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12:01 PM
Guys,
 
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if I ever get far on my game, do you think Bjarne will actually voiceact for it? :3
 
user1804599
No.
 
> 21 Statues Who Are Having A Worse Day Than You buzzfeed.com/robinedds/…
 
If you make a Cv<T, some_type> ‘concept’ then with concepts-lite you can abstract over cv-qualifications: template<Cv<int> Arg> auto foo(Arg&& arg);
Random thought :v
 
@LucDanton meaning you can require c/v-qualification or you can easily work with? I'm afraid it's just the first. But the real gain would be with the second, right?
 
12:05 PM
There might be a benefit for purposes of overload resolution (which is one of the drawbacks of using a template like so currently — no partial ordering), but I’m not really up to date on those rules.
 
user3010322
@sehe 15 is the best.
 
Agreed
 
user1804599
I like 9.
 
21. with the title is nice
 
user3010322
> "Shouldn't I throw him in a fire?" -- Holy Fucking Shit <__>
 
user3010322
12:13 PM
If you don't have a kid, you're not missing out.
 
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I personally have experience with a #4-like dealio.
 
12:39 PM
ooookey
time to start this day
I have to respond to this guy from ireland
 
So we're technically correct now?
 
okey, I've responded saying that I'm fucking 21 and asking him to check twice if he wants me for a senior position
nanana batman
 
@BartekBanachewicz why would you do that?
You clearly have no idea how bad most 'junior' people are.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum because a) I don't really want to move b) that is a serious concern
 
user1804599
12:53 PM
scala> BitSet(1, 2, 3).map(_ + 1)
res3: scala.collection.immutable.BitSet = BitSet(2, 3, 4)

scala> BitSet(1, 2, 3).map(_.toString)
res4: scala.collection.immutable.SortedSet[String] = TreeSet(1, 2, 3)
 
user1804599
This is funny. Different result types.
 
@rightfold well, to be fair a BitSet is a SortedSet
 
user1804599
Yes, but when possible it chooses the more derived type.
 
and .map is defined on SortedSet , I see what you mean but I wouldn't call it surprising.
Especially since iirc .map maps to a Set and not even a SortedSet.
 
man, I used string.Split('.')[1]; to get a file extension in a file named foo 01.02.2014.txt
Fail
 
12:55 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum My target is a regular dev position
 
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@TonyTheLion lol splitting on period.
 
what's the usual time you're on a normal dev position before being promoted to senior?
 
user1804599
Use a proper path manipulation library, phagget.
 
@BartekBanachewicz most people who work as developers are really bad.
 
I could have just used System.IO.Path.GetExtension
 
12:56 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it might surprise you just how bad, but that's the case.
 
I suck
 
user1804599
Meanwhile in Ukraine …
 
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man that only took 1.5 days to find
 
user3010322
Why wouldn't you take a senior position?
 
12:57 PM
this dumb bug
 
user3010322
You'd be in control, Bartek!
 
I am not sure if I want to be in control of a large project
what if I fuck up
 
user1804599
Then everybody will be mad at you but still nothing bad will happen.
 
I need way more experience to lead bigger projects than a small hobby shit
My previous experience tells me I need more experience
 
user3010322
Recursive Experience Gain
 
user3010322
12:59 PM
Until you stack overflow into a senior position?
 
user1804599
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh yeah, you need more experience to lead a project :D No argument there, I'm not saying go be project manager - I'm saying go work as a senior on something.
 
I could try leading a lounge project, then after a month you'd all shout at me how bad I am and I'd end up crying in the corner
2
 
Again, I think you just don't grasp how utterly shit most people in this industry are.
 
user3010322
Well, nobody except Cat has really led a Lounge Project.
 
user3010322
1:00 PM
And Cat did a good job. The only reason I can't continue is because I'm in University right now.
 
You only interact with people who're programmers and visit programming communities and like what they do.
 
user3010322
Shit eats up a lot of time.
 
