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5:04 PM
@jalf You think the MSVC team themselves understand what is going with them?
 
@TonyTheLion I have no idea
I'd assume they have some kind of plan for what they're trying to do
but I can't imagine what the plan is, or what they're trying to do
 
chaos
so @Xeo, your leg pain, is it mostly a sharp pain or a dull ache or both or how would you describe it?
as a pain suffering fellow, I'm curious
 
a pain connoisseur
 
dat ^
 
Xeo
5:08 PM
dull pain while walking or sitting, and sharp pain in certain positions, aswell as immediately while / after standing up
 
Xeo
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A: std::unique_ptr::reset checks for managed pointer nullity?

Herb SutterThis way unique_ptr is safe for self-assignment.

Herb has me confused
 
Herb has an SO account? TIL
 
who's herb
 
ERMHAGHERD
You reside in the Lounge and you don't know who Herb is??
I feel violated
 
5:10 PM
standard committee, ic
 
I hope you know who Bjarne Stroustroup is?
 
who?
:D
 
The mentions of std::free have me confused. It’s null-safe as well.
 
@TonyTheLion is it he to blame for the ugly template syntax?
 
5:11 PM
std::free(tonythelion);
 
or for the fact that IN 2014 WE DON'T HAVE CONCEPTS
 
@Jefffrey He's to blame for C++.
 
good
 
Xeo
@LucDanton It was not meant as a 'non-null-safe' function in my case, just an alternative deleter, though my formulation is a bit unfortunate.
 
so how did you end up here @Jefffrey?
 
5:12 PM
oh, wait... I thought that was bjarne strouuriouuopsoiuosp
 
bjarne soup
 
@TonyTheLion meyer sent me
 
@Jefffrey Who sent you to Lounge<C++>?
 
You know Scott Meyers!?
 
5:13 PM
or maybe it was luke skywalker
don't remember
 
don't be vague
 
@TonyTheLion I was an help vampire like everybody else
 
We weren't all help vampires
 
a helpire
 
but yea, you were one of those and then learned something about this Lounge and adjusted your behavior accordingly
I have faith in humanity again
:P
 
5:15 PM
I guess. I don't remember why I entered the room for the first time, or why, tbh.
 
You were drunk.
 
Ouch. Boost DateTime does my head in. I have spent ~1.5 hours now to get a freaking RFC1123 (Sun, 11 Feb 2009 15:45:00 EST) formatted "now"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that was later
 
Freaking Hell. Overcomplicated. Undiscoverable. Painful. Anyone else have this problem with Boost DateTime?
 
Ugh, Boost DateTime gave me nightmares
its not very obvious on how to use
 
5:17 PM
I'm having them now
 
Nightmares > cancer.
 
@thecoshman what kind of freaky mutant address is that? :|
 
I wouldn't think Herb cares much about that
 
5:18 PM
neither do I about poorly formatted answers
 
the call went okay, I guess
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd still prefer nightmares over cancer, if I had to chose.
 
@BartekBanachewicz job?
 
I got a test to solve in a next few days
 
fun fun
 
5:18 PM
@Jefffrey potential one, yes
 
oh, the test thingy
 
yeah, the test is very good actually
 
@jalf what o_0
 
last time I did that, my mind shut off during the test and I did a miserable job of it
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz gief
 
5:19 PM
@TonyTheLion 'my shut mind off'
 
@BartekBanachewicz so, is there any chance you don't quit uni?
 
@thecoshman thanks
@Xeo is that a word?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... is something lost in translation?
 
haha, @Jefffrey edited one of Sutter's posts.
nm, I'm late
 
you sir, are late
go home
 
5:21 PM
@Xeo what?
 
and drunk
 
@Jefffrey yes. They might not like my solution
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz post the test
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Nightmare>: Where nightmares > cancer. [bad-design] [bugs] [desperation]
 
@Xeo I'd rather not post it here, I think. Let me find your email address
 
5:22 PM
Yea I wouldn't do that either
Google might give you away
 
@sehe Hmm, what is the problem? Is this not enough? boost.org/doc/libs/1_55_0/doc/html/date_time/…
@TonyTheLion Erm that's why I said nightmares are better than cancer.
 
