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5:00 PM
@rightføld oh raw mode. Nah. I prefer cooked
 
user1804599
What is cooked?
 
user1804599
StackedCooked
 
@Puppy huhuh
@rightføld raw vs cooked
 
user1804599
@tailrec
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  val input = System.in.read().toChar
  game(state.update(input))
}
 
user1804599
Wunderbar.
 
user1804599
5:05 PM
@sehe lemme look that up
 
user1804599
@sehe cooked won't work; I need raw.
 
@rightføld woah
 
5:20 PM
ah man Enterprise should have continued. so good
All of the code links have expired. This is why we require you to post a complete, minimal testcase in the question so that it is a standalone post. I don't see how this can now help anyone — even the OP! Thus I believe it's time to close it. — Lightness Races in Orbit just now
Well, that does mean I am free. It means I wish to remain free.
 
plot twist: you get US freedom
 
@AlexM. You get DPRK freedom.
 
I don't think the people there even claim that they are free
 
user1804599
They probably do.
 
> The distributed denial of service attack which overwhelmed the servers at Sony and Microsoft appears to have been on a very large scale, and came when traffic would have already been very high.
>
> But customers are just as angry with Lizard Squad, the group which claims it launched the attack - and has since justified it with some rather pompous statements about exposing poor security.
>
> The group now appears to have set its sights on bringing down Tor, the secure network which enables anonymous online communication. That has incurred the wrath of the better known hacker collective Ano
 
5:34 PM
the main idea is that their Supreme Leader (TM) protects them from the outside world
 
so it's like not being free for their own good
i.e. they embrace not being free
 
When people say that freedom is good and not freedom is bad, they invariably have no actual argument for explaining why this is so. They've just been brainwashed by their institutions into thinking that they have "freedom" and that this "freedom" is "good". Which doesn't sound very "free" to me.
 
there was this NK guy in an interview
saying stuff like how the outside world is full of people shooting each other and shit like that
and how you don't see that in NK
 
which is completely believable
no sarcasm
look at the most "free" country in the world (it's not, but the one in which various stupid "freedoms" are enshrined in unrepealable law, and the one that takes the most pride in pretending to be "free") and witness how they use it to shoot each other
 
5:37 PM
yup, I find it hard to believe that under such a regime being able to do what people here can do is possible
I mean I don't think it's even remotely possible for a random citizen there to get a shotgun and start school shootings
 
how free are you if you're dead, honestly
complete freedom for all is a logical paradox
 
yeah
 
but no sorry okay "freedom!!!!! for all!!!!!11"
wankers
 
technically, your freedom ends when someone else's invades it
 
user784668
5:38 PM
What's the most malloc country in the world?
 
@Fanael Mallorca?
 
@AlexM. Probably because you can't see anything in NK due to the government media covering it up.
 
it's not a huge place. people would talk about it. you don't need "government media".
you'd hear the gunshots for christ's sakes, or your own auntie would have been killed
y'know, something
 
people who evade NK never speak about citizens committing crimes
only about the government committing crimes
 
What cracked me up about recent NK Internet connection issue was a comment like this: "all of NK's 1024 IP addresses were unreachable"
 
5:40 PM
lol
 
don't forget, though, that the government is constructed from citizens
 
I totally believe the whole of NK has only 1024 public IPs allocated.
 
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@Fanael Americans keep allocating fat.
 
the west is incredibly arrogant when talking about NK
it's like there's just this automatic assumption that "only 1024 public IPs allocated" = "bad, backwards, medieval, criminal, etc"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit TBH, I do not think NK deserves anything better.
 
5:43 PM
global connectivity being good is an argument to be made, not a fact to be assumed
 
I disagree.
 
@VáclavZeman well that's a rather bigoted stance
 
user1804599
If nobody uses it there's no need to allocate more.
 
and precisely the sort of reaction I'm talking about!
 
the NK people are not going to be particularly good or evil compared to any other.
 
5:43 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How is this bigot? Anyway, I do not care. NK is backwards fucked up redneck country in all respects.
 
it's their leaders that are batshit insane.
 
NK is a horrible country but the average Joe there probably has nothing to do with it.
 
@Puppy Not only. Their people are totally brainwashed.
 
you have no idea what you're talking about
and you assume that we are not "totally brainwashed"
 
5:44 PM
NK needs to let its people contribute with their work to the efforts of everyone else in this world, that's the only thing I'd want it to do
 
probably because we are
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why do you think so?
 
it's so sad to keep it so closed so that nothing gets out of there
 
user1804599
Loungitizens are brainwashed by Jeff Atwood.
 
