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3:01 PM
Hmmm.
Hmmmmm.
Given struct A {}; struct B : A {};, can I have a C that derives from B privately, but the A in it is public?
Gosh. Why do I need this.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think so
 
virtually inherit from B (privately) and A publicly! :P
 
Won't work.
 
Xeo
virtual inheritence and inherit in both B and C? :D
aw
 
@Borgleader B is where that decision needs to be made.
 
Xeo
3:03 PM
too slow with my typing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes using directives for the relevant members?
 
@AndyProwl Not the same effect. There's nothing public in B anyway.
 
Xeo
you can always provide a conversion op to A, I guess, although that doesn't extend to pointers
 
I'm mostly just curious; this is a meaningless pedantic issue.
 
Xeo
3:04 PM
and obviously not to is_base_of
 
There's the floor. Now give me 20.
 
@Borgleader no
 
Basically, inheriting from A is part of the interface of C, but B is an implementation detail inherited for composition.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds nasty
does B have to inherit from A?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I meant something like this. Not good?
 
3:06 PM
C is a reporter that reports strictly more stuff than B.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Please destroy him at the earliest convenience
tia
 
@AndyProwl No, because now I can't point to C with a pointer to A.
 
@R.Martin Inherit from A and compose with B? :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, I see
 
@CatPlusPlus Well he just got rejected by the hottest lounger by far, so...
is that good enough?
 
3:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't remember rejecting anyone
 
Xeo
ah, I see. A is the base interface, B is an implementation, and C is also one but wants to use B in its implementation
 
Yeah.
I'll stick to struct C : public B {}; but I was curious if I could get what I wanted.
 
Xeo
interesting issue
 
inherit from A and compose with B seems like a reasonable solution
 
That gives two As.
 
Xeo
3:09 PM
the A in B doesn't have the same state as the A in C, then, though
memo: finish sentences
 
@Xeo virtual inheritance would work, but it needs to be decided at B.
 
Xeo
that was the third time today that I did a total switch right in the middle, ugh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Depending on the semantics in question, I'm not sure it's a problem.
 
@Purrformance I know :)
 
Xeo
I feel like I'm seriously out of it today. I should just take a nap...
 
3:12 PM
How is what possible?
 
Preprocessor does its own tokenisation pass
 
:14547474 Since it's non-observable when exactly they are removed, it's never actually implemented that way.
 
It needs to recognise the directives somehow
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, I just realized it does several tokenization passes.
 
What I'm wondering about is if when I inherit some virtual interface and don't make the derived class final I should default to virtual inheritance or not.
(And aside, I'd like a feature where you could have a base class force public inheritors to do so virtually)
In this scenario I need to change B anyway.
 
3:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is virtual inheritance slower?
 
@Borgleader It makes vtable lookups more complex, and classes slightly bigger.
 
Xeo
it also has different semantics at some points (initialization of the base class)
 
pointer conversions too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no shit. I was shocked at the very idea of salty licorice
 
He shoots, he misses
0/10
 
3:16 PM
@thecoshman mmmmm, salty licorice <3
 
actually I needed I nine
 
Xeo
@thecoshman waaaat. salty liquorice best liquorice
 
Always good to have something to give to your enemy.
 
Is this something lost in translation... would I normally be calling it just 'liquorice'?
 
@thecoshman Probably not.
 
3:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes do like 'normal' liquorice?
 
@thecoshman I don't know what you would be calling it, but it sounds ok to me. Salty liquorice is a subset of liquorice
a pretty yummy subset
 
now I want to try some :(
 
Xeo
Salzige Heringe von Katjes, nom
 
> "We remembered how 'disappointed' you were when there was no Salmiak products in a care package from Finland," they wrote, "and we decided that we had to undo this injustice that had been inflicted upon you. Thus, we embarked on a quest to gather all Salmiak products available in Finland. After two months spent on this quest, we found about 80 different kinds of this delicacy for you to enjoy."
 
Xeo
3:20 PM
iJelly
 
ooooh, it's a sweet brand
 
@Jefffrey donezo
 
thankzo
 
Also, I feel like I should start referring to it as "ammoniac liquorice", give that it has little to no common salt.
(It also sounds closer to how nasty it is)
 
Xeo
3:23 PM
it's not nasty
 
I don't know worse adjectives.
 
vile? nauseous?
 
sigh... I am going to have to try this now.
Robot, stock up!
 
