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2:00 PM
Wait, there's more complex licensing terms inside the subdirectories?
 
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Uh oh...
 
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> Building Pango from source can at times be a difficult process
 
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Yay.
 
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OH GOOD MINGW LIBRARIES
 
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Well fuck rub it in more that I haven't finished moving my code over to g++
 
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2:03 PM
Shit.
 
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2:16 PM
> This is because CJK characters are very complex drawings and must be rendered using handcrafted bitmaps to be legible at small sizes. Such bitmap glyphs simply look ugly adjacent to antialiased Latin glyphs.
 
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Lol, get fucked CJK.
 
shog9 is still sleeping
 
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well.
 
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Since Text Rendering is so hard, what I'm going to do is just make a FreeTypeRasterFontLoader
 
2:26 PM
Jam today or tomorrow
 
If I were him, I would choose Friday night drinking to moderating you too ... just saying ...
 
Xeo
no jam for me
anime evening today, D&D tomorrow
 
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That way I can just keep replying on my RasterFont for the time being, since it works.
 
I want pancakes with jam.
 
2:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz next week if we don't have enough people
 
@PolymorphicPotato x 2
 
right now I'm learning how to use Emscripten. It's all cool but that opengl stuff creeps me out =\
wanna have std graphics library ='(
(which is called I/O now)
 
@Abyx herb does too, well 2d anyway (iirc)
 
Jun 22 '12 at 15:19, by Cicada
I'd marry the one who makes a language as fast as C, powerful as C++, and goodlooking as C#
 
you are here and Moderateur is gone again ...
 
2:39 PM
Groan... "you can code perfectly fancy C++ without any virtual functions. "/"So no polymorphism? "
 
Sigh, if I link my SO profile to LinkedIn then I look like a moron
 
Hahahaha. +28 for this answering this ridiculous question. People who don't understand terminals?
 
Cause dolan shows up in the middle of my description
such professionalism
 
@dolan Independent of your SO rankings
@dolan Erm. Professionals are allowed to have fun and hobbies, even
 
yes you would ... 13 yo with linkedin profile ...
 
2:41 PM
@sehe You hurt me little heart!
@sehe Alright then it's staying
 
@chmod711telkitty Erm, that's its age on the internets. You're confusing real life with internets again
 
not if you link your SO profile to your linkedin profile, then on your SO profile says that you are 13 yo ...
 
@dolan I mean, even for the coffins linking ones SO profile is prone to making us look like morons :/
 
@sehe 240k though ;_;
 
right ... I will make my unused site as my blog again & link it here ...
I am paying $25 a month for it and it's not used
 
2:46 PM
hahahaha. who needs content anyways
 
Blogue
 
yiz.com.au it is ... currently unregistered ...
meaning I have to install wordpress there & register the domain for 5 years
will get it done soon ...
@sehe out of curiosity, you were not the clone attack troll by any chance, were you ... just checking ...
 
translate: mais bien sur que non
 
@sehe lol
 
3:03 PM
there are actually 2 community managers sitting in this chat, what have you guys done?
 
what's a community manager
 
@Jefffrey an employee with too many responsibilities
 
Stackexchange employee ... like moderators but with more power
 
5 hours ago, by sehe
@chmod711telkitty you're still here, right :)
 
I've avoided annoying the community managers by sucking up to them when prompted?
 
3:06 PM
You tell us
 
A sneeze attack that shoots energy at your opponent called Hachoouken.
@ThePhD you here?
 
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Huh?
 
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What's up?
 
PUNS :D
 
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...
 
user3010322
3:08 PM
You're filthy. D:
 
ooooh and you're gorgeous
 
@Borgleader "Differences in attitudes and ideas are terrible. Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong": The Pup.
 
I disagree.
 
Stack overflow.
 
3:24 PM
why aren't explicit constructors the default?
 
@Abyx I'm not here next weekend
@Abyx lol
@Puppy you're wrong
 
no you're wrong
 
no you're wrong
 
no you're wrong
 
no your wrong
 
3:27 PM
time to write some code
 
code
 
I hav ghc 7.8
shit's getting real
 
can you do Matrix 3 3 yet?
 
Know your wrong
 
would that be as well as your right and your left?
 
3:30 PM
@Jefffrey hm?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Matrix 3 3 being the type.
 
so 3 being a literal evaluating to type?
 
as in: matrix :: Matrix 3 3
 
Dunno, what about meta-succ?
 
