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10:00 AM
@StackedCrooked Yep, that was kind of what I was playing around with. Just grabbing some random stack traces while it was running just to get an idea of how much time was spent on which phases of of compilation
 
Let me clarify: ~MyClass() { await new HttpClient().DeleteAsync(this.SomeInstance.Uri); } #HorriblyHorriblyHorriblyHorriblyWrong
@sehe, what language is this?
 
@Jefffrey Looks like C#
 
@Rapptz Oh, it makes the compiler to prefer .a files over .so files?
 
@jalf Your clang is broken.
 
@jalf oh! so similar to C++, yet so different
 
10:01 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I suspect so :)
 
I see no noticeable difference between clang and GCC.
Both run in under 100ms.
Oh wait.
 
either that, or my code was broken. I'll play around with it some more when I get home
 
Actually.
I see no noticeable difference between instantiating and not instantiating the template.
 
hm, me too
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hm, I do
 
10:03 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That seems like what I'd expect. 255 template instantiations should be fairly straightforward. A couple of ms maybe, so the more or less fixed overhead would dominate
 
Xeo
coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/31c2e6b5ec5463a6 try commenting the line in main
 
@Jefffrey Yeah. MyClass is a really bad name.
 
Xeo
39ms vs 87 for clang
 
Somewhat relevant, do you guys have an interesting NINJA_STATUS?
 
Anyway, I was really just curious about whether it'd be possible to profile the compiler by sampling a few stack traces while it's running, so just for testing out that, it really didn't matter how broken the compiler was :D
 
10:05 AM
@Xeo but clang is supposed to be super fast :(
(btw, where did that come from? is it their self-advertising?)
was gcc really that bad at compiling back then?
 
GCC hasn’t much improved either.
 
Xeo
I think it was pretty bad with instantiating templates, yeah
 
@Rapptz Clang has been catching up all along.
(Doing a good job at it, though)
 
> UndefinedBehaviorSanitizer (ubsan), a fast undefined behavior detector, has been added and can be enabled via -fsanitize=undefined. Various computations will be instrumented to detect undefined behavior at runtime. UndefinedBehaviorSanitizer is currently available for the C and C++ languages.
 
I’m not aware of any work in any direction since the change to instantiation lookup (that was a long time ago).
 
10:07 AM
hm, so gcc added this
 
Xeo
lol?
competition helps, eh
 
guess that clang pressure is getting to them
 
There is no ‘them’.
 
it
 
Xeo
doesn't matter to me if clang or gcc is better, tbh. the competition is what's important
 
10:08 AM
There is no ‘it’ either.
 
xir
 
Xeo
lol
g+= and clang+=? :D
 
@Xeo No change on my machine.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes @StackedCrooked's server sucks, obviously.
hm, I just noticed, I have to get going in 25mins
no wait, in 45mins. yeah.
 
Being hand feeding one of these (kookuburra) birds lately:
 
10:11 AM
@Xeo Is this like Chrome and Firefox are GCC and Clang and IE is MSVC?
browser wars are fun for the entire family, why can't compiler wars be?
 
Funny how the last two are both from Microsoft.
 
@Xeo I would measure 3 times and use median result.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
@Rapptz Swap GCC and Clang. It's clang that has all the hype.
 
Xeo
Oh gawd Robot, the question you just edited
@R.MartinhoFernandes And Clang/Chrome are the newer of the two
 
Chrome legitimately was really good back then :(
 
Don’t let evidence get in the way.
 
it seems gcc 4.9.0 will be releasing soon-ish
 
Xeo
will it release sharks?
 
yes
an increased amount of <regex> questions probably
 
Xeo
10:18 AM
gcc -fsharks
 
@Rapptz what will it release? :)
 
@Rapptz Yeah, it's like, they made Chrome, made it super good (for the time), then walked away and forgot about it.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz (hint: we're mocking the use of 'releasing' instead of 'released')
 
@Xeo both are valid as far as I'm concerned
you weenies
:(
 
Xeo
10:19 AM
releasing sounds weird
because it's active, not passive
 
@StackedCrooked no, the vtable initialization (which can be non-trivial as I remember)
 
It's continuous, not active.
 