I'll send you some if you like :D
 
Xeo
I can bring some
@jalf bring them on June 7th
 
3:25 PM
@jalf that salmon maki stuff?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman lol
 
but sure, send away. You know my name, right? you know what company, right? you know what town, right? you know what country, right? post away @jalf
 
@thecoshman Did I mention I consider this one of the worst things you could possibly ever taste?
 
@Xeo he can do that too.
 
@thecoshman sure, can buy it everywhere here
and no, I don't know any of those actually :p
 
Xeo
3:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/worst/best/, you need to update your taste circuits
 
@jalf email me @gmail.com
 
Oh, Alex can help.
 
and if you can't solve that riddle, I am not trusting you with any more information
 
> vomit-inducing, garbage-infused, ash-like, disgustingly-terrible, and nightmarishly-awful
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Alex?
 
3:28 PM
@thecoshman From TDWTF
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OIC
 
Er... soap! Soap tastes better.
 
@jalf nothing to watch?
 
It should be a crime against humanity to manufacture that thing.
 
3:29 PM
@thecoshman nah, just a podcast apparently, audio only
 
I personally am not feeling particularly aggrieved.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes look, I know you are Portuguese, but the rest of us like to wash!
 
@CatPlusPlus sadly can't find it now. maybe it got moved again in VS2013
 
but their reactions are audible, so it's all good :p
 
personally, I find chicken to be far more offensive.
 
3:30 PM
chicken flavored licorice does sound pretty terrible.
 
@DeadMG yeah, I find it insulting how bland chicken is.
 
the smell is worse than crippling stomach pain.
 
@thecoshman I totally cracked the puzzle!
 
Oh man, I spell so american.
 
@jalf I noticed
 
3:32 PM
I feel so flump.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When you did the nonius visual studio solution, what did you end up doing for the source files? Did you just "Add existing files" all the things and then arrange them in filters?
 
@DeadMG I call that work
 
@Borgleader Yes.
 
well I have a legal exemption so screw you
 
I resigned myself to the suckage.
 
Xeo
3:33 PM
I want to work again...
 
I wouldn't mind working, I'd like to earn some real money.
but the whole, crippling stomach pain, thing, isn't really employable.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes whore
@DeadMG seeing as it already hurts, why not let people guy punch you for money?
like a human stress ball
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How hilarious would it be to compile ogonek with "Character set - Use multi-byte character set"
I'm tired T_T
 
lol
 
@sehe I couldn't find it in 2012 either
 
3:40 PM
call in 20 minutes
TBH I am nervous as fuck
 
lol Visual Studio doesn't like .c++ files, it set them to "Does not participate in build"
what a retard
@BartekBanachewicz you'll be fine :D
 
No, it just looked at your code and decided that it shouldn't participate in any build, ever
 
@CatPlusPlus Joke's on you, it's ogonek
 
good luck with that
 
@Borgleader @R.MartinhoFernandes writes terrible terrible coed
First bit advise make this shit easier
2
 
3:43 PM
coed what?
 
@thecoshman hahaha wat
 
heh
 
@Borgleader :S
 
@DeadMG s/d$/d erotica./
 
It's a crappy joke, since installing Win8.1 is literally the same as installing Win7
 
Xeo
3:48 PM
we should have a liquorice challenge during the meetup, I could use some pocket money
 
gosh, it's been years since I heard that expression.
 
TIL C# is a version of C
 
Xeo
these are great
 
I don't write coeds.
 
3:49 PM
@Xeo MUST HAVE!
 
@Borgleader Heh - I was gonna post that link.
 
> any of the visuals
 
@XEO Y U NO SEND ME PIRATOS!
 
Why do you need Google Account to install Chrome addons
 
@thecoshman If I find some, I'll stock them for you.
 
3:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus so they can track you obviously
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes they're quite common in super markets
Real likely has them
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes MUST HAS NOW! (thank you)
 
Xeo
Kaufland definitly does
 
@Xeo Yeah, I just need to look through one of the Haribo shelves to find it amongst everything else.
 