Just like template<std::size_t M, std::size_t N>. I always forget what are they called.
 
3:32 PM
Matrix (Succ (Succ (Succ (Zero)))
@Jefffrey non-type template parameters
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's that?
 
but haskell doesn't have them.
 
Matrix (Suck (Suck (Suck (Eggs)))
 
@Jefffrey an idea how to create something like that :P
Well if you want stuff like that you could take a look at Idris
in Idris you can write stuff like addToVector :: a -> Vec a n -> Vec a (n+1), n being the size
 
Epigram, Idris. What's next? Elixer?
ITT Bartek envies the legacy of rightfold
 
3:36 PM
@Jefffrey also that article
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey I think there's Matrix '3 '3 as a possibility, with type-level nats built into GHC
 
@Jefffrey and before you ask "type level nats" are pretty much what I wrote, except I forgot it's typically called Nat
 
@Xeo IIRC it was terrible to work with them and you couldn't extract the second 3.
 
I don't think it's a terribly useful feature if you don't want to use dependent typing anyway
 
3:39 PM
Except when it's a terribly useful feature for matrix libraries, for example.
Yes, I consider matrix sizes in the type necessary for any decent matrix library.
 
I am not doing a lot on matrices so I don't know.
mat2/3/4 are pretty much everything I ever need.
 
@chmod711telkitty did you need me?
if so shoot the frog
 
@BartekBanachewicz horrible web page.
@AlexM. now the thief is wearing it while fapping.
 
3:59 PM
@PolymorphicPotato true
 
lol
couldn't figure out why my test kept failing.
turns out I accidentally wrote it to return success in both conditions.
 
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Ugh.
 
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My tools are retarded.
 
I have to reinstall Platform again
sigh
 
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I want to have use the command to refactor all the implementation into a Source File.
 
4:04 PM
means rebuilding every dependency again
thank god this machine is faster
 
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But it only recognizes the source file if it's A) named the same as the header file and B) in the same directory.
 
> Why is it I can use C++ code in a library and call from a C program. How does that work?
 
that's pretty dumb; most C++ projects separate their source into /include and /lib
 
Hey Barturk is has that game jam already started
 
@Puppy it kept failing because it never failed?
 
4:08 PM
@PolymorphicPotato no
 
When will it?
 
we apparently couldn't set up a time because everone is undecided
 
@sehe To be more accurate, it should have failed because I didn't implement the functionality it was supposed to test yet.
 
let's do it tomorrow
 
so when it succeeded I was like, "WTF?"
 
4:09 PM
oh for gods sake
 
Whokay!
Time to pick a programming language then.
 
goodbye 31GB VM
how the hell did that grow so big
 
@PolymorphicPotato I'll update the page
let's say 20-24 CEST
I think it will be 19-23 for most of you
 
> Barturk
chuckle
 
4:13 PM
hmm
 
@BartekBanachewicz disk or RAM? Also: evil windows
 
I wonder what exact content people are looking for from parser errors.
 
@sehe disk
 
or maybe they're just not hard enough to justify a lot of content.
 
@Puppy magic fairy dust
 
4:13 PM
@Puppy in any sane language a file name and a line number is enough.
 
perhaps "Expected X, Y, or Z after W at location U" will be sufficient.
 
@PolymorphicPotato haha. no message?
 
Python does it and it works fine!
 
GAME JAM UPDATE: I've picked this sunday evening (2014-08-31, 1800-2200 UTC) for now. If it doesn't fit, message me ASAP.
cc @Jefffrey @Abyx @Ell
 
fine by me
 
the upside of that is that I can auto-generate the errors.
 
@Puppy Yup, that's the idea. I personally hate the "I expected this" because it generally shows just the confusion of the parser. I'd say "unexpected XXX" there, unless you specifically require interpunction, or only a single token class is valid. Most often, pointing at the context is easier for humans (in a decent grammar)
 
I can do both.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no worries, she usually lets me know before entering
 
I have the last token position, the bad token, and the list of expected tokens
 
4:16 PM
Beh I hoped DGD would be more useful, but it's mostly just runtime with some persistence features and a rudimentary Telnet implementation
 
@Puppy Don't! See what you think gives most valuable information. More != better
 
@sehe I am going to gather those and send them to your kids when they are old enough to understand.
 
right.
 
