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Xeo
6:00 PM
> such as rewarding teachers who support girls in taking online computer science courses through Codeacademy or Khan Academy.
 
Anyway, rejecting a job candidate due to their gender is illegal here.
 
the only thing that sentence demonstrates is that we succeed in turning girls away from programming at a very early age.
 
starting a campaign to promote programming for every sex is a great idea
 
Ell
I don't think it's anyone's duty to "enforce equality". If a company rejects a woman for being a woman, it's their loss
Some other company is just going to hire her and be better off
 
no, it's the woman's loss too, because presumably she wanted a job.
 
6:01 PM
Enforcing equality doesn't work, because by definition it breaks equality!
 
and if every company does it, then she won't get hired by some other company.
there will be fewer opportunities for her and her pay will suffer as a result.
 
Ell
Right, but the employer is the person voluntarily declining her
 
she will be permanently disadvantaged.
 
It's like enforcing freedom by limiting your freedom.
 
Ell
the woman can't force the employer to hire her
but the other way round is true
 
Xeo
6:01 PM
@Ell No. It's dumb and illegal, mostly.
 
@Ell No, that's true.
ultimately, it's not about any individual woman or any individual case.
it's about the big picture.
 
I so don't understand what you guys are talking about :( maybe because these problems don't exist in Romania
 
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That guy again.
 
there are almost as many girls as there are boys in my year in college
 
@AlexM. I don't really get it either.
 
6:02 PM
and there is no discrimination at employment time
 
Headline is enough to spark controversy though.
 
Ell
Meh, I don't think it's about the bigger picture at all
People should put themselves first, and then other people if they want to :3
 
Xeo
@Puppy ... and where did you get that from?
 
@Ell The problem with that is you end up in local minimums.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl what’s up.
 
6:03 PM
employers are open to hire any person regardless of gender and they treat them equally, a lot of times even going the extra mile
 
@rightfold hard time
 
user1804599
Why? :[
 
a colleague didn't want to work at a company unless they also hired her boyfriend
and they did
 
@rightfold football
 
user1804599
@AlexM. lal
 
6:04 PM
@AlexM. It's illegal to discriminate due to gender, sex, etc in most countries. I don't know what Puppy is going on about.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Oh. :P
 
@Xeo From the sentence he quoted, which clearly states that virtually no young females want to take computer science courses. So it's hard to infer anything from this except that there is clearly a large-scale effect turning them off which occurs before or during this time.
 
user1804599
Do you do automated acceptance tests? Just wondering.
 
yeah
 
user1804599
Neat.
 
6:04 PM
the "yeah" was not for acceptance tests
:D
 
@Puppy Who said that they were turned off by other people?
 
Ell
@Puppy Local minimums? Minimum what?
 
Xeo
@Puppy Yes, and where does that state that it's a "rejection" problem?
 
user1804599
Oh. :v
 
user1804599
xD
 
6:05 PM
What if... gasp they just didn't want to because they didn't find it interesting?
 
Ell
^
 
@rightfold we have a QA team that tries not to fuck too much with the SW
 
@Rapptz Yeah... all the millions of them it would take to bring to 50%? They all just happen to be uninterested. For decades.
 
user1804599
Oh, meh.
 
Ell
Just like a lot of people aren't interested in cross dressing
 
6:05 PM
right
we're struggling to introduce unit tests
 
user1804599
@Ell It’s fun. You should try it.
 
@Puppy "for decades"
 
automated acceptance tests are like, light years away
 
Source me.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl ow :v
 
Ell
6:06 PM
@rightfold I have tried it. I don't like it :P
 
Article linked (which you probably didn't read still) states the opposite.
 
user1804599
@Ell pics or it didn’t happen
 
Ell
Isn't it correct that most of the first programmers were women?
 
It is correct.
 
user1804599
Ada Lovelace is considered the first programmer.
 
user1804599
6:07 PM
And she was a woman.
 
user1804599
And a woman designed COBOL IIRC.
 
@rightfold grace hopper
 
user1804599
(Not something to be very proud of, though. :P)
 
Barbara Liskov is also a woman.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl I’m gonna try acceptance tests next project.
 
