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5:00 PM
@Prismatic: But still not got any answer.
 
So what?
Wait
 
still not a reason to post it here
 
People who want to answer your question will, don't advertise it here
 
shut the fuck up @PravasiMeet
 
You asked the question less than an hour ago
 
5:01 PM
And now a second regular is banned
11/10
 
@DonLarynx Come on now
 
Their flags are being validated?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ He is spamming
 
ok sorry
 
@DonLarynx And you are being rude
 
5:02 PM
@PravasiMeet I'm just kidding, I'll take a look at it.
 
okay....... sorry - a puppy is entitled to take a break for dinner - wassup?
 
bah.... what I was trying to avoid - sorry guys
 
Is it possible to preempt a socket for some time ?
 
@CatPlusPlus Who was that?
 
5:07 PM
nabijaczleweli
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @набиячлевэлиь
 
Okay, how many ROs present and senior room members present that are able to talk?
 
I'll leave it to the others this time.
 
Hahaha I don't give a fuck
 
Flags just need to be disabled :D
 
5:10 PM
@JonClements I'm here.
 
Martin has been absent for some time.
 
what constitutes "senior room member"?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, that'd be simple and great.
 
@Borgleader how should I know? I just loiter, absorb the fun and whatever :p
 
Seriously, they never help, especially since kick-mute
 
5:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes
 
@JonClements Well if i read the info page correctly I've 44k messages here, idk if that counts ;)
 
@Benjamin still busy? Got over your bad instructor speak the other day?
 
You can talk in my stead @Borgleader
 
@JonClements which one?
 
5:12 PM
oh - wait - there was more bad informational advice?
 
@JonClements I'm at work. So I won't be able to talk much. But I can listen in.
 
@Borgleader Not if you don't have any milestone messages
 
@Mysticial well, I'm up for it, but only if it helps and doesn't cause further disruption
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Give it 6 more years
 
I do care, and willing to show effort on my side
 
5:15 PM
Maybe someone will add
 
I'd like options to remain open - especially since - we've been going so well the last week
 
@CatPlusPlus too much work :D
 
Xeo
@JonClements sup
 
So, @thecosh, if you're curious, this is what I ended up purchasing (the disks I simply cannibalized from an existing box). Oh, and I'm back to living at my place now, so I'll (finally) ship your stuff.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Communication with users requires too much time
This time better spent not developing the chat
 
5:18 PM
Two choices - we can have a chat about the meta post, or I just leave and see what happens
 
@JonClements I'm sorry, but I fail to see why you can't just talk here.
What's so secret?
 
It's about your mom
Jul 12 '11 at 15:54, by Cat Plus Plus
1000000th, baby.
rip better times
 
Devs should just give display: none all the UI for the flags.
 
@CatPlusPlus she's be dead 10 years, I doubt she has an opinion on it :p
 
5:19 PM
Plonk confirmed
I'm curious to see what these secret meetings actually try to be useful for. Because from the outside it really doesn't show.
 
not useful for that much, because when it comes down to it, we still can't do anything
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's useful for communicating openly with the mods over the problems we have. So even if we can't do anything about it, at least we get heard. (or at least we think we get heard)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wtf o_0 what sort of wizardry is this? You some how pinged me without the @ showing up... and when I hover over it, it wants to show me the original before translator kicked in
 
Plot twist: Cat is the flagger, and he is doing it to create caos and convince us that moving to another chatroom where he has full control is necessary.
 
5:28 PM
what do you call the properties signed and unsigned?
signedness?
 
user1804599
Signedness.
 
Signedness.
 
really?
 
I call them Bob
 
false alarm people, just some shit that was fixed by refreshing
 
5:28 PM
feels weird
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, looks nice guy
 
user1804599
@TrevorHickey Yes. Why else would I say that?
 
@thecoshman Shocked
 
AHAHAH, Apple ripped off the Surface Pro. AHAHAHAH.
 
@ElimGarak flags
 
5:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How's your "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" going?
 
@ElimGarak Huh?
 
@ThePhD iPad Pro. It matches the display, it matches the typecover keyboard, also added the stylus.
 
@ElimGarak Snrk.
inb4 they make more money than the Surface Pro.
 
They probably will. But I think Apple will do the stylus more justice. Surface Pro's response was too jittery. And far less responsive.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Manageable. I've been sleeping properly, no stress, and I'm happy in general. Didn't have any spikes except this one time when I was hammering and drilling stuff and there was a lot of noise.
 
5:33 PM
I'm happy for you :)
 
"iPad Pro was made possible with massive innovations... In technology."
Jesus Christ, I want to slap him across the face.
 
@ElimGarak Is there some Apple conference I haven't heard about?
 
Ahahah, Microsoft is coming to stage. (it's live right now, @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ)
 
@ElimGarak Linkylink?
 
apple.com, but you need Safari to view.
 
5:36 PM
lol
 
Bleh.
 
"safa" yields Spotify on Apple search
 
lol
The guy from Microsoft doing the demo can't stop smiling / quasilaughing
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Still better than Cortona on Windows 10.
 
5:40 PM
@ElimGarak Whyis Microsoft on an apple.com event?
 
