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3:00 PM
I even have ninja tasks for building the images and for flashing them over Bluetooth.
 
I don't really like the idea of making each robot do too much, I'm focusing on the mainframe and the robots doing exactly what they're told
 
Oh, and putty for serial port debugging.
 
TIL universal references are now called forwarding references
 
Granted that's a bit subpar, but I didn't want to bother getting anything else to listen to the serial output.
 
Ell
I did that too minus the Bluetooth & putty
 
3:00 PM
I got as far as buying some servos, testing that I can do shit with them via a python script on the pi... then shelved it.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey that was ages ago man, get with the tymsz
I can't tye
 
I'm mostly interested in getting into some nice mainframe driven complex behavior e.g. no expert robot for task T available, use two robots that together have the required capabilities instead
 
@AlexM. takes more bandwidth to talk to them that way.
 
at this point
 
distributed is the way to go.
 
user1804599
3:02 PM
If you think records in Haskell are bad, you should see records in Erlang.
 
@Ell Well, flashing over Bluetooth is actually the same as flashing over USB. It's a virtual COM port.
 
How bad are they?
 
@thecoshman yea but I'm not sure how much that will affect things
 
You just need some hardware on the Arduino side.
 
@Jefffrey I guess very
 
Ell
3:02 PM
Yeah
 
also I forgot to mention
 
I find communication in a LAN to be pretty fast :P
I don't expect lag to make the robots unusable
 
one of my friends friend wants to contribute to Hate!
 
@AlexM. well sure, you have to think about how much time it takes for the chip to work shit out compared to just telling it more.
 
Ell
3:03 PM
Balls I forgot to build NTFS into kernel :v
 
I build all my Arduinos with a plug for that so I can just put it in and reprogram.
 
Ell
I could have sworn it was in there already
 
@Ell Just buy a Mac will ya
 
I'll solve the wheels problem this weekend since I'll be visiting my parents and I don't feel like installing all of my tools on my laptop
in the meantime I'll focus on sth else
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Say you define a record person with three fields name, phone and address: -record(person, {name, phone, address})..
 
3:04 PM
I also have one with a ZIF socket that I can use to flash new chips en masse.
 
@Ell wait... are you trying to put together your own distro?
 
I got an idea about the mainframe intelligently distributing tasks while taking into consideration expected energy consumption
 
Might have taken the whole thing a bit too far.
 
noob
configuring kernels is common on arch, gentoo; not strange on any linux really
 
so no robot goes KIA while working
 
user1804599
3:05 PM
Now when you construct one using #person{name=1, phone=2, address=3}, the preprocessor transforms this into a tuple literal {person, 1, 2, 3}.
 
@sehe he was failing to use an existing one :\
 
Ell
@thecoshman funtoo/gentoo is a meta-distro
 
I'll figure out some theoretical cases and try to come up with some learning algorithm
 
@thecoshman Building your own kernel is not at all that.
 
@rightfold That's actually usable
 
user1804599
3:05 PM
Since it's a preprocessor hack, to extract a field, you have to write the name of the record again: MyVariable#person.name.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, the chips are fairly cheap, so if you are done prototyping with the arduino and ready to make a small 'finished' thing, may as well
 
2 mins ago, by Ell
Balls I forgot to build NTFS into kernel :v
 
user1804599
They're largely obsoleted by maps since OTP 17 though. :3
 
@thecoshman I already told you I prototype with Arduinos built on breadboards :D
 
Sep 29 '14 at 11:44, by Rapptz
@LucDanton They decided to rename it 'forwarding reference'
That was really ages ago
 
user1804599
3:07 PM
Now you can just write #{name => 1, phone => 2, address => 3} and extract them using MyVariable#{name}..
 
