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9:00 AM
@thecoshman yes I totally didn't say this isn't the case like 5 times
whatever
 
1 min ago, by Griwes
@thecoshman both "label" and "genre" are correct
 
@Griwes more appropriate != only valid. multiple valid != can't wind up fartek
 
@thecoshman no-one gives a shit about "more appropriate"
 
@thecoshman yes try to hide the fact you dragged me in this idiotic conversation behind "I was only trying to wind you up" despite being clearly wrong
 
any way, time to learn about technology and shit
 
9:01 AM
The word used, consciously, was label.
That was what was meant.
 
@thecoshman just fuck off really
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ so no label is the only valid word?
 
the benefits of being ambiguously lactose intolerant
 
@VermillionAzure oh it's great fun isn't it :'(
 
9:02 AM
@thecoshman Actually, I'm worried about constipation right now
Milk is the pill to help me spill ;)
 
hey guys
 
do you know which religion is easiest to troll?
 
:( I just failed at knowing if I was born before or after 89
 
@Griwes not judaism
 
9:04 AM
@BartekBanachewicz atheism
 
lol, good one
 
@thecoshman You were born after 89 'cause you aren't ~2000 yrs old, hth
 
user1804599
@Griwes Islam.
 
user1804599
Coincidentally also the most fun one to troll.
 
@rightfold meh dunno they really blow stuff up out of proportion
 
9:05 AM
@Griwes Christianity clearly :P "God is a man, loves every one, God is gay!!!!"
 
@Griwes I don't think they got it. :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh....
 
@BartekBanachewicz claps
 
@Griwes Atheism I think
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
9:06 AM
They're already trolled by the existence of theism... and therefore, like, the majority of religions on the planet
 
Aetherism
hey that's a great band name
 
user1804599
The only rational view is to neither confirm nor deny the existence of gods.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Everyone got it :P
 
you're the only one that doesn't get it because of those jokes
 
user1804599
External agents can't be confirmed to exist.
 
9:07 AM
ha ha
anyway
 
If someone didn't, we'd have been flooded with "but atheism is not a religion!!!!111" otherwise. :P
 
I'm supposed to work technically
but I have 4 days left and it's just
 
@rightfold Until somebody gives you hard evidence. And then some people think it's hard evidence but they're not sure but they think so and they tell other people and they all don't know but something happened and a lot of people saw it happen but they all think different things and now suddenly we have a whole group of people who experienced something and have different outlooks on what happened and now let's upscale this to people coming back from the dead, doing miracles...
And now nobody knows WTF is going on. Cheers, religion!
 
user1804599
I'm a solipsist.
 
user1804599
Noun: solipsism (plural solipsisms)
  1. (philosophy) The theory that the self is all that exists or that can be proven to exist.
  2. (Can we date this quote?) Bing West
 
9:09 AM
@JohanLarsson 10 minutes in, still waiting for those 8 lines of code...
 
@rightfold Yes, but it's a more practical stance to adopt additional pseudo-philosophies to guide the perception of perception and mental processes.
It helps to have an overarching framework to view life from, much like it helps to adopt a programming language to accomplish tasks in code.
 
meh, I thought it's ok
but over time I keep thinking that it's not really practical.
I'm afraid of those people
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's okay>
 
@VermillionAzure "to adopt additional pseudo-philosophies to guide the perception of perception and mental processes."
if you base your thinking on "pseudo-philosophies", I can't really know what guides your thinking
what if your pseudo-philosophy makes you think that killing someone is perfectly fine?
 
@BartekBanachewicz All philosophies take assumptions
 
9:12 AM
some are more reasonable than others though
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thinking makes good or bad, not the action itself.
 
Isn't having a religion kind of the point to avoid thinking?
 
There is objectively zero morality without the human experienced and body and perception.
 
Why would you be religious if you can think?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, religion is the system to guide ALL thinking.
Hence why some people insist in religion in government.
By definition and doctrine, a religion that guides all action, by nature, belongs in government.
Except that's not objectively true with respect to scientific thinking.
 
9:14 AM
I am not sure why religions who guide "some" of the thinking are OK
 
@BartekBanachewicz Stop flamebaiting.
 
