far to see
My PSU is 750W
 
how big are the disks?
 
> 32 x 3 TB
 
I am not going to build a new box but I think I would use MSI R7 260X 2GD5 OCV1 for it. It seems to be powerful, compared to what I have, and only around 100 W under load.
 
google mousepad?
 
9:29 AM
I wonder if the free Radeon Linux driver can even handle it.
 
1. Make generic views so that behaviour can be easily modified between content types
2. Let people work
3. Discover that new views have been added by copying code around and not via new generic views
4. :cripes: even more
 
I seem to have a 1m byte pi.txt file
 
lol, Mini-Pi
 
Guess which views I have to change right now!
 
@Mysticial Oh yeah.
Must have been when I transferred my folders over to the new PC.
 
9:34 AM
@CatPlusPlus That is peer review failure.
 
That is everything failure
 
Would it be dumb to use a pull request setup internally in the company?
I sometimes think about it for new consultants etc. So that reviews must happen.
 
@JohanLarsson No
 
@JohanLarsson Whatever you decide. My company is discussing forcing Crucible code reviews checked by a commit hook or such.
 
I might propose we switch to Phabricator/Differential
 
9:39 AM
Damn, this thing is almost as expensive as my rig: pcpartpicker.com/b/9Cqkcf
 
When making drawings there are often two fields in the drawing template. Checked by and approved by.
 
But then again I might just stop caring
Also commits with messages that say nothing
 
downside with PR setup is if the queue builds up.
 
@CatPlusPlus Seriously, this is management problem. Your management should enforce some standards.
 
@JohanLarsson If you review often and in small batches then it won't
Not like people are working for free and in spare time here
 
9:46 AM
true, problem is when you start lagging
Also potentially annoying to have to pause what you are currently doing to review stuff.
 
I could do reviews all day
Beats writing code
 
I like writing code but reviews would have saved a lot of time on the current project.
 
I'd be happy to ditch Python in lieu of something statically typed but hell if that will ever happen
 
morning
 
@JohanLarsson Make review runs at the end of the day
Or start maybe
 
9:52 AM
That would be 23:00 - 01:00 :)
but you are right of course
Especially important in the beginning of a project I think.
With consultants.
 
I have a new project, and I've locked dev/master branches
It'll probably spin out of control in few weeks anyway
I don't know why I bother
 
do you get paid?
 
then that's gonna be why
 
I don't get paid more for stressing out about quality
 
9:55 AM
@Puppy do you think anyone in the industry gets paid more for write better code?
 
yes
 
Prolly rare to have management who knows anything about code quality.
 
they're called "senior positions".
if they don't write better code why pay them more than juniors
 
lol
For more experience
 
I mean, not that I necessarily think they actually deliver better code.
just that it's clearly some attempt to improve quality of product.
else they'd just hire mass junior programmers for cheap
 
9:58 AM
Titles mean nothing
 
money does
 
@Puppy chances are there is a stronger correlation to years than actual quality
 
Theoretically
 
but I get what you are saying
 
right.
I'm not saying it's an effective tactic
it's just clearly some kind of tactic.
 
10:01 AM
isinstances in generic views
 
not a trivial problem to solve
 
10:15 AM
Learn #HTTP status codes in one image... :-) // via @abt_programming // http://t.co/9eB7JLqBxR
 
Hhahaha I even tagged this bug long time ago with XXX FIXME
Overridden methods return something completely different than base ones: check
Goddammit
 
I have a system for dumbs I find when reading code that I can't fix right away {[Obsolete("wtf")], [Obsolete("WTF")], [Obsolete("WTF!")]}
should make a R# template for it
 
10:31 AM
Maybe I could convince people to try out Scala as a Python replacement, so we can at least get rid of stupid type errors
 
F# & WebSharper? (I have never used it)
in F#, Dec 3 at 21:15, by Reed Copsey
Amazing news - WebSharper is going full Apache 2.0! http://websharper.com/blog-entry/4124
 
We'd need to deploy to Mono, I don't really want to deal with that
I'd rather use JVM
 
meh
populist crap
 
whatis a self-assessment?
 
