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user1804599
8:00 AM
I want to program in Go.
 
@rightfold it's not that good
 
user1804599
Wrong.
 
@DeanSeo Actually I've been coughing a bit since I came back from Korea pls help
 
oh hey, this room might like this: imgur.com/a/9CAfo
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user1804599
Go is an excellent orchestration of good ideas.
 
8:02 AM
@rightfold Holidays
 
@buttifulbuttefly RIP
 
@khajvah Some are. Not all.
 
user1804599
Having to name subqueries in FROM clauses is so silly.
 
@rightfold MySQL?
 
@FlorianMargaine lol
 
user1804599
8:08 AM
@MarkGarcia No, why would I use that crap?
 
What's the main difference between the database backend thingies anyway?
 
@rightfold Well that scratched off one from the top of the list.
 
I never used any of them. I never used a database really.
Well, not when programming.
 
user1804599
@rubenvb That's like a Stack Overflow question.
 
user1804599
I.e. it's vague and unanswerable. Define "database backend thingies".
 
8:11 AM
@rightfold MySQL, PostGRESQL, MS SQL, MariaDB, Oracle SQL thingie, etc.
 
user1804599
The difference is their feature and bug sets.
 
@FlorianMargaine nothing like a good decoy conspiracy to keep the minds occupied
 
user1804599
I only have experience with MySQL, PostgreSQL and SQL Server. PostgreSQL is less quirky than MySQL and supports some more SQL features. SQL Server, being Microsoft's, naturally has a lot of non-standard facilities for easier vendor lock-in.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Dude you are a MERS holder!
 
user1804599
Also, I would never use SQL Server for the sole reason that it's not FOSS.
 
Ven
8:17 AM
@sehe I see your shenanigans and I raise the objection that "sheninagan" is a very pretty word.
 
Microsoft is cancer
 
user1804599
No, they produce some nice things.
 
user1804599
Such as Z3.
 
@khajvah Microsoft keyboards are awesome.
 
Ven
@rightfold O_o that's the first time I ever heard you say something good about 'crosoft
 
8:20 AM
Jul 15 '14 at 9:32, by rightfold
Microsoft is the Illuminati.
^ That isn't good?
 
user1804599
:tinfoil:
 
user1804599
user image
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Ell
> 'crosoft
Lol
 
@Ell He doesn't want to refer it as "my".
 
@rightfold Hilarious.
 
user1804599
8:22 AM
> MySQL does not support Window Functions.
 
user1804599
LOL
 
user1804599
MySQL is the PHP of DBMSes.
 
user1804599
MongoDB is the Node.js of DBMSes.
 
Xeo
mornin
 
Ven
8:24 AM
MySQL is slow as a dog
MongoDB will run circles around MySQL
 
user1804599
MongoDB will run circles around MySQL, because MongoDB is web-scale.
 
I have a philosophical question regarding web services (SOAP, REST, any). I am seeing that usually the APIs are usually modelled for single entities, sometimes multiple entities batches, but never for batches of requests.
In one of the projects I have been working on in the job, I have seen this causing huge overhead.
 
user1804599
> Girl, I wish I was your derivative so that I could lie tangent to your curves.
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user1804599
> You turn my software into hardware.
 
nerdpuns
 
user1804599
8:27 AM
> Ruby On Rails? Not since your smile threw her off-track.
 
@Ven I see you don't need a conspiracy to keep your mind occupied. Carry on :)
 
Ven
@sehe Do you have any other shiny word like shenanigan for me?
 
user1804599
destroy indents
 
It seems to me that it should always be beneficial to have like a single entry point only and API that accepts list of requests (request structures/JSONs/XMLs, etc.). In which case optimization by coalescing requests for individual entities is possible and would provide huge performance benefits.
 
user1804599
@Ven shinigami
 
8:29 AM
@Ven postprandial hypotension
 
Ven
@rightfold ew
 
@Borgleader hahahaha
 
Ven
@sehe Ah, sadly, I learned about that one yesterday. Weird timing though!
 
@wilx In my implementation, I usually have an optional parameter for the function processing single requests that should contain a previous "transactionized" query that is returned by the same function. In my no-so-REST API, I have a special case for multiple batches.
 
> Drink the cocktails. Fight the titans. Make your own Titans. Drink your friend's cocktails.
WANT
 
8:29 AM
@Ven do you follow my twitter? I learned it ~1.5y ago from @Luc
 
user1804599
@sehe I like orthostatic hypotension.
 
user1804599
It's an amazingly horrible experience.
 
@rightfold yeah stuff like that is fascinating
 
user1804599
EVERYTHING IS WHITE
 
8:31 AM
> The game's name has no link with the game whatsoever..... 10/10
Best review.
In other news, I lost my phone.
 
I love this one:
 
In the gripping news, man, I don't care.
 