Guess I can switch to C# and not lose much
 
I might go with just "Unexpected X at location Y after Z at location W."
 
4:17 PM
@sehe sell them for experiments
 
I prefer stating what the unexpected thing was. I think it makes much more sense, especially if it's possible that you screwed up something other than what the parser specifically detected as out-of-place, in which case you want to know where in your REAL code the problem is, not what the parser thinks should go in the code that isn't at all what you meant to write (which is useless).
Alas many newbies can't grok "unexpected" as a useful thing.
 
It will be hard to let them go
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But they will appreciate how much better humans are at gleaning the error from context than the parser can ever be
 
Print "YOU SUCK" for every line preceding the error
main.wide:1: YOU SUCK
main.wide:2: YOU SUCK
main.wide:3: YOU SUCK
main.wide:4: YOU SUCK
main.wide:5: expected you to not suck
11
 
@CatPlusPlus Better: std::cout << "\a"; when you start compilation, and std::cout << "\a"; again in case of an error. Any competent programmer can deduce the error location based on the delay between the two.
 
4:23 PM
Play "womp womp womp"
 
Make the compiler require OpenAL and 5.1+ setup
 
@TonyTheLion I want that, but with slim bezel monitors
 
@Borgleader Yep, me too
 
@TonyTheLion I want that but holy shit why so many icons burn them all WITH FIRE.
 
4:25 PM
but i would clean the hell out of that desktop, too many icons
 
Problem is getting good slim bezel monitors
 
lol using desktop
 
@TonyTheLion lol and that fucking wireless mouse and terrible keyboard
 
lol bartek
 
lol Windows
 
4:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz sits down
 
I couldn't fit more screens on my desk physically
I think it might collapse from the sheer weight
 
@Puppy mine has lots of icons on it too, but not that many
@Borgleader lel
I need to switch to my desktop
upgrade that mofo
 
my GF's screen is particularly heavy
 
and get lots of monitors
so I can be forever a nerd
 
s/'s screen//
 
4:27 PM
@TonyTheLion That gives you a life-like view. Then you need good speakers for life-like sound. Anything to cover up the fact that all you have is life-like, not a real life.
 
@JerryCoffin hihihi
btw the party yesterday was amazing
 
@JerryCoffin accurate :)
 
I think I wrote a lot of things here while drunk
 
i only have one column of icons
 
I accidentally started VS2012 instead of 2013
 
4:29 PM
@Borgleader Mirror's Edge <3
I have my left screen pivoted
 
@BartekBanachewicz You didn't "write". You "wronged".
 
@CatPlusPlus ooh I forgot about that song
 
@CatPlusPlus I hate it when that happens. All that time wasted
 
@CatPlusPlus vs?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't fit. From 17:00 to 21:00 I need to go pick someone at the airport. If everybody else is fine with the time period, then leave it like that. I'll do my best to make something.
 
4:31 PM
This is my beautiful desktop that I literally never see for more than 15 seconds
 
And the icon is there just because it's less effort to leave it there
:v
 
Yeah I don't remember why
 
I don't remember what's on my wallpaper
 
4:33 PM
Shoulda picked English vOv
 
@CatPlusPlus just black? How boring.
 
some picture I think
@TonyTheLion lol "boring"
wallpapers are useless crap anyway
 
I keep useful things in the foreground
 
That reminds me I need to change my wallpaper
 
A piece of screen that shows desktop is a wasted space
 
4:34 PM
if you use your screen as a picture frame then lol at you
 
maybe I'll put some tits up this time
 
@CatPlusPlus Do you always keep every surface in your house full with stuff on it?
 
Yes because it's literally the same thing
 
Not really, no
 
4:35 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're literally butt
 
I don't use desktop, I don't miss desktop, I don't need desktop
 
You're aesthetically retarded, Cat.
 
he's pragmatic
in this case I agree that wallpapers are fucking useless
 
Yes my editor is also very ugly~~~~
I don't care about wallpapers because I'll never see them
 
So when you're not doing anything you just leave some arbitrary application fullscreen?
 
4:36 PM
When I'm not doing anything where
 
well okay I now have a generic MacBook Pro wallpaper on my yoga just to mess with people
 
@CatPlusPlus On your computer screen
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're sitting, staring at the screen, doing nothing?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes obviously
 
If I'm not using anything, then I'm probably not using the computer at all
 
4:37 PM
that really fucking doesn't happen for me, but maybe I'm weird.
 
