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wait
did they change font?
Xeo
Xeo
@LucDanton That's from where I originally stumbled upon the Liquid Haskell page
on SO I mean
@BartekBanachewicz What about the game jam?
I’ve always put refinement asides but I think I’m starting to get it.
Xeo
Xeo
Ugh, I should sleep
Buddy stopping by tomorrow for some anime fun.
g'night
00:09
Need more opinions on bikeshedding. Do you guys think ns::vector::function(x, y) or ns::function(x, y) are better for 'free' functions for a mathematical vector class?
ns::function
I guess it depends on what this function actually does
It also depends on how large the project is
@Jefffrey distance, lerp, dot, angle_between, etc.
As in introducing an inner namespace specifically for those?
no, as a static function inside the class.
oh
ns::function(x, y) all the way
00:12
yeah
I thought you meant namespaces
nah, ns:: is the namespace, vector:: is the class :p
ns::vector::dot(vector, vector) is kinda silly :p
mmk
00:12
imo too
I tend to introduce static member functions in select situations. E.g. some forms of construction/conversion (text::from_utf7(…)). Mathematical operations is not one of those cases.
what are you gonna do when it comes to vector * matrix? put it in both classes? :S
I only ask because everyone else seems to do them as static functions.
@LucDanton I see you do the from_* idiom thing.
I remember discussing it here and someone dismissed it as stupid. It might have been puppy, but he hates everything.
I don't like it either.
I like them.
They're a nice readable alternative to constructors when needed.
00:15
Mostly because I believe in the "every function should be a verb" silly thing and also because I'd rather see a to_something other than from_something. Especially in C++. In Haskell it may make sense to have fromSomething, though.
I’m equally happy with text_from_utf7(…), but not just from_utf7(…)—it would convey the impression that the operation is somehow polymorphic, when it isn’t. Eh, it’s a sorta fuzzy distinction.
optional<T>::make would make sense as a form of construction, but it’s not as convenient as the deducible make_optional either.
Right, it’s mot so much that it’s construction or not but the fact that there is no instance. So the user has to supply the type, via name and/or access (::).
Ell
Ell
Hi
@LucDanton Is there a c++ literal like "Hello World"_utf7;
@CaptainGiraffe Why would somebody want UTF-7 (which has been obsolete for...forever). You can get a UTF-8 literal with u8"xxx" though.
00:25
What on earth prompted you to write utf7?
@JerryCoffin You can?
@Jefffrey Yes (can't remember if it's in C++11, but it is in 14).
@JerryCoffin Was UTF7 ever a thing? Thats like saying 6 bit ascii is the way to go
@JerryCoffin Appears to be C++11
@CaptainGiraffe Yes, there was a UTF-7. Long dead and gone though.
00:27
@CaptainGiraffe It’s a good joke.
@JerryCoffin I'll keep a dandelion in my pocket, just in case i see its grave.
There never was such a thing as "6-bit ASCII" though. ASCII started out as a 7-bit code. There were quite a few 6-bit character codes before ASCII though (I used some on Control Data mainframes).
Last time I used UTF-9, so I’m mixing it up a little.
It’s about the only arcane encoding I can remember without looking it up, unlike say the Chinese ones.
Is this implementation defined? As opposed to this being guaranteed to work?
I see, whooshes were released but not flying well.
@Jefffrey Last I read, none of those are compliant. I.e. implementation defined.
00:32
Seriously guys, isn't SO's font smaller?
I'm going blind then
Control+0.
Don't tell me you're not in control.
[Ctrl] - + [Ctrl] - -
Yes, the "zoom" is at 100%.
First thing I checked.
00:34
What the fuck are you smoking?
I'm holding a camera and I'm telling you the zoom is set to 100%.
What the fuck are you smoking?
The vaping liquid turned illegal in my country 2 weeks ago. Now I'm back to regular Marlboros
Gaseous cum.
I'm talking about the percentage you get on the top right corner when you press cmd and + or cmd and -.
It's the percentage of the text in chrome.
50% is half the normal height of the text, for example.
cmd, you have an appleII box?