6:08 PM
in Romania, when you start high school, you choose a profile to follow
 
> But the hill Google hopes to climb is a steep one. The percentage of women among all computer science graduates has dropped from 37 percent in 1984 to just 12 percent today,
 
@rightfold cool. Have you read "Growing OO Software, Guided by Tests"?
 
user1804599
Nope.
 
kinda implies here that 30 years ago, they had a big problem, and now they have a massive problem.
 
the usual profiles are: programming & maths, literature, biology and other sciences
 
6:08 PM
@rightfold You should see the Grace Hopper on Letterman interview.
 
@Puppy Yes, that is what I'm referring to.
 
user1804599
But I watched lots of videos.
 
Ell
Barbara moo is also presumable a woman
 
@AndyProwl I bought the book, but the font looked boring.
 
@Puppy lol
 
6:08 PM
most girls choose literature or biology
few choose programming & maths
 
@FredOverflow I think it's a very good book
 
@Griwes On the contrary. You just can't seem to compile something.
 
Java-ish, but well
 
unless you, again, simply want to assume that millions of women all just happen to be uninterested in CS completely independently.
 
a good book IMO
 
6:09 PM
Better than assuming it's all a big conspiracy against equality.
 
@Puppy That's an intriguing reversal there. It kinda works, because indeed you have to put up with so much nonsense with the GUIs
 
user1804599
@Ell I am not sure whether Maxime Chevalier-Boisvert is a man or a woman, but they’re a programmer.
 
user1804599
in Java Sucks, Jun 17 '13 at 22:39, by FredOverflow
Is D day 2 talk 6 a man or a woman?
 
@AndyProwl There's nothing wrong with Java. Well, maybe some things. Okay, lots of things.
 
I'd rather not try to white knight for women.
 
user1804599
6:10 PM
Lol “D day.”
 
hehe
 
@Rapptz I doubt there's any explicit conspiracy, but there can certainly be implicit societal forces involved.
 
But you're free to do that if you want
Go ask how many women are interested in being garbage men btw.
 
@sehe Oh, so it's MY fault that this whole thing is so bad it can break for no apparent reason? Gratz.
 
Or any career, might as well get more data points.
 
6:10 PM
meh, how many men are interested in being garbage men?
 
@AndyProwl they should be. If you can automate acceptance, then, to me, your application domain looks too trivial (?)
 
still life 2 free on gog: gog.com
scroll down in that list on the main page
 
Ell
Whatever the reason that lots of women aren't programming, I don't think I have anything to do with it
 
user1804599
@AlexM. most girls choose care here.
 
user1804599
Like, healthcare and stuff.
 
user1804599
6:11 PM
Dunno. Boring stuff. Helping people.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz I have access to a VC++'s latest right now.
 
@sehe that's true, although some acceptance tests can be automated
 
I think garbage man is a cool job.
 
@AlexM. A lot of girls choose medicine I think.
 
@AlexM. *still 2 life
 
user3010322
6:11 PM
I'm about to run sol through it and see what explodes!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah, fuck garbage collection
 
user1804599
GC is nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too.
 
@AndyProwl I'd say those are (by definition) regression tests then. Maybe, designed ahead-of-time (to guard the next release, really) but tsill
 
@rightfold none of the girls in my hs class went to a CS college after finishing hs
 
Ell
6:12 PM
@Puppy That's demeaning - they're called "Refuse Disposal Engineers"
 
user1804599
My cousin is a garbage man and his sister is a professor.
 
there was a very clever girl in the other class, extra good at maths, but she chose architecture
 
user1804599
They both love their jobs.
 
@Ell A local minimum is where a machine learning algorithm finds a "good" solution, but cannot find the "best" solution because the distance is covered by solutions that appear worse. It's common in less intelligent algorithms.
 
@sehe in an (A)TDD perspective they're more than regression tests though
 
6:12 PM
@rightfold wow.
 
high school here gets you through basic algorithms and up to dijkstra's algorithm applied on graphs
 
@ThePhD gl
 
I guess girls usually find that's not their cup of tea
 
user1804599
@sehe Well, he mostly drives the truck.
 
user1804599
Not sure if that’s better or worse. :F
 
6:13 PM
@AndyProwl okay, granted. But isn't that a bit high aim?
7 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
we're struggling to introduce unit tests
 
you have the same problems if you treat each human independently- none of them change their behaviour because even if temporarily, it's worse for them, even if you did it properly then everybody benefits.
 
