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Xeo
8:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz June 7th will be fun for you then
 
Sampling bias?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Could be..
 
Those people are less likely to be exposed to the English speaking world, because er, they don't speak English.
 
@Xeo hopefully :|
heh maybe I'll get to fly there from Dublin, not from Gdańsk :S
 
Ell
> The official teaching language of Friedrich-Alexander-Universität Erlangen-Nürnberg (FAU) is German.
If I did a year abroad in germany I'd have to learn german :O
 
8:03 PM
@Ell Come to Berlin.
 
ow
water straight from the kettle is hot!
 
@Ell german isn't terrible when you know english
 
@DeadMG You should publish a paper.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I go to Germany, I meet people, they speak English. Maybe, as you say, it's mostly because I usually meet software managers and developers. OTOH, Hotels, bars, shops they all seem to have enough English for me to sign in, buy stuff etc.
 
8:04 PM
@MartinJames There can be a negative number of German people? how does that work?
 
@TemplateRex comparing Norvig to someone like Ron Jeffries is unfair :P
 
@DeadMG LOL!
 
Oh yeah, they actually say that:
> Peter Norvig is Director of Research at Google, author of the leading textbook on artificial intelligence, and may be one of the better programmers alive.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, but all those places have a bias towards people that do speak English.
 
@Ell Yeah - come to Berlin.
 
8:06 PM
 
Xeo
@DeadMG it's unsigned and wraps around. which means that, as soon as rightfold completes a single project, he'll kill all non-english speaking german professionals
 
Ell
I wonder if the university of berlin offers electrical engineering/compsci in english :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum whereas Ron Jeffries is a porn actor
 
@TemplateRex Ron Jeremy*
 
@TemplateRex Ron Jeffries is a businessmen and is known for methodologies - not for being a particularly good coder.
 
8:08 PM
@Ell meh learn german
 
@BartekBanachewicz been watching with rightfold, hm?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Seems like a lot of effort for a couple days Lounge pissup.
 
so computers are java now?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lel
 
8:10 PM
I like coffee
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I need to learn chemistry first xD
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm.. the predicate is false.
 
> enables your production applications to operate in business real time
 
@BartekBanachewicz It says that? Ugh!
Is that guy hugging a glass of Guinness?
 
8:12 PM
No. It's a computer screen.
 
I'll take the Guinness.
 
user1804599
I love vests.
 
Kevlar?
Is someone shooting at you?
 
Ell
meh. Vim is sluggish, it's odd o.O
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum the Jeffries epic fail at tdd-ing sudoku was fun. But here's uncle bob's comeback
 
8:15 PM
@Ell Well, it IS trying to handle your error log :)
 
user1804599
CHocolate. <3
 
@TemplateRex :D nice one
 
Ell
@MartinJames That's true!
 
user1804599
Hey @Ell how’s school going?
 
8:21 PM
@Ell use vim-bigfiles
 
Ell
@rightfold It's going okay. I have lots of work to do and not enough self discipline to do it :S I'm getting better but programming is distracting me
 
user1804599
Good.
 
Ell
Like now I'm writing my thing instead of doing titration calculations :S
 
user1804599
Programming is the only thing that matters.
 
Ell
haha nah :P
And I have no idea where this missing } is coming from because my ruby functions look like this
code.brace {
    do some output
}
where the brace method adds opening and closing braces :P
 
user1804599
8:24 PM
Y u braces in Ruby.
 
@TemplateRex what the fuck
 
user1804599
Y u no end.
 
Y u Ruby
 
Ell
@rightfold then it looks like the output <3
 
> This code is maybe a little wrong, because I don't understand all differences between const, char, int
 
8:25 PM
being all serious, what does Ruby offer you over the alternatives
 
wait what
 
like Python, Lua and JS?
 
@BartekBanachewicz sinatra
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I know ruby
 
that's all you ever need to know
 
8:25 PM
@Jefffrey there's a shitload of web frameworks for those 3
 
ruby has sinatra
 
Ell
also it's expressive
which is what I want for what I'm doing
 
@Ell all 3 are expressive
 
@BartekBanachewicz hm?
 
@Ell that's your personal view, not an objective answer I was looking for
 
Ell
8:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz But I don't know the other 2
 
@BartekBanachewicz sinatra is not "just" another web framework
 
Xeo
something seems wrong with these prices, but I can't quite tell what: amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/0984334904/…
 
sinatra is genius
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz It is objective.
 