:O you have 'Haribo shelves' :') it's like a dream come true
 
3:52 PM
lol
 
Hahahaaha I get 576 errors when compiling ogonek with VS xD
 
no surprise.
 
Too hip for VS.
 
> Error 29 error C1075: end of file found before the left brace '{' at 'e:\github\ogonek\deps\wheels\include\wheels\meta\noexcept.h++(24)'
I get a whole bunch of those
 
3:53 PM
those are undoubtedly error recovery fails after an unrelated error.
 
so what other amazing traditional German things should I try? Besides beer and buxom beauties?
 
Xeo
yeah, follow-up errors
 
probably due to how VS does not implement a bunch of the C++11 features that ogonek uses.
 
is this correct grammer: "thread has quit"
 
@StackedCrooked context
 
3:53 PM
@StackedCrooked QUIT YOUR LIFE
ahem.#
 
@thecoshman there is a thread and the thread has quit.
It is a log message that is posted as the last statement in the thread.
 
@StackedCrooked well, that is ok, if you mean that the thread has come to it's natural end of life.
 
pfft
 
Where are char32_t and byte defined in gcc?
 
3:55 PM
primitive threading.
 
but perhaps, 'thread is now finished'
 
char32_t is builtin (hahah, not in VS; will take forever to fix because Finagle knows why, it's not trivial, I guess)
byte is in one of my headers.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably just decided it was low priority rather than high cost.
 
user1804599
Ok
 
user1804599
I will write code in Scala tomorrow.
 
How much do strictly-redundant extra brackets in arithmetic expressions cost in terms of performance? It must be considerable because of the number of questions about evaluation order and operator precedence, eg:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21606372/does-precedence-make-to-be-executed-before
Please let me know so I can decide whether to go back through 35 years of source code, removing brackets:)
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Add an article to be sure.
 
user1804599
also lol “grammer”
 
Xeo
nom nom nom
 
@rightfold Grammer correct is spelling.
 
Xeo
3:59 PM
one of my favourites
 
@MartinJames Oh it's tremendous
 
Oh god... using byte = unsigned char; and 4 lines later it complains about not being able to find byte T_T
 
@Xeo er... are they fish flavoured...?
 
I thought they had fancy aliases by now.
 
Xeo
4:00 PM
@thecoshman lol, nah
 
@Borgleader void foo() { int x = 0; } // and four lines later it complains about not being able to find x`. Man, fuck C++, right?`
 
do you like lots of salt on your food @xeo?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OK, I'll start editing immediately... no, I'll have a beer instead.
 
It has little to no salt (as in sodium chloride).
 
Xeo
@thecoshman I love salt
 
4:01 PM
The "salty" taste is the ammoniac stuff.
 
Xeo
and salty tastes
 
@MartinJames ok
 
@Xeo ... that does sort of make sense then. I have hardly any salt on my food. A bit added whilst cooking, but never more at the table.
 
Xeo
Ohey, Alex also liked the Salty Fish
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ಠ_ಠ all salts are created equal
don't be racist!
 
4:03 PM
| Section2 = | Section3 = | Section4 = | Section4 = | Section7 = | Section8 = }} Copper(II) sulfate, also known as cupric sulfate or copper sulphate, is the chemical compound with the chemical formula CuSO4. This salt exists as a series of compounds that differ in their degree of hydration. The anhydrous form is a pale green or gray-white powder, whereas the pentahydrate (CuSO4·5H2O), the most commonly encountered salt, is bright blue. Copper(II) sulfate exothermically dissolves in water to give the aquo complex [Cu(H2O)6]2+, which has octahedral molecular geometry and is paramagne...
Have fun with that.
(DON'T)
 
> Different salts can elicit all five basic tastes, e.g., salty (sodium chloride), sweet (lead diacetate,....
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I think I know what's happening. I think intellisense is flipping it's shit, but the compiler can actually figure it out correctly.
 
someone out there is eating lead sweets, you just know it somewhere :S
 
It doesnt like ""_b wtv thing though, is that a fancy user-defined litteral?
 
Yes.
I have been gradually removing that one, though.
 
Xeo
4:07 PM
> It's not a good sign when your salmiac is called "Super Salmiakki". But when it's shaped like a fricken skull, you know you're in trouble.
 