00:37
wat
why apple II?
It had a CMD button, I found it funny. No other reason.
I have an apple laptop of 2010 and it still has the cmd button
I have a Windows key on my linux computer. It wasn't nearly as funny as I thought it would be.
00:52
well well well
what do we have here
ahaha
I love the immutable "To" list on the "private reply" section
Anyway, suck it
(not really)
I guess informing people that debugging is a critical programming skill is a bad thing to do nowadays; no wonder the new generation is so lazy
2
where is everyone?
Ell
Ell
Idk
dead
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You forgot to censor the signature.
@Rapptz oh, whoops
bah
sorry Jon
lol
it's no biggie
Probably not, but since it's a private message I thought it would be courteous to at least mask the sender. The content itself seems generic enough to freely post in isolation.
I'd be pretty pissed, even if just on principle, if I sent someone a message with the understanding that it were between the two of us, and the content were then publicly posted along with the fact that I had sent it
Maybe that's just me
01:07
depends I guess
I still haven't bought any fucking onions
@Rapptz Reminds me of those pictures where people censor their body parts but they still appear in a mirror.
wouldn't it be cool if you could alias member names?
struct t { int x; using y = x; };
01:09
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol.
@PolymorphicPotato heh yeah
t test; test.y = 10; // same as test.x = 10
@Rapptz That looks super useful
@Rapptz Unions!
too UB prone :v
01:10
struct t { int x; int& y; t() : y(x) {} }; except sorry about needing tthe ctor
but yeah, why?
hmmm
hmm.... struct t { int x; int& y = x; }; since C++11??
Or use Haskell: data T = T { _x :: Int }; $(makeLenses ''T); y = x.
neat trick
I thought it wouldn't work for some reason.
01:13
Oh. It doesn't break when you add a constructor: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/8e5a0c1b92e07e72
This is actually really cool.
I still don't see the use of it
> considered harmful
haha how'd I miss this beautifully stupid comment
01:17
I read that as "I always wanted a nigger."
how?
You need to get your eyes checked wrongfold.
No idea.
It's late.
haha wrongfold
we're through the looking glass now
Oh whoa.
It's 9 PM
That means this chat is going to die in an hour.
I'm sorry.
I'll sleep within an hour or so.
01:20
I want a lollipop.
Ik wil een lolipop.
I was watching anime a few days ago.
And this scene popped up:
great scene
stupid Google+.
and my friend spent a good 10 minutes laughing
Quarified?
lmao yeah
01:24
Which anime was that?
'The Q in class Q stands for QUARIFIED'
@StackedCrooked Tantei Gakuen Q
Oh, qualified. Took me a while.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If you got that message after moaning about the pathetically low standard of debugging skills demonstrated by so many questions daily, I guess I'll be the next one to get a nice, friendly moderator message.
@Rapptz I like the last sentence.
I started rewatching Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki.
@Rapptz Pierro production. I liked their work on Twelve Kingdoms.
01:28
Yeah.
I should watch Yu Yu Hakusho.
Yu Yu Hakusho is pretty good.
I'm not sure why
but it's the only shounen that actually provoked the anger emotion the MC usually feels for me
at least the early episodes anyway
@jeffffey either Saturday or Sunday evening
I'm so drumj
Yh
Hoqv I gervti vdd
Xeo
Xeo
Jeez at all the drunkards in here
01:46
Not to mention the insomniacs.
Xeo
Xeo
@LucDanton *cough*
oh come on chat
wtf
Xeo
Xeo
why doesn't \**cough*\* work. *cough*
@xeo who's the other one?
01:48
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Chat is always dead at around 10 PM EST weekends + Friday.
> Today marks the release of Intel’s latest update to its Extreme processor line with a trio of Haswell-E models including Intel’s first consumer socketed 8-core product. source
Xeo
Xeo
okay, only escaping the first asterisk works
Good morning.
Xeo
Xeo
*_cough_*
**cough**
Xeo
Xeo
01:48
but not if you mix asterisks and underscores
sigh
@MarkGarcia it's happening! but 3GHz and $999 kinda sucks :/
Xeo
Xeo
@melak47 raw GHz doesn't matter that much for highly concurrent usage
@MarkGarcia 8-core? nice!
