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9:00 AM
catch(failure) throw{run_away();}
 
@ScarletAmaranth You mean a photo?
 
morning guise
 
How's Robot?
 
some questions today are really pissing me off.
 
9:11 AM
@GamesBrainiac lol
 
@TonyTheLion Excited. My screens have arrived.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ohhh Kewl! How many you got?
 
It's a screen-s.
 
@GamesBrainiac Don't answer questions on SO if you don't want to be depressed, pissed off, enraged, kill someone, feel like the world is a terrible place, experience cynicism, etc...
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hahaha
 
9:13 AM
@TonyTheLion Half a dozen.
 
The order receipt quantity field is "bunch"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ohhh nice :)
 
@StackedCrooked It is actually 1, because it's a set.
 
@TonyTheLion i dunno, I mean I like helping people out, its just that some people just get on my nerves.
 
What kind of screens are they?
 
9:13 AM
@GamesBrainiac hehe
 
Special equipment for the job?
 
@TonyTheLion anyhoo, how ya been?
 
@GamesBrainiac I'm alright.
 
@StackedCrooked No, it's just for rampant luxurious experience at home.
I have two 27" at work.
 
@TonyTheLion Imma buy a new LED monitor :D
Probably 17"
 
9:15 AM
Nice
I'm not buying anything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thats way too big
@TonyTheLion not even for christmas ?
 
@GamesBrainiac What?
 
@GamesBrainiac Not really.
 
Are you telling me two 27" screens are way too big?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea, all you need is a 17" otherwise, it will take up too much deskspace
 
9:17 AM
lol
 
@GamesBrainiac My workplace disagrees.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you have like all your screens on a wall or something?
 
(What do you need all that deskspace for?)
Screen space > deskspace.
Oh gosh.
Thanks @Tony, this site is awesome.
 
Thank @Cat for that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Soon, we'll have iPaper and iPencils
 
9:19 AM
I didn't post it originally
 
@GamesBrainiac That's not the point.
@GamesBrainiac Anyway, if you think two 27" is too big, what is six 23"?
 
user1804599
Fucking Chrome.
 
user1804599
Why can’t I move tabs between two fullscreen windows. :|
 
@GamesBrainiac what, is this 1998 again?
@GamesBrainiac buy a bigger desk, duh
Hmm to fit a third one I would need to move my paper organizer
basically remove kebab and everything
or if I really bend them into a C shape...
I'd like a custom screen stand
@R.MartinhoFernandes I presume you got some good stand with those?
 
It comes with the set.
 
9:24 AM
is it desk-mounted, or wall mounted or just standing on the floor?
I think I'd prefer something like that
or something like jeff has
to completely clean the desk space
 
@BartekBanachewicz Standing.
 
cool
ueh those stands are pricey as fuck
 
Can you do this in C++: int x, y, z =0; and expect x and y to also be initialized to 0?
 
user1804599
No.
 
9:31 AM
I thought so
 
user1804599
x and y are still uninitialised.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Depends on where you have that :3
 
user1804599
int x, y, z; std::tie(x, y, z) = std::make_tuple(0, 0, 0); // :3
 
Xeo
Oh yeah, morning.
 
@Xeo In some code I'm looking at
 
Xeo
9:32 AM
@rightfold x = y = z = 0;, if you're going two-phase.
 
user1804599
Not confusing enough!
 
user1804599
In fact, there should be different expressions that all yield to zero in the arguments of std::make_tuple.
 
anyway this sucks
Point p;
there, x,y,z initialized to 0.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion what is the storage duration of the variables?
 
local function
 
user1804599
9:34 AM
Are there macros x and y?
 
however, the variables are declared as above, and then they are conditionally assigned, and used somewhere
which means, if the condition is never satisfied, there's UB potential
I suppose I should just init them all
 
user1804599
Always initialise such variables.
 
user1804599
Can’t do any harm.
 
