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16:00
The real killer feature in portage is that they finally figured out that packages should be masked and unmasked. There once was a time when you either had all of your programs unstable or old. Now you can do it on an individual level... 10 years back Gentoo systems would break every few months and emergeing world was the same as bricking your computer...
@Pawnguy7 Pedants. Ignore
And never, ever listen to what people on tumblr have to say on the subject
Isn't that an image sharing site?
It's full of idiots
Maybe not.
Singular they is fine
16:01
I have no idea what it is, apparently.
It's utbmlr
The less you know the better for your sanity
@Mikhail That's not a killer feature. Every other distro does that (well, except for Arch because they're idiots)
I am curious how we don't have a word for this.
any interesting discussions going down?
I guess "he" was for quite a while, so we only find this a problem now.
16:02
@Pawnguy7 We do. The correct word is "he". There are just a lot of people who are ignorant of that fact.
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I've seen all of "he", "she" and "they". Usually, the meaning is implied from context.
@Mikhail well, yes, sure, by all means compile your number crunching software to be fast. You don't need Gentoo for that. linuxDNA was pimarily focused on the kernel as far as I can see. I doubt you'll see any improvement there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes you sir, are forgetting the AUR.
@rubenvb But I need my terminal emulator compiled with AVX2!
I am still convinced the citation rules writers don't fully comprehend the internet.
And the unstable repos.
16:05
@rubenvb How the heck do those help?
er, make that testing
Hmm delicious lambdas.
I'm complaining that Arch updates break things all the time and you tell me that I'm forgetting the unstable repos?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I won't say you're wrong, but in the past 2 years, I haven't had anything break on me.
@rubenvb AUR is shit
16:07
I used Arch for several years, and about every six months either something broke or I avoided a break because I followed the mailing lists.
# pacman -Ssy is scary.
@Pawnguy7 s/fully/even begin to/
Apparently one can "hack Facebook" by doing things when somebody doesn't log out.
@R.MartinhoFernandes wtf? That updates the database and shows all packages?
@rubenvb There's been like 2 or 3 breaking updates that required manual intervention
@JerryCoffin Probably. I am still not sure what you do when you, say, find a book (available in paper form) but find it online. Do you cite it like the normal book?
16:09
@rubenvb Hmm, might have missed a u there.
I think efficiency is more important than robust.
Ahahah where's that from
@CatPlusPlus oh no, you needed to run two commands. Wow. The world has ended.
Anyways, I don't care discussing this.
If I need manual intervention to update my system, it sucks.
Things can suck without taking the Universe with them, FYI.
It's getting late, I'm getting cranky. You guys go update firefox and get back to me next week ;-)
Not the point
16:12
@Pawnguy7 Depends. For academic papers (where the point is primarily to make yourself seem more academic), you do your best to act like it's only available on dead trees. If, OTOH, the point of the paper is to provide real information to the reader, you obviously provide the best link you can to the source.
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7 hours ago, by Xeo
https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msg/std-proposals/KqTvu6MUMGk/sN5kGYrxe‌​_AJ
time to play chivalry
Also fuck systemd
@Xeo "If we don’t need efficiency, why we use a computer???????????" says it all
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hahahaha
16:14
What defines a soda, anyway?
@Pawnguy7 Uh, ingredients?
What defines a meatball
Just carbonated water in it somewhere?
Probably some kind of meat in a sphere-like form.
Ell
Ell
@CatPlusPlus if you don't know what a meatball is then this isn't such a stupid question
16:15
@CatPlusPlus Either you want efficiency or you want to be as slow as possible.
@Pawnguy7 A soda is some of kind of drink in a soda-like form :P
@CatPlusPlus lol, a slow decent :P
@CatPlusPlus There's a chance you could find out if it's cloudy.
fucking meatballs
it's been 9999999999 years since I had meatballs.
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I should get some today
@JerryCoffin Hopefully it's not a magnet link from TPB.
16:19
I have some in the freezer.
@MartinJames Bear?
@Pawnguy7 CO2 usually does it
We're having an argument about spaces after ifs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably horse:(
The bear balls were good, though.
user3010322
Hm.
16:21
That came out wrong.
user3010322
I'm doing something horrifically wrong.
You're writing C++
user3010322
Well, there's that, yes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Might not leave the best impression on the academics...
16:24
I'm not sure how to define 'efficiency' anyway. If I could get all my code to run 500% faster, my systems would work at exactly the same rate as far as the users are concerned. Maybe CPU use drop from 3% to 2%, (ie. I nobody cares).
I care!
I paid for those transistors, and I want the fuckers to work, not slack.
Opinions on asp.net? Any big downsides? I need to make a large web form to generate data, and it seems like the easiest choice with visual studio is available.
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Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Gives "master" and "slave" designation a whole new meaning
@TrevorHickey Maybe you want to ask in the C# room?
oops. I thought was in that room! ;)
16:26
No problem. At least you didn't insist that we must know an answer.
