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6:00 PM
anyone saw this movie : imdb.com/title/tt0443453/ ?
 
Anvil of Stars (1992) is a book by Greg Bear and a sequel to The Forge of God. In the novel, volunteers from among the children saved from the recently destroyed Earth are sent on a quest by a galactic faction called "The Benefactors" to find and destroy "The Killers", the civilisation who sent the killer probes in the first place. The Law that the Benefactors subscribe to requires the "Destruction of all intelligences responsible for or associated with the manufacture of self-replicating and destructive devices." The book is written entirely from the point of view of a central charact...
@x4d33746153706c306974 i just read about it
 
> The book is notable for how well it conveys the alienness and colossal scale of the alien home system (...)
Sounds good!
It's really hard to find non-humanised aliens these days.
 
i think Greg Bear does that very convincingly. and it's utterly strange. like in "blood music", where he let a scientist infect himself with rabidly evolving gene-mod cells
Blood Music is a science fiction novel by Greg Bear (ISBN 0-7434-4496-5). It was originally published as a short story in 1983 in the American science fiction magazine Astounding Science Fiction, winning the 1983 Nebula Award for best novelette and the 1984 Hugo Award in the same category. Greg Bear published an expanded version in novel form in 1985. The completed novel was nominated for the Nebula Award in 1985 and for the Hugo, Campbell, and British Science Fiction Awards in 1986. Blood Music deals with themes including biotechnology, nanotechnology (including the grey goo hypothesis)...
 
Thanks. Definitely adding Greg Bear to my to-read list.
> (...) If you represent ducks and frogs as void pointers, you might accidentally get a frog to quack, which would tear apart the fabric of the universe. – Marcelo Cantos yesterday.
 
hai all
 
6:30 PM
hi
 
@JerryCoffin : you there?
 
@x4d33746153706c306974 Don't think Jerry is gone because you annoyed him. I'm sure he was just joking around. He usually spends a lot of time not here (even if he's avatar is here).
 
huh , i was so sad about my behavior (to jerry) that i mailed SO to delete my account
and edited my profile to "delete me"
 
That's a bit... drastic.
Too drastic.
 
anyways i don't think i fit here
many people here stiff too much about their reputation
 
6:42 PM
Who does?
It's just imaginary points.
 
you remember mahesh
 
Als
hmm @RMartinhoFernandes: Yet another @tina?
 
not sure but it seems from their replies
 
1 hour ago, by Mahesh
Sometimes it really amazes me the kind you talk with the reputation you have.
You're talking about this?
I have no idea who this was directed to.
 
6:44 PM
yes
 
But I think it was directed to @Als (or me).
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: huh me?
why me?
 
And besides, @Mahesh is hardly "many people".
 
no it was me
not Als
 
Als
@x4d33746153706c306974: huh? You? Why you?
 
6:45 PM
look at my reputation
 
And?
I had 600 rep too.
 
Als
Okay here it is, It was for @JohannesSchaublitb, Since the time that comment came, litb was trolling about what prostitutes can do
 
hm
no i did not...
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: Lulz
You did not troll?
or you did not say about oral pleasures :P
 
@Als Oh that's likely.
 
6:47 PM
*oral services
 
Als
anyway the statement of @Mahesh, doesn't matter anyhow
@x4d33746153706c306974: You are taking it too seriously, If you have left @JerryCoffin, an apology message here I am sure he would understand and let it pass.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb you was talking about me?
 
NOOO!!
He was making a joke!
 
i'm sorry. I didn't know you are one :(
 
Als
@x4d33746153706c306974: I am sorry about this, but please try to not take it too personally
 
6:49 PM
As he is now.
 
Als
@x4d33746153706c306974: Why will everyone talk about you?
 
oh hi
 
Als
we don;t even know you
 
Als
@DeadMG: Puppy crisis situation
 
6:49 PM
nom nom! i chew u slippers!
 
