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11:00 AM
... So it's a flip-out version of the WiiU's controller.
I'm... thrilled?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you seem to forget about the beginning. People got used to what we have now, and treat it like an axiom, but they forget at the same time how much different gaming was a few years ago. Mobile gaming is creating a whole new path of development with possibilities that weren't there for desktop gaming.
 
I am addicted to online shopping at the moment ... this can not be healthy ...
 
@ThePhD with "a bit" faster CPU/GPU
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Stop online shopping?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Wazzat do?
Also, damn, no croissant for me. :( They were out.
 
11:01 AM
But sure it's easier to say "it's useless bullshit because I don't see it fun/important right now"
 
@Xeo I had like 3 crossaints this morning~
 
@ThePhD that would be as 'easy' as you stop playing computer games
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I do that for very long periods of time. :D
 
So I just leave this circle-jerking desktop-gaming-master-race group of you and head to work.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did I ever mention desktops?
You can make it about that if it makes you feel you are right.
 
11:04 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes others did, sorry for over-generalization
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 You'll be just fine, just ease up on buying so much stuff. Save your money -- be frugal!
 
@ThePhD No way. This shit has got to go on facebook
 
@sehe Haha, well, I don't use facebook ever, so. :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz FWIW, I would not have disagreed with you had you said something like "mobile gaming will not die out". "will become massive" I just find laughable, though.
 
the hottest scene in gaming right now is the PC indie
mobiles are having a real problem with vendor restrictions, especially Apples, and endless crap
 
11:09 AM
@ThePhD Yeah. I noticed. Since you used the lounge as a surrogate fb
 
@DeadMG It's also Yet Another API (TM) to be keeping track of.
 
@ThePhD I don't buy very expensive stuff and I only bought like 5 items recently. But I tend to spend a lot of times shop around, comparing items. Which is very time consuming. And there are a few more stuff I would like to buy.
 
not just the price, also the quality
like for a tent, you have to consider the weight, the durability, the style, the color as well as the price
 
YEEEEEEEE TONY SOUNDS SO COOL OVER THE PHONE. <3
 
11:13 AM
same as a 70 litre backpack
light weight is great, but might be too cold for winter camping purpose and generally light stuff breaks easily ... not too great for hiking camping, not great at all for the $300 you forked out if it breaks on the first night of use just because it is very windy
one dimension problem ($) is easy ... but once it is a multi-dimensional problem, and a lot of variables are involved, things can get a lot more complicated
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion: Make sure he doesn't secretly snap a photo of you guys.
Who knows what he might do with it
 
Ell
I want a croissant
 
@Xeo If he does, and I find photos anywhere on the Internet, I will personally hunt him down and claw him with my Lion claws.
@ThePhD you have been warned ^
 
I want a croissant too ;_;. Last time I ate some was 3 weeks ago
 
I had lamb skews, jelly fish salad and gelato for dinner ... my station, I need to get off the train now
 
11:24 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes This presupposes that you're constantly getting paid whenever you're not driving to petrol stations. It's surprisingly retarded for Randall Munroe.
 
@TonyTheLion Fine with me~
 
Not cool ;_;
 
11:26 AM
Oh.
There's apparently a new texture compression out.
I've gotta go read up on it and figure out how it works.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Damn you!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's inside them? C:
 
Xeo
Well, atleast I got mozzarella and pesto
 
@Xeo oh I'm jealous
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a joke, not science.
> A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language.
 
11:34 AM
Hmm...
 
Croissants are to the Lounge as waffles are to meta, now?
 
What are the rules for POSIX shell globls expansions?
 
> Unicorn Babies Learn Language in Womb, as Early as 30 Weeks
What?
 
If I use something like cp -f "$(OUTPUT)"*in Makefile, will that expand nicely?
 
Moments later I realised it was "Unborn"
 
11:37 AM
sizeof(short) > sizeof(char), or sizeof(short) >= sizeof(char)?
 
@Magtheridon96 all the relations are >= (but some types have minimum sizes)
 
@jalf Wrong! sizeof(char) <= sizeof(short) :P
 
I just finished decorating my main.cpp source file with assertions concerning the architecture :3
 
ETC2
I guess that's the new texture compression format approved by OpenGL.
So if I'm not using DDS, I'll use ETC.
 
@sehe I would have expected better grammar from you!
 
11:42 AM
ETC seems pretty smart
 
Extra Technically Clever
 
You're more likely to find the same colors in 4x4 matrices of pixels rather than single rows or columns of pixels. I can't justify this, it just seems intuitive~
 
> I know coding, I just don't understand all the nonsense they try to teach us.
 
yeah those fags why are they teaching computer science and math JUST GIV ME TEH CODES !!
 