Xeo
right
whatever, it's not passive
 
Will Coliru support colourful errors?
 
Xeo
10:21 AM
it's the acting one, instead of being acted upon (damn you Japanese particles!)
 
@jalf huh? which compiler implementation have you looked into here? Likely that same compiler invokes several virtual functions to emit object information for regular class hierarchies. But hey, if you don't wanna measure: OK BY ME! Me neither :)
 
@sehe Actually, I do wanna measure. But I'm not sure I can justify doing that while I'm at work :p
 
> ISO C11 generic selections (_Generic keyword) are now supported.
cool I guess
 
uh? what is that?
 
@Rapptz Actually, you can probably use ANSIFilter which translates the color codes to HTML (among other things) /cc @StackedCrooked
 
10:22 AM
@AndyProwl pseudo-function overloading
 
@Rapptz I wonder too.
 
@AndyProwl C catching up with C++! Better be watching that, lest C will be seen overtaking C++ in terms of genericity and robustness!
 
#define cbrt(X) _Generic((X), long double: cbrtl, \
                              default: cbrt, \
                              float: cbrtf)(X)
 
lolwut
 
@sehe lol, I totally see that coming
 
10:24 AM
@sehe anyway, you're right that the emitting object information would likely be the same (apart from the template class having longer symbol names, at least), but the parsing templates is more complex than parsing nontemplate classes. :)
But yeah, I'll play around with that at some point. Just not while I'm at work :D
 
@jalf I should have said parsing + transforming + emitting. But yeah. Measuring is the only way
 
overloading is nice, but also a can of worms
 
> A new C extension __auto_type provides a subset of the functionality of C++11 auto in GNU C.
 
Poor C programmers start to feel the need for a useful language
 
@Rapptz hehe
 
10:26 AM
this is like static_assert :/
What use does it have there?
 
@Rapptz What is?
 
@sehe Just the added name lookup of finding the template parameter type is going to cost more than a virtual call :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes auto in C.
 
Dat moment when the versatility of Boost Spirit surprises even a veteran user and fan of the library http://stackoverflow.com/a/21599963/85371 #cpp
^ I'd have used this more often myself :/
 
@Rapptz Implementation-dependent things like sizeof.
 
10:27 AM
I don't see much of a use of it there like I do in C++11
@LucDanton TIL sizeof doesn't return size_t in C?
 
What?
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
@jalf What are you keeping on conjecturing about :) Let's measure or drop it
 
user1804599
This test calls datetime.now() twice after one another and then asserts they are equal.
 
user1804599
And it fails on my machine. :S
 
user1804599
10:29 AM
What fool wrote this.
 
@rightfold Brillant
 
@LucDanton ?
 
@sehe It is no more conjecture than your initial claim that "virtual calls are inherently slower"
 
How much is sizeof(int)?
 
10:30 AM
We know that doing X involves Y. Therefore X costs as least as much as Y.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked 81
 
@LucDanton Oh. I'm talking about auto
 
user1804599
sizeof(auto) is a syntax error.
 
@jalf Key words: "keeping on"...
 
Just back off please, it's annoying to have your post edited within 5 seconds of your post without any consent. Nor is it constructive in any way. Just post a comment saying "hey I think you should change that to blah-blah-blah because it's confusing" instead of jumping the gun. — Emily L. 1 min ago
Sigh.
 
10:31 AM
Okay. Still, this is at the least unlike _Static_assert.
 
A virtual call involves a pointer indirection. Therefore a virtual call costs at least that much. We know that instantiating a template class with a given template argument involves figuring out what type the argument is. It is hardly "conjecture" to then say that "instantiating this template incurs a name lookup". If you want to argue that the compiler can do a name lookup faster than dereferencing a pointer, then I'd like to see an implementation of that
 
Considering the typical extensions to make e.g. min/max macros nice though…
 
@jalf Your claim wasn't that it's more work (it is!). Your claim was: it's slower. That depends on a whole lot more, and also has to be quite exceptional to be measurable on processing of a TU.
 