Most programmers don't go on programming chats, or programming websites. Most programmers don't open a GH account or an SO one.
While there are plenty of competent programmers who don't interact with the community - the vast majority are shit.
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum I think I bring a healthy dose of shit to this chat room, every day.
 
Most programmers take programming just as a job and care about other things in life
3
 
1:01 PM
I haven't really met any incompetent programmers outside my uni
 
@AndyProwl precisely.
 
@AndyProwl well okay those I've met
 
@ThePhD :D
 
one of my colleagues is just like that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Think of the industry as FULL of your uni.
 
1:02 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Sometimes I wonder if they should really be blamed for that
 
I hate it, but he's doing his job way better than me
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum at least I'm paid there
 
@AndyProwl no, it just means that @BartekBanachewicz should probably not go do a junior position
 
whereas I have to pay to continue my uni
 
user3010322
1:02 PM
I forgot when Dev Fest starts today. =[
 
Anyway, I'm off to do IT for my family :/ cya.
 
@BartekBanachewicz: If I were you I'd take the opportunity of going for a senior position
 
I'm afraid I won't be able to do it :/
 
the worst thing that can happen is you gain a lot of experience by failing
 
Especially when that involves me, like, moving to another country
 
1:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz OK, that's understandable, but it's a different thing
I mean of course you should be concerned with the possibility of failing and do everything it takes to avoid it
but don't let it scare you out
 
@BartekBanachewicz do it imo, better getting decent € and too difficult work than the alternative imo
 
user3010322
I want senior banana sandwich, for that premium taste!
 
And you can always say you thought they meant a señor position
 
Eh, I should stop thinking about dropping out anyway
 
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That's the spirit!
 
1:06 PM
Yeah, go for it
 
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Also.... I have noooo idea what material to connect with this thing u__u
 
that way I can spend that last year learning more about TDD and Git and improving my code organization
oh and Javascript too.
 
which makes total sense. Learning those things while you're biologically young will also give you an advantage over many other programmers
 
user3010322
Javascript is kinda fun.
 
@ThePhD told you you'd like it.
 
user3010322
1:07 PM
Still am not liking that I can't tell the type of anything until I use it. =[
 
user1804599
Javascript is non-existent.
 
@ThePhD you can.
 
user1804599
And JavaScript is not very nice.
 
JS is awesome :D
 
user3010322
I think I still prefer C++. =[
 
1:09 PM
okey, so plan for today, a) prepare for DB exam tomorrow, b) move my Visualization project forward c) Work on Haste plugin
 
Gonna just leave that and go eat :)
 
@ThePhD C++ has a lot of boilerplate which is amazingly annoying once you start using something that doesn't have that problem
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Believe me, I understand the boilerplate problem very well. ._.
 
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And I wish I could fix it.
 
JS is an OK language if you only care about the end-effect and less about the quality of code
then it's absurdly fast to do stuff with and that one thing I like
 
user3010322
1:11 PM
Yeh.
 
How is Haskell's <*> pronounced?
 
user3010322
Blarghaghagha. Now I need to associate a material index with each goddamn primitive.
 
user3010322
@AndyProwl "Sharp Anus" ?
 
@AndyProwl applicative compose/application?
 
@ThePhD Ah that must be it. Thanks!
@BartekBanachewicz Hm, apply perhaps?
I'd need a short name so I can spell it out when reading it
 
user1804599
1:12 PM
@AndyProwl Sequential application.
 
like bind for >>=
 
I'd go for applicative application.
 
@rightfold So I guess I can read it as apply?
 
for the fun of it.
 
apply applicative application
 
user3010322
1:12 PM
@ScarletAmaranth How do you store and reference materials for a primitive? Does each primitive have an id of some sort, or a pointer to a material?
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl “apply” would be the space operator or the PHP operator.
 
aw yiss
@rightfold or $
 
@AndyProwl ap
 
what about lift-apply? @Andy
 
@rightfold Right
 
1:13 PM
Which is short for apply, to tell the truth.
 