Might be completely gone by now.
 
Xeo
haha
 
@Borgleader How surprising.
Also, I suck. What an amateurish failure.
 
@Xeo wants
 
Xeo
@Borgleader never trust intellisense
 
4:09 PM
What's with the salt things
It's like you're talking about it all day
 
Hmm i have to enable the not stuff
 
@Borgleader do you have to include that header on MSVC to get those keywords?
are you trying to port ogonek? :D
 
Yeah, as if all the Belguim was not enough, we are now invaded by the Finns and their revolting drinks. Lounge<Chemistry of salts>
 
Hmm, TeamCity cannot report test durations less than 1 ms.
Dammit.
 
Im wondering whether theres a Salmiac Colada
must be tough stuff :D
 
4:14 PM
Awww yeah 2142 errors now
 
Xeo
@Borgleader I think you misunderstood how 'bug solving' works - you're not supposed to make more.
 
Sep 1 '12 at 16:27, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I think I had my dosage of fun while I was chewing down on those 18k errors the other day.
 
| Section2 = | Section3 = | Section4 = | Section8 = }} Lead azide (Pb(N3)2) is an inorganic compound. More so than other azides, is explosive. It is used in detonators to initiate secondary explosives. In a commercially usable form, it is a white to buff powder. Preparation and handling Lead azide is prepared by metathesis between sodium azide and lead nitrate. Dextrin can be added to the solution to stabilize the precipitated product. The solid is not very hygroscopic, and water does not reduce its impact sensitivity. It is normally shipped in a dextrinated solution that lowers...
My favourite - explodes if you stare at it for too long.
 
I forgot to properly header-onlise some stuff. oops.
 
Ell
4:21 PM
I love salty flavours
2
inb4 semen
 
Xeo
... what
 
So I ask myself "well, how does Catch do it?"
The answer... with factories, obviously.
 
factory factories?
 
<windows.h> defines INFINITE as 4294967295
 
4:27 PM
@SamDeHaan FactoryMap const& getFactories()
 
now I know what I'll answer at my exams for
x^2 where x -> infinite
4294967295^2
and now infinite/infinite is clearly 1
 
user1804599
@Xeo yum.
 
user1804599
Drop is fucking lekker.
 
> Thank you for this bug report. The issue has been fixed and will be available in a version of Visual Studio following Visual Studio 2013.
oh bloody fucking hell
 
hihi
No fix for you.
 
4:37 PM
It was fixed in october last year
why isn't it in the fucking November CTP
 
At last! Someone has realized that my kindle cannot magically reach out and destroy avionics:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/business/ryanair-allows-use-personal-electronic-6677802
 
> It is further evidence, says the rover's deputy principal investigator, Ray Arvidson, that Mars was warmer and wetter in its distant past and had the potential, therefore, to support microbial life.
>
> "If I were there back when this material was being emplaced and altered, and I had my summer house, this is where I would drill to get good drinking water," he jokes.
Oh, he's joking? Well, thanks for clarifying. (Happy birthday, Oppy! <3)
 
Ell
how much of a working programme do you need until you start a bug tracker?
 
Cassini > Opportunity.
 
Ell
because obviously with no code at the start of a project there can't be any bugs but it doesn't work either
 
4:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How is that thing still working?
 
@MartinJames Amaze
 
Ell
starting a programming company would be awesome
 
@Borgleader what's that for?
Also ffs, my old university is apparently ditching old email accounts
 
now I need to change wherever I signed up with it for anything
Well, they didn't fix the initializer lists thing either, afaik
The MSVC team does not believe in bugfixes
Apparently the compiler in Update 1 is the exact same version as in RTM
 
4:52 PM
I didn't do anything today
fucking hurray (I feel guilty as fuck)
 
@Jefffrey you today
3
 
ugh, four exams coming up, and three are business/management stuff.
 
@Borgleader lol
 
Xeo
@Borgleader me the last 4 weeks :(
 
@Xeo You have a legit excuse though
 
Xeo
4:56 PM
is that a pun on 'leg'?
 
Xeo
missed chance
 
@jalf hehehe
 
user1804599
dat pun
 
Xeo
@jalf Update, not compiler update, teehee
 
4:58 PM
I really don't understand what's going on in the msvc team
 

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