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6:00 PM
while I am spamming here with guitars BTW ^, those are made in Poland
 
user1804599
Is Apache Solr any good?
 
@rightfold what's that?
 
@ThePhD it's very complicated for me with AMP
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz software that aids in full-text search.
 
> Solr is written in Java and runs as a standalone full-text search server within a servlet container
would not fuck
 
user1804599
6:11 PM
I doubt that matters even the slightest.
 
I don't trust software written in Java
I had mostly bad experience with everything written in Java
 
user1804599
Then you could just as well stop living in this world.
 
@rightfold something like sphinx?
 
@BartekBanachewicz same here
 
user1804599
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I think so. Is Sphinx any good?
 
6:12 PM
@rightfold I use it if I'm forced to
 
@BartekBanachewicz Example: Eclipse. it's as though they don't even try the damn thing
 
I heard it is, never heard of Solr so
 
@doug65536 Minecraft
 
@BartekBanachewicz You paid a lot of money for a phone running Java :ssh:
 
6:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus it's on Dalvik so it's not The Java
also it wasn't that much money, really
 
And you can run Solr on OpenJDK, so that's still extremely dumb thing to say
 
also it's not like I particularly like Android
 
@rightfold if craiglist, tumblr, mozilla and avito.ru uses it. It's probably not bad
 
I'd rather use iOS but iPhones were simply too expensive when I was buying my phone
@CatPlusPlus the fact that my experience wasn't good isn't "dumb" or "not dumb"; it's just my personal experience
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz the software was written in Java.
 
6:16 PM
games are written in C++ for android
or in Lua
or in whatever really
 
ow.
starbound is tough
 
user1804599
or in Java
 
Or Javascript, of course.
 
I doubt Java is now a sensible choice for android games
either you want something quick and easy and you go Lua
or a big 3D game and you use C++
 
user1804599
6:17 PM
Java is not a sensible choice anyplace, anywhere, anytime.
 
@DeadMG at first yes but it's pretty cool
 
I renamed this loungecpp.net/w/The_1st_Great_Lounge_Conference. Sounds a lot more official now.
 
@Nican meh, all this phonegap and friends is utter bullshit
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix if Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Boston Strangler were all serial killers, it's probably not bad
 
if you're using JS just make it a web app
fuck web apps disguised as phone apps
at least Firefox OS got that right
 
6:18 PM
6 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I don't trust software written in Java
So you tried all software written in Java I suppose
 
of course not.
why the hell would you jump to conclusions in such a way amazes me
 
@CatPlusPlus cat defending Java? :O
 
he's a fan
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@CatPlusPlus the fact that my experience wasn't good isn't "dumb" or "not dumb"; it's just my personal experience
 
yeah copy my messages again
so we can read them again
 
6:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'd love to hear you defend Java
 
one thing I would like to know is why all java training consists of teaching people to overengineer everything all to hell
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix My species seems to be allergic to the water on the starting planet.
 
@DeadMG lol
 
@DeadMG you mean acid? it's green ?
 
@doug65536 because java excels at allowing people that aren't particularly talented in producing software to produce software
Java is not about all the fancy coding things you might have heard about
 
6:23 PM
@doug65536 because people aren't teaching Java but Java Enterprise!
 
its simplicity is a huge benefit for people who have problems learning (or not wanting to learn) more complicated programming concepts
which isn't bad, mind it.
 
@doug65536 job safety
 
meh, COBOL gives you way more
 
user2260218
Hey all, can anybody tell me how to compile C on Windows?
 
@Anthony well you need a compiler. Do you have one?
 
user2260218
6:26 PM
No, I don't.
 
@Anthony MinGW or MSVC express are two free ones
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix "You're not allergic to the water; it's just that your planet is covered in acid instead."
 
user2260218
Are they abundant? People have told me to use cygwin...
 
@Anthony yep. Both are free to use.
 
@Anthony or clang
 
6:27 PM
@DeadMG Yeah It also surprised me the first time, if you did deep enough you'll find water and then ice and lava, sometimes it rains and on the surface there will be water
 
user2260218
@doug65536 I'm a little confused as to why this isn't as straight up as compiling Java?
 