@VáclavZeman Which is, again, not their fault. Also, it's pretty hard for anyone here to make a real determination about what NK is like for sure since their government controls all information.
 
5:44 PM
@VáclavZeman because you haven't been there. Why do you think you are qualified to make such strong statements about an entire country? Especially one that's so inherently secretive
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Speak for yourself.
 
but
the pictures from space of NK and SK say it all.
 
@Fanael No I'm just intelligent enough to be aware of it :)
no they don't
 
@Puppy Enough journalist reports, films, etc. made it out to get some idea how fucked up the country is.
 
only if you assume that "skyscrapers" = "good country!!!111"
again, the west has this idea that "goodness" must equate precisely with its own history of development. what if that's not the only way?
 
user784668
5:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Clearly you have never experienced real Freedom™
 
 
same problem as when people say that dolphins can't possibly be as intelligent as us because they haven't built buildings and cars. who says that buildings and cars are a neccessary indicator for intelligent life? who says that makes the species "better"?
@Fanael hoo-rar!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Skyscrapers strawmen? Nobody said anything about skyscrapers.
 
user1804599
@Puppy Clearly the Yellow Sea is a more primitive country than North Korea.
 
user1804599
Unlike the land around it, the Yellow Sea isn't even yellow at all!
 
5:47 PM
I gotta admit that the Yellow Sea is, indeed, less civilized than North Korea.
 
@Puppy All that tells me is that North Korea takes its responsibilities of ecological protection far more seriously than the decadent and wasteful South Korea. They don't leave street lights on unnecessarily, wasting gazillions of fossil fuels.
It is not proof of any sort that NK is "a horrible country"
Although I'm not sure why I'm bothering trying to have a rational debate about anything in here....
 
Are you just playing devil's advocate or what?
 
user1804599
Because you're a troll.
 
@VáclavZeman Huh? I didn't say you did.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Leaving street lights off is easy if you don't have any street lights, (or electricity).
 
5:48 PM
It's not a "strawmen"
 
user1804599
You should stop feeding yourself.
 
Because last time I checked NK's inhabitants are under a pretty terrible famine.
 
@MartinJames Yes! Clearly we can learn lessons from these important infrastructural decisions.
@rightføld One day you should learn what "troll" really means y'know
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The soddin' street light up from our house is not working either:(
 
user1804599
> troll |trəʊl, trɒl| noun Tomalak
5
 
5:49 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Somewhat. I'm not claiming that NK is a good country. I am simply pointing out that the West's approach is not to cite actual facts (like your observation regarding a famine) but to simply assume that their way is a more developed way is a more free way is better... whereas none of these properties are self-evidently true. They need to be demonstrated, not assumed.
 
user784668
 
user784668
This is a troll.
 
The way everyone's wanking over freedom in defence of a film that comically depicts the brutal assassination of a foreign leader, just because he happens to be leader of NK, is ridiculous.
 
Trolling? In here? Nah..
 
Worse, nobody can even see themselves.
 
5:50 PM
> Farta
 
@Fanael IRTA "tryi's erection"
@EtiennedeMartel In fact yes you should clearly note that I never claimed NK is actually a decent place to live ;p
 
Other dict... leaders have had films made about their assassination, with no fuss.
 
Examples?
Non-fictional, living, serving leaders.
"It's NK so it doesn't matter". fucking unreal
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OK, not so much.
 
I watched that film on Boxing Day
 
5:53 PM
So should I start my bolognese now? Or warm up the warmable baguettes?
 
it was reasonably entertaining
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The "24" series depicted assassinations of various presidents and other countries representatives, in non-comical way. Was is also wrong or is only a comical assassination wrong?
 
@VáclavZeman None of them were real, living, serving leaders. What sort of comparison is that to make?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The baguettes only take 30 secs.
 
user1804599
5:54 PM
Yummy baguette.
 
Also note that, in many cases (admittedly far from all), where it gets controversial the country becomes fictional. e.g. Kundu in West Wing, and whatsitsface in later 24
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "warmable baguette"?
What the fuck?
 