@rightfold no macros
 
user1804599
Except perhaps when debugging why your variable is zero, given an implementation that is decent enough to terminate when reading an uninitialised variable in debug mode. :F
 
9:37 AM
@rightfold int x = &x - &x;
 
user1804599
TIL: you can subtract pointers.
 
@rightfold adding is subtracting too
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh wow, that site is great
 
@BartekBanachewicz You cannot add two pointers.
 
user1804599
9:39 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Pointer arithmetic isn’t arithmetic.
 
user1804599
It’s pointer arithmetic.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow what happens if you do int x, y; &x - &y;? UB? Can you subtract two pointers p and q iff p = q?
 
Xeo
nope
Wait, that question is weird
It's UB
They need to point into the same array
 
> The Romo “Robotic Pet” Robot is a $149 way to let your child learn how to pull your iPhone 5 out of its case, attach it to treads, and drive it down a flight of stairs.
 
user1804599
How about int xs[2]; (xs + 0) - (xs + 1);?
 
Xeo
9:42 AM
Sure, that works
 
user1804599
Would it yield 1 of type ptrdiff_t?
 
user1804599
Yielding a pointer wouldn’t make sense. :P
 
Xeo
-1
 
user1804599
Hmm, right.
 
> I look forward to a future where petty criminals steal my Cyber Monday deals out of the air with big nets.
 
user1804599
9:50 AM
I should make a program exhibit UB and then visit the doctor and tell him I’m suffering from nasal demons.
 
Xeo
in C#, 3 mins ago, by Somnath Kharat
register here and earn quickly no limits
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it in any way possible to call a local function in Lua from C++?
 
user1804599
Yay my first rep since ages.
 
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Q: What does C in C and C++ refer to?

JinoPlease let me know what this C in C programming and C++ programming is used for. I'm serious as this question was put in front of me in an interview.

What a stupid interview question :)
 
10:19 AM
@Xeo Ooops, what am I doing on page 23.
Back to work. Need to update boost to 1.55.
 
10:34 AM
@rightfold In D, int x; always initializes x to 0. If you don't want that, you have to write int x = void; :)
 
Gonna refactor all our boost.asio code to not-CPS.
 
Boost should use booststrap.sh for building instead of bootstrap
 
10:50 AM
@MohammadAliBaydoun the very point of local functions is that they exist only inside the enclosing scope. If you return it or set a reference to it in a global variable, you can use it
 
do you guys put your private data in classes on the top or bottom?
 
so I could get a 6-month used u2412m for 80% of the price
 
ThePhD puts it on the bottom but I've always put it on top :s
 
but that's still a lot of cash :/
@Rapptz I put in on top too
 
Xeo
whereever
I don't think I have any consistency in that regard.
 
10:52 AM
putting it on top saves me one LoC
:)
 
Xeo
not for me, since I don't have consistency wrt using struct and class either :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz how?
 
@Rapptz classes have default private scope, no?
 
Oh.
I always put private anyway.
 
also I've lost a kernel
 
10:56 AM
@BartekBanachewicz where did you see it last?
 
@jalf in one of the 15 folders in my kernel building machine
 
@Rapptz bottom
 
@Rapptz Bottom too.
 
JBL
Makes me think of this:
> I've lost a machine.. literally lost. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
 
Xeo
Wasn't that the router?
 
11:03 AM
:D
well I found the kernel
but I think I will need a new one for KitKat
also hell is that name stupid
 
yes
I feel sad for hating Christmas :(
3
 
I feel sad for hating you :)
 
don't ;)
 
Hm. VS2013 doesn't have expression SFINAE yet :/
 
@Rapptz OH NO
Guess you'll just have to write legible and self-documenting code
 
11:10 AM
Yeah yeah. Go back to hating C++11 or whatever.
 
?Never left it son
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how is expression SFINAE not that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No idea. Never seen it.
 
STL is 30 apparently. TIL.
 
