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2:00 PM
@Xarn I find it funny.
 
I find it surprising that you have a pet hate, considering that your opinions are certainly very balanced in typical.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, PHP is the worst language. It's not Jerry-specific
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I know it is, but it's not the point.
 
@Xarn Or maybe what I find funny is people's reactions instead.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there goes robot trying to assimilate natural human emotions again.
 
2:01 PM
@SamDeHaan worse than VB6?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think you might have missed something.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what now
 
Aug 5 '13 at 15:45, by Jerry Coffin
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Beer is not booze -- booze is distilled.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think particularly highly of JS, Ruby or Lua, but there are non-Haskell languages (e.g., Lisp, Erlang, Icon, SNOBOL and a number of ML variants) that rate a lot higher than those.
 
Aug 25 at 20:26, by Jerry Coffin
@Xarn Czech beer is what? The true nadir of that perfect storm of pisswater known as beer?
 
2:02 PM
Distilled beer?
Is that like beer with the horrible flavour removed?
 
what's Icon? o.O
 
Because that might actually be nice.
@BartekBanachewicz Icon is a high-level, general-purpose programming language that runs on Unix-based systems including Linux, BSD, Macintosh, and Cygwin. Icon is especially noted for its novel features for string scanning and goal-directed evaluation.
 
Sounds like a mix of Prolog and Perl.
 
> Typing discipline dynamic
:(
 
2:04 PM
@PolymorphicPotato you know this better as various local varieties of whiskey, the main difference is they don't add hops
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes uh oh
 
@BartekBanachewicz A successor (more or less) to SNOBOL. About as impure as you can get, but still quite cool in a lot of ways. cs.arizona.edu/icon/docs/chump.htm
 
The only alcoholic beverage I like is water.
The H2O is a lie.
 
@PolymorphicPotato do you drink soda?
 
2:05 PM
I drink Fanta and Coca-Cola and Spa, mainly.
And I like water and milk as well.
 
because almost all soda contains some tiny amount of alcohol
 
I find coffee, tea, wine and beer all disgusting.
 
I am doing pretty nice on this "learn about a new language every day" goal
> analysis of text
representation of structural relationships
ways of presenting results in an easily understood manner
the last part sounds interesting
 
@Mgetz So does essentially all water. What of it?
 
> Until fairly recently, computer graphics were available only to a few persons who had access to expensive, specialized equipment.
:3
 
2:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Tomorrow learn about Funciton.
 
@JerryCoffin Water is terrible.
It even drowns fish.
 
@JerryCoffin honesty about this fact has lead to government investigations etc. Vermont even had a "sodagate". It's mostly just amusing.
 
> It might seem obvious that a programmer should use the programming language that is best suited for the task at hand. The actual situation is more complicated. No one language is best for all programming tasks. Even for a specific task, there is little agreement about the best language. Furthermore, programmers rarely are skilled in more than a few programming languages, and many programmers only use one, regardless of its appropriateness for a particular problem.
#sotrue
which year am I in now
 
Guns don't kill people. 65% water does.
Now imagine what 100% water can do.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like praying that they don't have to deal with it?
 
2:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You seem to have a spelling error in your reference to dihydrogen monoxide.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @BartekBanachewicz told you after you asked that I poked him... it was polite though :P
@CatPlusPlus did you add, then remove a sub-cat(agory)?
 
I'm not doing anything
 
Another crazy thinks that C shows you how HW works.
 
@Xarn Others think C++ does. Still others assembly language. A few think Verilog or VHDL does. Of course they're all wrong, but what of it?
 
C shows you how hard work fails.
 
2:20 PM
@JerryCoffin Some combination of UBs, problems caused by those and way too pretentious way of writing. Basically good way to have some laughs.
 
> Why use C then if it's so dangerous? Because C gives you power over the false reality of abstraction and liberates you from stupidity.
sigh
 
Anyway, how bad is the mobile client of chat?
 
@LucDanton Because "harmful"
@haccks , come on. Consider when -1 < n < +1 :) — sehe 1 min ago
 
@Xarn very
@sehe oh god reminds me how we tried to get modulo on the negative side working in minicraft
never again
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz don't you?
oops. That was from a long time ago
never mind :p
 
2:24 PM
@sehe Oh, avoiding brigading and the like? I can see that.
 
@Ell no, you don't. You can read code.
 
@Xarn Perhaps instead of laughing at it, you could write something better instead?
 
@CatPlusPlus oh, I thought you two had tried using sub-categories.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and sub-cats start with default permissions?
 
2:31 PM
Yes vOv
 
@BartekBanachewicz what project?
 