I wondered a bit, why are robot-related hardware stuffs so cheap
like, you can get a geiger counter kit for $150
 
"cheap"
 
@thecoshman I actually only use that thing to flash bootloaders (since the chips come empty and I can't reprogram them over BT without the bootloader there)
@AlexM. CHEAP?
 
it looks cheap to me if you'd have asked me what a geiger counter kit would cost before I'd have said like $1k
 
Ell
Its probably bad at counting geigers
 
3:09 PM
metallic motor without gearbox: $2
 
Ell
I think a real geiger counter is at least £1k
 
mechanical things seem to be cheapest
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey your mother is cheap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I know your idea of prototype is more polished than most peoples 'finished' product :P
 
@Ell it's the only one available, it says "use only for educational purposes, do not use to measure the radiation levels at your local plant or to check if the nuclear warhead in your backyard is still functional"
 
3:11 PM
@Ell Not at all.
 
I wish checking if the nuclear warhead in my backyard still works didn't require such a financial effort...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes iirc you can just buy one chip with the Arduino boot loader, and then use that install the bootloader onto other fresh chips
 
can you die while working with these arduino things
I mean is there enough electricity going on to kill you
 
Ell
Oh wow
 
3:13 PM
@AlexM. No, unless you misuse external powers and connect yourself to something with enough power to kill you. Arduino is 5V
 
Ell
@AlexM. Not unless you connect yourself to the power supply
(Before the arduino)
 
@thecoshman That's what I do. I have one "official" Arduino Uno board. I used it to flash one chip. Then I built a board with that chip and a ZIF, and programmed it with the ArduinoISP program. Now I just put new chips in the ZIF and start flashing. I.e. I have a dedicated board for flashing.
 
Ell
I'm very thankful that emacs comes with tetris
 
I haven't messed with emacs yet
should I?
 
3:14 PM
^
 
@nabijaczleweli stop. pinging. PLEASE.
 
Not dedicated enough since it still requires a computer as a driver, but I plan to add some EEPROM to it to store the image and a button that just does the flashing directly from there.
 
5 pings :<
 
Drama
 
@AlexM. nevar
 
3:16 PM
you know the problem with these arduino robots is that they're not very pretty
 
not the expected response when taking the widespread emacs evangelism into account.
 
had I a 3D printer I'd print something to dress them in
 
@JohanLarsson Do I not understand this 8 lines of code talk because I'm not a Java dev?
 
@AlexM. They still haven't delivered mine :<
 
3:16 PM
@AlexM. Same thing can be said of your stock armoured tank
 
They said they'd do it today :<
 
you got a 3D printer?
 
Gotta call fucking UPS again.
 
what kind? the only thing I see being available for people to buy here is a prusa i3 printer
 
@AlexM. KS it ages ago, arrived at the UPS thingy recently; they are incompetent as fuck with getting it to me, though.
 
3:17 PM
@caps either that, or something else :/
 
this is awesome openbionics.org
 
@sehe Like what else?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that would be nice, a standalone device. SD card for image, ZIF for fresh chip. power on, push button, flash that bad boy :D
 
I've never seen code that obfuscated?
 
Ell
3:18 PM
Emacs appears to really be a monolith
 
@caps I think so.
 
@caps ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes looks prettier than the prusa i3 but smaller (?)
 
Ell
Email, browsing, text adventure game, gdb, version control
 
3:19 PM
@AlexM. I like small.
 
> We're excited to announce the launch of DbRank: the best way to hire the most talented database experts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not able to re-flash the boot loader though, is it?
 
It's a cube 18cm on the side.
 
a fully assembled prusa costs 750 eur here
 
@thecoshman That's what it does.
 
3:19 PM
@sehe I don't know what you're getting at.
 
non-assembled is 520 eur
 
@caps I prefer to keep it that way
 
> Use the Burn Bootloader > Arduino as ISP command.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh it's a 'high voltage' guy
no, I mean, can it flash a boot loader onto a chip that already has a boot loader?
 
@thecoshman Dunno about SD card.
@thecoshman Yes.
 
3:20 PM
AFAIK that requires a fancier set up
oh ok
 
I was thinking of just putting the image on EEPROM.
Add a mode where you can replace it from the computer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes shouldn't be too hard to read from an SD card, and easier to change IMO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 18cm not being the max printed size rite?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh maybe do that yeah
 
for the printer I posted the max printed object size is 20 cm X 20 cm X 20 cm
 
3:21 PM
@thecoshman I don't expect changing to happen often, though.
 