I don't hate Christmas, but I don't like it that much either ... in fact I don't like any holidays much. I do love, however, overnight hiking trips.
 
11:18 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's basically saying "if that expression doesn't compile, neither should the thing marked"
 
14.8.2/8 is where expression SFINAE is in the standard (C++11).
 
IMHO fairly intuitive. More than typical template confusion.
 
I guess I'll work on operator[] later.
Sorta wish there wasn't a special function to separate setting functions and regular values
Would have made my life easier.
 
@Rapptz cool
 
Xeo
Someone in here just found my answer on expression SFINAE :>
 
11:27 AM
@Xeo you gonna lose a lot of rep when I finally escape this site
 
Xeo
nope
you voted too much, so no rep will be lost
 
hmm what's the threshold?
 
Xeo
No idea, but at 10k rep and 2k votes, I think you oughta be over that threshold
also, wow, you like downvoting stuff
 
not as much as Tomalak.
4,625 up and 5,011 down
 
Check Eric Lippert.
 
11:31 AM
lol
1 up 791 down
why wouldn't he upvote?
seems strange
 
I'm really curious which answer was worth of that lonely upvote.
 
maybe he did it for the badge
wait, do you get a badge for upvoting or is it only downvoting..
 
> Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
 
@Xeo Considering that really a lot of stuff on SO ends up below 0, I don't think my votes are out of proportion.
@R.MartinhoFernandes how to hide element in jQuery
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
11:36 AM
@Rapptz A friend of mine turned 29 last month and now won't stop mentioning how he'll become "old" soon (i.e. stop being in his twenties).
 
I stopped caring about my age when I hit 14. :>
 
I've just realized I have no questions on GD.SE
oh god and I've only just realized I've flagged an answer to close
which is not closevoting
 
Someone transferred 17.580,00 MZN to the guy with the same name as me that keeps giving out my e-mail by mistake.
 
user1804599
*sigh* … Postmodernism strikes again. http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages
 
user1804599
LMAO.
 
11:44 AM
> such that we can code using a feminist ideology.
I don't even.
@rightfold OMG the comments. People actually take this nonsense seriously.
Is this what people spend research grants on?
 
Oh god someone just posted an OpenGL q which looks a lot like a bug in Intel GPU ;_;
 
@rightfold :/
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think this is publicly funded so it's their money (i.e. idc)
 
"feminist" and "logic" don't usually mix well, w/o insulting reasonable people fighting for women rights.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes MZNwhat?
 
The metical (plural: meticais) is the currency of Mozambique, abbreviated with the symbol MZN or MTn. It is nominally divided into 100 centavos. History First metical (MZM) The metical (MZM) replaced the escudo at par on 16 June 1980. It was divided into 100 centavos. The metical underwent severe inflation. After the revaluation of the Romanian leu, the metical briefly became the least valued currency unit, at a value of about 24,500 meticais per USD, until the Zimbabwean dollar took the title in late August 2005. Second metical (MZN) On July 1, 2006, Mozambique redenominated the metic...
 
11:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's that
is 17,580 a lot? (gosh darn it use proper decimal symbols)
 
1 MZN ~= 0.02 EUR.
 
BTW
> There exist logics that handle contradiction as part of the system, namely paraconsistent logic. I think this type of logic represents the feminist idea that something can be and not be without being a contradiction, that is a system where the following statement is not explosive: (p && ¬p) == 1.
 
I already knew his bank (I get the damn newsletters with all the promotions and whatnot), but now I also know his account number.
 
I'd like her to write an if statement.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can give you my account number too...
 
If was evil enough to need a spare identity, I'd get one easily.
 
11:57 AM
it is supposed to be public.
 
user1804599
Is there an alternative to TeamViewer that doesn't suck donkey dick?
 
Xeo
@rightfold Another word to add to my buzzword bingo: "feminist"!
 