@Xeo but... if the std::unique_ptr is not nullptr than it is not "safe" from self-assignment?
I don't get it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh gawd. Now I can't remember how I interpreted that to come to the conclusion I came to. :/
 
Xeo
it is, by virtue of this->reset(other.release())
 
5:25 PM
@Xeo I've sent it to your hotmail address
 
Xeo
I really don't get Herb's answer
@BartekBanachewicz thanks
 
Ahahaha SO chat is shit at handling URLs
 
seems to work okay
 
It's the s.
 
5:25 PM
Did they fucking do oneboxes with regexes
 
but I understand you need something to moan about
 
Xeo
oh noez, https :D
 
@CatPlusPlus yyyyyup
 
@CatPlusPlus shouldn't they?
 
Reposting the exact same link is not useful
 
52
Q: Is the Ballmer Peak real?

AlexandruThere is a myth saying that having a BAC in the 0.129% - 0.138% range can improve your cognitive abilities. This effect is called the Ballmer Peak (a reference to Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft) and is pictured nicely in this xkcd. Is there any truth in this myth?

 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's the s.
 
Here's a hint
 
5:27 PM
I know what the fuck it is
 
Then how come you still haven't figured it out? Despite being told three times?
 
It doesn't handle HTTPS properly
Nerds
 
After 5 people said it to you
 
Because it's not a good behaviour jesus christ
 
5:27 PM
I like the fact that the scale goes from Java to Malbolge.
 
oh
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol Java
 
cool
 
Forcing me to establish an SSL session to view a comic is not good behaviour, no. So post the fucking HTTP link next time.
 
@CatPlusPlus jesus christ has nothing whatsoever to do with this
 
5:28 PM
@Jefffrey ;p
 
Oh no an SSL session
 
it's a feature obviously
 
Oh no my link wasn't oneboxed
 
(It's TLS, and it's still shitty code)
 
oh noez
 
5:29 PM
You haven't seen the code. It is simply a feature that secure links aren't oneboxed. Frankly, I don't have a problem with that. They're secure. The result of such HTTP queries shouldn't be rendered and cached for all-time archival.
 
For some value of secure.
 
Of course
Cat is just too lazy to use the proper protocol and blames others for this
 
:lol:
 
5:31 PM
:,(
 
Because you asked
 
because reasons
 
C++ is treason
 
Okay.
 
@CatPlusPlus dat pun
 
5:31 PM
@Jefffrey What? No more <Vlad>?
 
Does that means that if I don't ask, you'll change it back?
 
You asked already.
Too late.
 
Too late.
 
5:32 PM
@MartinJames it's <Nightmare> now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's just the formatting part. Need to imbue facets on streams to use them. Also, quite some ugly hoops to even get a local_date_time (and no formatters for ptime or similar, AFAICT)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have this now: paste.ubuntu.com/6886445
 
Nightmare, C++, what's the difference
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what ya'll talking about
 
1 min ago, by Jefffrey
Can we have Lounge<C++> back? And keep it that way? Please.
Don't try and fight your gods.
 
@CatPlusPlus That mostly my nightmares occur while sleeping and on waking up they are gone, when I'm coding C++ I'm not sleeping and I'm living the nightmare
 
5:33 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where nightmares > cancer. [[c++]] [[nighmares]] [[no-tag-policy]]
 
Don't try and fight your dogs.
 
oh you
 
itt sehe is bad at tags
 
:14550332 no
 
@sehe Hmm, maybe I'm spoiled, but I don't see any hoops to get a local_date_time.
 
5:34 PM
why are the tags fucked up?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems to work well enough. Apart from doing dynamic allocations every time around (for the zone, and the facets)
 
@BartekBanachewicz ? what
 
You haven't been there the previous 90 minutes :)
It's always /ok/ if you see the final magic spell. But the API has ZERO discoverability
 
@Jefffrey :F nvm
 
@sehe It works exactly the way I was expecting it.
I admit I have better expectations in that domain than most people, though.
FFS, It's recruiting season again.
 