@rightfold This one was cheap
 
user1804599
> Metal Gear Solid 5 Playable Publicly for First Time at Gamescom 2015
 
user1804599
drool
 
Ell
SD card isn't so difficult
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv maybe not. Not sure how much of a PITA it would be to update the eeprom though
@Ell that's my thinking
 
3:23 PM
@thecoshman Just connect to the computer, run a command.
 
you could even get really fancy (ie, totally over do it) and have a small LCD and a menu system for selecting what image to burn :P
 
Ell
But generally storage is a pain because you cant manipulate files easily
 
@thecoshman The idea would be to change the program to have a "swap image mode".
@thecoshman But compact :/
@Ell Yeah, but grabbing bytes from EEPROM is even easier.
No filesystem even, just bytes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a 2*16 lcd is small enough
 
Kinda like "download mode" on my phone.
It's a boot recovery mode that more or less just waits for a computer to upload an image to it.
 
3:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes like hold a button during power up, and it will read a new image to store on the eeprom
 
Yeah.
The thing about the EEPROM is that the microcontroller already has some.
 
home time :D
 
I.e. no extra components.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yes... plenty of space for a boot loader :D
 
Ideally I'd be able to build the whole thing on the back of the ZIF, since it's by far the largest piece.
(I'd use a surface mount package for the microcontroller, instead of the traditional DIP)
But the iteration I have right now is credit card sized.
 
Ell
3:29 PM
Hey it finished
 
I'm dumb.
Opened KeePass, got the password I wanted onto the clipboard, closed KeePass, tried to paste the password.
Closing KeePass clears the clipboard...
 
this is a great song youtube.com/watch?v=oDJebvj9ASw
sounds so modern for something 20 y old
 
Ell
Okay next step is keepassx
 
esp at 5:35 and on
 
Ell
Which requires qt...
I've a feeling I'm in for a wait again
 
3:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a very small value of dumb if I'm honest =/
very small
 
Java and Objective-C code always freaks me out because there's all these news everywhere.
 
Hello Everyone,
A quick question, what is meant by heavy object? I see this term used several times on a SO answer.
 
@hello Probably some MSVC crap
 
an object with a big size?
 
> "HEAVY OBJECT" (ヘヴィーオブジェクト) is a science fiction series by Kazuma Kamachi (鎌池 和馬) and illustrated by Ryou Nagi(凪良) published under the Dengeki light novel label. Currently nine volumes have been published. There is also a manga adaptation previously serialized in the monthly magazine of Dengeki Maou.
An anime adaptation of the light novels is currently under production.
hey this looks cool
thank you stranger
 
3:36 PM
@hello s/heavy/big
 
anime
 
I saw it here. http://stackoverflow.com/a/12572702
Could it be when you call a ctor from itself
 
is this cicada?
 
doesn't look 100% like cicada to me
it could be a legit guy
 
@hello Heavy = big in size in this context
 
3:38 PM
I bow to the genius decision of blessing lisp with smart and elaborate names like caddr,cdaar and cddddr
 
cheddar
 
although cicada hasn't been around for a while and had some shitty clones drop by
it could be cicada
 
@hello An object with many members or, more accurately, one or more members that are large in memory.
 
I need a plan for evening food
I need salt
 
@AndyProwl cheddar is great in burgers esp
 
3:40 PM
yep
 
when I tried it raw it went to the first few positions on my top of cheeses :D
it had a very pleasant taste
 
@caps How large does memory gets to qualify as large ? The class only has two members, std::string and int
 
although gorgonzola and hermelin are my favorite cheeses
 
my favorite cheese still remains a local cheese recipe :<
I don't doubt that "objectively" it's worse than others when evaluated by someone in a position to evaluate
but I've eaten so many traditional dishes with it I just can't
 
Ell
I'm alive!
and by that I mean I am talking to you from beyond the grave my new install
@AndyProwl fondue!
 
3:43 PM
How long was that?
 