@jalf Dunno, corporations have all kinds of tricks like increased spending resulting in reduced taxes and stuff.
 
Your original claim can only be substantiated by empirical tests, as it depends on environment factors quite a lot.
 
10:33 AM
@sehe Being big enough to be easily measurable was never the issue.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o.o
 
@sehe O.o
 
I see the smilies are disappearing. @jalf @sehe
 
@jalf It was for me. How can you (usefully) argue something is slower if you don't care whether it's measurable? Academics were settled ~25 minutes ago
 
@sehe wat
My claim was "it is slower". Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly not "it is so slow that you will notice the difference". Until a minute ago, you've been pretending that "there is no possible way we can deduce that the work involved in instantiating a template takes longer than a single memory read". If the academics were settled 25 minutes ago, I didn't see it. When did that happen?
 
10:35 AM
yawn
 
but if that was settled 25 minutes ago, then I guess we agree. That's good
 
@jalf Nothing you said makes it slower. Just more work. It would stand to reason that it could be slower. But it could be faster.
(What if the template path is better optimized? What if it runs on an architecture that happens to favour that code path? What if memory fragmentation happens to be less?)
@jalf I agree it's more (inevitable) work, yes. As I've said all along :)
 
@sehe Is there any theoretical way in which it could be faster?
 
@jalf There is no theoretical implementation. Specifications don't have speed.
So, then you'd s/slower/more complex/, which is also granted
 
just to make sure I read this correctly
 
10:39 AM
@rightfold 81 ternary bits
 
you're discussing whether instantiating a template (CRTP-style) compiles slower than inheriting from a virtual-function-based interface?
 
trits, to be correct
 
Again, please do show me how it would be possible to implement template instantiation so that it is faster than one single memory read
Otherwise, I'm going to stand by my original claim
 
I don't see how it would be possible to implement inheritance in a single memory read
 
@jalf :s There is no burden of proof here.
 
10:41 AM
Thunking.
 
@DeadMG no, whether instantiating a template CRTP-style takes more time during compilation, than the time taken at runtime for a vtable lookup
 
ah.
 
Or some other form of JITting.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked tits?
 
user1804599
google.maps.Animation.DROP is glitched.
 
10:43 AM
well, I agree- I don't see how that's possible.
 
@rightfold ternary bit is called a trit according to Wikipedia.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, because sehe's original claim was that virtual calls are inherently slower than non-virtual ones because they have to do the vtable lookup. So that is the reference point I've been comparing against
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked I know.
 
but tits are good
 
@jalf Actually, I thought you were comparing compilation times of CRTP vs. virtual inheritance. I can see why you'd focus on the other comparison. It was your original /joke/(?) comparison. But it's also /apples to pears/
 
user1804599
10:43 AM
Malbolge is a machine language for a ternary machine.
 
so clever devirtualization tricks don't count :)
 
accessing even simple data about the template parameter type would essentially require a vtable lookup, so assuming that the compiler and the run-time are equally optimized and running on an equal speed platform.
 
@jalf I was answering the puppy.
 
@sehe It most certainly is apples to pears, yes :)
 
Xeo
 
10:44 AM
compilation time of CRTP vs compilation time of inheritance is a much more interesting question.
 
It's an entirely useless comparison
 
Xeo
@DeadMG that's what the discussion between jalf and sehe is about, I believe
 
@sehe ah yeah, I have no idea about the compilation time difference of those two. I'd still expect the CRTP path to take longer, but I wouldn't be sure
 
@Xeo does this enable "overloading on constexpr" via enable_if-like dispatch?
 
but yeah, my original (and silly/useless) comparison was time at compilation for CRTP vs time at runtime for a virtual call
 
10:45 AM
@Xeo Turns out that they don't even agree on what they were discussing :P
 
@StackedCrooked No. Not the way you want.
It's impossible.
 