@Rapptz hadn't noticed tbh
@Xeo but not everything is highly concurrent
Xeo
Xeo
01:50
Then don't get an 8-core CPU
@melak47 It's still 22nm I think, so there's no significant increase in thermal headroom.
We need dodecacores. A c12, if you will.
Xeo
Xeo
@LucDanton Now I wanna build a cluster whose processors represent a carbon-y molecule
HD VERIFIED.
I don't even know why I'm on this page.
That jump from $583 to $999 seems too much.
01:53
intel's extreme lineup is always $999
The $389 is sweet.
Dump your girlfriend and go for the $999 CPU :P
at least you won't be cold :)
I E is iejf
Xeo
Xeo
01:56
guy, go to bed and come back when you're sober and / or able to type properly
Seriously, how dumb is it to be so drunk that you can't even type legible sentences anymore.
I KNow rith?
@Xeo I want that chip. Compiling takes too long both my FX-8350 and my i7-4770K.
But given that I'm gonna be building a Skylake machine probably this time next year, I can't really justify it.
Believe it or not, the FX-8350 @ stock compiles about as fast as my i7 4770K @ 4.0 GHz.
Mostly because the AMD chip has 8 integer cores while the Intel one only has 4.
@Xeo He got one free drink seven hours ago. I guess it's still in his system.
What are you guys talking about?
Banana Chewits
#3Hack starting fun - lighting bracelet and a free drink :) @3HACKPL http://t.co/tSp66pvW3l
02:07
Weird
> DDR4 modules are also a slightly different shape whereby the middle pins of the memory are longer than those on the outside.
02:18
@Mysticial I'm still on a 2600K ._.
but $999 for the CPU, and DDR4 ain't cheap either...
Xeo
Xeo
I got a 4690k and I'm happy with that
user3010322
Need a compile-time pow.
Xeo
Xeo
oh fuck, 4:20am
I need sleep
user3010322
Guess I can do it with templates.
user3010322
@Xeo You probably do.
02:21
@ThePhD constexpr
user3010322
Nyeh. Don't wanna risk it with MSVC.
user3010322
Will just make templated pow
30 secs ago, by ThePhD
Nyeh. Don't wanna risk it with MSVC.
lol msvc
but you're willing to try templates ?:v
user3010322
02:22
It's not a variadic template, or complicated.
user3010322
Therefore, it works.
Xeo
Xeo
Try telling that to the robot
Templates are easy... doing that with macros would be hard
@melak47 Adding it up, I figure that 8-core Haswel build would be about 2.5k USD.
@Mysticial for you maybe. I don't need 128GB RAM c:
Xeo
Xeo
02:24
Okay. Sleep. How did that work again...
1k for CPU, $900 for 64GB DDR4 + $100 for a usable video card + all the extra shit.
@Xeo I think you start with turning off the computer
I'd also want to put an SSD into it. That's another few hundred... Probably close 3k actually.
@Mysticial Anandtech's build is $7080...
Xeo
Xeo
@Mysticial "few hundred" for an SSD?
What do you want to put in there, 1TB?!
02:25
@MarkGarcia irk
@Xeo 500 at least.
Well, the cheap 8-core build is $1815.
Xeo
Xeo
@melak47 Blasphemy. My PC knows no "off" - only sleep. :D
If Skylake follows the same pricing trend, my build next year will probably be 1.5k-ish.
user3010322
@Mysticial I want a 500 GB SSD. :<
user3010322
02:27
Or a 1 TB SSD. :<
Most of the cost will be in the RAID controllers. Since that box is gonna inherit all 16 of my computational swap drives.
am I glad I don't have your requirements :E
Xeo
Xeo
Alright, time to sleep for realz. Nighty night.
night
night
only problem with the intel extreme cpus is that they barely drop in price no matter how long you wait ._.
02:28
I want/need the CPU power so I don't have to wait 1 minute for a full compile.