Shit that should be done by machines, like inheriting permissions, isn't.
Shit that should not, like deciding my freaking titles are invalid, is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol what?
 
"MOTD" is an invalid title, apparently.
 
Mobile client is horrible, oh god.
 
2:34 PM
lol, it will list a sub-cat, but when I click it, 404
it doesn't exist or is private
 
@Jefffrey potato empires. rightfold is an infinite source of Haskell tips, you just have to be patient with him :P
12 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Xarn very
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know he knows a lot about Haskell ;)
 
@Jefffrey anyway it's nearly playable it's nearly playable!
I'm so psyched actually
 
Congrats :)
 
oh btw, all, I am not sure if I am going to have a partner for the jam
because my flatmate is reluctant to decide
but considering he's partying on saturday, he might not want to after all
 
2:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh, shit.
 
@JerryCoffin I have no interest in teaching C. However, I probably will be doing a series about C++ (me and two of my school mates are becoming fed up with quality of courses taught by our uni and their results) and tbere is exactly one thing I am sure of. It wont start with pretentious bullshit that is objectively wrong. (We are aiming for subjectively wrong. ;-) )
 
> teaching C++
you better be very careful now.
 
Ell
Sorry guys new phone - can you all give my each of your addresses, postcodes, phone numbers, and the last the digits of the number on the back of your credit card? Thanks :)
 
Yeah, madness and stupidity lies there, but at the very worst, it is gonna be fun. (For very specialized meanings of fun)
 
@Xarn sadly, learning good C++ will probably fail your course
 
2:42 PM
@Ell I can give you a CVV for the card that's blocked from internet payment :P
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't know they did that even :P
 
@Ell you're a bad scammer :P
 
Scammers don't care.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's what a scammer would say!
BTW game jam start hour
I was thinking 16-18 UTC
 
2:47 PM
@thecoshman Nah. There is no mandatory course to fail, so we are good there. It is the mostly unrelated courses (ie algos) and bachelor thesis(es?) where the pain is.
 
Germany (137,847 sq mi) is slightly smaller the US State Montana (147,040 sq mi) and has a population of 80 million, whereas Montana has only a population of 1 million. Woah
 
woot, Russia reduced the amount of gas Romania receives by 5% without any sort of explanation
 
I wonder
if there are any plans to add generic variadic tuples to Haskell
 
It doesn't fit.
 
I thought so
but all of the ,,,,,,,,,,,, things are a bit turn-off
 
2:53 PM
Dunno. I never used triples.
RWS has that, but you don't really interact with that part.
 
@TonyTheLion yeah, America is fairly sparse as a whole, I think OZ is even more sparse
> Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve (often referred to as a "cliff")
lol
 
> and a release close to Feburary 2015
Febuary
but it's cooomming
 
@BartekBanachewicz so short :(
 
> Inability to mine ("Diggor Mortis")
dat pun
 
@PolymorphicPotato no the start time. The jam is 4h.
> ohan Tibell is working on a -XStrict language extension that will make GHC compile programs in a by-default strict way.
lol wat
 
2:56 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh nice :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is there anyway to do multiplayer DF?
 
4 hours for a jam
I took 6 hours to not get a proper idea for a game
damn you guys are fast
 
Ell
What do you guys use to sync your contacts?
 
@Ell google
 
@Ell google contacts
 
2:58 PM
you asked this before I am sure
 
Nothing
 
@AlexM. you have to think fast alright
it's best to start with a really small idea and code it right away
if you manage to do it, adding stuff incrementally is easier then (until some point, but you most prolly won't refactor in 4 hours at all)
 
I actually thought of something boss-related but I was hoping to also have the time to do a simplistic 3D art
 
god how do people manage waking up at 7AM every day
 
@CatPlusPlus by doing it everyday
 
2:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why don't we make the jam lasting like a week and at the end of the week we have to present the results. So that we avoid the problem of finding the period of time in which everybody is online?
 
@AlexM. I think I made it way easier by showing the theme upfront TBH
 
yup
 
@CatPlusPlus You do it everyday for 4 days and you are set.
 
@Jefffrey that's quite a radical change
 
maybe I can make my art now, but that would be cheating
 
3:00 PM
So?
 
I think
 
I was thinking about it, but it has weird implications
 
Yeah no that only makes me tired 4 days in a row
 
I mean technically it wouldn't be
because I can use free art from opengameart.org
 
For one, the feel that everyone else is also hacking at the same time is funny
and those random chat messages and screenshots are a part of it for me.
 