@x4d33746153706c306974 so can you tell us what you do?
 
I am 3D graphics artist
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: the guy is upset
 
using 3dsmax and maya
 
Als
6:50 PM
@x4d33746153706c306974: Dont take things too personally in here. Don't abuse and don't take abuse. Period.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb : you stiff to much about your c++ rep i think
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: Didn't i tell you, yet another Tina?
grr
 
and you have delusion that you made c++
 
@x4d33746153706c306974 wtf ?
 
How much do you know @Johannes?
 
Als
6:52 PM
@x4d33746153706c306974: No he is not. He is usually tolling around and he is pretty much an okay okay guy
 
lol
i feel like i shall whip you now
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: True that eh
;)
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: Darn why you want to whip me?
lol
 
i wanna whip @x4d33746153706c306974
 
Als
6:53 PM
cool it guys, I think there is a misunderstanding here.
 
or at least, take the flaming somewhere else
 
i like the heat
lol
 
I summon @Tony, he's a nice guy, by mentioning sex
 
Als
@x4d33746153706c306974: Stop accusing people around
@DeadMG: See didn't i tell you before if we dont talk of sex then we fight
we are better of talking sex
 
@Als i think he's just a teenager that's in the rebellion phase
 
6:54 PM
no, you said we stopped fighting to talk about sex
the two are not the same
 
Als
@DeadMG: darn the puppy chooses to be pedantic now
 
lol
 
Als
I cant stop laughing my ass off on this one.
57 secs ago, by x4d33746153706c306974
i can see heat in your ass
How can one see heat in ass
 
@Als i am ready leaving the community , so i don't want to keep all this in my head before going
 
Als
6:56 PM
@x4d33746153706c306974: You need to cool down and stop abusing people. no one is abusing you or calling you names, you are just assuming people are talking about you, when they are not.
 
Rep isn't synonymous to once behavior. But it was just strange at least for me.
 
@x4d33746153706c306974 i think yours is a real life example of an xvalue
ready to be moved
lol
 
@JohannesSchaublitb i know you speak to others in real life like that
 
Als
@Mahesh: In what way? You mean if a person has zillion rep here, s/he is a true genius in all fields of morality, science, and technology?
 
@Als I was gone. I'm back for the moment (but probably can't stay long). I don't believe there's any reason for an apology at all. I thought it was funny.
 
6:58 PM
xvalue , father i need rvalue
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: Please tell @x4d33746153706c306974, that the guy thinks you took offence.
and rest is history you can read in transcript
ahem
anyway i think that sorts out everything
 
@Als - I didn't mean that.
 
Als
now you kids @JohannesSchaublitb, @x4d33746153706c306974, quit fighting
 
i'm not fighting haha
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: hmm...trolling as always
:D
 
7:02 PM
Remember that you can always ignore annoying people on this chat.
 
@x4d33746153706c306974 took offence and I'm just watching him dancing around
 
isn't if speled "offense"?
 
lol @AlfPSteinbach
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: Language Nazi
 
7:04 PM
i guess this was a fence error
 
Als
I think it has been thoroughly proved over time that we can only talk about sex without fighting or arguing in this room.
 
sexual healing
 
or something like that...
 
Als
summon the @TonyTheTiger
okay a question
How far does The Josutils book on templates hold good as with the C++11 standard?
hmm silence
 
7:19 PM
@Nawaz Hi
 
@als: i guess you can ask daveed, or josuttis
@als: if you post it in [comp.lang.c++.moderated] then i think very good chance daveed will read it (it is after all his group, in a sense).
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: I am not on there at comp.lang.c++.moderated actually :(
 
u don't need to be "on"
as opposed to SO there is no log-in, no account; it's pretty free
 
Als
No need to subscribe to the group?
 
no
it's a usenet group
 
7:23 PM
I am going to Six Flags now. Heyyyy
 
but you would need to skim it a few times a week to see answers to your q
there is no notification scheme
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: Ah that sucks
 
doesn't it?
having to actually read the answers?
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: naah, no notifications on updates
 
that's what you get from a distributed system
it's free
but there is no central authority to do things like notifications
if you want it you can implement it
 
Als
7:27 PM
I am gonna make that post.
okay done
that should be out later after moderator review
 
leave u all for today. bye
 
Evening @JerryCoffin @DeadMG
 
hi
 
what are you up to?
 