@rightfold It's equally interesting
 
@sehe it is
that's why I wrote we're light years behind that
 
user1804599
I work in a team of four so introducing new concepts is quite easy.
 
ultimately, there's a reason that the dominant life form on this planet is composed of a huge number of co-operating cells and even species (e.g. dogs, bacteria, viruses)
 
user1804599
6:14 PM
They often come with new ideas themselves as well.
 
and it's because co-ordination produces optimal results that individual action cannot.
 
Ell
I agree that coordination produces optimal results
 
while looking up jobs women are interested in all I find are articles about engineering careers complaining about the lack of women in the field
 
no one man could build himself a house, and a computer, and find water and food and all the rest of it.
or defend himself
 
@rightfold that's good, push for innovation is the biggest minus of the environment I work in
 
6:15 PM
So I don't think I'll be able to find those data points I wanted.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl this is more like pull for innovation lol
 
Ell
but intelligent people naturally coordinate for mutual benefit
and presumably you only want to hire intelligent programmers
 
where the hell is my pizza
I want my pizza damnit
 
Maybe some hire based on an equality quota.
 
did anyone say pizza
 
6:16 PM
@Ell Yes, except that co-ordination naturally involves people not always putting themselves first.
 
I want a pizza
 
it should have been here 20 mins ago
and I ordered it extra spicy, with spicy salami, hot peppers, onions and whatnot
 
Ell
@Puppy I don't think it does
 
I want pizza too
 
sure it does.
is it maximally efficient for any individual soldier to go fight in a war?
he's going to risk his life for no immediate benefit.
 
Ell
6:17 PM
Then he won't go to war
 
right
 
user1804599
This is the hierarchy at our company:
 
user1804599
 
so nobody defends the country, and some other country where they can have this idea is going to steamroll it with tanks.
 
@rightfold anarchy ftw
 
6:18 PM
we have the same principles in our own bodies.
 
Ell
@Puppy No
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Well maybe the first sphere is ten pixels to the north.
 
many of our cells like blood cells die very quickly, whilst others like brain cells live for a long time.
 
Ell
Other people won't go to war either
 
@Ell Only if you assume that they follow the same rules.
 
Ell
6:19 PM
why would they, there are no immediate benefits, like you said?
 
@rightfold no links, no authoritah
 
if they believe like I believe and act for the maximal benefit of the group
then they would crush your puny country and take all your resources.
 
user1804599
We do web development, so there’s actually lots of links.
 
it's in their long-term benefit because they will have more, and your country won't put up any effective resistance, so they won't run a high individual risk of death in combat.
 
I need a beer
 
user1804599
6:20 PM
Schwalbe-driven development.
 
and a pizza
 
user1804599
@AlexM. kinky
 
best hierarchy ever
 
user1804599
With whips!
 
6:20 PM
help me understand it
 
I mean, you're esentially saying, "Our country can't field any kind of army whatsoever because we can't stand the idea of sacrificing ourselves for our country; by the way please don't invade and take our stuff."
 
@AlexM. Is that... a UML penis?
 
@rightfold whips are too much
 
biting works fine
 
Ell
6:21 PM
@Puppy I think the idea of countries is ridiculous
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow nice
 
@Borgleader I used normal squares so it's not uml
not sure about the penis part
 
Ell
Also I don't understand why you think soldiers need to not put themselves first
 
@FredOverflow +1
 
Ell
they are voluntarily putting themselves at risk in order to gain the money
 
user1804599
6:22 PM
@FredOverflow maybe name func in the code.
 
@Ell That only works out if they have a high survival rate.
if you have a 50% chance of dying, you'd have to be very, very economically desperate to justify going to war for money.
 
@rightfold Can you elaborate on that? Not sure what you mean.
 
Ell
@Puppy No it works all the time - we
*we're not talking about conscription here
people make the cost benefit analysis themselves, right?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Make clear what func is.
 
@AndyProwl I was wondering what to have with mine
coke or beer
 
user1804599
6:25 PM
Unless you’re explaining that verbally.
 