3:00 PM
I personally don't care about that really.
 
so to not make it cheating I'd just have to upload my art there
 
@Jefffrey I mean it ceases to be a jam then.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, extend that for a week :)
 
4 hours for what I had in mind in Unity is doable
 
You can always make a game just for yourself.
 
3:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus get up 7am everyday, do not let yourself nap, go to bed at like 11:30 so you can be asleep by 12. Stick to it.
 
@Jefffrey gets less dense :F
 
lol falling asleep in 30 minutes
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz plus, imho, the likelihood is that people won't spend a week on it even if they could
 
@BartekBanachewicz has the time been decided?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You mean like... I do it only with myself or... I don't get it
 
3:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus what?
 
it's on a Sunday so if it starts at 1:00 for me it's a no-go
 
Only happens when I'm absolutely wasted
Otherwise it's 2 hours minimum
 
seriously, what's you sleep schedule like now?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly, it's an unjam.
 
@Jefffrey The jam is about interaction with other people that also participate for a lot of people (including me)
 
3:02 PM
I woke up at 7, I'm dead and falling asleep right now
 
@AlexM. again, I was thinking 16-18 UTC
 
@CatPlusPlus then if you keep yourself awake till 11, you'll have no problem getting to sleep quickly
 
I can't even concentrate on watching stuff
 
I thought the point of a jam was having fun making something in a short period of time and compare the results with the others (as well as play other people's games).
 
@BartekBanachewicz 16 UTC is perfect
 
3:03 PM
And the 1 week idea satisfy every requirement of that.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't care how you do it, keep yourself awake until 11. Hook your nips to the mains if you have to.
 
@Jefffrey except it's always "meh I'll do it tomorrow"
 
That won't help anyway
So w/e
 
@Jefffrey people are terrible, it doesn't work out like that.
 
when you participate in a jam, you reserve 4 hours and no less, no more
 
3:04 PM
@cat and what time did you go to bed last night?
 
1:30 or something
Fell asleep around 3 or 4
 
aka, too late to get up for 7
 
I could see I dunno, a frame that moves a bit, so if you're late an hour then you basically still code for 4 hours
 
It's random
 
@thecoshman America is fairly sparse as a whole, and Montana is fairly sparse even by US standards. OTOH, even that's pretty dense compared to much of Canada. For example, Yukon is an even larger area (183,163 sq mi) and a total population of ~34'000.
 
3:05 PM
but saying "just code a game" will actually make a lot of people not make games :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think it's almost impossible to, let's say, have 1/3 of the room reunited at the same time. Not only we are in different countries with different timezones but we also have radically different sleeping patterns, even within the same timezone.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're right to stick to a common time for all participants. Else it's just some people sort of making stuff sort of at the same time
 
@Jefffrey so how about that; if you can be there on sunday with all of the people that will be here, that's cool, but we can still take entries submitted a bit later.
 
Also 4 hours are maybe ok for a CLI game, but for people that might want to code graphics and audio might not be enough. But at the same time, the more you extend the hours of the "jam", the less people you have all in the same timespan.
 
that's a closed topic already.
 
3:07 PM
@Jefffrey part of the challenge is fighting scope creep
 
we've been over that millions of times
this one is 4 hours, EOT.
 
I wasn't talking about this specific jam. I'm talking in general.
 
@Jefffrey Eh, but that's what the game jam idea is all about.
there are other forms of coding games in an organized way, like One Game A Month
 
I also believe that you are supposed to come in sort of knowing how to do these things. Getting user input from a CLI shouldn't take you two hours
 
I've picked this one just because.
 
3:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No. There are game jams of 48 hours or more and it's not like every participant codes for 48 hours straight or whatever.
 
lol cli
 
@thecoshman scope what
 
@Jefffrey wanting to do too much
@Jefffrey they are also much harder and require more experience and skill than the short ones
 
scope creep... where the scope creeps away from you... you keep taking on more and more features
 
and if you fail, you potentially waste 30 hours of your life, not 4
 
user1804599
3:09 PM
3 hours was plenty of time to write a herding simulator in Befunge.
 
Eh fuck it I can't stay awake
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, as it's a bit of fun, you only fail if you fail at having fun, thus you fail at life. Unless you are doing competitive shit, but fuck that
 
I mean if you want to organize the next one in a different way, I'll gladly pass the hat onto you.
 
@thecoshman You know how you get better at that? By trying it. I know, sounds weird, but I guarantee you that.
 
@CatPlusPlus go walk or something tubsie
 
3:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz There's an hat for organizing jams?
 
Imma walk to my bed
 
@Jefffrey and the robe.
 
@Jefffrey o_0 you are the one saying 4 hours is not enough...
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬
 
There's also a spoon for eyestabbing
 
@thecoshman Yes. Exactly.
 