@rightfold what is wrong with teamviewer again? I found it rather nice to use
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz It's quite nice, except for that sometimes input randomly stops working and it keeps a window open that I cannot close without closing the session and it has annoying popups here and there.
 
cannot reproduce.
 
user1804599
12:00 PM
That doesn't make it suck less for me. vOv
 
Xeo
It's been a while since I last used TeamViewer, but I can't remember such problems
 
@BartekBanachewicz Point is that I'm getting to know way too much about this guy. I might finally reply and ask one of his students to find his real e-mail address so I can tell him to get his shit sorted out. I know where he works, what he works as, his bank, who he does business with, where and when he goes on vacation.
And other stuff that I probably forgot but my e-mail didn't.
 
user1804599
I love partial application.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This is why I don't make my email my name
 
user1804599
Lists of partially applied functions are useful.
 
12:02 PM
functools.partial is really awesome for that
 
I even know his religious affiliation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah well Randall got it right in the comic
@GamesBrainiac can't compete with currying by default :v
> A regular glazed donut has around 350 calories, which means Giant Donut has 8,750 calories. As you might imagine, one of the customer complaints is that the giant donut is not as big as the customer wanted it to be.
'MURICA!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And you're sure you didn't do it yourself when you were in the middle of an "episode"?
@BartekBanachewicz Catching up with the starboard? ;p
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have no connection to Mozambique whatsoever.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I still have like 90 pages or something
 
12:07 PM
I actually have a canned reply for his students, which are the only people involved in this that I reply to, because I feel bad about them sending their assignments to the bit bucket.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But your alter ago might...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Even if I had "episodes", I doubt my alter ego could travel fast enough (and cheap enough) to move back and forth between Portugal and Berlin in a few hours.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit anyway, This society is definitely functional and it makes a lot of sense, kids., sums it up perfectly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You base that on not being able to afford super-fast transit between the two places, but have you considered this may be only because your alter ego is spending all your money on such transit?
 
should I buy 3rd screen or not HALP
 
12:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No.
 
@BartekBanachewicz can you read a TypeScript question I answered and make sure I did not say anything really stupid?
@BartekBanachewicz yes, it really helps imo.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And then, um, doctoring your bank records
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A: RequireJS module declarations in TypeScript

Benjamin Gruenbaum Is this a limitation of the definition file or the TypeScript compiler? It's both. It's a "limitation" of the TypeScript compiler (limitation is quoted since it is enforcing a valid constraint here), and can be fixed from the definition file. It's actually a lot simpler to reproduce this ca...

 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I want it both for work and surround gaming
but cash :S
 
@BartekBanachewicz I find it useful for work, but it really depends on what you're doing and how big the code base is. For a big code base I find it really helpful to have 3, I even want 4 :S
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum well my projects at home aren't that big, I guess
 
12:11 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't one - box it here because it sounded rude to me :S When I come to a room, even if I've been there tens of times before and dump a onebox I feel like a spammer.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum looks correct. suckage generics.
 
@BartekBanachewicz YES!
My opinion is not suspect!
 
so I have one yes one no and one maybe
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks, suckage generics is what I thought. Wonder how it could be done better.
 
thanks u r helpful guize
 
Xeo
12:12 PM
Our pleasure.
 
@BartekBanachewicz do you use a tiling wm?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I count two yesses and one no.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum nope. But I use a tiled VM :D
also my folders have tiles inside
and my bathroom
lol I'm in a good mood today
 
@BartekBanachewicz get a third monitor - it'll make your life easier imo. If you ever have to use any shortcuts to bring something to front or change the size - it's a good sign you could use more screen space.
 