> Self-assessment is how good you think you are at the language. The graphs are essentially comparing how good you think you are at the language to how good you really are.
> Self-assessment is the programmer's opinion of how productive/effective they are being.
 
ty ty
 
Hmmm, what was the MSVC online compiler?
 
10:56 AM
Lisp bias
 
Also productivity in Haskell is limited by the ecosystem
 
@VáclavZeman That's the first Google result for "msvc online compiler". What a coincidence!
 
@FredOverflow Indeed! It is magical!
 
Also jesus Trello sucks for large amounts of tasks
 
10:59 AM
And why would you prefer an msvc online compiler to other online compilers?
 
@FredOverflow Because I wanted to specifically check whether it supports {} initialization.
 
Now is the time to use Coliru. Saturday morning I have least amount of users.
lol
 
Wow, searching in VS2013 is multi-threaded. And done very well.
 
Ell
I'm dyinggg
 
That'd be one thing done very well in VS
(I doubt it is)
 
11:03 AM
Searching?
All IDE can do that..
:P
 
Navigation in vanilla 2013 is meh
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, I'm searching for a line in 150MB of assembly. And it's almost maxing out 16 logical cores.
 
user1804599
dat snow
 
@Mysticial lol
 
160MB would be better.
Perfectly divisible by 16.
Btw, 150MB of assembly? I'm assuming that's generated code?
 
11:06 AM
yeah
 
Cool.
 
I noticed the search was multi-threaded on my old rig. But I didn't realize that it would actually go all the up to 16 threads.
 
Task-based system probably.
 
@Mysticial How can you tell it is multi-threaded?
 
Task Manager
With 8 cores/16 threads, it's very easy to tell when something is threaded. Even if I don't look at TM, I can hear the fans spin up.
 
11:09 AM
Well, given the PPL library or whatever it's called, I assume searching on all cores should be pretty easy to implement.
I doubt the search feature explicitly spawns 16 threads ;)
 
16 hyperthreads?
 
TIL: Mysticial can hear multi-threading.
 
user1804599
Gorgeous.
 
 
11:11 AM
I didn't know you could have enough memory throughput to keep 16 cores at 100%.
 
@sehe lol, no QA, I guess. :D
 
@Mysticial should be IO bound. Something tells me the search is not very efficient
 
Yeah, he's only using 4% CPU.
 
New field added to model but versioning support not updated: check
 
11:12 AM
@sehe It probably isn't, especially if it's using regexes.
 
It happened 4 months ago and nobody noticed: check
 
@FredOverflow You can hear it too. If you believe.
 
@Mysticial even so. Should be IO bound. Even if in memory, maxing it out would be rather strange (why would they parallellize something that should either be IO bound and deteriorate with scattered seeks or something that's completely in memory and should be instantaneous anyways. I think it's prolly spending that time regurgitating all kinds of document meta data that you didn't ask for :))
 
@sehe The file is only 150MB. And it's opened in a VS editor. So there's no I/O needed.
 
Why does it have to be IO-bound? I would expect most code to fit in memory.
 
11:14 AM
Inconsistent field names: check
 
@StackedCrooked I used to have a PC where bus/chipset activity interfered on the audio paths so that indeed you could hear when the bus was more active
 
Opened in an editor doesn't mean it's all loaded in
Probably mmapped
 
@Mysticial Single file? Wow. How can it even take long enough for you to be able to spot saturation in a volatile graph :)
 
Dec 22 at 21:21, by Lightness Races in Orbit
user image
 
@CatPlusPlus Unless it's the second seach and he still has 64GiB or more
@FredOverflow Yeah, that
 
11:16 AM
@sehe The search is probably really inefficient. Probably checking at each character to see if it matches.
 