Are they religions, anyway?
 
A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle. Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may include rituals, sermons...
 
I mean what religion states outright that you can disagree with some of its parts?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not like they can stop you.
 
9:15 AM
true.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't mean their god(s) can't smite you.
 
but then again I don't hear people say "I'm 30% christian"
 
@BartekBanachewicz In Christianity you only have to agree with the core "truths of faith".
 
Religions with common beliefs are often given a label.
 
@Griwes hmm, right, christianity is like a religion framework
 
9:16 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I'd say theism is a religious framework.
 
catholicism is the one instance of a religion based on that framework that has more definitive rules
 
@BartekBanachewicz Still, the general rule is you only have to agree with the core rules.
 
@BartekBanachewicz if only they were definitive... or at least, if only people would just accept it :P
 
nah, in catholicism there's the whole law added later
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, but what I said still stands.
 
9:17 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Catholicism has their own belief in tradition besides sola scriptura.
This is part of why the community split, indeed.
 
@Griwes oh, I remember those
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol I don't
 
I keep laughing at how #3 contradicts the #4
"the part of the god entity became human, and then that human part died"
if it became human, that means the god is less now
unless god is infinite, in which case "subtracting" a discrete part doesn't make it smaller
but in this case, the jesus death was largely irrelevant
 
meh
 
he can spawn a well infinite number of them :D
 
9:19 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It's like Christianity really doesn't have a formal treatment on what God really is
 
ITT applying logic and mathematics to religion
 
That's not really well baiting.
You have to try harder Bratek.
 
> How do I adjust the touchpad sensitvity on an Acer V5 571 6893 (Windows 8)? I saw one post on the subject that suggested taping bubble wrap over the touchpad to overcome the erratic behavior of the overly sensitive touchpad. Is this the state of the art technology I just purchased!?
ow
 
@sehe Laptops, have fun.
 
@Griwes I mean, the whole "god's death" doesn't make sense. Either there's no death, or it wasn't the god.
 
9:20 AM
In any case, I take a more "modernist" view to religion.
@BartekBanachewicz Let's think of God as water.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Aneurism
 
I pour God into a human-shaped container.
The container breaks.
All water is God, but that container with "God" broke.
 
I mean if Jesus indeed went back to the god, that means what died was his human form
and that's supposed to be the great sacrifice?
 
@BartekBanachewicz His human form died. But he was, indeed, "God."
 
Bratek: enjoying literalism since 1998
 
9:22 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It's supposed to show that God was able to literally empathize with being human.
 
@VermillionAzure lol, that's the nonsense part
 
@BartekBanachewicz You are missing the point.
 
How can you empathize with being human if you know well you're a part of an infinite being
 
@VermillionAzure Oh it does. I has about 27 different theologies of that
 
there's no empathy there
there's just a cruel joke
 
9:22 AM
He became a human, and was still (a) god. Then he, the entirety, died, then was dead.
Then was resurrected.
 
@Griwes its human form, you mean?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Let's start with "How can you empathize with being human" for today's exercise
 
By God, can we just move onto modern psychics already and the modern age?
 
@Griwes by definition, you can't resurrect a god
 
Let's talk about Edgar Cayce, recorded psychic who gave a weirdly different world view from his origins as a Sunday school teacher.
 
9:23 AM
@BartekBanachewicz this I surmised
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
What definition?
Show me the definition you are using. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz You simply need to use other, more powerful, gods
 
@VermillionAzure Let's revisit paranormal phenomena
 
@Griwes the omniscient and omnipotent one?
 
(And since we are debating Christianity, point to a quote in the Bible.)
 
9:24 AM
and perhaps "infinite" as well
 
I'm honestly more concerned about modern occurrences of "God."
 
God is everywhere (omnipresent): Mk 5:10; Jude 6; Rev 20:1-3; 1 Ki 8:27; 2 Chron 2:6; 6:18; Isa 66:1; Acts 7:49; 17:27-28; Ps 139:7-13
God is all knowing (omniscient): Ps 139:1-6; Job 42:2; Acts 2:23; 1 Tim 1:17
God is all powerful (omnipotent): Gen 17:1; 35:11; Rom 13:1; 1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:6
@Griwes ^
 
@BartekBanachewicz So why an omnipotent God couldn't resurrect himself?
Sure.
Hence, he can resurrect himself.
 