Ell
I'm debating whether I need a physics engine for a racing game
 
11:49 AM
Is this a joke or a bug?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Noticed that aswell probably a bug
 
user142019
A bug, duh.
 
Ell
How is ogonek going?
 
WRT mobile gaming
 
11:50 AM
@FlorisVelleman Reported already meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/190309/…
 
jokes aside, I just got benchmarks from newest GPUs in my super-secret-intel-mail
 
lemme check if I can
 
Ell
Its top secret!
 
bartek@super-secret-intel-mail.com
@Ell I'm working on it again after a short hiatus.
 
11:54 AM
ok ok it's public
 
I am currently rewriting normalization without iterators, which is one of the most complex bits.
 
Ell
Why without iterators?
 
@Ell iterators must go!
 
Ugh, the GitHub renderer goes crazy with the YAML metadata.
 
> about Boost.Range being actually iterators all over again blah blah
:D (I saw it already, but it's still funny)
 
11:58 AM
Taussig?
 
> blah blah Taussig is going to be awesome blah blah
Favorite part.
 
I can't possibly imagine myself working on something like "sequences" (snakes snakes snakes), but somebody has to do it so let's all praise robot so he does his job well and we won't have to.
 
Hmm, also my local copy is a lot more fleshed out. Maybe I should push it.
@jalf I pick random names for stuff. That one is a reference to a joke in an Iain M. Banks book.
 
I have to install Jekyll locally
right now I have no idea what I'm doing on my gh pages
 
12:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz FWIW, I'm cutting lots of corners. Taussig is primarily something that will help me. I do try to make stuff generic, but when I hit a problem that I know I won't have in ogonek, I just skirt around it.
 
Ell
Okay they have managed to stop light completely for a minute
 
Morning
 
> Liquid Exception: No such file or directory - /home/rmf/dev/sandbox/bananu7.github.com/_includes in index.html
 
moin
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how did you get that
 
12:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ./index.html:59: {% include post-entry.html %}
@BartekBanachewicz Cloned your repo and ran $ jekyll build on it :|
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I have to install Jekyll locally
 
No problem. I know how fucking useless the GitHub Pages failure reports are.
Oh, btw, their support is cool.
 
Isn't this the truth (sorry single people)
 
12:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I see you're missing _layouts and _includes folders (folders starting with _ are considered magical and not part of the site).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought that if I don't create them they will be set to default or someshit. Default GH pages creator didn't make them
 
plus what noob would type mysite.com/_includes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, you don't need them if you don't use layouts nor includes. Thing is, you do :P
 
@Rapptz they are not published, so it wouldn't matter, that would just 404
 
I got that from the last message
 
12:12 PM
It's not like it's something secret anyway. You have the source in a public repo.
But it's ugly to have it all mixed when published. Probably bound to end in trouble.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well... his index.hmtl says it is... but is also written like it is not
 
> The regular expression does not cope with comments in email addresses. The RFC allows comments to be arbitrarily nested. A single regular expression cannot cope with this. The Perl module pre-processes email addresses to remove comments before applying the mail regular expression.
 
It's just shows how futile it is to bother with validation beyond .+@.+ and actually sending e-mail.
 
12:18 PM
Btw, @Bartek you may be interested in github.com/tpope/vim-liquid
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is vim-liquid?
 
Filetype plugin for Jekyll stuff (Liquid is the name of the template engine).
 
oh, @R.MartinhoFernandes why did you stop using disqus?
 
@thecoshman They started serving ads without asking.
 
user142019
Feb 14 at 17:09, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Fuck Disqus.
 
12:21 PM
Too bad unicornify bookmarklet doesn't work on SO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes god damn them
and have you found an alterative?
 
@thecoshman i.e. no technical issues. Just fuck them.
@thecoshman No. There's a guy that usually posts my stuff on reddit, so I'm ok with that.
Comments are annoying, tbh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's nice to be able to get feed back though...
 
user142019
> cobol-fun
 
user142019
lol that's one of the few I didn't delete.
 
12:24 PM
I'll have to mess with Jekyll to find out how to not-blog
 
user142019
Just create pages in root directory.
 
yeah that's how I've always done it
 
user142019
I used Jekyll for my friend's website except for the contact form for which I used PHP.
 
user142019
And HTML instead of Markdown but Jekyll supports both.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, but it's a double-edged sword.
 