@Anthony MinGW is a commandline toolkit, and MSVC is a full-fledged IDE. Don't know what your needs are.
@Anthony it is as straight up. You need sources and a compiler.
 
@Mysticial Our cloaking device is failing, rotate the shield harmonics at once!
 
@Anthony you prefer monopolies?
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Trucks>: Dat's a sweet pickup! [maken-not-newed] [raii] [sfinae]
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Can you freeze to death?
 
6:29 PM
@DeadMG yes :(, you need a source of heat to survive
 
my character is supposed to be a robot so I'm not sure why he seems to be complaining about the diminishing temperature.
fuckin' pussy.
 
user2260218
@doug65536 No, but for instance, Java I just downloaded jdk and was done. I don't understand why there is any room for confusion on my behalf for something as common as a C compiler. I mean, I know that I am particularly airheaded as well, but it just seems bizarre to me.
 
@Anthony Probably, whoever tried to tell you what to do was a moron.
 
@Anthony because there are many C compilers and their bundles available. You just have to pick one.
 
@Anthony pick a compiler, download that, and you'll be done. what's the problem
 
6:29 PM
@DeadMG even machines stop working at low temperature (cars for example), or remember Terminator?
 
fucking hell, I hate web design
 
@Jefffrey what's up?
Can I help?
 
no, but thanks :)
 
user2260218
Thank you guys.
 
user2260218
What do they use in industry?
 
6:31 PM
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"they" use whatever "they" need to use.
 
user2260218
I see. What is Visual Studio good for?
 
@Anthony taking a lot of money out of your pocket, crashing on each updates
 
visualizing your studios.
 
@Anthony you get the editor, debugger, build system, compiler all in one
 
user2260218
6:32 PM
For what languages, though?
 
user2260218
I got it for free since I was a student, should I use it?
 
@Anthony F#, C#, C++ and JavaScript mostly
@Anthony if you have it installed already I see no reason why you shouldn't.
 
@Anthony Why don't you just check their website?
it's honestly not hard to find out.
 
user2260218
Alright... I was getting very confused about things.
 
6:33 PM
@DeadMG I believe that Robots don't have to eat though but I'm not sure
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I already starved to death more than once
 
Starbound is still in beta and has a lot of weird things like Spaceships fueled with Coal
 
lol really?
 
@Anthony Here's a feature list.
 
I could fuel my ship with all my spare coal?
 
user2260218
6:34 PM
I guess my confusion with the C compilers, is that things like MinGW say that they are a port of GNU compiler, and even cygwin is also some kind of port, right? Why do people have to port things to windows? Why doesn't windows have functionality like ssh, or apparently the ability to compile C easily?
 
That's what it's for
 
user2260218
@JerryCoffin Thank you.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Coal actually has quite high energy density (higher than jet fuel, for one obvious comparison).
 
@DeadMG melting 10 wood you produce 1 coal
 
@Anthony because GNU stuff is mostly developed for POSIX systems
 
6:35 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Melting wood? That sounds tricky.
 
well it's the same thing to melt ore so I'm not so sure how you'd call that
 
@Anthony What percentage of Windows users do you think want or need a C compiler supplied with the OS, (or, indeed, any compiler).
 
@martijnpieters - I don't think it's fruitful to "just close" this as it is most clearly not an "exact duplicate". In fact this lists entirely different symptoms. Sysadmins will know that good problem analysis starts with good reporting of the symptoms. This way, seems to be a recipe to miss the symptom reports. — sehe 15 secs ago
 
@Anthony Windows has a compiler suite available for it- VS. It's just that unlike Linux, it's not completely unusable without one.
 
6:38 PM
^ this
 
@DeadMG How's linux not usable without a C compiler? I haven't used a distro that ships with one in many years
 
user2260218
@DeadMG What do you mean?
 
user2260218
@BartekBanachewicz What I'm saying though, is Windows and Linux are two different OS's, right? Why then, can't some of the basic functions that are so useful on Linux, be easily, independently, remade on Windows. Certainly things like ssh and compiling C were used on Windows, separately from Linux, for a while-right?
 