@Griwes because death contradicts omnipotence
 
"I'm drunk as fuck" -- Isa 420:69
 
9:24 AM
He's omnipotent.
 
BECAUSE WHAT IF GOD IS ACTUALLY NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE AS "HIS" NATURE PROCLAIMS! :|
 
That means he can do whatever.
Which includes dying. ;P
 
...
 
Omnipotence as a concept contradicts logic
 
kinda does.
 
9:25 AM
@Griwes his hair
 
so please don't try to join those two together :P
 
It's funny. People go their entire lives talking about doctrine without any sort of first-hand experience with the supernatural.
 
Apr 20 at 22:58, by Lightning Racis in Obrit
That's what being omnipotent means.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Can he create a rock he can't lift?
 
@VermillionAzure conscious*
 
9:26 AM
They speak, they argue, and they try to bicker about things that they know nothing of until they have an experience.
 
what's more funny is starting with false premises (contradicting logic) and then basing a financial institution on it
 
@BartekBanachewicz hah
 
@Griwes yeah I wanted to bring it up
 
@BartekBanachewicz The church?
 
I can prove any sort of shit if I start with the premise that god's omnipotent
it's literally a worthless observation
 
9:27 AM
@BartekBanachewicz To be false it has to be logical.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which is why most people do not subscribe to logic anymore in Christianity. They take it as it is.
 
It's illogical, hence neither true nor false.
 
@VermillionAzure which is why I am afraid of those people
 
God is omnipotent and therefore global warming is a sin and gays are a myth
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@BartekBanachewicz There's only one way to beat them.
 
9:27 AM
@nabijaczleweli basically that
 
all-knowing and all-good is also contradictory.
 
Conduct deep, profound, objective, research into the supernatural with hard evidence, publishing scientific methods to detect any signs of spiritual life forms.
 
I mean I can't really trust a person who believes in god
 
@nabijaczleweli Yeah, these guys should just stop justifying their inherent stupidity with religion.
 
I just can't.
 
9:28 AM
@BartekBanachewicz How many people do you trust?
 
Once we begin scientifically deconstructing religion, it will either break, bend, or agree with out findings. IN their field of supernatural studies.
 
Are you sure none of them believes in a god?
 
@Griwes around 1% of my acquaintances are religious. I don't trust any one of them.
 
Still, there's a difference between being a fanatic or a zealot, and being religious.
 
9:29 AM
That's exaggerated
 
of course
 
And you seem to be missing it.
 
but if you base your life on made up illogical things, I can't trust you
 
Also what does "not trusting" mean?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Define "base your life".
 
9:30 AM
@BartekBanachewicz You should begin separating the stale institution called religion from the spirituality of being human.
 
@thecoshman Dunno what SU&SD is.
 
You can be religious and base your life on science.
There's no contradiction there.
 
I just don't find any reason to be religious. I don't see the need for a god and I don't see any signs that there is one. And I don't care frankly.
 
But I played Trajan about two years ago and seemed to be one of the few that enjoyed it.
 
@Griwes (like me)
@Veritas Aren't you curious, though? Somebody is.
 
9:30 AM
@AndyProwl it means I think their decisions aren't made 100% consciously.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Neither are ours
 
@BartekBanachewicz lel
 
There are a lot of people on this planet who would be interested to find out what kinds of spirits or life forms actually populate the universe besides us.
 
but for me saying that you believe in god is analogous to admitting to having schizophrenia
 
9:31 AM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz It depends.
 
can it be light? sure, you don't have to see faces and stuff.
But you're mentally ill.
 
Something something randomness something something atomic decay something something deterministicness
 
ITT Bartek doesn't know what schizophrenia is.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some people have first-hand experience with things that they attribute to their religion. Can you blame them? They don't believe it; they just know what they saw, and they can best attribute to religion.
 
9:31 AM
Please don't stigmatise it.
 
So you are basically saying that just because someone has something you don't accept within their mental framework, they are suddenly mentally ill.
 