@Jefffrey I bet there's a better web framework for those 3
 
Ell
8:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz well that's the reason I'm using it really, it is well suited to my task
 
@BartekBanachewicz please tell
 
user1804599
You cannot deny that Ell knows Ruby better than Python, Lua and JavaScript.
 
well right
 
Ell
it's good at string handling, it's standard library is extensive
 
user1804599
It is a fact.
 
8:26 PM
but if you know all 4
 
user1804599
@Ell Perl :D
 
why would you ever pick Ruby
I've heard that ruby web frameworks are undebuggable mess
 
why would you ever pick JS
why would you ever pick Lua
 
which would align with the fact that ruby is an undebuggable mess
 
@BartekBanachewicz why
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
Perl and Scala all the way.
 
@Jefffrey those two are two orders of magnitude faster, for one
 
are you gonna play it on "performance"?
come on bartek
 
that's one of the arguments. Do you think it's invalid?
 
user1804599
I think I have quite an unusual iTunes library.
 
@BartekBanachewicz a language is not fast nor slow.
and it's a dumb argument anyway
 
Ell
8:29 PM
@BartekBanachewicz For me personally I find it as easy to debug as any other dynamic language
 
because web performance doesn't matter, unless you are fucking google
 
user1804599
Use Ruby if you are comfortable with Ruby.
Use Perl if you are comfortable with Perl.
Use Python if you are comfortable with Python.
Use Lua if you are comfortable with Lua.
Use JavaScript if you are comfortable with JavaScript.
 
@Jefffrey That's true, (except for Ruby).
 
in that case you have much bigger problems
 
Ell
And for me performance is a last concern
 
8:30 PM
like... who the fuck is responsible for designing the youtube interface for starter
 
Ell
I want ease of use, speed of development, expressiveness
 
@Jefffrey what martin said
Ruby is so slow it starts to matter
 
no, I want you to say something different
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Mysticial.
 
it's usually totally irrelevant
 
user1804599
8:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz shut up about Ruby you have never used it.
 
but not with ruby
 
@BartekBanachewicz which benchmark, what problems do you really have with ruby's performance?
 
@rightfold so what?
@Jefffrey have you read what Jeff wrote about Discourse?
have you ever used Sketchup?
 
user1804599
So you cannot have a reasonable own opinion.
 
I want your experience for fuck sake
 
8:32 PM
@Jefffrey I have used sketchup.
@rightfold wrong conclusion.
 
And....
 
@Jefffrey it's slow as fucking slow as fuck
 
user1804599
If I were admin I would bin this entire convo.
 
yeah but you're not
 
user1804599
Unfortunately.
 
8:32 PM
I probably won't get what rubyfags are about ever
 
@BartekBanachewicz so... because an API is slow... then Ruby is slow?
 
@Jefffrey no, sketchup is slow because ruby is slow
 
Ell
@rightfold heh. I did try perl at one point
 
the whole language is terribly designed
 
Ell
I couldn't get into it while I had ruby available haha
 
Xeo
8:33 PM
get a room pls kthx
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm. Now this part I don't understand your reasoning for o.O
 
@Xeo orite. Ruby sucks balls deep EOT.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm with Jeffrey on this one, the performance argument is the worst path you could have choose ;0
 
user1804599
Get out.
 
@BartekBanachewicz can you do more than just spit out opinions like if there was no tomorrow?
 
8:34 PM
let's talk about something more pleasant than ruby
 
ok
 
user1804599
PERL
 
like TDD
 
Xeo
Let's talk about JavaScript.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I wrote about it on my website.
 
user1804599
8:34 PM
@Xeo damn.
 
@rightfold your website is unfinished
 
user1804599
It is finished.
 
@Xeo ES 7 is kinda cool you know
 
WTF dude, why do you go ballistic every time Ruby is mentioned?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno really, no particular reason. I like to bash something time to time and ruby is perfect bashing target.
 
8:35 PM
It almost sounds like Ruby is made of salmiakki or something.
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no hard feelings.
 