@LucDanton Could work out
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm, it doesn't actually lift, rather the opposite
 
user1804599
Ugh, stringly typed cancer.
 
@AndyProwl Not making it up though.
 
user1804599
using driver_creator_function = std::function<driver_interface *()>; lol
 
1:15 PM
what the hell
 
@LucDanton Ah, that's settled then. Thanks!
 
user1804599
Aaahhhaha.
 
oh i forgot i have my sweet cute colorful shell here
 
user3010322
for (;;) is equivalent to while(true), right?
 
user1804599
That transaction type not using RAII.
 
user3010322
1:16 PM
As in, they both loop forever?
 
@ThePhD y, but I prefer the latter
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah I see what you meant. Like a "lifted" apply
 
user3010322
Hokay.
 
@AndyProwl mhm.
 
._.
 
1:17 PM
damn I want my chair from work here :/
 
user3010322
@melak47 It will be the last day before you play it!
 
user3010322
Ba dum tss!
 
they are so awsum
but cost like 15x more than mine at home
 
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Hm.
 
user3010322
So I think... that covers my material class pretty okay?
 
1:24 PM
we don't see the class
oh god
my VM disk is full
what do i do what do i do
 
delete stuff
expand it
whatever :D
 
1:42 PM
@melak47 well you bought a prerelease what were you expecting?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that steam works :p
 
unless you can expect the game to be released in 147 days 1 hour!
Anyone tried Rust?
 
@Xeo plink
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I have, for something like fifteen minutes.
 
worth it?
 
1:47 PM
Sort of.
Oct 12 '13 at 23:25, by Luc Danton
Good news, already starting to hate Rust.
 
I read a review that sums to "rust is a game where you see naked man with rocks in their hand until someone shot"
 
er
I think Luc was referring to Rust the language?
 
Oh, the game. Then no.
That explains the question :v
 
ah yeah what about the language then?
 
uh fuck gparted
 
1:48 PM
never got anything to compile on osx
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix His opinion of it is already clearly stated up above :P
 
It has a long way to go. I like how they are refining and removing lots of features in preparation for a 1.0 release.
 
it looks nice but the last time I tried it just didn't compile even the smallest samples on their site..
 
The language is a moving target. I wouldn’t trust resources to be up to date.
 
quite possible
and maybe even the rust in brew isn't up to date
 
2:02 PM
I like the current view from my apartment. Slightly foggy, but also bright.
 
ygh fucking linux programmers
and their inability to create tools that are actually usable
@StackedCrooked a rainbow!
 
@BartekBanachewicz ikr
@BartekBanachewicz yep :)
 
my backyard is full of snow
anyway I can't resize a lvm2 partition because FUCK YOU
 
I'm currently trying out this cheese.
It turns out to be similar to Brie.
 
fucking shit
fuck this bullshit system
god damn it
 
2:08 PM
@StackedCrooked doesn't look like a brie box, looks like cream cheese
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Rucphense Heide is nicer, though I don’t live there.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Officially it's not Brie because that's probably a protected name.
But it does taste similar.
@rightfold Any Heide is probably nicer than some suburb.
 
How can Brie be a protected name is this serious?
 
user1804599
If I look outside, all I see is trees.
 
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And a church behind other trees.
 
2:13 PM
If I look outside, all I see is deception
 
@rightfold trees are nice
 
in Perl, Oct 1 '13 at 15:44, by Starsong
Perl isn't a dead language.
teehee
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz irrelevant.
 
oh but of course
 
Three European Union schemes of geographical indications and traditional specialities, known as protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), and traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG), promote and protect names of quality agricultural products and foodstuffs. They are based on the legal framework provided by the EU Regulation No 1151/2012 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 21 November 2012 on quality schemes for agricultural products and foodstuffs. This Regulation (enforced within the EU and being gradually expanded internationally via ...
 