I am watching Doctor Who
 
7:46 PM
@MrAnubis: Hi...
 
hy, i have 1 question
Is it better to write whole main function in try-catch block in situation like this, for example:

int main() {
try {
int n(5), m(10);
double **p(TryToAlocate(n, m);
...
}
catch(...) {
...
}
return 0;
}

or to write only function in try block
anything which is in some connection with function from try block, aslo to put in try block ??( like here n and m are in relationship whit TryToAlocate function)
 
if n and m don't serve any other purpose, then put them in the try
if you need them later, put them outside
 
8:13 PM
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Q: Is there a downside to using -Bsymbolic-functions?

Johannes Schaub - litbI recently discovered the linker option "-Bsymbolic-functions" in GNU ld: -Bsymbolic When creating a shared library, bind references to global symbols to the definition within the shared library, if any. Normally, it is possible for a program linked against a shared library to override t...

lol
 
@DeadMG thank you
 
If someone had told me Duke Nukem Forever would be released before the C++ spec was finished, I wouldn't have believed them.
 
let's hope that the C++ spec doesn't suck as hard
 
The future has arrived in some ways, this morning they delivered my new disk drive: eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEQMHM5S20TB
Tiny, two redundant 1TB disks inside, powered by the firewire bus
I'm rather impressed with it
Nice to have a transparent RAID instead of having to set it up in software somehow. Now, what filesystem to use... sigh
 
NTFS
 
8:43 PM
You guys ever coded in Ada?
 
here I am, I see I was summoned at least twice, how can I help?
> Answering my own question because I just earned a Tumbleweed badge for it... and I found out subsequently
I think someone is badgewhoring...
 
NoT Fail Safe!
 
how is that?
 
9:04 PM
I'm baaack.
Also, where's my badge, I've exhausted votes for today.
 
Old Way



File file = new File("hello.txt");
 System.out.println("File exists() == " + file.exists());



New Way



Path path = FileSystems.getDefault().getPath("hello.txt");
 System.out.println("Path exists() == " + Files.exists(path));
The 'new way' sure looks OO to me.
 
Function > Object
 
What if function is an object?
 
And it only took 7 iterations of the language to get here.
 
@CatPlusPlus First class function > Function
 
9:19 PM
"With these impressive Top Java 7 Features the language rushes full force into the mid nineties."
3
 
Mid nineties remind me of Visual Basic 5.0.
And QBasic
I had my first computer when I was 19 years old in 1999. So I was kind of late to the party.
 
@TonyTheTiger Only Johannes Schaub - litb's answer are good enough for Johannes Schaub - litb questions.
 
@LucDanton ...well late '80s anyway.
OTOH, it's still hasn't quite made the leap all the way from imitating Smalltalk 76 to imitating Smalltalk 80...
 
sbi
9:41 PM
What does it mean that the new C++ standard's status is "Withdrawn" here?
 
It's the name of step 95.99 in the Standardization process.
 
sbi
Ah, it's the old standard, never mind!
 
It's their lingo for 'obsoleted' I guess.
 
user457812
It's been withdrawn and replaced with the new standard, I'd guess
 
anyone else have a thunderstorm at this moment?
 
9:51 PM
Yes :)
 
been quite something here, woah
but it's calming down now
 
I live on the the 14th floor. Winds can get pretty strong here. :D
 
oh damn I can imagine
does it not scare you?
 