I think I'll go with beer
I still have one can left
 
@Ell Right, but nobody is going to choose to run a 50% chance of death in favour of a soldier's pay.
 
user1804599
Maybe highlight func in blue and the lambda as well.
 
that's clearly not in their best interests.
 
@rightfold Ah, now we're in business! That sounds like a good idea.
 
Ell
6:26 PM
@Puppy then they won't become a soldier
 
clearly, I'm bored
 
@AlexM. definitely beer
 
@Ell Then nobody will become a soldier, and your country will get roflstomped by another.
 
@rightfold By the way, I really like the mathematical explanation at the bottom right corner.
 
Ell
@Puppy then why do people become soldiers today?
 
6:27 PM
@AndyProwl I like your choices.
 
simple
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow If you’re going to explain it step by step, you could highlight the staircase things the same colour as the elements as you go through them.
 
they do it for the benefit of others.
 
you're probably also lightyears away from curing cancer.
What I'm saying is, it's useless to measure progress unless it is to an attainable goal on a realistic frame of (time|reference|...)
 
most soldiers do not fight for themselvses.
 
6:27 PM
yes fight for the country
 
they fight because they want to benefit their country, or defend their families, etc.
 
Unfortunately @Ell, I think puppy has a point in that respect
 
user1804599
Like on the first slide you highlight the one where output = 231 as well as LINQ, in the second slide you highlight the one where output = 707 as well as Lambda Calculus, etc.
 
@sehe I think it is an attainable goal, it's not like nobody does that
 
@rightfold you all look so lonely
 
user1804599
6:28 PM
@FredOverflow also foldr.com :)
 
@rightfold lolwat
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow foldl.com
 
Did you do these? :)
 
user1804599
Nope.
 
okay
 
6:30 PM
Been linked to a thousand times already.
 
I've never seen it
not that it was that interesting
 
user1804599
I've never seen IT
 
@AndyProwl if you don't plan the intermediate steps, it's unattainable. And measuring the progress towards the long-term goal is prone to discourage/demotivate.
 
ah
 
A vision is good, and can almost be thought of as a long-term goal. The difference is, you don't measure the progress towards the vision. The vision is the guiding point. Progress is towards short(er) term goals (that are... attainable)
 
6:31 PM
the interesting thing is that it was hacked
and all their user data is gone
> In summary, most of our data, backups, machine configurations and offsite backups were either partially or completely deleted.
hope nobody here used it
 
> In summary, everything is terrible.
 
man
 
Based on the comments the past week, I think 99% of people have never heard of it until it was hacked.
 
that Scott Meyers article about copy-and-swap was surprisingly wide off the mark.
 
@Abyx how come you're talking about codespaces.com again, all of a sudden?
 
6:34 PM
@rightfold Would you agree that foldRight is the fundamental operation on which all others can be built, or is there something even more general and powerful that foldRight can be implemented in terms of?
 
@Puppy off*
 
@Puppy is that a pun?
 
IT'S HERE
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I don’t know.
 
OH MY GOD I'M SO HUNGRY
 
user3010322
6:34 PM
Oh man
 
user3010322
Maybe I can use SourceTree here
 
looks pretty good to me
 
@TonyTheLion No, but I suddenly noticed there could be one when sehe corrected me so I went to re-read it.
 
user3010322
and nobody will notice.
 
6:34 PM
@sehe I didn't see it here, nor I see it on the starboard
 
@ThePhD Do you have a will?
 
user1804599
@AlexM. Eww, that looks terrible.
 
@Abyx So, how come you seem to be talking about it?
 
I just wanted to ask. There is a user here on SO whose 'website' on their profile page redirects to a virus link. Who can I talk to to remove the user or his link?
 
user1804599
@sehe He has the won’t.
 
6:35 PM
Italy out of the world cup.
 
user1804599
 
@sehe I wasn't measuring progress anyway. We don't aim at ATDD yet. We're introducing unit tests, coverage reports, TDD, slowly. Any improvement in the right direction is better than nothing. ATDD is beyond our current plans, although I do believe it has benefits I would like to enjoy. I can just state how far it is from our current situation.
 
@BDillan Link?
 
@BDillan post on meta
 
user3010322
@sehe I do, and I'm making a way, but this is Microsoft Country. Don't wanna put a target on my head for using "different" tools.
 