Ell
My install?
 
what I like most about it is the salty taste combined with the texture and quick melting :D
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes about 4 days :P
 
it's lovely to get it melted in polenta (i.e. mamaliga)
 
Ell
3:44 PM
^I have no sound yet but I presume he says what the title says
3 days of messing around with btrfs, 1 day of emerging stuff
 
@hello It depends.
 
@Ell lol what was that
 
@hello A std::string can get pretty big if you put a book in it.
 
Ell
It's wallace and gromit
The epitome of british-ness
 
don't know that
 
user3790646
3:45 PM
Mercy! I cannot best you
 
user3790646
Where's Lightness?
 
Ell
Wallace loves cheese and crackers
that's his thing
 
@AndyProwl he's been around before
 
@AndreyErick in orbit
10
 
I hope I don't get attacked on Clash of Clans :c
 
user3790646
3:47 PM
:')
 
Only 2 hours
 
doesn't seem to have ever trolled
I think that this guy is definitely not cicada
I have spoken.
 
yeah probably
I trust your cicada detection algorithm
 
@jeffery: i am shielded for 15 hours ;)
 
> jeffery
 
3:47 PM
@jeffery: i am shielded for 15 hours ;)
 
> jeffery
 
user3790646
Lightness disappeared...
 
user3790646
I miss her.
 
wasn't LRiO a he?
 
only irl
 
user3790646
3:49 PM
Oh wait is that true? Then I don't miss 'him' anymore.
2
 
lol
another one who was deceived by the cleavage
2
 
@Veritas yea
lrio was basically the non-anime version of me as far as avatars go
 
@jeffery: i am shielded for 15 hours ;)
 
3:51 PM
> jeffery
 
I'm ordering pasta tonight, because I know it makes me !hungry
no more japanese food experiments
I've had enough :<
 
how do I get salt without going out and buying salt
 
Japanese is yummy
 
@AndyProwl Order it
 
3:52 PM
@Jefffrey you know the sushi itself wasn't bad but it was tiny and the other things didn't taste very nice
the soy sauce tasted funny
and the ginger was stinging my everything
 
I would put soy sauce even on my pizza
It's my second favourite sauce
 
the fish + rice combo was great... which is not unexpected
since I regularly get onigiris at the mall
 
@CatPlusPlus nosuchanoption.jpg
 
lol swamp dwellers
 
BBQ sauce is my most favorite sauce, thanks for asking
 
3:54 PM
most favoritest
 
BBQ sauce is great in burgers
 
It's great in everything that has meat in it
 
@AndyProwl Sweat.
 
back when I first discovered the mcdonalds big tasty I was amazed by the taste
then I discovered that it was really just shit covered in bbq sauce
and I liked the bbq sauce
 
Oh you eat at mcdonalds?
That explains everything
 
Ell
3:55 PM
@AndyProwl cheese
bacon
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I forgot to mention I cannot sweat
 
Ell
any cured meat
 
@Jefffrey not that often anymore
 
@Ell I don't have any cheese
 
their food turns really really disgusting once cold
 
3:55 PM
ITT Andy is a dog.
 
@Ell I don't have any bacon
@Ell I don't have any meat
 
makes you wonder what kind of tricks they use to make it less disgusting when given to you
 
Ell
Do you have access to seawater?
 
no
I need to minimize contact with the outer world
 
Ell
Do you have a swimming pool or chlorine?
 
3:56 PM
I don't
 
Ell
Hmm
 
Can you synthesize it in a reactor?
 
Ell
you must be able to get chlorine from some kind of cleaning product
mix some bleach and ammonia, that ought to do it
(don't really(
 
@nabijaczleweli Damn, why haven't I thought about it before? Thanks!
 
obtw guys in case there's any nerd here who likes fantasy stuff for their dragons store.steampowered.com/app/279720
to date I think it's still the only "dragon sim" that does things right out there
action RPG where you're a dragon
 
3:58 PM
shall I cook pasta without salt
inb4 no
 
Won't that destroy your Italian passport?
 
I'm afraid it will
 
Italian passports must be submerged in boiling salted water once a month or they dissolve.
 

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