Thanks to Robot, I'm getting my rubiks cube in the post today.
 
Ven
@sehe No, some friend of mine told me about it
 
8:32 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How did you manage to do that? Did you put it in your briefs while trying to run across the city for clothes and it fell out?
 
Ven
@sehe this kind of stuff is dangerous for her, because of a few (rare) diseases she has
 
Ven
@rightfold racism
 
user1804599
CNOT is my favourite gate.
 
@Ven that is odd timing. But the implication that I'm not "some friend of yours" is reassuring
 
user1804599
8:33 AM
Also that door switch I made in Minecraft used an NXOR gate, not a XOR gate.
 
user1804599
I wonder how to make an OR gate with pistons.
 
Rightfold, why are you playing non-FOSS game?
 
Ven
@sehe Is that supposed to be a burn?
 
did MSHIT drop the support of linux version of minecraft?
 
@Ven No. I like observing alternative readings of text
 
Ven
8:36 AM
@sehe well, yeah, those are pretty bad diseases.
 
@khajvah Yeah. They'll support it in text mode, running on their new SSH implementation
 
@wilx I was going to my... special friend?'s place for a game of Scrabble, and sometime between buying two beers at the nearby shop and arriving at her place the phone was gone. I retraced my steps but it was too late.
 
user1804599
I wondered why this program couldn't find any prime factors of 19. :|
 
Cool story
 
user1804599
This program is horrible.
 
user1804599
8:38 AM
When I give it 42 it tells me the prime factors are 14 and 3.
 
At least the product still "adds up" (wtf English, Y U DO DAT)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sucks
 
user1804599
I think you have to use this program in a loop.
 
Can't you call your cell phone service provider and ask them if they can trace it?
 
And then?
They can't tell you 'cause ~~privacy~~
 
8:39 AM
I heard once some guy here in the UK did that, after losing his phone, and they told him on what bench he left it.
 
Ooo. It could be on a Nonius bench
 
dat pun
@sehe surely if he's the owner, that isn't an issue?
 
Surely they can't tell?
 
well you could always try with the NSA :P
 
a friend of mine lost her phone 2-3 weeks ago too
If I lost my phone I would be glad that I didn't fix the power button for $400
 
user1804599
8:42 AM
> 256 = 128 * 2
 
@TonyTheLion WTF How the hell does that work with a call?
There's no way to establish identity.
@TonyTheLion How do you establish that in a phone call?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't know, I wasn't there to witness it
 
I would rather that didn't work.
(Battery is dead anyway)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry. I just think the "I have no clothes" story is very funny? :)
 
Ven
Moldbug is speaking at strangeloop http://www.thestrangeloop.com/2015/urbit-a-clean-slate-functional-stack.html
 
8:46 AM
I have clothes now.
 
Good start.
 
"Playing scrabble." Is this what they call it these days? ~_^
 
@wilx It's what we did.
 
user1804599
@Ven terrible.
 
8:47 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nothing. Sorry.
 
I'm happy.
 
wilx plays other kind of scrabble with his special friend
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Winning with "OXAZEPAM" at triple worth is bound to make you happy
 
8:49 AM
I didn't win.
I did hold EQUINOX in hand with no possibility of putting it on the board.
 
I joked.
True story.
He's Master Of The Orbit,
He Holds The Equinox In His Hand,
Lightning Obeys His Command
 
and racis in obrit
 
I guess lightness went back to oribit
and decided to stay there
 
@AndyProwl :D
Where is LRiO anyway? Did he get banned or something?
 
@wilx He left of his own volition.
 
8:56 AM
He rage-quit for a month or something
He created a new room called Bar<C++>
 
@chmod711telkitty :3
@AndyProwl Oh, I see.
 
@wilx Well, FWIW other things happened after Scrabble, but I'd rather keep those private.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes come on, open it to friends.
 
@FlorianMargaine Let's not violate encapsulation shall we
 
this lounge is the best place to observe nerds dating behaviour
 
user1804599
9:00 AM
SOC
 
user1804599
FTW
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes \o/
Yesterday, we did not just watch Aliens movie either. :)
@chmod711telkitty Chime in with your stories!
 
lol, nope but I will contribute this :p
 
@chmod711telkitty Ugly.
 
guys, cmake or SCons?
 
9:09 AM
@RomanPlášil CMake.
 
(I have some experience with SCons but not always positive)
 
@RomanPlášil Both suck.
 
I read the SO question and the consensus is that there are alot of build tools and they are all awful
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user1804599
This packaging is awesome.
 
user1804599
9:10 AM
The cap absorbs spilled liquid when you close it.
 
@RomanPlášil Some people here use Ninja and Premake, you may want to check them out.
 
@RomanPlášil Isn't CMake a build system builder while SCons is itself build system? IOW, the same difference between YACC and GCC :)
 
user1804599
@RomanPlášil If you want decent tools, don't use C++.
 