@Xeo what about it
 
Xeo
@rightfold would've needed s/t/d/ too
 
Ell
I can't tell if vim is messing up brace folding or my code is wrong :S
 
anyway ES7 will most probably have pure keyword
 
user1804599
8:36 PM
@Xeo we have enough std already.
 
and C++ still doesn't have pure keyword
now that's something to think about
 
Xeo
I was joking
 
Xeo
let's stop talking about languages
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's as reasonable as const, really
 
8:37 PM
It's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike const.
 
user1804599
pure keyword is silly in imperative languages.
 
user1804599
D solves it in a weird way which is meh.
 
@rightfold I disagree
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't need it.
 
@rightfold eh, noone uses D.
 
user1804599
8:37 PM
Yes, that is completely relevant.
 
lemme rephrase; D is a failed experiment
 
user1804599
Nobody uses Haskell either but you seem to like to take ideas from it too.
 
Xeo
room topic changed to Lounge<Shit>: Come get a piece of us. [c++] [no-language-wars] [no-tag-policy]
 
@DeadMG I'd like it.
 
@Jefffrey the shredinger's programming language
 
8:39 PM
that does not in any way even refute what I said.
 
@rightfold Yes they do! I use Hask... err.. actually, no.
 
@DeadMG oh wait you are against const too right?
 
Meh, I like it too.
But to be honest, I'd rather have a 2d drawing library right now.
Ok, that was a joke.
 
anyway, as long as someone doesn't say that nodejs is nice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Xeo
8:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you'd like to have many things
 
user1804599
Node.js is bad.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix what's wrong with nodejs?
 
Now serious: an advanced math library would be cool.
 
the js part I guess
 
user1804599
Node.js is funny; worst platform but best package manager.
 
8:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "people have too many too different math needs so meh"
 
@BartekBanachewicz What?
 
Let's talk about Crawl
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that was the counteragument I've heard
 
Fuckin' Sigmund
 
Counterargument for what?
 
8:41 PM
for having a real std::math
dunno where, I think I've read it somewhere long ago
 
user1804599
Why so much stress.
Why so much hatred.
Have an enema and relax.
 
I'd like std::vec2/3/4 and std::matrix2/3/4 too
 
@BartekBanachewicz I certainly dislike the way it's been done in C++
 
user1804599
std::tensor!!!!!
 
Xeo
@DeadMG in what way?
 
8:42 PM
AFAIK, the reason the TR1 functions were not added to C++11 was that they were considered a niche tool.
 
having basic numerical types in stdlib would at least stop ....people... like ThePhD from reinventing them
 
But I think the committee's view has since steered from that.
 
@Xeo One single use of const requires splurging const all over everywhere.
 
user1804599
@ScottW It’s the same.
 
Can't have a huge standard library with only stuff everyone will use.
 
8:43 PM
duplicating functions, marking every-fucking-thing const just to get the compiler to shut up.
 
commitee has as many views as many members it has really
 
Xeo
@DeadMG okay, and you'd solve that how?
moar inference?
 
@Xeo Probably.
but I might also lend myself to simply not having const.
 
Xeo
auto&&, done
 
auto_const
 
8:43 PM
@ScottW well oh right. But you'll need to take care of it!
 
@Xeo Even if auto&& deduces my reference to be const, I still have to go around marking all the members as const-callable, some of which have to be duplicated.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG ew, and all guarantees leave through the window?
 
and then go around marking all the functions called from them const, etc etc.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG make this explicit
 
@BartekBanachewicz nodejs is messy and simply fails at doing simple things. for example path.join(".", "fun") will return "fun", if you want to do require(path.join(".", "fun")) it won't work unless you have a package installed named fun. It's quite long to explain but things that you expect to work well on python,ruby and even php are still quite new to nodejs
 
Ell
8:45 PM
You can't infer const can you? It's all semantic n that
 
@ScottW as a punishment, take a look at this video NSFW ;0
 
> “I made this class so that I could put some of these horrible boolean flags into it, taking them out of the local scope and into a slightly larger class scope.”
 
user1804599
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I do not like callback hell.
 
user1804599
I prefer sequential code with green threads.
 
doesn't node offer promises already?
 
8:46 PM
@rightfold the callback hell being one of the most terrible choice of design I aggree, I wonder why they went that way... People aren't randomly not using twisted
 
@Xeo I already did.
 
@Xeo waaait what?
 
I'll experiment with whether or not I perceive it's solved the problem.
 