6:35 PM
I want a virus too
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl What is ATDD?
 
@TonyTheLion install java
 
@rightfold Acceptance-TDD
 
user1804599
OIC.
 
@sehe what?
 
user1804599
6:35 PM
@AndyProwl Does that still include unit tests or are those gone?
 
user1804599
lol banned from Meta Stack Overflow
 
Anyway so what should I do? This user is infecting the site
 
user1804599
Then you really fail at life.
 
lol. what user?
 
@rightfold it does, it's just the same idea, but at a higher level in the process (fractal-like)
 
6:36 PM
1 min ago, by rightfold
 
user1804599
I know what an acceptance test is.
 
I cannot ask any questions there....
 
user1804599
But do you still do unit testing the same way?
 
@Borgleader Brilliant.
 
@BDillan Does your live depend on asking a question on meta SO?
 
6:36 PM
@Ell The same principles drive countries as drive multicellular life. It's just on a bigger scale. Nationalism is dumb as shit but the core concept of a social group is not. Countries just happen to be the biggest ones we can manage right now.
 
user1804599
I.e. is acceptance testing just an addition or the a substitute?
 
user1804599
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
user1804599
lolwat
 
@BDillan At this point, YOU are. So kindly do responsible things and/or leave
 
6:37 PM
@rightfold slowpoke
 
Xeo
brilliant. that guy was chatbanned for posting a link that was asked for :s
 
@rightfold it's an addition. Something like this
 
user1804599
@Xeo Yeah. :|
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl nice.
 
@rightfold you don't know how to food
 
6:37 PM
now he's chat-banned
 
@Abyx That quote seems to come from their press statement
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl what if the acceptance test requires multiple units to be implemented before it succeeds?
 
@Xeo He should obviously have linked to the profile page
 
@sehe it's from their site
 
@rightfold that's fine, actually it's meant to be like that most of the time unless the user story is really trivial
 
user1804599
6:38 PM
Ah, I see.
 
@Xeo That is ... totally my bad. I skimmed a bit and missed the message. Then I flagged him.
 
user1804599
So then you are developing while you have one failing acceptance test and one failing unit test.
 
@rightfold yes
 
Might have been my fault, as well.
 
@Xeo what i find suspicious was that he "cant ask questions on meta" how does that even happen =/
 
user1804599
6:39 PM
@AndyProwl I GET IT :3
 
@Abyx So, again, how come you started quoting their site all of a sudden? It seems to be in response to exactly nothing I can see in the context.
 
4 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
@BDillan Link?
y'all flaggots, I asked for the damn link
 
yeah, I just noticed that.
 
user1804599
Tony you should commit sudoku.
 
what?
 
6:40 PM
@rightfold basically you first have to build the infrastructure for the first acceptance test. When you have the infrastructure up & running (that could be very demanding), you can write the acceptance test and watch it fail. Then you basically iterate through the regular TDD cycle until you make that acceptance test pass. Then you write a new acceptance test etc.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm p. sure you wanted the profile page, though, not the virus? :)
2 mins ago, by sehe
@Xeo He should obviously have linked to the profile page
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl btw when you have a test that tests code that communicates with a DBMS is that a unit test or an integration test?
 
@rightfold if it talks to the DB it's an integration test
 
user1804599
Cool!
 
Wanna get rich quick and sleep with hordes of women? You can, no scam, I promise! Your personal fast road to being awesome
 
Xeo
6:41 PM
damn, I like this
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Great.
 
@sehe you feel like ?
 
@rightfold anyway the book I mentioned earlier is very good at showing this stuff concretely, I recommend it to everyone
 
@sehe Yea the profile would have been nice.
although who says I don't want a virus? :P
 
@JohanLarsson hardly ever, these days. Just pose the problem next time, I might bite :)
 
6:42 PM
(if you can tolerate the Java)
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl I will read it.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl I read Clean Code. vOv
 
@FredOverflow Yea right.
 
@TonyTheLion Well, at this point we were guessing that, but if you indeed wanted the virus link, then perhaps we should flag the question :)
 
@AndyProwl When I read Java books, I usually just pretend that the author used pseudo-code.
 