@Anthony Most software for Linux is distributed in source form, so most Linux distributions include compilers. Most software for Windows is in object form, so Windows normally doesn't.
 
user1804599
Elasticsearch seems good.
 
6:40 PM
@JerryCoffin Most software for linux is distributed in packaged form. Binary packages.
Of course, there are exceptions (likely, gentoo/arch?)
Even gentoo has binary ebuilds
 
@Anthony Compiling C isn't really a basic function. And it was done, Microsoft C Compiler in Visual Studio is 100% windows creation.
 
user2260218
@JerryCoffin that makes sense to me. But then, again, way back when, what did they use to compile C on windows?
 
user2260218
Was that the standard, then @BartekBanachewicz?
 
@Anthony Most of those capabilities (including ssh and gcc) predate Linux and were available on Windows before Linux existed.
 
@Anthony why are you concerned about ancient times?
 
6:41 PM
@sehe voted to re-open
It always helps me. — karakale 2 hours ago
 
times change
tools evolve
 
user2260218
I understand, and I'm fine with that, but for my own sanity I would like to understand how it worked way back when.
 
well back then it was Unix, and before that it was @JerryCoffin
 
@sehe Arch uses binary packages.
 
@Anthony The compiler suite that Microsoft provided, and there were also commercial competitors that have mostly failed since then.
 
6:43 PM
It has nice source support but the official repos are all binaries.
 
@Anthony Microsoft C, Borland Turbo C, and Lattice C, Comeau C, and (depending on exactly when you look) about a zillion others.
 
user2260218
@DeadMG Where is that compiler suite now? The one for visual studio?
 
user2260218
Oh, alright. @JerryCoffin are they impractical to use?
 
user2260218
Also @JerryCoffin how can you ssh using just windows software?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well he is looking for a C compiler and C is ancient ;)
 
6:44 PM
@Jerry ICC!
 
@Borgleader C11 is not
 
user2260218
Or rather, non-ported.
 
@Anthony Um, using a SSH client?
 
@Anthony why does it matter for you?
 
Perhaps I should rephrase: source is at least available for the vast majority of software on Linux, but not on Windows. For various reasons, a much larger percentage of Linux users build their software from source code.
 
user2260218
6:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz, again, just curious. Having to download something like putty seems bizarre to me. Why can't terminal achieve this?
 
because SSH isn't a terminal
 
@Anthony Who in their right mind would want to use the terminal on Windows?
 
@Anthony that'd be because microsoft has its own ecosystem
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Didn't exist yet "way back when."
 
also, all a terminal does mostly is execute other programs... you still need an ssh client.
 
6:46 PM
they aren't particularly inclined to implement Open standards, but that's changing
 
@Anthony erm ssh on Linux is a separate program too. It isn't a feature of the 'terminal'
 
like Git support in MSVS for example
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. So it's even more binary bias than I thought. Is it Mandriva then that was source based?
 
and when you ssh a server it may actually open a terminal on the other side
 
@DeadMG All day
 
6:46 PM
You have to download it as well.
 
user2260218
I see.
 
@sehe pretty much only Gentoo.
 
@Anthony I use mintty with cygwin
 
@Anthony You obviously have a misunderstanding of what the terminal is, and of what SSH is.
 
Slackware maybe still somewhat
 
user2260218
6:47 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think I probably do.
 
Gentoo is cool until I updated to osx maveric and it broke my partitions
 
It just happens that most Linux distros ship the ssh packages by default.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit At least they are conceptually related :)
 
@sehe To a degree
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that doesn't make much sense. That doesn't seem related to gentoo. At all.
All distros use Grub (99%) these days
 
Ell
6:48 PM
balls balls balls
 
haskell haskell haskell
 
@sehe no it isn't, I boot without Grub using EFI and OSX messed the partitions and it can't find the partition it used to boot
 
Ell
the oven turned itself off with the bourgingon inside :(
 
syslinux is also used, I don't remember last time I've seen LILO in the wild
 
6:49 PM
Yeah I boot linux without bootloader
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Well, in that case it's still not related to Gentoo :)
@Ell Sounds like a boeuf burgeoning
 
@sehe I have to recompile my kernel to affect the new partition , to recompile my kernel I have to boot it
 
@CatPlusPlus my first mandrake had it
wow that was years ago
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix "affect the new partition". Arhem.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Or a live CD. /sbin/chroot FTW
 
Why do you need to recompile the kernel
 
6:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus Probably was using OSX filesystems?
 