Xeo
whee, 2^16-1 rep
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@BartoszKP lol
 
8:47 PM
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$ pwd
/home/rmf/dev/nonius
$ grep -RI . include | wc -l
1632
$ grep -RI const include | wc -l
64
$ echo Meh.
Meh.
$
 
Xeo
@DeadMG you can now forward on this, which should make it a ton better
 
@BartekBanachewicz I guess there are promises but it's still crappy, if you compare node to python + gevent nodejs is worthless
 
@RobertHarvey Something like Lounge<C++> wouldn't you agree?
 
@Xeo let's fix that =p
 
8:47 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Fine, fine. [c++] [no-language-wars] [no-tag-policy]
 
Xeo
@Code-Guru already have a screenshot anyways
 
@EtiennedeMartel Isn't it about as offensive as Lounge<Shit>?
 
@Xeo Haven't decided what I want to do for forwarding.
 
user1804599
People who are offended by “shit” are tremendously worthless.
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I'm currently thinking about reworking references as a whole.
 
8:48 PM
what about Lounge<Crap> then?
 
user2033018
@rightfold lol
 
@rightfold I would say that people offended by "shit" are shit.
 
Lounge<Sheet>
 
lol!
 
Lounge<Sheep>
 
user1804599
8:48 PM
Lounge<Skeet>
 
lol
 
: DD
 
Lounge<tihS>
 
the problem is
there are a few scenarios when you just need pointers/references to references.
 
user2033018
@Griwes care to explain?
 
8:49 PM
Lounge<Sith>?
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Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes do it on ogonek
 
@faranwath Read it backwards.
 
someone has star diarrhea
 
$ pwd
/home/rmf/dev/nonius
$ grep -RI . include | wc -l
6252
$ grep -RI const include | wc -l
342
$ echo Meh.
Meh.
$
 
@Griwes lol stahp :DDDDDDD
 
8:49 PM
Lounge<this*>
 
Xeo
kill the star spam
 
Almost the same ratio.
 
user1804599
I am going to take a shower and sleep like a badass mofo because I have driving lesson tomorrow at too-early AM.
 
@Xeo you do it
 
user2033018
@Griwes nope, doesn't ring a bell
 
8:50 PM
@ScottW pure genius : D
 
star spam ftw!
 
Ah my favorite comment-deleting mod chimed in....
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes the conclusions?
 
user1804599
user image
10
 
@rightfold :D
 
8:52 PM
@rightfold I sure miss the 90s
 
user2033018
@rightfold hmm...
 
@Xeo I don't think it is anywhere near as annoying as the puppy claims it is.
 
I perceive it that way.
 
@Jefffrey it means that n must be between 1 and 15 000 ... I dont think its so hard to understand — user3272640 1 min ago
wait what
 
you can claim you don't perceive it that way and that's fair enough
 
Xeo
8:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes my conclusion: not enough of your variables are const!
 
user1804599
I want anonymous macros.
 
but right now I only use const when I really, really have to.
 
I'd have to go through the code manually to find those places where I have the classic duplicated function pair, but I'm pretty sure I can count them with my fingers, no binary hacks.
 
> it makes sence so where is the problem?
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Q: Putting more strings, char, together for vector use

user3272640I have 3 strings int x = 0 <= x <= a; int y = 0 <= x <= b; char s; and I need to put them into one string, because I want to call later and I'm using vector. My vector definition looks like this: vector<string> inputs; Then I have an input in my code: cin >> input And here is my output:...

^ this question deserves an award
 
> I have 3 strings
:facepalm:
 
8:55 PM
The int n = 1 <= n <= 15000; part is the best
 
user2033018
@Jefffrey come on, don't be too hard on him!
 
so here's the thing
I want to go to sleep
but Natalia is preparing her works for her exam-showcase tomorrow
so I have like 2 hours
we could have a 2-hour game compo
 
@faranwath I kindly asked what that was supposed to mean, he replied with something along the lines "fuck you! what the fuck do you think it means? it obviously means that n needs to be between 1 and 15000, idiot"
 
would anyone be interested in making a game in 2 hours?
 
@Jefffrey hey buddy, if you dont understand what that means, you shouldnt be sitting by a computer..didnt you take math at school? — user3272640 19 secs ago
 
8:57 PM
1game / person I guess
 
^ it gets even better
 
Sooo... kdevelop cannot into parsing spirit-using code that is being edited on the fly
How surprising.
 
user2033018
@Jefffrey just read his comment... awesome! the world needs more people like him!
 
@Griwes why you into kdevelop tho
 

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