3:11 PM
seriously, adding more time makes it harder.
 
You hardly stab anything with a spoon.
 
dunno how many times do I have to say that.
 
It's an unjam anyway.
 
@Jefffrey what? You said 4 hours was not enough to do fancy shit, I said you have to learn to cope with scope creep...
you make no sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, it makes it harder if you require X hours straight. It makes it easier if you expand it to the point when everyone expects the other to dedicate a little amount to it.
Saying "let's make a 12 hours jam" and "let's make a unjam in 1 week" is really two very different things.
@thecoshman I agree that you have to learn. And you can learn by trying to do stuff in more than 4 hours.
 
3:13 PM
@Jefffrey that just makes people who can dedicate less time feel worse
with fixed timespan, chances are equal
 
If you feel bad you are dumb.
The point is to have fun, not to win something.
 
Seriously, you sound almost like thephd
 
@Jefffrey build up to those man. Time boxing is a really hard skill to be good at. The bigger the time box, the harder it is to be right. Start small, build up.
 
you really can code games without the jam if you want to
jam is just one form of doing it
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I really don't think anyone will feel bad
 
3:14 PM
lol
 
if you don't like it, I don't see a point in participating
 
And you keep getting there...
 
no I mean it's as simple as that
 
Why do you keep getting defensive?
 
Ell
imho we should do it over a week - that way people can be coding the game when they want and not coding it when they don't
 
3:14 PM
I'm not getting defensive; you keep trying to tell me that the rules are bad for whatever reason
 
Ell
there is less pressure, more people will participate
 
I don't see why you shouldn't make a separate event then.
 
Ell
I'm quite sure that nobody here will get upset if they lose
 
I'm not talking about this game jam, I'm just trying to discuss this idea. Of course I can code a game whenever I like. Of course I can organize my own jam. It's not about that, it's about what's good and/or wrong with the idea. That's all.
 
except I'm saying upfront I won't take part in a week-long jam
 
3:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Because of the principle?
 
@Jefffrey No. Because a) I might feel tired during the week b) I might suddenly get very busy c) I might simply feel like working on something else and don't want to feel pressured d) the project would get too big over the course of the week and maintenance costs start to kick in
 
wat
You are taking it too hard.
 
I like to give it my 100%.
if it's short, I can stay focused for that short time, and then observe the results.
I have other projects that are planned more carefully.
 
Of course, but we all understand that everybody else is in the middle of their life and their appointments and jerking off.
There's like 1200% less pressure than a 4 hours jam.
 
the jam is also about pressure vOv
 
3:18 PM
oh god
 
it is a gamification of gamedev
I don't see why it shouldn't be.
 
Do you keep a list of what "the jam is about"? Can I see it?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz just give it 100% for 4 hours like you would have before
 
@Jefffrey uh, no? I just... feel things, you know.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz the whole point of having it over a week means you can have a break if you're tired, or busy, or feeling like working on something else
 
3:19 PM
@Ell why 4 now?
@Ell I wouldn't be motivated enough to work on a throwaway project
 
The only thing we all agree on is this: the jam is about having fun coding a game. You keep adding rules that make no sense other than "I prefer it like this".
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz because that's how long you want to spend on it?
 
yep. And we had fun like this.
 
... the point ... it's been missed by a @haccks — sehe 15 secs ago
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz they are both throwaway projects :S
 
3:20 PM
You can still have it fun like this.
 
Somebody has to make a decision, otherwise chaos.
 
Also 24h one was an epic failure
 
Game jams are always throwaway projects...
 
also, I agree with the potato here.
 
All projects are throwaway projects.
 
3:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Not necessarily because it was 24h long.
 
I feel that in the long run my arbitrary decisions worked out the best.
So I'm arbitrarily dictating the rules for this one.
 
@sehe everyone, I guess.
Obscure autistic bad joke.
 
if indeed more people will want a long one the next time, sure, go for it.
We can have different kinds of jams
 
@PolymorphicPotato Hi. You noticed me
 
but the sunday one is a 4h one.
starting 1600UTC for now.
 
3:22 PM
Yes, we got it. You are the boss for this one. I get it. This one happens in 4 hours, I get it. If I want I can organize my own jam, I get it. If I want I can code a game without a jam, I get it.
 
@haccks I've been informed that my joke was bad. (Still, you missed it :)) — sehe 10 secs ago
 
okay then. anything else?
 
Yes. Can we change your hair parting?
 
Jefffrey and sehe are both being cryptic today.
 
@thecoshman Other than sucession games, no.
 