Lol no
 
lol
sometimes I'm a bit of a scardy cat
lol
 
9:57 PM
I'm scared of heights. So I don't like to be near the railing on my balcony.
 
sbi
Did I mention we had a most wonderful day? It's been like 26°C, with 29 forecasted for tomorrow. I threw a small barbecue party in the garden. It will likely have been the last of this season.
 
't was a nice day here as well
October can be summery with some luck. ..Ok, lots of luck.
 
yeah, been nice here as well
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked It might be sunny here, too (it's called a "golden autumn" then), but not as warm.
 
18 - 20 degrees celcius in October would make me very happy :)
 
10:13 PM
oh man, it's like 27 degrees in here, too hot for me
@sbi Sounds like fun :)
@jalf Did you do some coding today?
 
@TonyTheTiger not much. Managed to plan out how to tackle the next feature I want to add to my lib, but didn't get much further. Went to a concert instead, and then to a restaurant with my dad
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger It was all good in the shade of my apple tree. What was bad, though, were the apples that hit our table once in a while. When it was evening (and thus cooler), and after one wine glass got smashed by an apple, and a guest of mine got hit on her thigh, we therefore moved the table from under the tree.
 
@jalf Concert sounds like fun. May I be so curious as to ask what band or bands?
 
Some Danish ones. Tina Dickow and D-A-D
 
@sbi oh, well, so much for the shade from an apple tree. :P
@jalf oh ok.
 
sbi
10:18 PM
@TonyTheTiger Yeah, after she was hit, we waited for her to invent some great theory (akin to the theory of gravity), but she utterly failed at that. :) (She does have other strengths, though, so that was fine with us.)
 
@sbi sounds entertaining to me
 
@sbi hehe :P
 
@TonyTheTiger In the old part of the Carlsberg brewery. It's their 200 year anniversary, apparently
 
okay gonna watch another video with STL on Channel 9. It's an older one, but I haven't seen it yet.
@jalf hehe, kewl :)
 
Have fun. I'm watching Monty Python on youtube
 
10:20 PM
@jalf Carlsberg is one of the finer beers imo.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Well, when that one apple came down smashing my glass, spraying us with red wine, all of us almost had a heart attack. In hindsight it's funny, but I was there when it happened, and it really didn't seem that much fun then. :-x
 
If if wouldn't have happened, then you would have one funny memory less. :)
 
@sbi The majority of funny things are only funny in retrospect, not while they're happening.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I have learned that much already.
 
^ Java attempt at RAII
 
sbi
10:29 PM
@StackedCrooked Actually, this is copied from C++, too.
 
Does C++ support this syntax?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Not exactly that, no.
(I though you were referring to try/catch.)
 
This is a new Java 7 feature. It automatically closes the resource (defined after the try keyword) when the try block goes out of scope.
 
@sbi I don't know, to me it's more evocative of using blocks and the like.
 
Why the hell did they reuse try for this.
 
10:32 PM
"We're totally not C#"?
 
with or using are far more sensible.
 
@CatPlusPlus agreed
There is also the execute-around idiom. This works well in Lisp. But in Java it's very verbose (esp compared to C++ RAII).
 
oh hi
 
I'm drinking black tea again. So I probably won't be sleeping soon.
 
so I might have asked this before, but I'm going to ask again, why is it that move semantics wasn't possible before we had Rvalue refs? I mean swapping pointers has always been possible no?
@StackedCrooked I'm not drinking anything, and I'm not gonna be sleeping soon, I just fail to be tired... meh
 
sbi
10:42 PM
@TonyTheTiger Move semantics were possible, it was just hard to find out automatically when to apply them. Rvalue semantics fix that.
 
@TonyTheTiger Because you could never actually know when you had an rvalue
 
is it always good practice to initialize all variables, for example
int a(0);
cin >> a;
or only write int a; cin >> a;
 
@TonyTheTiger it was possible to emulate move semantics. std::auto_ptr did just that. (And std::auto_ptr didn't swap any pointers, it just set the obsolete pointer to 0)
 
There's is noting to 'swap with' when e.g. inserting a value into a container.
 
sbi
ISTR there being a famous article by Alexandrescu where he made us all aware of move semantics in the first place, implementing it in C++98.
 