Hmm, probably not the best analogy, but you get the drift, right?
 
@RomanPlášil The premise of CMake is good IMO; the execution terrible.
 
9:12 AM
I know how CMake works. And it seems many projects use it
 
I use CMake
 
everybody loves CMake
 
I would probably use CMake even knowing the suckage because it's more common so more people in your team will know it or be willing to learn, and it will be easier to find pre-made components or support
 
Ven
@MarcoA. no
 
Is there really no alternative though?
 
Ell
9:15 AM
@FlorianMargaine plus the entirety of anyone who has internet? :P
 
lol cmake
 
lucbs is better
 
lucbs?
 
> Rust commits to 6-week release cycle (opensource.com)
boy I was worried
thanks /r/programming
 
@Mr.kbok Luc Build System, works quite well with lucpm, the famous package manager.
 
9:17 AM
lucpm?
 
Luc Package Manager do you live under a rock
 
I never heard of those
 
Literally Unstoppable C++ Package Manager m8
 
Luc is like, literally a god
 
Yes. It's very warm and comfortable.
It keeps me from rain and the sight of wolves.
Also the rent is cheap
 
9:18 AM
@Mr.kbok It has topped lucnews for some time now.
 
Ell
it's not a thing
 
google is apparently also living under a rock bcause I can't find lucpm
 
@RomanPlášil lol you must be new here in the internet
 
that said, I hadn't heard about luc in a while
 
9:20 AM
I don't get it
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly wtf language is that? :P
 
C++ (sung version).
 
Ell
it's entertaining
reddit is so bad
 
@Ell It's Swedish.
 
user1804599
9:22 AM
No, it's Danish.
 
Ell
what does gullig mean?
 
I think I just wasted 3 days on something stupid
 
Ven
gratz
@Ell it means you're gullible to believe it's a word
 
OK I definitely did. oops
 
@Ell Google says "cute".
 
Ell
9:25 AM
or darling or sweet
cool
 
@Mr.kbok Story time!
 
I am a professional 4chan troll AMA
 
@Rapptz Well yes do you think we do it for free?
I am a Certified 4chan Professional Troll with over 300 confirmed rages
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Ell
@Rapptz lol
he got an email to be interviewed by cnn last time I checked
 
Ven
9:29 AM
@Rapptz they're arguing that she won a male competition when she's "always seen herself as female". lol.
 
In 1934, the breakfast cereal Wheaties began the practice of including pictures of athletes on its packaging to coincide with its slogan, "The Breakfast of Champions." In its original form, athletes were depicted on the sides or back of the cereal box, though in 1958 Wheaties began placing the pictures on the front of the box. The tradition has included hundreds of athletes from many different sports, and also team depictions. This article lists the athletes or teams depicted on Wheaties boxes, along with the year(s) of depiction and sport played. This list is not all-inclusive, and athletes may...
 
@buttifulbuttefly A colleague of mine somehow reordered the way dividends were simulated, which caused some numerical noise that had a non-negligible impact on the regulatory batches, so I thought it would be nice if I could keep the feature while having the old order, to suppress the noise. So I picked up a single deal and wrestled with it for hours to make it fall back to the old value. Turns out the change of value is not due to dividends.
 
Ell
that song is so mesmerising
 
So now I have two bugs and lost 3 days.
 
Well played
 
9:39 AM
Thanks. Still wanna hire me?
 
Yeah, I still think you're vastly more competent than me
 
you are competent troll
 
I'm not sure where you get that from, but I won't complain
 
hm
I can't find the page about Luc
 
9:43 AM
lol
 
oh
 
so, Luc is something like an unicorn?
 
llucible
 
Interesting ... I wonder what the C++ skill vs pay diagram for the Lounge would look like
 
Ven
something boring
 
9:46 AM
@chmod711telkitty you mean trolling skills?
 
huhu
just learned a bit about 4chan's 300M
 
> how to limited input number limit to 100
 
cocorico
 
Tags: javascript html unicode
 
@chmod711telkitty when you're done reaching a consensus about a useful skill metric, I'll be happy to supply my income figures from 1998 onwards
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Teach a man how to cargo cult and he'll have a job for a lifetime:
function validateNum(num) {
    if (isNaN(num) || !(num === 100)) {
        throw { name: 'BadNum', message: 'Not the right number in html, unicode or javascript' };
    }
}
 
Ell
@Jefffrey there is no reason to feel dirty
 
Ven
@sehe ENOTENOUGHJQUERY
 
@fredoverflow what's that stupid shit doing on half the screen?
 
I guess it's supposed to be beautiful? :)
 
Ven
10:04 AM
@thecoshman displaying his name?
 