3:24 PM
The 4th Game Jam scheduled for 2014-09-14 (Sunday), 16:00 UTC, lasting 4 (four) hours. You can be a bit late if you have to, but the pizza might be gone. May the odds be ever in your favor.
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I'll try to be there.
 
@thecoshman I'd say 116 is what counts there.
 
Ell
I probably won't be there
 
maybe I should invite folks from the JS room too :P
 
As is, what counts as "reasonable time" is unregulated, but further rules can regulate that.
 
3:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why not ;)
 
I dunno, last time I suggested it it was something something it's a lounge event not SO one
I think it could be fun to bring the worlds together
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am appealing to your authority
 
wait, appeal is not the right word here
 
You are the boss, remember?
 
@Jefffrey a smart king listens to his counselors :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes do I invite the JS room to participate in the jam too?
I'd like to get a bit more feedback on that
 
3:34 PM
Given that the only reason not to is because of some kind of nationalism or racism?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what that?
 
@Jefffrey "a closed party"
dunno
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how so?
 
Yeah, that was the excuse hitler used.
 
3:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz If they want to join, why not.
 
@thecoshman The game passes hands, each player in turn has some alloted time to play their way.
 
Wait... Nevermind.
 
9 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
As is, what counts as "reasonable time" is unregulated, but further rules can regulate that.
Also, forum :)
@jalf do you know if the Middelgrundsfortet, Flakfortet and Trekroner Søfort are open to the public?
 
@Jefffrey I think he called them chambers
 
3:46 PM
I'm the backs
 
4 messages moved to recycle bin
Kinda noisy, don't ya think?
 
you're kinda noisy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Umm, never been to (or even heard about, tbh) Middelgrundsfortet, but from a brief look, that one doesn't seem to be. The other two are though
 
ahh partial signatures coming in 7.10
:3
can't wait
 
@jalf Gee, you're Danish! You must know everything about Denmark.
Oh.
> As of 2014, it is on the market for around £12M
Shit.
 
3:53 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes--better lighting or a sensor with larger sensor wells would help reduce the noise a lot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too much on your budget?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had a Danish for breakfast. Does that count?
 
@JerryCoffin Surely you mean larger sprouts.
Potatoes don't have sensors.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes planning a tour of danish naval forts for your next vacation? :p
 
Nah, just looking around.
For now.
 
3:58 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you know? Maybe those poor potatoes were (in their own way) screaming in terror before you subjected them to the cruel and inhumane treatment of cooking and eating. Terrorist!
 
@jalf I ended up in a well of wikipedia articles about islands and got curious.
The North Jutlandic Island (Danish: Nørrejyske Ø), Vendsyssel-Thy, or simply Jutland north of the Limfjord (Jylland nord for Limfjorden) are lesser-used names for the northernmost part of Denmark and of Jutland. It is more common to refer to the three traditional districts Vendsyssel, Hanherred and Thy. Although the area is separated from mainland Jutland by the Limfjord, it is traditionally regarded as a part of Jutland rather than an island. Geographically, it is the second largest island of Denmark after Zealand (excluding Greenland) with a population of 296,700 on 1 January 2014. Danes rarely...
I find the history of this fascinating for some reason.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Another you might find interesting (I did/do, anyway): spbmuseum.ru/themuseum/museum_complex/peterpaul_fortress/…
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh, I never realized that's an island :D
 
this guy's music is amazing
 
@EtiennedeMartel kinda :)
 
4:09 PM
also fuck that video, it's not loud enough
 
@jalf It's like you're living in the eighteenth century! :P
 
heh
 
I like how you folks bridged everything together to the mainland.
 
4:25 PM
is cold pizza a thing?
 
@TonyTheLion depends on the pizza really
 
ugh, someone told me about what they think is a bug and it's so basic
my unit tests didn't cover this case
I'll go sit in a corner in shame now
 
@BartekBanachewicz I suppose
 
in other news, I got access to assembla and I'm supposed to manage the tasks pertaining to the library, so fun
there was no sarcasm there, I actually like it
 
<insert cat quote here>
lol
 
4:34 PM
> Seg Fult ussing string Pointer
 
4:46 PM
Wrist pain seems to be gone.
 
I wish I could assume everyone on the internet could use JS.
That would make web dev almost bearable.
 
> Cross-browser compatibility? Load this motherfucker in IE6. I fucking dare you.
love it
 
I like the attribution in the last quote.
 
4:58 PM
@Jefffrey I wish I could assume nobody on the Internet would use JS (and that JS didn't exist at all). Oh well.
 
Yeah, good luck making non-trivial web application where any kind of input different from "send this form" and "click this link" is needed.
 

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