And given how well VS can parallelize compilation (if i disable LTO), the 8 core will be nice.
do you think they'll do another "enthusiast" 8 core with Broadwell?
If Skylake stays on schedule, I think they might just skip it.
Quite frankly, I don't care about Broadwell. I want Skylake.
Broadwell's mostly about power improvements.
@Mysticial do you know something I don't? :)
AVX-512 are 512-bit extensions to the 256-bit Advanced Vector Extensions SIMD instructions for x86 instruction set architecture proposed by Intel in July 2013, and scheduled to be supported in 2015 with Intel's Knights Landing processor. AVX-512 consists of multiple extensions not all meant to be supported by all processors implementing them. Only the core extension AVX-512F (AVX-512 Foundation) is required by all implementations. The instruction set consists of the following: AVX-512 Foundation – expands most 32-bit and 64-bit based AVX instructions with EVEX coding scheme to support 512-bit...
02:36
figures
AVX512 is a big "fuck you" to lazy programmers. :P
user3010322
02:52
Mmm.
user3010322
2 ^ 0 is always 1, right?
user3010322
I ain't trippin
yes.
No, it's 2.
user3010322
q<26, 6> qheight;
user3010322
03:06
@Rapptz ^ The Q format is up and going. :3c
congrats on your cruddy format
:v
user3010322
Hey, it's not just me.
user3010322
FreeType has FT_26Dot6
user3010322
Fixed precision decimals are p. sweet.
noobs! All of you
03:13
lol, somebody got serially flagged in the LQ queue.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well I'll be
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That immutable To list is so we don't miss out on some of the fun responses we get to our messages
Strange why your own name appears in there though
@BoltClock Lots of profanity and personal threats?
@Mysticial and then some
In their defense, it's completely private. They can say anything they want and we promise never to tell anyone else unless they do it themselves
We never promised not to silently point and laugh though ;)
user3010322
03:20
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wait, you blocked out the top, but you left the name in the bottom half? o.0
Yeah he knows. It's not a big deal though
-90
Q: Evaluating the risks of allowing teen moderators on the SE network

user774411I have a David vs Goliath case here involving a teen moderator on Stack Overflow. His display name is BoltClock. I'm a low reputation SO user (less than 150 points) who was recently suspended for Voting Irregularities by BoltClock. Eventually the mistake was corrected by another non-teen moderat...

Not a big deal at all
@BoltClock good stuff
any one want to help make a game ?
@BoltClock thought ever since minitech joined moderation, a lot of pressure has came off your side as long as age is concerned
@BoltClock A decade from now and some new guys who read that question would still think you're still a teen.
03:24
.....
How much does it pay?
Nothing, that's why only kids do it
user3010322
I wonder how I should
once it starts selling you will be making good money, im still trying to get this company off the ground.
user3010322
let people set raw data into this thing...
03:26
I let you off the hook because I am not in the mood to make fun of dumb newblets today
i am actually trying to get something going here, not only for me but for every one involved in this project.
also not going to the bushwalk this weekend - not feeling in the top shape & also ill-prepared ... I really wanted to, but should have been more organized
@daniel You're asking the laziest people when it comes to gamedev.
we are lazy towards things that has little chance to be very rewarding
... i dont think every one here is lazy, dont speak for others
03:29
Then see for yourself. ;)
Honestly, though, there's not much of a pitch there
well if you ever change your minds just let me know
there is a game jam happening so very often in this lounge, they are open source, you can always 'borrow' some code
Information I've gathered... you're asking for someone to help you make a game. That means you have an idea for a game. There's no pay, you're trying to get the company off the ground.
@BoltClock Haha you should set up a website and anonymously post some to it ;P
which reminds me.... I still haven't done anything with codesuppository.com :/
03:32
i am actually just asking for a little help, i can program the game my self which i have been doing but it would be nice to have a extra pair of helping hands to make things a little easier than a one man team
Do you need help for a particular problem I might find interesting?
the main problem im facing currently is its such a huge build, me being the only person making it, im having trouble keeping up with all the code my self
if its any hel, it programmed in c++
Okay, absolute first question... do you have a CM system?