@ThePhD Selling Microsoft Office.
 
@ThePhD Because people wanted something good there
 
@CatPlusPlus <3
ahahah
 
@CatPlusPlus Did the chat suddenly become room owners only?
 
Gawd, it is so obnoxious.
 
5:41 PM
@ElimGarak Did you know MS Office is actually written with Clang on the mac and its actually one big shared codebase?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Dunno
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ He made it private before giving us read-access. So it boots everyone.
 
10/10
I should buy some food
 
how can a constexpr variable have the correct value at runtime, but not at compile time?
 
how do you know it has the wrong value at compile-time?
 
5:45 PM
@AndyProwl static_assert :)
in VC++, of course
 
@melak47 but if static assert fires, then the program won't compile. So how do you know it has the correct value at runtime?
it shouldn't even reach runtime
 
@AndyProwl if I remove the static_assert obviously :)
 
ah
wild guess: constexpr in VC is broken?
 
can I have a dangling reference in constexpr? (but make_pair shouldn't try to create a pair of references, right?)
 
@melak47 right
that would be forward_as_tuple or whatever it's called
 
5:49 PM
tie.
There's no std::pair_tie.
Also, @AndyProwl I need a type trait that is meant to "enable multiple return values" for a certain type T. What should I call it?
 
not even std::bow_tie?
 
template <typename T>
struct {NAME} : std::tuple_size<T> {};
I need {NAME}.
 
"enable multiple return values"?
 
@melak47 Generalized std::tie.
Used explicitly for the purpose of return values.
 
how would you use it?
 
5:51 PM
Like std::tie is used:
std::tie( a, b ) = my_pair_return( i, j, k );
 
what's that supposed to do :S
 
std::pair<int, float> my_pair_return( int i, int j, int k ) { return { i + j, k * 0.5f }; }

int a = 0;
float b = 0.0f;
std::tie( a, b ) = my_pair_return( 1, 2, 3 );
// a is 3, b is now 1.5
 
huh, g++ also reports the crazy number. what's going on? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/80dc968598cc3d25
 
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A: Flags in chat are defective by design

Denys SéguretYeah, they should totally do that

Wow valid answer
Omg such validity
Very stable system
 
@ThePhD ok, and where does your thing come in?
 
Xeo
5:57 PM
@melak47 Through the front?
 
@melak47 When you want to adapt glm::vec2 to be able to be split apart into its 2 components without having to do some crazy bullshit with tuple.
 
so you want your type to be...tieable :D
 
So step one is to create something that tells you how many times you can call std::get<I>( the_type )
@melak47 Impossible with std::tie, because it uses tuple and tuple has a finite constructor set.
That is not extensible.
I also can't edit libraries to use the implicit conversion trick (e.g. implicitly convert to a std::tuple of references of the elements I want).
 
@DonLarynx Do you have a bigger one?
 
no pls I'm on mobile
 
Xeo
6:00 PM
@ThePhD tuple_size.
 
2 messages moved to bin
@melak47 You're welcome.
 
too late, but thanks anyway :)
 
@Xeo Specializing that doesn't make it work with the tuple constructors. (I tried already.) Plus, I don't want to overload standard library types.
So I was thinking of creating my own thing that wasn't necessarily about tuples, but just "the number of times you can get std::get<I>
 
Xeo
make it like std::is_placeholder, is_tuple_like
 
can I use a constexpr variable before it is initialized? o.O
 
Xeo
6:02 PM
what
 
because that'd seem kind of...broken
 
@Xeo Ah. That's a good name!
 
Xeo
@ThePhD check the link to see what is_placeholder does
 
@Xeo I didn't think of having integral_constant<0> be the marker for things not included... that's a nice idea.
 
Xeo
6:08 PM
@melak47 the array warning / error (on clang) is funky
 
user1804599
@JonClements help
 
@JonClements help
 
@Xeo nevermind about that I'm stupid :p
 
woa now
@JonClements help
 
it's just printing the commented in VC++ error :p
 
6:11 PM
now that they're all dismissed, he can't see who did it.
system++
 
@JonClements help, you're getting pinged
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion stop being a help vampire.
 
Jon's busy atm
 
user1804599
Ask on Stack Overflow instead.
 
I'm sure he'll take care of it as soon as he can
 
Xeo
6:12 PM
shoulda left one message flagged
 
does it matter that all flags got invalidated?
 
Yes. Once they are cleared, he can't see who did it.
 
that's unfortunate
 
Xeo
hahahaha
leave mine flagged
 
I'm not invalidating those.
 
6:14 PM
I can't counterflag
 
Xeo
this is gonna be fun
 
user406009
They are back.
 
user406009
Perhaps SO should just turn StarGazer back on again.
 
user406009
Then we can just kick them.
 
I hope our star monger runs out of stars soon
 
Xeo
6:15 PM
new accs man
 
Maybe its a robot with a glitch?
 
Dafuq
 
@Xeo I was trying to use int arr[constexpr_value] = crap to print the compile time value, since static_assert on constexpr_value == 42 fires. but that seems even buggier...?
 