5:36 PM
Yea
 
Heh
I got that too
 
I got an email for a job in Berlin this morning
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Inbox full of pimps?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Well. I'll have to /grow/ for 20 more years to expect this. The point is, I can adapt pretty swiftly to a library's design, but if discoverability is low (bad documentation: the documentation elides namespace names everywhere, never shows the relevant headers, not even in the sample etc.)
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where nightmares > cancer. [c++] [nighmares] [no-tag-policy]
 
Yeah, using namespace in documentation is horrible :(
 
5:37 PM
> nighmares
perhaps we could have some room owners who can spell :)
 
SAM
higuys!!
 
@SAM Hi! (Also, to you, @SamDeHaan, and @SampoSarrala, since you just got pinged too)
 
@MartinJames I receive three e-mails from three different people at Bloomberg asking if I'm interested in blah blah blah.
They seem very well organised.
 
neighmares, (MLP scary dreams)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The last "leap" I made was figuring out that posix_time_zone() was a thing and that I /might/ have /luck/ just putting "UTC" in there. All other samples were more like this:
string posix_tz_def("PST-5PDT01:00:00,M4.1.0/02:00:00,M10.1.0/02:00:00");
  local_date_time ldt(second_clock::local_time(),
                      time_zone_ptr(new posix_time_zone(posix_tz_def)));
 
5:38 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<No>: Where nightmares > cancer. [c++] [nightmares] [no-tag-policy]
 
I wasn't about to hard code my TZ database ^
@TonyTheLion oh god
 
SAM
Why "No" ?
 
Why "C++"
 
Why "Anything"?
 
It's not "Anything"
Question irrelevant
 
5:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes is each "blah" the same as the other?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No.
 
Why is this a thing? "X uses Ebay" therefore "X must be an expert" WTF???
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's kinda fun when I call a pimp and they say "Well, we can't give out too much detail at this stage", and I say "It's at XXX in London, it's documentation-heavy and I don't want it, bye", ('cos I've already been over it with another recruiter).
 
Also, what the fuck are you lot on about?
 
5:43 PM
@MartinJames They give enough detail, but I don't want to move and I don't want to work in finance.
 
FUCK THIS SHIT. Now I'm trying to get a fixed local_date_time entry for use with a unit test and ....
..\..\src\azure\storage\auth\shared_key.cpp(75): error C2039: 'date' : is not a member of 'boost::local_time'
..\..\src\azure\storage\auth\shared_key.cpp(75): error C2065: 'date' : undeclared identifier
..\..\src\azure\storage\auth\shared_key.cpp(75): error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'd'
..\..\src\azure\storage\auth\shared_key.cpp(75): error C3861: 'd': identifier not found
..\..\src\azure\storage\auth\shared_key.cpp(76): error C2039: 'time' : is not a member of 'boost::local_time'
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ACK that.
 
After several different incantations.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz: Really, that's the test? That's it?
And you didn't want to post that one thing here? Oh well
 
SAM
5:49 PM
Hi guys.. I have made the chat black :)
 
I see
 
SAM
Oopse! Something went wrong...
 
@Xeo yes, that's it
@Xeo Well regardless of what it is, really
Do you think it's bad?
 
(vlads show)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I dunno what that test is supposed to tell them about your C++ skills, tbh
 
5:53 PM
@Jefffrey Haha, it's 'countNum( n )' all the way down.
 
@Xeo um, really?
I think it's great.
It's so similar to my last C++ answer in the form of it
like, @sehe would prolly solve it 2x better than me and that's the expected outcome
@Xeo in general, you are supposed to not just solve it. You're supposed to smash the thing to the ground, ace it and in general make everyone that reads the solution go Wow!.
 
Xeo
hm, still
not much you can show there, I think
 
@Jefffrey eeeexcellent
 
well it can't be too complicated either
after all, it's a reasonably short test, not a month-long assignment
 
A Vlad a day blows your stack away.
7
 
Xeo
5:57 PM
right, could probably whip that up in an evening or two
 
Does anyone know a good C++ tensor library without arbitrary limits?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
(I think you know what comes next)
 
Can you name it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No.
(Touché)
 
Is it internal in your company or a joke?
Oh.
Yeah, I got it.
 

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