@jalf Meh. Sorry. I misread this message. I mentally adjusted your question into one that makes a tiny bit of sense. FWIW: I hoped my very first reply would make it obvious that I was referring to compile-time overhead for virtual inheritance.
Anyways, This seems settled then for me. Misunderstanding
 
@jalf This obviously depends on the compiler structure, but I think I'd bet on CRTP to be faster.
 
@jalf Cheers
 
Hell++ slows down on code without CRTP on purpose.
 
10:48 AM
besides
IYAM the real crime about C++ compilation times is ODR.
 
Xeo
kay, time to run
 
@sehe Yeah, I guess I should have realized that too. Oh well, oopsie :)
 
@DeadMG that mostly affects link time, not?
 
only if the compiler/build system is written poorly (tip: in this way they all are)
 
@DeadMG hmm, interesting. What's your reasoning for that? :)
 
10:51 AM
you could ask on gcc mailing list
 
user1804599
It’s not Pythony, but rather C++1y.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... that's not what Hell++ is about though is it? I thought it was just taking the likes of UB and making it really bad :S
 
@thecoshman s/UB/C++/ s/really/maximally/
 
@jalf virtual inheritance involves a bunch of nasty code generation and such, whereas substituting a parameter is simple (assuming that the template doesn't use any crazy TC computations with it or something)
@StackedCrooked Imagine that you are parsing <vector>, and you encounter the std::vector template.
ODR states that it must be identical to any std::vector declared anywhere else in any other TU.
so if you submit multiple cpp files to GCC, there's no excuse for the compiler parsing std::vector again, or instantiating its members again if they already were, etc.
 
10:57 AM
@DeadMG but it also states that the compiler doesn't have to verify that it is identical
it can just assume that any old definition it is able to find is identical and can be used
 
yes, which is exactly what I'm suggesting that they do.
instead of wasting their time re-parsing it.
but Clang for example cannot ever share information between TUs, even when ODR permits them to.
 
I don't know how common it is to provide more than one TU per invocation.
 
which is a build system problem rather than a fault of the language.
 
7 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Rapptz Doesn't fit on Twitter.
:D :D :D
 
@DeadMG I don't know what GCC does if you pass multiple .cpp files in a command line. But I think it should be able to avoid the duplication.
 
10:59 AM
sometimes it really bugs me to see people complaining about slow compilation speeds and begging for modules when the optimizations obviously available already are undone.
 
BOOST_DEFINE_MATH_CONSTANT(half, 5.000000000000000000000000000000000000e-01, "5.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 
@DeadMG I don't know how workable it is to provide more than one TU per invocation.
 
twitter needs feed prioritization
 
why wouldn't it be workable to batch them?
 
11:01 AM
How do you perform subsequent compilations?
 
FYI, although that’s been here for some time already.
 
what do you mean?
@LucDanton Ah, so they are thinking about trying to do it.
 
Yes and no. Depends on your ‘they’.
 
yes.
 
we decided the Real-Time Rendering book was too boring and picked up this forward-thinking text instead: http://www.amazon.com/Start-Reskinning-Apps-Business-Today-ebook/dp/B00GRKU7EQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391629335&sr=8-1&keywords=reskinning+apps
oh god
why is this reskinning thing a thing
 
11:03 AM
> The client code is also in server.c.
 
I think that VS is the worst offender here since their project files already contain lists of translation units and pushing "Build" is pretty opaque to the user if you didn't futz around with replacing MSBuild.
 
fucking "apps"
and is that a book about how to steal someone's app then change it to look like you made it yourself, then sell it?
 
in any case, it kinda bugs me because in Wide, I have to handle N different copies of std::string :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
this is wrong on so many levels ...
 
11:06 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Seems so.
 
Tomalak, you newblet, it is called "re-skin" an app
I sometimes do that to my own apps
 
Or in English: stealing an app and then changing it to look like you made it yourself, then selling it.
 
How can you steal an app & re-skin it without acquiring the source code in the first place?
 