Otherwise it's probably idle Internet browsing or whatever
 
@CatPlusPlus Right, but it's still there
 
Chat is on right screen most of the time
 
Maybe you turn your monitor off fastidiously
 
I don't bother minimizing anything when I'm idle no
 
4:38 PM
But then you effectively have a boring all-black wallpaper in your office
Better to make it pretty
Also gives a sense of closure to whatever activity you just completed
 
The only time I see desktop is when I do fresh boot
That's for 15 seconds until everything starts up
And like once every month or so
 
@Jefffrey fuck
 
Firefox is my default background
 
I also don't have any flowers in my flat oh noooooooooooooooooo
At least I think
That'd be weird
 
4:42 PM
I don't have flowers or plants
 
There's a art in kitchen
 
i have plants
also TIL you can derive from Applicative and Functor
 
From Data and Typeable too
 
that needs extension I think
also I want to play guitar now
haven't played for quite some time which is suck
 
5:16 PM
Ok, Anne drove me back from the festival. I'm going to cook stuff and then sleep. I've set the alarm for 22:00, JJ Rosa on at 23:00.

I may be a bit unstable.
 
5:30 PM
aw man
guitar is a really nice instrument
so much power in the hands when playing
@Jefffrey maybe we could make it earlier? Have you checked timezones?
 
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folks
 
hi @Fanael
sup
 
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Perpendicular to the geoid.
 
@Fanael u so fun
 
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I know!
 
user784668
5:35 PM
Serious programming related question:
 
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Why the hell isn't ScopedTypeVariables the default?
 
what is that
 
It is a language extension.
@Fanael Because it is a language extension.
 
Are we still talking about C++ here :|
Because I am terribly confused
 
Having language extensions enabled by default is a retarded idea.
 
user784668
5:37 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun Of course not.
 
Okay, good, I can go sleep now
 
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@PolymorphicPotato Okay, but why is it an extension in the first place?
 
@Fanael why the hell isn't FlexibleInstances and MultiParamTypeClasses is bugging me way more
 
to what language?
 
Ugh TubYoube
Can you search someone's channel still?
 
5:38 PM
@Puppy if no language mentioned, assume Haskell :P
 
There was a separate search box once, but not anymore
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Of course not
 
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@MartinJames: I take it you're happy with your first win this season?
 
UGH
Can we just permaban them from internet
 
user784668
5:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz This too.
 
And life
And can someone fix YT channel search too that'd be great
 
I should use a picture of a hot girl as my avatar
More upvotes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Never.
 
@Fanael Wot? 3 points away vs. citeh.. sure!
 
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@MohammadAliBaydoun It's probably the only reason people upvote @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
5:43 PM
@Fanael ..though I had a bet on for citeh to win 2-0.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun And more money too.
 
ARGHGHDHH WTF
 
I believe this is the reason he raise $1400+ up until now.
 
@Puppy you suck
 
no you're wrong
 
5:44 PM
no you're wrong
 
no you suck
 
@Jefffrey so
 
I'm having a deja-vu
 
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@MartinJames Meanwhile, we have less points than Manure.
 
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Did I mention I don't like the 24th place?
 
5:46 PM
@Puppy irrelevant
 
@Fanael There's time yet - for your team to get more points, and for manure to suffer many more embarrassing defeats;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't worry about me. If everything goes well, I'll probably be able to participate in 2 of the 4 hours.
 
lol: 'Yaya Toure booked for diving' gonna enjoy MOTD tonite:)
 
I just google-imaged "Hot girl selfie"
Jackpot
 
LF someone to carry me through challenge mode dungeons kthx ;)
 
user784668
5:53 PM
AFK, watching Everton - Russian Fulham.
 
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No sorry it's Norwich?
 
ooh... 4 TB WD NAS drives are on sale.
 
@Mysticial how much?
 
$159. They're normally close to $200.
Which is still a lot more than the $120 Seagate 4TB externals, but these ones will probably last more than 6 months.
 
oh thats pretty good. I want to get a NAS but... just the box is like 200$ and then to have a decent amount of space in RAID wtv that gives you redundancy its another 400$ ish
thats a bit much for me :(
 
user784668
5:58 PM
@Mysticial They won't
 
@Fanael The WD's?
 
hmm
 

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