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what is stigmatise
 
> a mental disorder often characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to recognize what is real.
 
user1804599
hhmmmm
 
Now, please don't be surprised when some people will tell you they consider gays mentally ill.
 
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9:32 AM
I see.
 
Social stigma is the extreme disapproval of (or discontent with) a person or group on socially characteristic grounds that are perceived, and serve to distinguish them, from other members of a society. Stigma may then be affixed to such a person, by the greater society, who differs from their cultural norms. Social stigma can result from the perception of mental illness, physical disabilities, diseases such as leprosy (see leprosy stigma), illegitimacy, sexual orientation, gender identity, skin tone, education, nationality, ethnicity, ideology, religion (or lack of religion) or criminality....
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's an "and" there.
 
@rightfold It's what Bartek is doing to schizophrenia. Marking with stigmata.
 
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> Social stigma is the extreme disapproval of (or discontent with) a person or group on socially characteristic grounds that are perceived, and serve to distinguish them, from other members of a society.
 
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C programmers.
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9:33 AM
@Griwes I didn't say "every religious persion is a schizophrenic". I said it's analogous.
Not recognizing what's real is one of the aspects, I guess
 
@JohanLarsson Also, why does he say "close" when he means "bind"? This is very confusing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And what sorts of experiences have you had with religious people?
 
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
but for me saying that you believe in god is analogous to admitting to having schizophrenia
Yes, you did.
 
@VermillionAzure I care about spirits as much as I care about unicorns and other imaginary creatures. It would be cool if they existed but I don't see any reason to believe they do.
 
@Griwes I said "analogous"
 
9:34 AM
Can you please stop arguing again
Please
 
@fredoverflow dunno, just thought you may have liked the presentation, sry :)
 
Well, there probably is a thin line between having it and admitting it.
 
@Griwes If you're an animalist, you're religious but don't believe in god, I guess.
 
But it ain't really relevant.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "A is analogous to B" is analogous to "A is very much like B"
 
9:34 AM
If you don't know what's real, how can I be sure you, dunno, will suddenly think a person whom you can save isn't real.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shut Up and Sit Down.... board game blog that I swear you got me on to o_0
 
@BartekBanachewicz You misunderstand.
 
@nabijaczleweli is the mumble server still active?
 
How can you tell what's real when it comes to the existence of god?
 
This can be my life. Or life of people I care about.
 
9:35 AM
@edition Always
 
@BartekBanachewicz uhm, what
 
@BartekBanachewicz Okay, you're going off the board here.
 
Mumble is love, mumble is life
 
If anything, a person believing in God should believe in more things.
Not less.
 
I wouldn't want a person having issues with reality to be responsible for people's lives.
 
9:35 AM
kek
 
@AndyProwl simple, bullshit, it's what the religions do vOv
 
whether it's believing in god or not believing in moon landing
 
cough cough president
cough cough prime minister
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're saying that people have issues with reality if they believe in religion? Hm...
 
Don't ever use any means of mass transport, @Bartek
 
9:36 AM
@VermillionAzure yes, that's what I'm saying.
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Or never go to a doctor without asking about their religion.
 
@thecoshman You can refuse what religions say, but you can't tell what's real
 
user1804599
but you follow the Haskell religion yourself!
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@BartekBanachewicz The Christian God (a very popular one) wants people to generally help each other.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think you know what you're saying.
 
9:36 AM
if you can accept religious dogmas like the illogicality of god, you have issues with reality
 
"illogicality"
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you accept Haskell into your heart, your programming will be saved.
 
You have issues with logic.
(Hint: logic has nothing to do with it)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Granted, God is illogical since he's omnipotent. Omnipotence doesn't fit our logical framework.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes that's only what's being said about said god.
 
9:37 AM
IMO many many people believe in god simply because they need to know life does not end and there's a meaning to their life, and there's some form of justice in the universe, otherwise they'd be desperate. That's not an illogical behavior per se, and unless it becomes fundamentalism, I think these people can be trusted more than many others who believe in nothing
 
people please, Satanism is the way.
 
@Griwes Have you tried looking at the modern supernatural phenomena?
@AndyProwl And how do you know life doesn't end?
 