There was really no reason for the film maker to set this film in NK proper in contemporary times
Admittedly I have no idea whether it's actually Kim who's portrayed as its leader. If not, fuck the above
 
@VáclavZeman 24 is pretty comical, when you think about.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know how to explain :(
like the soft warm bread you get at restaurants
I bought some in a pack to heat up
 
5:55 PM
TBH, I do not see the problem at all. The country and its leader deserve every bit of shit flying their way. Call me bigot, call me whatever you want.
 
user1804599
bigot
 
user1804599
whatever you want
 
Yeah, that about sums up what I'm talking about @VáclavZeman. Spot on example of useless arrogant bigotry. No offence. :)
That attitude holds back diplomacy the world over and is the main cause of herpes
@MartinJames granted
 
user1804599
the main cause is people having sex with apes
 
I do not think there is a single good thing coming out of NK.
 
user784668
5:56 PM
lol
 
user784668
mount: /dev/sdb: more filesystems detected. This should not happen,
       use -t <type> to explicitly specify the filesystem type or
       use wipefs(8) to clean up the device.
 
Compared to even China or Russia.
 
user1804599
The best things come from the Netherlands.
 
@rightføld Your cheese sucks.
 
user1804599
5:57 PM
No, it's yummy.
 
they're just like "we think NK did it. we don't really have any proof. but it's NK, right? so we don't need to be sure. we can just blame them. because it's NK and everybody thinks NK sucks. also we're the boss. lol. fuk u"
and then people wonder why the west is hated
 
user784668
@VáclavZeman There are more good things coming out of NK than out of Nottingham
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That is bullshit. There have been many attempts on diplomatic resolutions of NK's problems. Also, in our relatively free world, governments fortunately cannot and should not influence entertainment industry. NK's people and government should be aware of that.
 
@VáclavZeman So if a country has no valuable exports then it "deserves every bit of shit flying [its] way"? That's your sole criterion?
@VáclavZeman Completely irrelevant - you're missing the point entirely, which is that it is entirely possible that NK had absolutely nothing to do with it. You're also still trying to imprint your own cultural values on a completely different sovereign nation. "They should be aware of that"? Why? They are a different culture. They do not have your values mate.
 
user1804599
I suggest you two go live in North Korea for a while and then argue again.
 
Ell
5:59 PM
If they aren't willing to be diplomatic though
 
user1804599
RIP Tomalak RIP wilx.
 
the FBI broke its own policies with that announcement in a way that it would not have done for any other nation.
@rightføld that went well
@rightføld nothx
 
user784668
@rightføld NK > Nottingham, Tomalak would survive
 
user1804599
Nothingham
 
user1804599
Yummy ham.
 
6:00 PM
I bought ham too
Haram ham
Harham
A redundant modifier, of course
 
lol, you are ridiculous.
I am done on this subject.
 
user1804599
You better eat Nothingharam.
 
FYI the going theory and consensus among security analysts is that the Sony hack was perpetrated by Russians
FBI is a dick for just blasting a probably innocent country in public. Bully tactics
 
OK, FBI was wrong.
That changes nothing wrt/ NK.
 
6:03 PM
You're still not getting it.
The point is that they didn't care they were wrong and acted with haste and nonchalance because of their arrogance towards NK.
I really think you've misunderstood what I'm trying to say here :(
 
NK is a convenient scapegoat.
 
Just like Irak was before, the Soviet Union before it
 
Ell
I feel like I've had a hangover for the past 3 days
 
start drinking then
 
6:04 PM
The West is constantly looking for someone to designate as their enemy.
 
and to look down upon
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel Canada
 
for not being as "developed"
or as "free"
 
@Fanael Canada is, to paraphrase a former prime minister here, "the most best country in the world".
 
anyway, NK citizens have about as much freedom as Loungers in that they can never realistically leave full-time, nor say what they want without being butchered in public :)
also I just realised I'm a redshirt on SO atm #yikes
 
user784668
6:07 PM
How terrible VM performance is when the disk image is on ZFS or btrfs?
 
anyway back to that original article, this is the real problem with the gaming console network outage:
> In the UK, Ros Bruce, from Essex, said her 10-year-old son got an Xbox One for Christmas, had spent most of the day in tears, and called for Xbox to provide compensation.
little shit.
also quite impressive for a 10-year old to call asking for compensation, but there we go
 
@EtiennedeMartel Probably to distract them from all the self-destruction they're doing already.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wtf
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "compensation"
 
6:08 PM
Talk about entitlement.
 
welcome to the 21st century
entitled little fuckwads reared from the age of 10 and under
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not as bad as those american teens who got the wrong car for christmas/their birthday and then cried because their life was now "ruined"
 
haha yeah
related:
 
Rich kids are the bane of existence.
Because they grow up into insufferable twats.
 