Anyone here know Arabic, we have a scientific debate here
 
I know some things about Arabic, but cannot read it.
 
11:09 AM
I do but I'm going to sleep
Have work in 3 hours
 
@Rapptz you can read Arabic?
 
Well, in great taste, the song from Sacha Baron Cohen's the dictator, is it real arabic?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh?
 
We have a debate if it's real Arabic
 
11:10 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, don't mind. Your plonks, I guess.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Means it may have been composed with pooey hands?
 
@Rapptz awesome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't get it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :P
 
11:10 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's kind of butchered and stereotypical "bro arab"
They're basically saying they like to smoke weed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit just smile and nod politely
 
@Rapptz How surprising.
 
bloody broarabs
 
@Rapptz Lol, that's pretty amusing. That all movie was stereotypical of course :)
 
11:11 AM
@thecoshman One of the three languages I was born with
I know it's not like that but I like to call it that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum A lot of arabs find it funny
I can bet a lot of my friends got a kick out of that movie
 
I take it you didn't?
 
Never watched it
 
Ah, it's not nearly as good as Borat, but it's still kind of nonsense humor funny.
 
11:17 AM
not as good as Borat?
I find such a thing difficult to imagine.
did they just put up the title and then roll credits?
 
@Rapptz huh, along with what else?
 
English and Spanish
 
@DeadMG I would actually enjoy that. For a few minutes.
 
Why do IT people sound so grouchy all the time?
 
@Rapptz Wouldn't you be?
 
user1804599
11:21 AM
Because IT is terrible.
 
Don't know, I'm not in IT
 
Their job is a series of "Can you fix my computer?"
 
I like to stretch other people's system and watch it break (like I sometimes do on Stackoverflow)
 
I actually enjoyed my year doing that. Was so much more satisfying compared to this daily grind. Maybe it was where I was working that made it enjoyable.
I guess it's nice when the most demanding situation you get is "hey, the projector in my room just broke, was kind of planning on using it a good bit, any chance you can bring a spare one over?". Even nicer when you can say "sorry, no spare ones right, maybe ask another teacher near by" and you get a reasonable "oh well that is a shame, nothing can be done though, so I guess I have to work around that"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's nothing wrong with that as long as the person learns something from you fixing their computer, so they're not back tomorrow with the same issue. The problem is that, from personal experience, the people I've fixed computers for, don't learn, and keep having to go back fixing the same problems.
 
11:32 AM
In this place everything is a big deal that has to be fixed yesterday and could have been prevented if heads were taken out of asses long ago. No response is ever reasonable. Nothing is planned out more than shit storm to shit storm. Appreciation is never given for anything, bar generic "didn't you all do grate".
 
@TonyTheLion That's what "Can you fix my computer?" was referring to.
 
@thecoshman Ugh. Get out of there. Seriously, that's a terrible situation to work in.
 
@TonyTheLion yeah, I never really got too much of that. Plus I am surprisingly patient with shit like that.
@TonyTheLion :')
 
@TonyTheLion computers are magic for regular people
there might as well be a fairy trapped inside of their PC for all they care
 
The nice thing about the place where I currently work is that I get appreciation for what I do. A "well done" from my superior is not uncommon when I produce something that does what is asked for.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I realize that.
 
11:35 AM
Just another brick in the wall rubble pile.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's very true, unfortunately.
For most people in my family, computers are indeed magical things that "do stuff" when you click or press buttons.
 
sametiez
 
@TonyTheLion Isn't that how TVs work? And phones? And cars? And planes? And washing machines?
 
sure :P
 
@thecoshman are you talking about the lounge?
 
11:39 AM
lol
 
Talking about planes, I was reading up on how they work. Actually quite interesting.
 
@Jefffrey sure, why the fuck not
 
Telecon I got: "Hi, I've lost my connection to my test box in the lab". "OK, lets see if we can narrow the problem down. First, can you ping the router in the lab, it's on xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". "Can't you do that?". "Not in any useful way from here, you have to try from your machine". "Why are you asking me to do your job, just get it fixed, I need it for Mon.." 'click' as I slam down handset.
 