@Mysticial ♫ And checking it twice ♪
 
lol
 
What's your regex?
You might be backtracking a lot
 
It's not even a regex. It's just a text. But the search is probably putting it into a regex as a generic implementation.
 
lol now that's just weird
 
11:21 AM
The Intel Compiler's multi-module compiler clearly has an Amdahl 's Law problem.
 
Duplicated code to change the method name but preserve old one: check
 
VS2013 doesn't if you turn off IPO - max CPU all the way.
 
user1804599
Regexes that contain only literal characters are as fast as substring search in any decent implementation.
 
user1804599
It's an obvious optimisation.
 
@CatPlusPlus What are you doing? It almost sounds like you are maintaining code. If that's the case, you have my sympathy.
 
11:24 AM
It's a 6-month-old project
It's been FUBAR for last 4
 
So make like rightfold and abandon project.
 
That is a verb: rightfold it.
 
user1804599
Can you store arbitrary metadata in object files?
 
It's not my project
 
@rightføld You mean with a text editor?
 
user1804599
11:26 AM
No, in general.
 
user1804599
(With LLVM.)
 
Probably that's possible.
 
you probably can if Clang supports that feature.
else probably not.
 
user1804599
What does clang have to do with it?
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
Oh right.
 
user1804599
clang-driven feature adoption
 
user1804599
Not sure whether I want to support dynamic linking with other Styx code.
 
I thought you meant about metadata in ELF.
 
user1804599
Protocols are wonderful.
 
11:30 AM
A random bit of Korean culture: youtube.com/watch?v=oGGgx8nzRIk
 
@rightføld ARP is heaven.
 
@CatPlusPlus Right, but that's IR-level and I have no idea if you can ask LLVM to emit it at the object file level.
 
user1804599
What is ARP?
 
I think I found a glaring error in Bjarne's book.
He mentions that the following will compile due to ADL:
 
@Puppy Me neither
 
11:31 AM
std::cout << "Hello World" << endl; // std is omitted for endl
 
@rightføld Address Resolution Protocol?
 
You want to be able to emit a custom section
 
@VáclavZeman my thought
 
user1804599
@VáclavZeman What is that?
 
@rightføld Low level network protocol, layer 2 or 3?
 
11:33 AM
It's what MAC addresses are used in
 
user1804599
I have no idea what you guys are talking about and what it has to do with protocols.
 
@Rapptz keming!
@rightføld ARP is a protocol layer.
 
Hahahahahaha timezone support is fucked too
 
@rightføld It is glue between Ethernet and IPv4.
 
glueeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
11:34 AM
Actually, it has a "generic" header format so that it could work between any L2 and L3.
But apparently it failed in that regard because IPv6 doesn't use it.
 
user1804599
Oh those kinds of protocols.
 
It's old
 
user1804599
I was talking about Clojure/Elixir protocols.
 
Probably they identified some defect
 
@rightføld Suppose you want to send a message to a certain IP. You compose the message from application all down to ethernet. Then you realize Ethernet header also requires a destination mac address..
If you don't know which MAC to use then ARP is your friend.
 
11:43 AM
Is this a good idea?
Fast build would be nice, complicated build not so much nice.
 
Build on ramdisk or something
 
Maybe you have too many assemblies
 
@JohanLarsson I'd say yes.
(Because it has 58 upvotes. I know nothing about C#)
 
11:47 AM
Fuck snack overflow votes
 
@Rapptz Interesting.
 
user1804599
yummy, snacks
 
I'd like some snack overflow now.
 
btw did you see R# Ultimate? You can get all JetBrains .NET tools for like 5x cheaper
Upgrade from R# C# Personal to R# Ultimate is 180€ lol
 
Oh, apparently Sword Art Online finished airing. Didn't realize I was watching the last episode last week.
 
11:58 AM
@CatPlusPlus nice, ty. Gonna try to upgrade asap.
 

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