Does a title starting with "on" make sense? (e.g. "On the topic of x").
@Pawnguy7 Most of my blog posts start with "On the subject of"
You need "considered harmful" somewhere in there
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@EtiennedeMartel Gotta get dat money.
@Pawnguy7 maybe "In regard to"
16:27
I just put 'x'.
I mean, 'Abysmal performance of the England Cricket Team in Oz', followed by a load of PHP server script would be pretty odd, whether there was 'On the topic of' in front, or not.
My topic is on the phenomenon that is people "quitting" math education.
Those who say "Yet another day I didn't use algebra" and similar.
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Whoever specified in the C and C++ standard that I need a special flag to open a bunch of bytes on the disk as binary deserves to have hotsauce injected into their prostate. <_>
@Cat does the wiki have code markup?
'People quitting math education'
Unfortunately, maths is not considered cool. Being a 'celebrity' and eating cockroaches is cool, maths, and engineering, are not. I don't know why.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes
{{{}}}
16:33
Ah, found it.
@Pawnguy7 Many of my blog posts are like "On C++11's Totally Fucked-up New Features"
Everything's in help pages :v
@MartinJames That's changing a little now, as society comes to realise how shallow it is. Long road ahead, mind.
@CatPlusPlus People read those?
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Which features be fucked up, yo?
16:34
Perhaps "The nonfulfillment of numerical education"?
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I can think of a few, but I think of most of them as a vast, vast, vast improvement.
Not positive if I need a - there or not.
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Jesus christ, r-values and std::move, so needed. <3
@ThePhD Most of them, actually.
@ThePhD Doesn't make them any less fucked up.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I suspect largely PC-ness. We can have opposite opinions on some album, (and probably do have), but neither of us can be proved wrong.
16:35
@Pawnguy7 Perhaps "Innumeracy remuneration"?
@MartinJames If you don't like the music I like, you are wrong regardless of whether I can prove it or not.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, of course :)
@JerryCoffin Should I be reading this as "the cost of not learning math"?
@MartinJames Because people are dumb
@Pawnguy7 Could be either "cost" or "payoff". The ambiguity gets more people to read for clarification.
16:37
I wish I were dumber and ignoranter
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess so. :c
i find it so retarded that my phone vibrates when it reaches low battery
user3010322
My biggest gripe right now is variadics, and their inability to be properly expanded in any sensible fashion. <_>
I don't feel that.
@IgorR. Did you forget to include a relevant header? Sounds like a case of the standard comma operator behaviour (a.k.a. The coma operator) — sehe 1 min ago
16:39
@DavidKron It wants to bring the issue to attention, who cares if it's going to work 10 minutes shorter because of that
Hat tip to the robot
My gripe with variadics is that packs are not a thing.
@JerryCoffin It might. I admit, I did have to look both of those words up. Not sure if that is better (do people feel more inclined to read with unknown words?) or worse.
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes You've never had to do the whole swallow trick to expand a variadic for nested function calls in certain cases, but not in others?
@DavidKron Yeah - 'running out of energy.. I know - I'll turn on an electric motor'.
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16:39
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean, as a dedicated type?
@Pawnguy7 Oh lord -- don't tell me you were actually taking this seriously!
They're like virtual particles.
CAN LACK OF MATH EDUCATION LEAD TO SOCIETY COLLAPSE more on page 6
You use them to describe the interactions, but cannot really be observed.
@CatPlusPlus you're an ignorable ranter though
16:40
I'm not good at headlines
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh. Variadic Exclusion Principle.
@CatPlusPlus Lucky for you, you don't run the local newspaper.
@JerryCoffin I was :\
@CatPlusPlus Tabloid version: "<Insert celebrity name here> BFF says lack of math education will lead to society collapse!"
16:42
Heh..
@Pawnguy7 You've known me this long, and still take something I say seriously? I must be slipping up badly in my old age.
user3010322
Hm. There's no way to create a file without hitting up the lower-level API, huh? :c
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@ThePhD std::fstream file("wheee");
@MartinJames just hook it up to a generator, problemo solvo
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Oh. I was working with filebuf and passing it openmode flags.
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16:43
Maybe if I drop the flags it'll just... create it for me.
Umm.. there is a file system. It's gonna get there eventually.
@JerryCoffin Apparently my sarcasm detector is not properly tuned on unknown words.
@Pawnguy7 I wasn't being sarcastic, but certainly not serious either.
Erm... I think someone doesn't know camouflage.
@TonyTheLion What do you know about camouflage?
16:45
@TonyTheLion LOL! They couldn't find a darker car?
You know what, fuck this
I am confused. I think I am going to cut my losses and stop talking now.
@EtiennedeMartel I know that behind that while car, his clothing won't hide him very well.
I'm going to put the Lua source directly in my project so I can look at it in the debugger instead of shitty assembly :v
@TonyTheLion I don't think that matters considering he's armed.