@thecoshman Is that relating to what I said just above? or to what you said?
 
@TonyTheLion both :S
 
11:41 AM
@TonyTheLion It's like birds, but with metal parts and electronics.
 
@MartinJames lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yea :) :P
 
> note: candidate expects 2 arguments, 2 provided
Okay.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ornithopters are funky cool!
 
Still not sure if I should risk getting into MTG
 
Well, as always Robot, you have proved endlessly useful.
 
You asked an undecidable question
so as a Robot, he had no answer for you
computability theory and all that :P
 
@TonyTheLion no I didn't. I didn't ask a question.
 
11:45 AM
> still not sure
its implied
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOL that lore line
 
and stop contradicting me
biatch :P
 
oh wait it's called "flavor"
 
main.cpp: In function 'int main()':
main.cpp:13:8: error: no match for call to '(foo) (const int&)'
     f(i);
        ^
main.cpp:1:8: note: candidate is:
 struct foo {
        ^
main.cpp:13:8: note: foo::ptr {aka void (*)(int&)} <conversion>
     f(i);
        ^
main.cpp:13:8: note:   candidate expects 2 arguments, 2 provided
Worth a bug report?
 
@TonyTheLion no it's not. What is implied is helpful communication.
 
11:47 AM
@thecoshman On one hand, I'd tell you 'yes' because I really like the game and find it immensely fun. On another hand, I'd tell you 'no' because, at least for me, it ends up taking a way too big share of my free time in detriment of other things I want to do; might be a personal issue. On the gripping hand, I don't have another a third option, but I wanted to say "on the gripping hand" because I really like that expression.
 
Right, if the conversion operator is instead a good old call op then it’s ‘note: no known conversion for argument 1 from 'const int' to 'int&'’. Time to file.
 
imagine TCGs as this
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes TIL On the gripping hand
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m not racist but that was a very gratuitous use of an expression here.
 
11:48 AM
that's the hole, and you throw your money inside
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... your butt?
 
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26058935 <-- that pensioner seems like a right dirty nasty little piece of work
 
@thecoshman What.
 
is it me or is figuring out what @thecoshman means sometimes just really hard?
 
@LucDanton Hey, I like Moties. Mote used to be my favourite book.
 
11:50 AM
Why would that be a factor lol?
 
@TonyTheLion I'm seriously unsure if I should take it as written or try to interpret "your butt" as a typo. Neither makes sense.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a third 'hand' to grip stuff with?
 
@BartekBanachewicz IIRC a house fell into that hole and one person died.
 
Btw, the Jargon File is wrong.
 
11:51 AM
It seems like a punishment by the Gods.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv it's your ass hole... you're an ass hole
 
It originates in Mote, not The Gripping Hand.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sinkhole? Things like that never seem to happen in the right places. Underneath the local tax offices would be better.
 
@StackedCrooked y
(I love that meme)
 
11:52 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it doesn't say it did originate in that, just that that is where the title comes from.
 
Well, technically, it originates outside Mote, but before The Gripping Hand was published.
I'm talking to myself.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're one huge nerd
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... am I not real then?
 
@thecoshman Oh.
I think esr fixed it since then, then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Y U NO READ
 
11:53 AM
It used to be wrong.
 
Also I have a free coffee in starboobs to claim
 
@BartekBanachewicz This used to be my favourite book, so I know a lot about it. It's normal.
 
@thecoshman Better real than float.
I wonder if ThePhD is still doing his FP operation after two days?
 
@MartinJames doing which what?
 
@LucDanton It's not racist if I like Moties!
Wait, you didn't accuse me of racism.
 
11:56 AM
Yeah.
 
@thecoshman He was doing FP operations with pencil and paper:)
 
@MartinJames ... I feared you might mean that.
ITT The Robot needs a reboot
 
YIL that Java has a robot class.
 
@thecoshman If that means sleep, yes.
 

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