6:43 PM
Sure
 
@rightfold I bought it and haven't read it yet shame on me
@FredOverflow lol
 
@TonyTheLion Were you man enough to click the link?
 
In fact that's pretty much how I read it since I don't know Java
 
@FredOverflow everybody is scratching his/her head thinking "should we star that" ?
 
@FredOverflow No i hadn't clicked it yet
 
6:44 PM
Derp. I always type start when I want to type star.
 
@sehe I didn't scratch my head, I have no itch.
 
@sehe I always type const instead of cons :D
 
@sehe I guess you love starting :P
 
user1804599
I always type ::.
 
@FredOverflow Same thing :)
@TonyTheLion I can start laughing
 
user1804599
6:45 PM
Also conj.
 
Is anybody excited about Perl 6 here? I read about it today, and it sounds interesting.
Perl 6: The Duke Nukem Forever of programming languages?
 
Excited and Perl in the same sentence... Well I never.
 
user1804599
Perl 5 is nice.
 
@Jefffrey Uraguay is not the richest of countries, but you would think that they could feed their soccer stars to prevent cannibalism on the pitch.
 
user1804599
I don’t like Perl 6.
 
user1804599
6:47 PM
It’s rather ugly.
 
okey, I got an account at this codementor thing /cc @Puppy @Jefffrey
 
WTF, the ship "survived" underwater for more than 300 years???
 
ah
ever since they actually released DNF, those jokes are feeling a bit flat.
 
@MartinJames eh
 
> Why C++ sails when the Java sank
 
6:47 PM
I mean, make no mistake, the game was shit
but they did, in fact, finish it.
 
you're a fool.
Perl6 fixes many gaping problems in Perl5
 
user1804599
Vague titles. What else can you expect from Meyers.
 
Funny haircuts?
 
@FredOverflow Who said? I assumed it was recovered not long after it sank
 
Ell
@Puppy I guess I just don't believe that
They do it for other people maybe, but not solely
 
6:49 PM
@Jefffrey 'Luis Suarez's reputation lies in tatters again after the Liverpool striker appeared to bite Italian defender Giorgio Chiellini' ...
 
this website looks really decent
 
sank: 1628
salvaged: 1961
 
they have integrated webcams and teamviewer nicely
 
Ell
I don't think "altruism" (or whatever it's called) exists at all
 
@Ell The probability of a soldier in the UK army of dying in combat is actually pretty miniscule. It's certainly nothing like what would happen if there was a real war on or a real prospect of one.
 
6:49 PM
you have a code window
 
@FredOverflow Okay then
 
user1804599
@sehe They shouldn’t have made sigils invariant and they should’ve made multimethod a single keyword, not two.
 
{| |} Vasa (or Wasa) is a Swedish warship built 1626-1628. The ship foundered and sank after sailing about 1,300 m (1,400 yd) into her maiden voyage on 10 August 1628. She fell into obscurity after most of her valuable bronze cannons were salvaged in the 17th century. After she was located again in the late 1950s in a busy shipping lane just outside the Stockholm harbor, she was salvaged with a largely intact hull in 1961. She was housed in a temporary museum called Wasavarvet ("The Wasa Shipyard") until 1988 and then moved to the Vasa Museum in Stockholm. The ship is one of Sweden's mo...
 
and they also have long-term support programs
 
Ell
@Puppy Which shows that they do it more for themselves than for other people?
 
6:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you should tell Balpha
 
why him in particular?
 
no, it shows that since the downsides are far, far less than in the hypothetical scenario, they don't need that incentive.
 
also gah these people charge $30/15 minutes o.O
 
@Puppy UK troops get injured mostly in training and when playing soccer/rugby/whatever.
 
if they only did it for themselves, recruitment would fall through a floor the moment war started, and all existing soldiers would desert.
 
6:51 PM
@rightfold Why don't we just have 26 single-letter keywords and compose the rest out of those? ;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz He made SE chat
 
but instead, we all know that during real wars where soldiers regularly died in huge numbers, they kept dying in huge numbers because people kept joining up in huge numbers.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I cannot help thinking about this:
 
user1804599
 
@sehe nevermind. there was an deleted message before
 
6:51 PM
@rightfold me too lol
 
user1804599
It’s also Swedish!
 
@Ell So you've never selflessly gone and helped someone?
 