@AndyProwl Yeah.
 
@VermillionAzure I don't
 
9:38 AM
There is no reason to believe in god. People just accept what they are told when kids. I know very few people that actually believe in god because of personal spiritual experiences.
 
@JohanLarsson No need to feel sorry, it's not like I want my money back ;)
 
Many people have given their experiences. Scientists may explain the chemical causes. Who is there to say that we still don't know something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not in any particular religion. The religions themselves, as man-made social structures, carry a lot of practical benefits.
 
@Veritas See above.
 
@Veritas And this is the failure of our society and religious system.
 
9:38 AM
I think that religions are an important part of our culture.
 
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> I think
 
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That's already a huge step forward!
 
@BartekBanachewicz You seem to misunderstand that God != religion.
 
ITT @Bartek wants religions without faith
 
what I fear are the bits in human minds that make them follow religion
I fear people in which those bits are more prevalent, that's all
And I consider it a mental illness.
 
user1804599
9:39 AM
feta > faith
 
You're free to disagree.
 
Buddhism originally was without a God. Hinduism has no one "God." Confucianism has no god.
 
Stupid and fundamentalist people will be there always.
 
of course.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you consider Nazism a mental illness?
Fascism?
 
9:40 AM
Important is being reasonable. If you're super-logical but unreasonable, you can't be trusted either
 
@Griwes Communism?
 
@Griwes Nazism wasn't nearly as prevalent in the history of human kind as religion
 
Because they also had people religiously following them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz How does that matter?
Some illnesses are rarer than others.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Mechanisms were the same.
 
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9:40 AM
Heil Allah!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in order to be treated as illness, you'd need to pinpoint them to actual brain mechanics, not social impact, no?
correct me if I'm wrong here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol you seem to know a lot about this.
 
user1804599
For learning more about brain mechanics, please shitpost on Biology.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes was that sarcastic?
 
user1804599
No.
 
9:41 AM
@BartekBanachewicz This is very dangerous. Shall we revisit the "facts" of eugenics or the very fundamentalist behavior patterns that are analogous to your current opinionated behaviors?
 
The single overarching diagnosis criterion for mental illnesses is affecting the subject's ability to lead a normal life.
 
And suddenly, I'm making aphorisms too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm
 
@thecoshman Finally, a kindred spirit
@VermillionAzure all of them?
 
@sehe not sure if sarcasm...
 
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9:42 AM
do what you want cause a pirate is free
 
user1804599
you are a pirate!
 
Hmm, I guess some people don't like talking about religion...
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Sarcanism
 
A Pirate is bound buy nothing buy cliché
@Xeo Snarcism
 
Discordianism.
 
9:43 AM
pirates don't have codes of conduct?
 
Until they're beaten down. Depressed. Suicidal. Losing loved ones. Lost. Afraid. Dying. Betrayed. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess this doesn't necessarily invert, meaning not everyone who has problems living a life is mentally ill? If so, how do you differentiate?
 
@BartekBanachewicz mental != neurological
 
@AndyProwl those are more like... guidelines
 
9:44 AM
...has Bartek reached Cinch level yet?
 
@Griwes that's my line :\
 
@VermillionAzure or you don't like hearing certain opinions about it
 
@BartekBanachewicz You could simply be poor.
 
@VermillionAzure you can't touch his level
 
Is being poor a mental illness?
 
9:44 AM
(a good thing)
 
Please don't answer that.
 
anyway, how do you differentiate?
 
@thecoshman too slow vOv
 
@BartekBanachewicz please don't ask derailing questions pretending to be baiting rhetoricals
 
9:45 AM
okay, it seems that the vast majority of people in this room is either a certified PHP expert or has serious mental disorders poll-maker.com/results361968xf3Cb4369-14#tab-4
possibly both
 
@BartekBanachewicz Mental illnesses are simply defined relative to "normal," which, by this reality, relies on the statistical normal.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er. Mental illnesses are manifest in the individual's behaviour?
 
@MarcoA. Maybe a PHP expert certification is a diagnosis
 
@Griwes shh, I learning stoof
@sehe what else can he do?
 