BTW I will get my RAM stick back like on monday prolly, because my roommate gave the wrong shipping address
 
12:13 PM
It's also nice to have a monitor playing some tv or youtube when you work on not as important stuff on two screens. Mainly it shines when you need a lot of relevant code in front of you at the same time
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum hurm, a HOF accepting a variadic fn over "any..." should accept a fn over (a,b). just like that.
anyway variadics are a sketchy topic.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think it should. You wouldn't expect that to work in any other language. It's not a function call - it's a function passed as a variadic. Your constraint here is that the function should deal with any number of parameters, a function dealing with two isn't that.
 
hm
well that's one way to look at it
 
What you'd really want to say though is that the first array passd needs to have the same length as the varargs the function gets with a constraint. That's the actual constraint here.
 
accepting that would be type erasure actually
 
12:18 PM
You have type erasure here anyway, to be fair what you really really want here is to use types with RequireJS and not module names or strings - you'd want to require the module by type. That'd be way more typescripty and generally better for testing and DI
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum eh if bought crappy screens I wouldn't have that much of a problem buying a third one now :/
 
This question is interesting:
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Q: gcc error when declaring reference to reference type

CallahanIn the OpenCV library there is a typedef const _InputArray& InputArray; In our code we have the following function definition: void wimshow(const String& winName, InputArray &img) { When compiling this the following error occurs: error: cannot declare reference to 'cv::InputArray {aka c...

 
@BenjaminGruenbaum BTW I was talking with some guy at my uni and it went to TS and he said something like "yes interfaces were the thing most missing in JS"
That kinda shows the failure here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I kind of agree with him :P
 
oh come on
 
12:22 PM
(Well, not the thing most missing - it's missing a bunch of other stuff too)
 
I don't get people that like interfaces
 
@rightfold Feminist programming language?? Does any part of that make sense?
 
user1804599
Of course not.
 
zch
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Was it the same before C++11?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I love interfaces - sorry. They're a clear separation of interest point and a clear documentation point. They let me explicitly say to other teams I work with - "Here, this is what you get to work with".
 
12:23 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum so are type classes, except they actually work well
 
@zch bah
they moved this stuff around
more work to do!
 
They're very useful from documentation and maintainability perspective, of course they don't actually enforce anything.
@BartekBanachewicz meh. That's not the same and you know it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum they kinda solve the same (or very similar) problem
 
I can't disagree with that.
 
And sans the actual arguments and stuff, I personally like "A is instance of class C, because it fullfils required C operations like so..." way more than "A implements C"
gah, now that I wrote it I see how similar that sounds :/
 
12:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It's not that at all. It's "We're giving you something that can C to work with, here is everything C does documented - deal with it. If you touch our As explicitly - that's your problem.
 
but the thing is, typeclass C has an a parameter, and interface does not.
 
You have these documentation points anyway - even in languages without interface you still have to document somewhere and you just document stuff you want people from the outside to use. Interfaces are just explicit about this.
 
they are, but I don't like the way they do it
 
qwr
hi people. Has anyone spotted such problem? On windows my program getting high cpu when I open process Explorer. That program behaving exactly the same in one of my user's pc without anything.program is written using winapi, gdiplus and UpdateLayeredWindow
 
12:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz To be ompletely fair I like type classes better.
 
orite :)
 
@rightfold Could easily make quite a few jokes about it.
 
@qwr yes, you don't sleep
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz type-classes are mainly for compile-time, while interfaces are runtime
 
zch
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's what I thought. I remember reading about reference collapsing rules in C++11.
 
12:29 PM
9
A: OpenGL GLUT window very slow, why?

Bartek BanachewiczSolution: It seems that the simple solution using Sleep(1) in the render function worked. You've also asked why - I'm not sure I will be able to solve this properly, but here's my best guess: Why does it even work? Your fellow students can have VSync turned on by default in their drivers. This...

@Xeo hmmm
 
Xeo
A type-class simply is a common interface.
 
qwr
@BartekBanachewicz it does only when process explorer opened.
 