@Abyx lol. That explains. I usually see those, though :)
 
@Puppy inb4 Bailey has been fed today.
 
6:52 PM
@rightfold Well, both are named after wheat or something.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion I wouldn't say so, no :)
 
user1804599
In NL they’d be named after weed.
 
@MartinJames That's just the cherry on top. You can count the expulsion for no reason, the apparently one-side-blinded referee, pretty much knee reapers and so on. Terrible match and one that Italy deserved IMHO.
 
@Ell Altruism has nothing to do with it.
 
Not surprisingly I bet.
 
6:52 PM
working for the benefit of the majority is not altruistic.
 
@Ell too many negatives.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion No :)
 
most of the time, you're in the majority or have e.g. close relatives who are- that's the definition of the majority.
 
Ell
@Puppy It is when you're in the minority
 
6:53 PM
you're in the minority now, but when the next thousand issues come up, you'll be in the majority.
 
> Suarez has a history of biting opponents. He was banned for seven games for biting an opponent while playing for Ajax. Last year Suarez was banned for 10 games for biting Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic.
 
@Jefffrey I haven't watched it yet - it's recorded and I'll watch it tomorrow. I was watching the other fiasco with poor officials.
 
or your children will be.
 
Someone's got issues
 
Ell
@Puppy Which is why soldiers go to war? Because it benefits them because what they want is their families to be happy, right?
 
user3010322
6:53 PM
Quuick question...
 
@ThePhD 42
 
@sehe The referee didn't see anything.
 
user3010322
Does anyone know how, when you execute a .bat or something, to force the command prompt to stay open?
 
Is it called "referee"?
 
@Ell Well, it's the same principle, just applied on a larger scale- instead of considering immediate family, you consider, well, the majority.
 
6:54 PM
@ThePhD pause
 
@ThePhD cmd /k your.bat
 
Ell
@ThePhD open cmd, cd into the directory, run it from the prompt
 
@ThePhD He's mentally ill and should never have been allowed to play.
 
user3010322
@FredOverflow Will that allow me to keep interacting with it?
 
user3010322
@Abyx Oh, that's probably how I should do it. Thanks!
 
user1804599
6:55 PM
 
@ThePhD I don't understand what you mean.
 
@ThePhD cmd/c
 
user3010322
@FredOverflow I want a command prompt to open, execute my command, and then stay open for input essentially.
 
just open a command prompt and run your batch file from it
 
user1804599
6:56 PM
@Jefffrey lol what a pussy.
 
@MartinJames nope, /c closes console window afterwards
 
that was good <3 not the best pizza but for the price, I can't complain
at all
 
eh
 
user1804599
Suarez, not the other guy.
 
user3010322
The thing to chain commands is & right?
 
user3010322
6:56 PM
command1 & command2
 
@ThePhD &&
 
Suarez was faking something.
 
@Abyx rvalue reference? :)
 
iirc
 
Nobody knows what, considering he was the one biting.
 
6:56 PM
@Jefffrey Fake it until you make it? :P
 
@FredOverflow nope, and
 
He did it, apparently.
 
@Abyx If command1 returns false, does it short-circuit? ;)
 
user3010322
@Abyx Didn't seme to work, let me try &
 
@FredOverflow yeah it does
 
user3010322
6:57 PM
Nope, that didn't work either...
 
user3010322
Maybe it's short-circuiting?
 
Aaaaanyway...
 
user3010322
But the command is completely successfully.
 
user1804599
No, it doesn’t.
 
user1804599
Only if it returns non-zero.
 
user3010322
6:58 PM
Windows is not showing me whether it returns zero or not.
 
user1804599
There’s no true and false, only integers.
 
> According to the newer stories Suarez can get banned for up to 2 years from all forms of football.
 
@ThePhD & is not short-circuiting, && is for short-circuiting.
 
user1804599
@sehe That would be a good thing.
 
user1804599
Assholes must be banned.
2
 
6:58 PM
@Jefffrey which is common place with off-the-ball happenings
 
user3010322
@Abyx WEll, trying either doesn't work./
 
@rightfold Too nice to not out-of-context-quote
 
@ThePhD maybe you need "quo tes" somewhere
 
user1804599
My ass is never OOC.
 

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