9:48 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33464970
I'm having deja vu. If this goes the way of gay acceptance... Oh my god...
 
user1804599
Better a PHP expert certification than a C++ expert certification.
 
user1804599
Paedophilia is totally fine just like all other sexual orientations are totally fine.
 
@rightfold Until it becomes child abuse.
 
user1804599
What is wrong is abusing people, whether you're a paedophile or not.
 
@VermillionAzure it does make sense though. Thoughts should not be be a crime, just acting on them.
 
9:49 AM
@rightfold Can a child truly consent to something?
 
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Do I know? It's irrelevant.
 
@thecoshman No, I'm not talking about this. I think the therapy is a good thing.
@rightfold No, because consent is the line between sex and rape, or in this case, sex or hidden and implicit molestation.
 
user1804599
What does sex have to do with sexual orientation?
 
user1804599
It's not a necessary consequence.
 
@rightfold Sexual orientation is often correlated with sexual partners.
 
user1804599
9:50 AM
So?
 
Lounge<[un]popular opinions>
 
user1804599
Does that make it wrong to be oriented towards people you're not allowed to be sexual partners with?
 
Therefore, we cater to the statistical majority due to the resounding effect of acting based on the majority situation.
@rightfold Of course not. I'm not plain straight either.
 
Lounge<Lounge>
Lounge<Bartek's Trust>
 
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Lounge[Scala]
 
9:52 AM
Good one
 
Lounge<Lounge>Lounge
 
What does "I'm not cis either" mean?
 
Look, I think the age factor should be taken into consideration due to the developmental and deeper-ingrained problems it can cause people.
 
user1804599
Lounge Haskell
 
9:52 AM
Lounge<Lounge<Lounge>>
 
More importantly, why did you feel the need to mention it?
 
oh my god i used the right one.
 
user1804599
Perl 6 has generics!
 
@rightfold Sorry if I offended.
 
@Bartek Anyway, please don't stigmatise schizophrenia or any other mental disorder. People with actual schizophrenia need to be helped, not shunned.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you help these types of people, though
Specifically, if they don't want it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I find it funny that comparing people with schizophrenia to religious ones is actually hurting the former.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It is because you're using it as way to exclude those people.
 
It's not the comparison that hurts anyone.
It's the intent you made that comparison with.
 
user1804599
I like Lounge(Of VBNET).
 
9:54 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes mm, what would you say if I said we should help religious people?
 
And in doing so you apply to them the schizophrenia label.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes shouldn't it be "please don't stigmatize people with schizophrenia"? sorry, for correcting.
 
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@BartekBanachewicz I'd reply with "we should help gays" vOv
 
@Griwes help how
 
9:55 AM
@edition Yeah, I guess.
 
@BartekBanachewicz In the same way you'd want to "help" religious people.
 
@rightfold sometimes I wish he frequented the Lounge
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd say that you're nuts. They don't need help.
 
A.k.a. in the way they don't need any help in. :P
 
People in suffering need help.
 
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9:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz XD
 
 
user1804599
Richard Hawkins
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes only if someone wants them to suffer less
 
> Re: Adjusting touchpad sensitivity.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what if someone is unable to realize they're sick or suffering at all? Does it become an ethics question?
 
9:58 AM
'Tis but a flesh wound!
 
I'm curious.. has there ever been a case of someone saying "together we can/will ...." actually succeeding at doing something and not horribly screwing everything later or postmortem due to the mentally illed human nature?
 
@VermillionAzure I think the problem is not with the consent. It's not even (just) about trust. It's about allowing freedom.
Priming sexual experience before the socially accepted age robs children of that freedom to "be normal" socially
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, also, I guess it's reasonable to help schizophrenics; OTOH I don't think it's weird to be afraid of, say, a doctor or a bus driver being schizophrenic. Is it?
 
@MarcoA. Every attempt at unifying stuff or people in one way or another failed terribly so far. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz It didn't need to become that. It was that
 
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@sehe Surprising, the American mind doesn't understand receptive freedom
 
@Griwes we're all gods children m8
 
Freedom from vs Freedom to
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, so by extension you are afraid of a driver who goes to church on Sundays?
 
basically.
 

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