Did you hardcode partitions in hardcoded kernel command-line or what
 
@CatPlusPlus Or that
 
thats the only way to do that
 
6:51 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Well. That's not the smartest way. Anyways, I have not experience with OSX so you might be right. But that surely has nothing to do with Gentoo
 
that's the small price you have to pay to not use grub
 
Aahhaha
 
Any other distro would have had the same (alleged...) limitations
 
6:52 PM
Why didn't you hardcode invariant partition names?
 
"I can't boot my system because the partition table changed slightly, but hey, at least I didn't use software that can discover partitions!"
 
user2260218
How would you go about writing an SSH client? What's the general premise for it?
 
Of course, the elephant in the room paints "OSX is the limitation" with it's trunk.
Playfully
 
@Anthony courage
 
@Anthony It's software. It interacts with a terminal IO device. You can spawn child processes and hook them up to the same terminal.
 
user2260218
6:53 PM
Also, the terminal is like the most basic thing in Windows right? I always get a little confused because I assume everything at it's core some how needs to make use of the terminal.
 
Ah, and there's well defined TLS encryption. Implement handshake, key negotiation, stream cyphers and regular key exchange.
 
When you start seeing invisible pink elephants it's a cue to stop drinking (for a while)
 
@Anthony Er, no.
 
user2260218
Yea.... So then what is the point of the terminal?
 
@Anthony Nope. You may be confusing stdin/stdout with terminal
 
6:54 PM
@Anthony start programs?
 
in Windows?
 
@Anthony It's a convenient model for non-stream-oriented text mode IO (think control commands)
 
there's not a huge amount of point in the terminal.
 
Terminal is just one of the shells to interact with shit
 
What's the point of using windows and mouse?
 
6:55 PM
Steam
 
@CatPlusPlus mmm. That's confusing. You're almost equating shell==terminal again. I know you don't mean to
 
user2260218
It's what I know how to use.
 
user2260218
Kind of.
 
@CatPlusPlus Partitions have invariant names, so even that should never be a problem.
 
When it's too hot, you can open them.
When it's not, you can look outside without getting cold
 
6:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you know OSX didn't regenerate GUIDs :v
 
The only thing that would be a problem would be if the existing partition was removed and created again.
 
Oh broken grammar whatevr
 
user2260218
I don't understand what non-stream-oriented text mode IO means...
 
If that was it OMG I never thought OSX was that broken.
 
hmmmm
 
6:57 PM
Write Hangman as a console app. You'll understand.
(Or: Snake)
 
user2260218
I don't know what that meannnns I have learned very little programming.
 
I assume that an asteroid field should have a substantial quantity of ores and stuff?
 
@CatPlusPlus hehe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty sure guids changed
 
42 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
If that was it OMG I never thought OSX was that broken.
 
6:57 PM
Haha
I'm on a roll
I love how I can diagnose this shit just by assuming the worst
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Not of your linux paritions?! That would be exceptionally broken. And reeks of "on purpose"
 
How can it be that crappy.
Not broken anymore. It's bordering on malicious.
 
> Construct mutex elapsed: 10ns each
Construct unique_lock elapsed: 5ns each
Acquire unique_lock elapsed: 51ns each
Release unique_lock elapsed: 14ns each
Size: 40
(On my Ubuntu VM)
 
How Measured.
Much dubiousness.
Wow
 
Well Apple uses hybrid GPT partition table with mbr to boot windows and it break things
 
6:58 PM
@sehe Follow the links?
 
It doesn't make lots of sense.
 
"OSX installer has detected unholy presence on your computer. It shall be purged"
5
 
By default you can't boot windows on a mac if you add more than one partition to your drive
 
Apple is not very good at computers
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Ahahaha how the fuck does that make any sense
 
6:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus I don't have any idea, this thing is unstable
 

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