@qwr wait what
brb
 
qwr
On windows my program getting high cpu when I open process Explorer. That program behaving exactly the same in one of my user's pc without anything.program is written using winapi, gdiplus and UpdateLayeredWindow
 
12:33 PM
@qwr you already said that.
Also, have you considered maybe debugging it?
If the process is using CPU, then it means it is executing code. If it is executing code, then you can simply attach a debugger to the process, and see what it is executing
 
qwr
profiled it. RtInitializeExceptionChain takes whole time
 
@qwr So that is why you asked a question which didn't even mention RtInitializeExceptionChain?
Well done
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Q: What does RtlInitializeExceptionChain do, and how can I reduce its execution overhead?

fyhuangI am trying to find bottlenecks in my program (currently in the "low-hanging fruit" stage), and using a profiler I get something like the following: The thing I see in this is that RtlInitializeExceptionChain takes up the far majority of the time, and functions from my actual program don't eve...

 
qwr
@jalf Ihave read it.I profile on 32bit with 32bit prog.
 
Good for you.
I like how you didn't tell us that either. Are you just trying to waste people's time?
No, don't answer that. Here's the important thing, though. I don't see how it is relevant to this chat room at all.
If you want help, then ask a question on SO. Or comment on one of the related questions which already exist
 
doesn't look like I'm going to reach 95k today. sigh.
 
12:39 PM
And consider maybe supplying all the information you have up front, rather than gradually, reluctantly, slipping out additional nuggets of information
 
qwr
@jalf I described situation and asked has anyone encountered such behaviour?
 
@qwr You did not
 
yes we totally use winapi all the time
 
You did not say "RtInitializeExceptionChain is taking up a lot of CPU time", and you did not say "I am using a 32-bit profiler and the process is 32 bit"
You said some generic fluff about winapi, and I had to drag the rest of the information out of you
And I don't even care about your problem
Now go away
 
qwr
@jalf I dont force my problem on anyone. Thats why I asked such way
 
12:41 PM
See also the and tags in the upper right of this page.
 
user1804599
Yay.
 
user1804599
Time to learn a new programming language: ZPL. :|
 
@jalf and the third one conveniently in between of them :3
 
compiling clang takes so long
lolz
 
I wonder why do they write C++ compilers in C++
is C++ so good for writing C++ compilers?
 
12:48 PM
cos it's the best language like - EVER.
 
@user1158692 I was serious actually.
 
I was serious in my sentiment - if not my mode of expression. I'm no way a compiler expert but I feel the presence of intermediate files, symbols, and such lend themselves to OO.
And writing one in a JIT language might be asking a lot of it, so that rules out C# and Java
 
@user1158692 what
why it might be asking a lot of it
 
in performance terms.
 
oh god.
sorry I assumed you know what you are talking about.
 
Xeo
12:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Compilers are mostly written in the language they're compiling
 
@Xeo Really? That's kind of intriguing.
(But not the FIRST one, I assume.)
 
@user1158692 first C compiler was in something resembling BCPL
 
so - almost! : )
 
Xeo
You need to bootstrap it in some way, but after that, you can use your own language to rewrite your compiler in.
 
@user1158692 anyway you might really stop saying those things about JIT compilation, because modern JIT compilers are really damn fast and it just looks bad when people bash their performance
 
12:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Hardly bashing.
I work in JIT languages full time now, and don't hate myself.
Well, not for that reason anyway.
 
and that's precisely why I asked about C++ compilers
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz doing it in C is insane and people don’t want to install a <insert whatever language here> compiler before they can compile programs that happen to be written in C++.
 
@rightfold come on who builds compilers from sources
you just get binaries and don't give a shit what produced them
 
user1804599
Any sane person.
 
I can bet you that over 95% of C++ programmers use prebuilt compilers
BTW when you compile your compiler from sources you need to have C++ compiler installed :)
 
12:59 PM
Still, it's interesting that compilers tend to be written in the language they compile.
Is there any obvious explanation that isn't a bit general?
 
Xeo
It gives you a real usecase and shows problems by directly using the language
 
@user1158692 people who work on compilers are usually experts on the language compiled, and thus they use it to build the programs
 

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