Jesus Christ, nobody cares about the Apple TV, you fucktards.
 
lol apple
 
6:17 PM
@Xeo any ideas how I can print the value "at compile time"?
 
Xeo
template<int> struct dumpv; - dump<ma.second>{};
 
I tried this, but this crashes at runtime...
 
Xeo
lol
 
int arr[ma.second] = { 0 };
using bla = std::integral_constant<int, sizeof(arr) / sizeof(int)>;
std::cout << bla::value << "\n";
that works :D
dump<136585768>': class has no constructors
so wtf is up with that value...
 
Xeo
dunno, bugs or something
 
6:20 PM
every compile, it's a different number :D
compile time RNG!
 
Xeo
lol
 
user1804599
__TIME__
 
user1804599
or UB
 
UB at compile time is best UB
 
user406009
@melak47 Tell us your secrets. How are you getting randomness?
 
6:22 PM
look up
 
user406009
I need this for my compile time algorithms. /s
 
brb
 
user1804599
My favourite UB is having a newline in what would otherwise be a universal character name.
 
deleting incomplete types because it messed up unique_ptr
 
My uni has billed me for 1PLN for a weirdly formulated reason.
Now they are claiming it was a system error.
 
6:24 PM
@Griwes lol
 
Funnily enough, there was a mail notification about that...
 
10/10 would uni again
 
...but not a single one about the fact that it was an error and that that was cancelled.
Ugh.
Anyway, got my brand new passport and a notebook backpack today. This day went pretty well.
The new passport is so much prettier than the old one, though.
 
@Griwes even with your picture in there??
:P
 
With images of various means of transport on each page.
 
Xeo
6:29 PM
@AndyProwl Well, the old one had it too, so.
 
ah, right
 
@AndyProwl ...
 
just kidding
 
@AndyProwl Thinking this over, it might be smarter not to hand me your brand new phone at the conference.
:D
 
hahaha
good advice
 
6:31 PM
@Griwes lol
In 10 years you'll find that you owe them 10000
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Since you know it's std::string, just... std::string{}
Else, remove_reference_t on the decltype
or your own declval-y function that doesn't add a reference
 
@Xeo Ah, I never considered that I can wrap stuff around the decltype.
 
Xeo
Yeah, but that might do bad things if you actually stuff a reference into the declval
 
@StackedCrooked Hmm, what's the semantic of decltype(a, b)? Just b?
 
6:39 PM
I guess he's using decltype for SFINAE
why not using regular SFINAE and just returning std::string?
 
Xeo
expression-sfinae
 
I think it just makes it more obscure here
 
@AndyProwl I like it
 
the function is going to return std::string whenever it can be instantiated
I'd just hardcode the return type and use an additional template parameter for SFINAE
 
Why not just decltype(std::to_string(t)) though?
 
Xeo
6:40 PM
You can just go with std::to_string in the decltype anyways
in this case
since that's what you return
 
Or even decltype(auto) instead of auto, no?
 
Xeo
nah
deduced return type doesn't sfinae
 
@Xeo yeah true
 
@Xeo doh
 
@Xeo Well, it would SFINAE anyway, because you use std::to_string in the body of the function
Or maybe I forgot what SFINAE does
 
Xeo
6:41 PM
35 secs ago, by Xeo
deduced return type doesn't sfinae
SFINAE is in the declaration
not in the body of the function
 
So that wouldn't work, I see
 
days since last VC++ bug discovered: 0
 
Talks about console-level graphics on iPhone, shows some absolute shit game to demo it.
Ahahahah, gawd.
 
Sounds like console-level
 
@melak47 The last bug in VC++ has been discovered? Really? That's incredi....oh, you just meant since the most recent one... damn!
 
6:45 PM
C++ feature request: extern should automatically convert a definition into a declaration where appropriate. That way we can pack code into our "stdafx.h"
 
@Mikhail You're going the wrong way. Just make a declaration able to act as a...tentative definition that will be treated as a definition if another definition isn't found.
 
@JerryCoffin It's the last because nobody wants to look anymore
 
I'm implementing a really nasty algorithm for legacy. Proper pile of dumbs.
 
@CatPlusPlus I never did actually want to look. I just happened to stumble across a few (dozen). In fairness, it's hardly alone in that though...
 
user1804599
woo
 
6:49 PM
@JohanLarsson "...and with the new PPoD algorithm, we will become the leading vendor of dumbs on the entire planet!"
 
user1804599
(\x.\y.ffi putchar(x)) 66 65 prints B :D
 
@JerryCoffin :p
 
@JerryCoffin It is secret so I can't share. That is a good thing for you.
probably three reasons to keep it secret
 
Hey guys, what about billing.gitter.im/accounts? We could move there.
 
6:53 PM
gitter does not have reply to message
nor does slack
 
Nothing does
 
@JohanLarsson It actually seem to
 
hmm, i use gitter a lot, maybe they added it recently.
really nice feature
 
> Markdown power
Heh.
 
code formatting is nicer than here
syntax highlighting
 
6:56 PM
@JohanLarsson ...as opposed to the misspelled words and incorrect punctuation of syntax lowlife.
 
im sloppy
and esl
 

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