12:26 PM
I don't wanna deal with the pain of writing html by hand.
 
user142019
I had to due to the design. I don't mind though.
 
(And I am not even talking about hate stuff or trash talk or whatever; I never got those)
 
tag autocompletion makes it less painful, but I wouldn't do it myself if I had an option not to.
 
user142019
Haml!
 
It's just more people vying for my attention. Yes, I could ignore them, but then I might as well just not have the comments at all: at least that makes my ignorance explicit.
@Rapptz You know he's crazy.
 
12:29 PM
No..?
That's awful..
 
user142019
Way better than HTML if you ask me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes people prove you wrong :P
 
At least Markdown supports inline HTML for whatever reason I need it.
 
user142019
So does Haml.
 
So it's not that bad.
 
12:31 PM
@thecoshman That's the good edge.
 
fuck sneaking in ads.
 
@Rapptz AFAIK you can do pages like about.markdown...
 
Didn't they get a lot of shit for that?
 
@Rapptz probably already in some agreement
 
I think so.
@thecoshman Yes, they didn't do something illegal. Who cares? It still makes them assholes.
 
12:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh for sure
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. I was tired. I contemplated doing "Brutu" because somehow the correct vocativus didn't pop into my head. Also, I have a hunch that people are misquoting this anyways, and I didn't want to search for it. Sorry for being lazy :)
In other news, anyone had a look as [Range Operators] library before?
 
The vocative is "Brute".
 
// Some bits are rather amusing there
range(1,3) || mul                         // fuctorial;   mul -  similar to std::multiplies<T>()
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Obviously. I just explained how it didn't pop yesterday :/
 
@sehe Wait, is that supposed to be C++?
What's scc?
 
12:36 PM
Yeah. It's in the link.
 
@Rapptz Probably. I like some of the ideas. However, some of the operations being quietly in-place is deadly I think.
 
Some of the ideas are okay? I guess.. I just don't like it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a command line 'repl' initiative a-la geordie. It's unrelated
 
scc 'vector<int> vec{1,2,3};  cout << vec - 2;'
{1, 3}
 
@Rapptz "it"
 
12:37 PM
Oh gawd, kill it with fire.
NOW
 
@sehe pokes with a stick yeah.. it.
 
How did you reach that conclusion so quickly?
 
> RO’s print operators are _ and __
Tell me when to stop.
 
@sehe Because the further I went down the less it made sense and became insane.
 
@Rapptz Get out of my head.
 
12:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay. Stop
 
Wait.
vec - 2 is inplace?
 
I'm really too forgiving. I like the idea of using operators with standard containers. Though I'd probably advocate a namespacing design. Thinking of phoenix domains.
 
I am revoking this guy's interface design license. IOW go back to your JavaScript or whatever.
 
Either my browser sucks or // ⟨1, 2⟩ are these are squares?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
 
12:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. I think it returns a lazy range that is subsequently assigned to the source container
 
@Rapptz not squares to me, but I get the full banana glory!
 
int main() {
        vector<int> vec {1,2,3};
        vec - 2;
        for (int x: vec) {
                cout << x << " ";
        }
        cout << endl;
}
@sehe Yep.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What does that mean? I don't see output and I can't try it at the moment
 
@melak47 this guy's print function returns bananas?
 
@Rapptz Those are angle brackets (true ones, not less than/greater than).
 
12:41 PM
@Rapptz wat? no, my browser shows bananas :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah okay.
 
@melak47 liar
 
@sehe He says that has equivalent output to scc 'vector<int> vec{1,2,3}; cout << vec - 2;', which is {1, 3}.
@sehe Also, why else would you have vec - 2; on a line by itself?
 
@sehe not for those particular glyphs/things, but it can show bananas!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes could still be either way
 
12:42 PM
@sehe How could it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because scc implicitely prints the last expression unless terminated with a ;
 
Nothing is ever assigned to vec in the example.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nothing ever prints vec
 
@sehe But the full snippet also ouputs {1, 3}.
@sehe The full snippet does. But no assignment.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ow. That's bad
6 mins ago, by sehe
@Rapptz Probably. I like some of the ideas. However, some of the operations being quietly in-place is deadly I think.
 
12:43 PM
@sehe It's just the normal webdev-ridiculous level of bad.
 
^ This was my first thought at the sight of operator-. However, reading on I thought, nah: it must be lazy since the guy mentions he's aware of that later on.
 
I think his ranges is just an iterator design
// is lazy, O(1) storage
scc 'auto ints = range(1,999999999999999999l);  *find(ints.begin(), ints.end(), 5)'
 
@sehe Also, the scc snippet does print stuff.
 