2:13 PM
If I look through my other window, all I see is old men masturbating. That's why I never take pictures from that window.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked start a tumblog and post such pictures on there.
 
maybe that could be profitable
 
user1804599
 
lol
that may already exist
 
So concerning the class connection in this DB API proposal for C++ I found this:
> There is no constructor, which includes the call to open(), defined. open() maybe a long running operation, at
least in a failing situation (e.g. a network timeout). Most programmers expect constructors to be executed
fast. "
Does that make sense to you?
 
user1804599
2:17 PM
No.
 
user1804599
No two-phase initialisation.
 
yeah
 
user1804599
The proposal is shit.
 
user1804599
It does string typing and globals.
 
user1804599
And it uses subtype polymorphism where this is not required if the design wasn’t terrible.
 
2:19 PM
oh. haven't met the string typing part I guess
this doesn't make me look forward
 
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namespace driver_registry
{
 using driver_creator_function = std::function<driver_interface *()>;
 void register_driver(const std::string &name, driver_creator_function creator);
 void unregister_driver(const std::string &name);
 std::shared_ptr<driver_interface> make_driver(const std::string &name) const;
};
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl this abomination.
 
ah, I see what you mean
 
fucking shit
my resized partition would start at a different place
 
user1804599
virtual connection_interface *make_connection() const = 0;
 
2:20 PM
and fdisk won't allow me to align it
god fucking damn it
to hell with linux
 
@rightfold ew
 
user1804599
Good job, C++11+ with unclear ownership semantics.
 
I'm also wondering if there should be an alternative way of constructing an SQL command than just providing the string
 
user1804599
virtual int get_count() const = 0; Standard style would be just count().
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl It shouldn’t be SQL-specific anyway.
 
user1804599
2:22 PM
I don’t see how a generic DB library would be useful.
 
user1804599
Without generating queries or a lot of duplication, your program cannot be portable across DBMSes anyway.
 
god damn it
it's a fucking joke
 
ok, screw that proposal, I'm going to read something more interesting
 
user1804599
I don’t like SQL. I prefer something generatable. This is where MongoDB shines, but MongoDB lacks transactions which is a horrible mistake.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yep! Episode 18 is out. And it does not fail to deliver! :D
 
2:26 PM
LOL. That's the coolest thing ever on SE chat
 
@sehe scroll a bit above
 
@StackedCrooked Yup, seen that one already! :) It's pretty awesome indeed. Correction: Hold on, no I haven't, I watched 17 2 days ago, I must have skipped one o_O
 
@BartekBanachewicz brillant
 
@sehe that was on the starboard
 
@sehe I give it the $ in $approval.
 
2:29 PM
@BartekBanachewicz expand it
 
@sehe too late
 
@LucDanton undef $\perl?
 
trashed it
 
good thinking
 
@ScarletAmaranth I was worried for a second that somebody was more up-to-date with anime than me.
 
2:31 PM
installing Lubuntu now
 
@ScarletAmaranth That CAN NOT BE!
 
@StackedCrooked The last one I saw was with the princess interrupting the meeting so as to announce that she was heading to convince adventurers... that's NOT the latest one, right?
 
indeed
 
"use LVM?" - NO FUCKING SHIT NO FUCK YOU
 
current ep has the princess in Akihabara.
 
2:34 PM
@sehe in perl? wouldn't have guessed
 
@doug65536 the greatest thing that could possibly happen with perl is burnination
 
@StackedCrooked I shall watch that right away! :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz aw, perl is ok. do you hate perl because you don't know it or what?
 
@doug65536 no, I hate it because it's fucking terrible
 
2:43 PM
hm, lubuntu looks orite so far
though lack of font smoothing hurts
maybe I'll just use it headless
 
@BartekBanachewicz you need to configure ~/.Xresources
 
@doug65536 false alarm, it's just sucky terminal
otherwise looks ok
perfect for a VM
 
yeah, lol, most distros distribute those crap terminals. I guess for an emergency backup in case you screw up the good one
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth Psssssssst. So far I have things like Diffuse, Specular, and Emission and Transmission for my materials.
 
user3010322
Do you think I'd need any other color properties on it?
 

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