*help
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A: C++ how to call Base class method from multiple derived class?

intrepidsWhen applying the concept of inheritance and an extended child class from a parent class, the child class gets all the attributes and methods of the parent class other than its own methods. That is why then that is what we must do in the main program (main) instantiate an object of the class and ...

lolwut
03:37
sort of, but still in a planing stage of it, like i said im still trying to get every thing off the ground here, and its a lot to do by myself.
@HWalters if you want we can skype and discuss the engine further
Not sure I'm that interested in the engine per se... I've "helped" people with games before, but the situation was very specific. I'm just poking around to see how organized you are...
i have basic layouts of the engines design, i just did them up in xmind nothing special but still pretty organised.
If you have a code base you need to put it into some CM system... git's freely available. Put it on github and make it open source and you might find volunteers easily.
i made them a few months ago, probally need some updating, but not much
I'm confused... do you have any code?
poor taste
poor tomalak
life must not being going well
i have some, so far built in cross platform windowing system(Windows, Mac, Linux, IOS, android), basic GUI system, world viewer for basic map making, still working on it, it also currently supports 2d game making, 2.5d game making, and 3d game making
how many classes do you have so far
15 classes
also has support for gamepads on all OS
OS's
what sort of language/technology are you using for ios/android
03:53
Android c++ with NDK, and IOS c++ with UIKit.
both supporting OpenGL ES
for audio im using OpenAL
...
Sorry, I drifted off and my short attention span is now on time zones
kk
im just eating pocky
@chmod711telkitty you still there?
....... Echo echo echo.....
sorry for IOS i meant to say cocoa, had my mind on html game im debugging at the moment
05:01
@Xeo I decided to go for simplicity instead of performance. Can you believe that? :)
void RunInParallel(Action& action,upL_t si,upL_t ei,int priority){
    //  Runs an action for all indicies [si, ei) in parallel in new threads.
    std::vector<std::unique_ptr<Thread>> threads;
    for (; si < ei; si++){
        threads.emplace_back(new Thread(priority,action,si));
    }
}
"Thread" is the non-moveable, non-copyable object. On destruction, it joins the thread. So the method will block until all the threads are done.
usually simplicity is performance, A+
(=
@Mysticial Wait. You're becoming more and more Googley. No moves! No copies! newed pointers everywhere!
:P
rams are cheap nowadays
also new everywhere is the java/C# style
@Mysticial why would you want a non movable thread? :/
05:16
@melak47 The parameters to the thread are stored in that object. The thread will access it directly.
So once the thread is created, you can't safely move the object until the thread finishes.
std::thread seams to manage fine :v
I can easily make it movable by putting a level of indirection between the Thread object and the parameters. But that kinda defeats the whole purpose of trying to avoid the allocation.
So I decided that anything that needs a movable Thread will just use std::unique<Thread>.
And example that posted above is the only place where I needed a movable thread: namely std::vector<>.
hey guys im heading off, but if any one is interested in helping with the engine i will be on later with a link to download the cod, anyways cya
*code
This is useful: ctrlq.org/save
06:15
farm country Australia - no funding for universities but has $244 million in funding to revive, via the states, funding for the school chaplaincy program which was struck down by the High Court in June.
so basically government wants to dumb people down, then make them to believe in certain god
06:32
wtf - nsfw
some idiot stole my underwear
7
what kind of shit is this
@AlexM. clean
07:27
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Q: Prior art for US patent application 20140196008 'IMMUTABLE OBJECT TYPES '

guesthttp://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2014/0196008.html "At least some embodiments described herein relate to a language extension that advances safety in system programming. In accordance with the language extension, an entire type may be declared to be immutable in the case in which all instances ...

> Assignee: MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Redmond, WA, US)
lol
wtf? Are MS basically trying to patent all of computer science?
well look at their new surface ads too
they seem to try to reach new lows
microsoft is still 10+ times better than apple IMO - for a developer/tech entrepreneur that is
that number seems random
if I had to choose between someone patenting products like crazy and someone patenting CS like crazy
I'd choose the guys patenting products

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