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11:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus yea basically, I'm confused about being confused and that isn't resolving my first and primary confusion of being confused :P
I blame rvalue references :P
 
is that NSFW?
 
sbi
Maybe that is only funny if you know the original song.
@TonyTheTiger Are you in Israel?
 
@sbi why?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger It is Saturday night/Sunday morning in most of the world, and most of the world (at least in those parts, where they have access to the Interweb) those are days off. So nothing to worry about NSW today.
 
11:02 PM
@TonyTheTiger Are you working?
 
I think I might need to have another read on rvalue refs and move semantics, cause everytime I look at the damn things, they confuse me, just like the input and output iterators the other day
 
Well, it's Saturday afternoon in USA.
I know because I have FoxClocks.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm trying to think, and seeing as that is an unusual activity for me, I don't want to see anything NSFW
lol
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus It should be 7pm on the East Coast. Not exactly afternoon, huh?
 
@CatPlusPlus I know that because I just know that, I don't need any FoxClocks to tell me that
 
11:04 PM
@DeadMG That's not the point. Copy initialization used to require an accessible copy constructor; although I'm not sure that's relevant to reference binding.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Well, I can honestly say that the video was made with the intention to make you think. Does that help? (I just didn't say what it is supposed to make you think about.)
 
@sbi on the west coast it's about 3pm. so I guess for that part of the US it could be true. lol
 
@LucDanton It is not at all relevant. Binding a reference does not involve a move or copy, and therefore does not require movability or copyability
 
@sbi oh ok
 
US Pacific 4pm, US Central 6pm. Fine, it's Saturday evening on the East Coast.
 
11:05 PM
lol
 
@TonyTheTiger I can't wrap my head around timezones.
 
@CatPlusPlus yea I know, they're kinda strange
 
I can only tell GMT and CET/CEST.
Everything further is The Land Beyond Known Timezones.
 
did my head in when I went to LA, and I left here at 11 am and arrived there local time 1pm and flew 10 and a half hours to get there
 
@DeadMG What is it you don't understand with 'copy initialization used to require an accessible copy constructor'?
 
11:06 PM
weird, really messes up once clock
 
I don't even know what copy initialization is, but it really doesn't matter
and it especially doesn't matter what it used to require
binding a reference does not involve a move or copy- and that's the end of it
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus The company I work for has an office in Berlin, on in London, and one in San Francisco. Makes you getting used to this.
 
@sbi I kinda got thinking with it a bit now, but I still find it strange...
 
The company I work for has office in room 7 and room 20.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Once clock, twice clock?
 
11:08 PM
@sbi oh shit, typo
 
Type what?
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus You beat me to it!
 
lulz, typo, that i have now fixed
 
@DeadMG It's syntax. T t = expression; or T t = { initializers }; are forms of copy initialization whereas T t(expression); or T t { initializers }; is direct initialization.
 
I always win.
Don't listen to that evil robot.
 
11:09 PM
oh that
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger You could have fixed the other one, too, you know.
 
that's not relevant to reference binding at all
 
sbi
Aug 9 at 19:32, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Blame @Fred.
 
@sbi too lazy to move my mouse that far up the screen :P
 
How is T const& t = expression; not a form of copy initialization?
 
sbi
11:10 PM
@TonyTheTiger You might want to read the newbie hints. Among other interesting things, they tell you how to do that without needing the mouse.
 
because it involves the construction of a temporary- if expression results in a temporary
 
sbi
@LucDanton Nothing gets copied (unless within expression, that is).
 
if you have T t; const T& tt = t; there is no copy initialization at all
only reference binding
 
What is it you don't understand about syntax?
 
11:11 PM
I don't give two craps about syntax
the question isn't about syntax
 
T t = t; as a syntactical construct is called copy initialization whether any kind of copying is involved or not.
 
the question is about lvalue and rvalue and reference binding semantics
anything else = not relevant whatsoever
 
@sbi yea I did have a look, and yes you're right
 
If you don't want to use the Standard terms to talk seriously about C++ then keep to yourself. Use the language of everyone else to communicate with them.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger No need to tell me I'm right. Ii already know that.
 
11:12 PM
@LucDanton I don't know the Standard terms, and I still manage to talk here
 
oh, sorry, I guess I should brush up on my syntax terminology to discuss semantics
 
sbi
@LucDanton never mind him, he's just talking to himself anyway.
 
@sbi oh damn :(
 
sbi
@DeadMG Once you're at it, you might also want to brush up on your English. :)
 
@sbi I'm quite clearly talking to @LucDanton.
 
11:13 PM
did I cause this?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger @Dead pretenting to talk to @LucDanton?
 
I was merely asking some clarification on rvalue references and how they make you able to detect in code that something is an rvalue?
@sbi no, the argument
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger What question is that?
@TonyTheTiger If you weren't even involved in the discussion, how could you have caused it?
 
@sbi a question, whether it really makes sense or not, I don't know, but I wrote it as I thought it
@sbi yea, but it started by @Luc trying to explain something to me and then @Dead came into the conversation...
@sbi my mere presence is enough to cause most things. LOL
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Again I fail to see how you could have caused this then.
 
11:16 PM
@sbi oh, well maybe I've gone delusional... but whatever
 
sbi
See, if I talk to you (as I'm doing now), and then, while I grab a beer (I wish, I got none home, though), someone starts to talk to you over the same subject, and they start to haggle - how could that be my fault?
 
@sbi well... you've got me speechless, I don't know
damn you
stop it
 
sbi
Really, if I could cause distress in this chat room simply by going to grab a beer, this would be a much worse place than it is. :)
 
@sbi haha
so you don't have beer in your house? woah, that would never happen where I live, there is always beer in this house
but then again, we're Belgians, we're kings when it comes to beer :)
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I bought beer today, when I was shopping on my way to the garden, but I forgot to bring it home with me. :(
I have red wine, white wine, federweisser, and could make a Caipirinha. But beer is missing, so of course I have to thirst for beer.
 
11:22 PM
isn't that so typical, when you don't have something in the house, that's the one thing you want
I have that a lot, I'll crave chocolate or something, but always something that we don't have in the house
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Scratch "in the house".
 
@sbi true, it applies to other things too
like this job interview of mine
the one job I really want, is taking ages to get back to me
and the one I'm not that eager for has already said I could start working for them
:(
only thing is, they require me to be able to walk around and stand up for like a whole day at times, and I can't actually do that
 
sbi
Actually that's more a case of that Murphy guy making sure getting the ones you really want is hard, while getting the less appealing once is easier.
@TonyTheTiger Oh, yeah, I guess this wouldn't work. Who is requiring that now? The ones who offered you the job? Haven't you told them you can't do that?
> Some days feel like Murphy was appointed my guardian angel.
 
@sbi yes the ones who offered me the job, I did say in my enthousiasm that I'd prob manage with my crutches, but thinking about it, I won't.
@sbi dammit, he's the one guy I don't want my guardian angel
if angels even exist, but that's another discussion entirely :P
 
sbi
11:38 PM
I've discovered the secret of life............ Breathing.
 
I could hold my breath for 2 minutes under water. Not sure if I can still do it.
 
Today's a bad day for rep... anyone fancy upvoting my ASCII art of a printf-parameter stack? :-)
@StackedCrooked Guybrush Threepwood can hold his breath for 10 minutes!
 
10 minutes?
 
@StackedCrooked Yep. You can kill him at some point if you wait for longer than that while under water.
 
World record is 20+ minutes. But the participants are allowed to inhale pure oxygen minutes before starting.
 
11:50 PM
Static apnea
Karen from "Corner Gas" does that.
 

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