Ell
Not all of them :P
 
6:12 PM
@Ell Near as makes no difference all of them (did I use that right?)
 
#NotAllRichKids
 
Ell
What do you count as rich anyhow?
 
>£5 in the bank
 
user784668
@Ell $1
 
not on benefits
had a trike before age 5
 
6:14 PM
@Ell I've heard someone say that "being rich" typically meant not being in debt.
 
@Borgleader (yes)
 
@Ell 9 yrs old and has an iphone
 
@Borgleader (you got that from Top Gear, didntcha?)
 
Ell
those on benefits with < £5 also tend to turn out at insufferable twats too
I guess it's just everyone.
 
@Borgleader my ex's 2 year old sister had an iPad
that family were utterly insufferable wankers
 
6:15 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Guilty as charged.
 
probably still are
@Borgleader :D:D:D
 
user784668
@Ell news at 11
 
this talk of money makes me sad :(
 
In other news, Canada beat Slovakia 8-0 at the hockey world junior championship.
Go us.
 
I thought you weren't in Canada? I thought you were a separatist nation with your own cultural identity and future?
Until Canada proper wins something, I suppose. :)
Then it's "us"
 
6:16 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Most good hockey players actually come from Quebec.
 
blah
ice hockey*
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel Isn't it like Germany beating, say, Slovakia in football?
 
hockey is played on grass tyvm
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hockey*
 
@Fanael or me beating my Slovakian wife in the kitchen
 
6:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Only if you're stuck in a shit kind of weather.
 
@EtiennedeMartel right now it'd be ice hockey tho
snow and ice everywhere m8
 
Ell
I thought hockey was played on tarmac :L
 
It's currently 4 C outside, however.
Fucking spring temperatures.
 
you're probably thinking of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_hockey, @Ell
it's some next-level North American knockoff
 
Ell
6:18 PM
yeah I'm thinking of that
 
basically describes rednecks playing ice hockey on the street cos they can't get to an ice arena
 
Ell
that's what people played at school
 
same as kids chucking about a football on the road
don't see why it needs a name and a special Federation but there we go
 
Ell
because we don't have an ice rink at school, unsurprisingly
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's nowhere near spring, you crazy Canadian
 
6:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus Snow is melting. That's spring.
 
Snow deserves to melt
Even better is no fuckin snow at all
 
NG8 8/10 #uksnow
 
Subzero temperatures here all week and I dislike that very much
 
Do you like high temperatures?
Do you actually like anything?
 
Snoop Cat likes to be high
 
6:23 PM
Smoke weed everyday.
 
22-ish degrees is perfect
Below 18 is winter and above 30 is a fukken desert
 
user784668
It's 22 here ATM
 
user784668
22°F
 
Below -18 is winter.
@Fanael Fuck off with your archaic unit.
 
Below -18 is Pluto
 
user784668
6:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's not mine, it's freedumbers'
 
@Ell Rich is when you invest substantial sums of money for a return that you can re-invest repeatedly.
 
Ell
how much is a substantial sum of money
 
rich is a scale, not a boolean.
 
Ell
right that was my point
 
normal people work for a living; rich people invest for a living, give or take.
 
Ell
6:35 PM
investing isn't working? :P
you've clearly never invested in anything before
(for profit)
 
It is known as the hardest way to make an easy living.
 
investing is not working.
 
Ell
@Puppy why not?
 
first, because investing gives percentage returns instead of flat rates of return.
in other words, the more you can afford to invest, the more you can afford to invest.
 
6:36 PM
secondly because people pay taxes on money they earn from working, whereas investors basically avoid having to pay tax- either personal or corporate on the corporations they invest in.
it's pretty clear that in modern society investing is the only way to make a lot of money- it's just that only the already-rich can afford to do it.
 
lolwut
is it "Sit Down With Puppy And Listen To His Uninformed Nonsense Worldly Wisdom" time?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Stay a while and listen
 
Xeo
harro
 
sup
 
Ell
I'm not gonna bother
 
6:49 PM
> Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. -- Benjamin Franklin
4
 
Xeo
I is on a train
 
Xeo
yes, thanks captain obvious.
I wrote what I intended to write, though.
 
Where are you going in the train?
 
@Xeo This totally shocks and surprises me.
 
Xeo
6:59 PM
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