Also. I'm not sure but it looks like he's accepting function pointers (at least he's specifying in terms of function pointers)
 
Yeah it looks like it implicitly prints at the eof
 
12:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but not vec. It prints the trailing expression. Which is vec - 2.
 
@rightfold Well I don't delete anything
 
@BartekBanachewicz You still having that singleton.h?
 
thus, funny enough, I have more repos than you :)
 
why is that std::conditional question in the multicollider with 75 points.
:|
 
@sehe hm, I don't think there's any project using that left currently.
 
12:47 PM
> Unlike other operators, it does not return new lazy-expression-range object, but the same range that was on input, modified in place (and requires mutable range) by corresponding stl-algorithm
 
@Rapptz ... really
 
^ @R.MartinhoFernandes seems inconsistent...
@Rapptz Why are you looking at the multicollider?
 
The more I read the more I think of JavaScript/Perl/PHP.
 
@sehe I was wondering why a trivial snippet got 16 upvotes.
 
Assigning scalars to ranges :( Who cares about type-safety.
 
12:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh.. how?
 
@Rapptz It assigns the scalar to all elements. I.e. fill.
> The only limitation is that C-string is a POD type and C++ does not allow to use overloaded on POD types and we need to wrap it into RO range.
 
fuck C "strings" and C arrays forever
we should drop support for them
 
@Rapptz I don't look at whimsical vanity peter-meters for that reason
 
@BartekBanachewicz You need it at boundaries to work with string literals.
 
"Warning: Const char* is deprecated and will be removed from the next version of the library"
@R.MartinhoFernandes const string&
 
12:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes This is precisely what I think should be required across the board. my_proto_terminal(vec) / funky % shit would be okay for my purposes. And less room for accidents
 
I wish std::u8/16/32string didn't suck.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Throwing implicit conversions at it won't remove the need for it.
 
Wish a bit harder
 
This is C++. There are special cases everywhere.
 
@sehe I'll close my eyes this time.
 
12:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ~compatibility~
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you realise that that affects something close to all C++ code in existence ever?
(And unlike the conversion to char* that was removed, it doesn't have a clear migration path)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I didn't really mean "Standard library" here, more like library X
 
Hm.. he has iterator range and numeric range
I wonder what the difference is
 
Xeo
Whatcha guys talking about?
 
12:55 PM
@Rapptz well. the first is a range over iterators, the other is a lazy generator
 
@Xeo Get ready for extreme disgust.
|| is fold?
 
I'll admit my - to my shame? - that I like the idea of Object in
 
yes lol
 
int i(in);                      //  int i;  cin >> i;
float x = 1.1 + float(in);      //  float y;  cin >> y;   float x = 1.1 + y;
 
12:56 PM
I have to laugh. I can't take this seriously.
If the guy came here right now I would just tell him to go the fuck back to Perl.
 
Aw man. His code is so ugly. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought it's map(-2)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes | was already taken, so were * and / -- evolutionary design
 
10 hours ago, by Rapptz
I hate looking at this style of code with all these fucking extraneous spaces
Well, at least this one isn't as bad as the one I saw.
 
vec / (_1 > val)
 
12:57 PM
@Rapptz That's true. I wonder how he manages to fuck up indentation so badly. I can only think of Notepad. Not sure if impressed
 
wtf? / is find?
 
Yes
 
Funny, isn't it?
 
rg  << value     -> rg   //  append value to range
rg1 << rg2       -> rg1  //  append range2 to range1

rg / value       -> it   //  find()
rg / pred        -> it   //  find_if()
rg / rg2         -> rg3  //  search for sub-range

rg - value       -> rg   //  erase all elements equal to value
rg - pred        -> rg   //  erase all elements for which pred evaluated to 'true`
rg - rg2         -> rg   //  erase subrange
rg - it          -> rg   //  erase at iterator
 
(/ is probably the only one of the crazies that I can relate to; still crazy and would never even think of it)
 
12:58 PM
github.com/lvv/ro/blob/master/basic_range.h look at how he does #if and stuff
 
might come in handy
 
It's.. so weird.
 
Then again, 'filesystem::path("") / ""` and MSM have funny syntaces too
 
Ell
Hmm. To wear other shorts over bike shorts or not, that is the question
 
@Rapptz Woah.
 
12:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too, actually.
 
@Magtheridon96 nothing but they are now inside me
 
@Ell Is this related to your pedo-robot phantasies?
 
guh I hate that all my notifications disappear when I type
 

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