16:46
We all saw you wrote "packing heat"
Don't pretend
He's trying to hide from colour-blind people
@EtiennedeMartel Why not dress normally then?
Just realized it doesn't apply here.
?? presumably, someone else is also armed.
16:46
@TonyTheLion Because he's got better shit to do.
"That's my causal outfit"
..and hiding in the bushes wearing a white tux:)
I'm guessing a ghillie suit takes a little while to take off.
He just haven't showered in a while
user3010322
16:47
Lambdas are saving my skin. :D
Maybe he thought bushes also came in car flavour
user3010322
No need for gotos. <3
@ThePhD Just the fact you considered those is disturbing
gotos saved by lambadas? Wot?
What I'm saying is: he probably needed that suit at one point, and now he doesn't have time to take it off because it's not your average t-shirt.
16:48
PhD Logic
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where we desperately try to camouflage our unproductivity [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-answers] [no-questions]
procrastination masturbation
@MohammadAliBaydoun or maybe, you know. .., build your shared library with debug information included, like Everybody else. ..
When everything that you've got is goto, everything looks like... a lambda?
Hey - it's nearly 17:00. Time to stop worrying about today's unproductivity:)
16:49
@sehe lel
> When manufactured correctly, the suit will move in the wind in the same way as surrounding foliage.
@sehe If I didn't suck, sure~
@MartinJames I already went and fed the mutt.
Well, well.
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	bool File::Create( const String& file ) {
		WideString api = file;
		std::fstream f( api.data( ) );
		return f.is_open( );
	}
16:50
Fair enough
user3010322
^ Feels like a waste?
@DeadMG You fed yourself?
I can push the remaining unproductivity until tomorrow.
What is WideString and why is it assignable from String
otoh I don't want to know
It's a bigger string, it makes sense that you can put a small string into a big string
16:51
lol
@ThePhD feels like misguided.
@MartinJames I really commit to being unproductive
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus String is encoded_string<utf8, ...>, WideString is encoded_string<wchar_t_encoding, ...>
user3010322
typedefs.
16:52
@DeadMG I gave Bailey his bowl of Wagg at lunchtime. That's a bit later than normal, and it explained the food bowl circling.
I'm just setting up shop.
@ThePhD What is it meant for?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Add LoungeChat
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@kbok Create a file.
@CatPlusPlus If you find some productivity, roll it back.
16:52
@TonyTheLion That's not an idea.
I branch out to different kinds of procrastination
@ThePhD Then close it? What for?
user3010322
fstream is supposed to make a file with that syntax. I'm not sure if I'm incurring too much overhead unduly by doing that, doing.
@CatPlusPlus Sleep?
user3010322
@kbok It's like, uh, sh touch
16:53
@EtiennedeMartel It's not something other than that :P
Dat flag
Who goes around creating empty files
user3010322
That's the goal, anyhow. Just make a file.
(But I get what you mean)
Now, why have made this shit.
16:54
@ThePhD What do you need that for? Are you making a shell?
Has making a file suddenly become difficult?
Also, why the wide string? This is an ANSI filename anyway
I'd buy it
16:55
@kbok Been a while, hello :).
Did you know that CreateFile can also OPEN files?!?!?!
I wonder if I can get one to fit a pint glass?
@CatPlusPlus Yep.
So I turned on my heater this morning
@TonyTheLion inb4 flagged
16:56
Its still not producing heat :/
@sehe lol
user3010322
@kbok String is UTF8 encoded, not ANSI encoded: Windows can't handle UTF8, but all systems can handle whatever encoding is associated with wchar_t (UTF16 windows, UTF32 Linux), so I do a conversion from String to WideString, which converts the underlying characters to the wchar_t representation (it's meant to be able to work for making Unicode file names).
> As in unfun, or as in slimy?
@TonyTheLion Reboot it
I had so much enjoyment saying this.
@CatPlusPlus It has no butans
16:56
wchar_t has no defined encoding
It's just crap in every respect
PhD fell into the trap
its a trap
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Implementations define their own encodings, so it's moreso just platform specific for certain cases.
@ThePhD that's not conversion, though. It's assignment through range constructor
@ScarletAmaranth hai
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@sehe Conversion between string types which have an encoding are implicit upon assignment; anything outside of the String ecosystem or that is not encoding-tagged requires that you specify the encoding or eat the default.
16:58
@CatPlusPlus Did you know CreateFile can also delete files?
@CatPlusPlus So is char.
I don't really see how char or wchar_t are not equally bad.
@JerryCoffin NO WAY?!?!?!
at least wchar_t is some Unicode encoding on all desktop platforms.
16:59
its like you can write everythning just using createfile
user1804599
Wow.
programming is magic
@CatPlusPlus Sure it can.
@ThePhD you just spent ~30 words saying. .. absolutely nothing

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