10:43 PM
@DeadMG but wasn't there a definition of rvalue that made sense where you could know? I guess perhaps not at runtime
 
@TonyTheTiger You couldn't know at all.
 
@LucDanton oh... but it was known what an rvalue was, so... meh I'm confused
 
@StackedCrooked If only they had lambdas.
 
sbi
@Srle It's always a good practice to defer variable definition at least until the moment you have something to initialize a variable with. In case of two-step initialization (int i; std::cout >> i) there's no need to pre-initialize the variable if you check for the input operation to have succeeded.
 
@CatPlusPlus Indeed.
 
10:45 PM
@TonyTheTiger Yes, rvalues were already a concept. But nothing the type system so far allowed you to detect them in a program.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Of course it was known when you looked at the code, but you didn't have a syntactical crutch to tell in code. Like: call this version with an rvalue and that one with an lvalue.
 
For emulating move semantics see Boost.Move.
 
I think I'm having a dense moment...
lemme get some beer
 
That will surely help.
 
sbi
If all else fails, drink beer.
 
10:47 PM
lol
 
Or go to sleep.
 
Is boost::scoped_ptr adopted in C++11? Is does unique_ptr cover it?
 
std::unique_ptr is a superior alternative. Including uses of const std::unique_ptr.
 
We should have std awareness day.
3
 
Factory method can't return a boost::scoped_ptr. This is a nice example IMO for the need of move semantics.
@CatPlusPlus Eeuw
Spare me the vaginal yeast infections.
 
10:51 PM
lulz, ok got the beer,
 
Not that std, silly.
The namespace!
 
so if you have an rvalue reference, and you assign it something which can't be moved from, is that invalid?
 
boost awareness day is also welcome. It was only recently adopted in my workplace.
 
oh wow
 
10:53 PM
@TonyTheTiger Do you mean initialization or assignment there?
 
something like this int a = 10; int&& r = a
obviously a is an lvalue
 
That's initialization and that's invalid.
 
oh ok
 
But that's a nice riddle: is it possible to initialize an rvalue reference from a non movable type?
I really have no idea.
 
shall I ask that on SO
 
10:55 PM
Does it make sense to have rvalue references in other places than move constructors?
 
@LucDanton so what if you have a function f(int&& a) and you pass it an lvalue, will a then just be treated as a normal ref or what will happen?
 
It makes sense but it's like int const&: int would do the job just as well.
@TonyTheTiger Doesn't compile. passing parameters is like using the T t = ...; form of initialization by the way.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked You have a vagina? (And did you note how @Tony arrived immediately after that message?)
 
@StackedCrooked they're used in perfect forwarding
 
@sbi Not when I last checked.
 
10:57 PM
@sbi why did you have to notice THAT? and then even mention it...
 
of course it is
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked And why were you afraid of vaginal infections?
 
an rvalue reference is still a reference, it doesn't actually move anything in as of itself
 
I wasn't interested in the fact he mentioned the vagine, I was thinking about rvalue refs
 
sbi
@DeadMG Are you talking to yourself or is this referring to something one of us said?
 
10:58 PM
@sbi I was wondering that too
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger With you one can't help but notice.
 
well, I am the best conversation in the room
@LucDanton specifically, however
 
@DeadMG I think you have ego an problem :P
 
sbi
@DeadMG So what do you need us for? Why don't go talking to yourself in your own room instead?
 
ok so once again I"m confused
 
10:59 PM
even I can't talk to myself forever
 
if itsn't sex, it seems to confuse me, but even sex confuses me
 
plus, I can talk to myself out loud and you in here
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Still confused, but on a higher level.
 
@sbi they can be transmitted and become penile yeast infections. I don't want them :)
 
Metaconfused.
 

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