Ok, this might sound a bit crazy, but I am seriously thinking of walking 20km into the complete wildness this long weekend after driving 300km out of the city & hike into this cave while the bushwalking group will be at because I can't depart tomorrow with the rest of them. Make it sounds even worse, I have just recovered from a mild cold
 
@fredoverflow vOv should I write an essay about the steaming pile of shite that is sites that use most of my screen for some crappy image and a name?
 
Sure, if it grinds your gears that much...
 
@fredoverflow I'm grumpy
 
@Ven cargo-culting jQuery is too complex for me
 
10:07 AM
one of the organizers was like 'this will be the real wildness & people have disappeared before and it will be cold, you should not be walking alone, blah blah blah'
 
user1804599
jQuery is a horrible global state fest.
 
@chmod711telkitty you have found yourself an exciting friend group
 
> But, when you implement an “abstract” Java class you must implement the same number of functions including the abstract functions just to get it work.
 
@rightfold Global state fest sounds like a wordwide hippie gathering.
 
no... you only have to implement the methods that are not provided in the base class...
 
10:08 AM
Haha, what an idiot :)
 
if an abstract class has not abstract methods, you don't have to implement any methods...
or have I missed his point there?
 
> I have no intention of supporting this: the undeniable truth is that, if executing nothing is too costly in your environment, executing something at all would be prohibitive, and render any attempt at writing any code absolutely worthless.
Robor rigor.
 
I think some how I am thrilled by the possible danger
 
:)
@chmod711telkitty You think. Well, progress
 
@chmod711telkitty That's why we love C++. You can get UB any moment...
 
10:09 AM
@fredoverflow No. You either have it or you don't. But you may notice it any moment
 
I like how you think getting a crash can be compared with getting lost & killed
 
You wanna get lost and killed? Why?
 
you want UB at any moment, why?
 
You're feeding right into this! Hehe. You can joke, she can be alarmist about the real danger.
 
@chmod711telkitty More like committing suicide by not being smart enough to act properly in the wilderness?
 
10:11 AM
@sehe it's like quantum stuff
 
Yes!
 
user1804599
@thecoshman abstract non-final classes without abstract members are stupid.
 
user1804599
You can pretty much instantiate them by creating anonymous inner subclasses of them.
 
abstract final classes... hmmm
 
@rightfold Why would you have non-non-final abstract classes? :)
 
user1804599
10:13 AM
@fredoverflow sealed is observed as final outside the file.
 
mixing java and clr are we
 
There is another group going on Sunday morning, which I hope to be a part of, but they are not responding so far ...
 
user1804599
Scala.
 
user1804599
.NET sealed is just final.
 
@chmod711telkitty They're already lost and killed. They're way ahead of the game
 
10:14 AM
it has been like 18 hours since I sent them a message
 
@rightfold no... I think an abstract class that has no abstract methods is ok... there might be methods that you you are expected to provide custom implementations to, but could just leave them all as the default.
 
user1804599
If you have a class with more than one method you might want to reevaluate your design anyway, so the only abstract class you need is Function<I, O>.
 
Though I grant you, probably better to have an interface and a 'defaultImpl'
 
> Search_keywords: breakpoint breakpts breakadd breaklist breakdel break vim WinManager visual list Hari Krishna Dara
vim script last updated in 2008
 
@sehe time machine yourself into the future to get yourself killed, what a wonderful idea!
 
10:15 AM
There are cheaper ways. Also, conserve energy
 
@rightfold Oh sure, Function helps a lot, but if you are stuck with 7 it can be a PITA to get the equivalent functionality.
 
I am thinking of bringing the solar charger, just in case ...
 
@chmod711telkitty Famous last words?
 
No leaving yet, you have to wait another 48 hours ...
 
Ven
@sehe it's easy because jQuery is a monad
 
10:18 AM
@fredoverflow So won't the real C++ please stand UB, please stand UB.
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I suck
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@buttifulbuttefly oooh, I see what you did there
 
@thecoshman Who or what has the pleasure?
 
@wilx any that pays enough.
 
:)
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Scala works fine on JDK 7.
 
user1804599
10:25 AM
@Ven where's >>= and return?
 
@rightfold AFIAK it's not an option... but I've never really looked into it.
 
I am charging my old phone with the solar charge & it's still working!
 
@fredoverflow I doubt they would fork would they, and have a branch of Scala for scrubs stuck on J7
 
Well, you could continue using Scala 2.11, I guess...
> Continue Java 6 support for a while longer (only in Scala 2.11)
 
Ven
10:30 AM
@fredoverflow good
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow nice.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman don't invent defaults needlessly.
 
@rightfold ofc
 
user1804599
Interfaces must be as small and focused as possibly possible.
 
user1804599
Don't add more than the absolute minimum needed.
 
user1804599
10:36 AM
And don't be afraid to make more interfaces.
 
@rightfold But don't make interfaces with 0 methods, please.
 
Ell
10:49 AM
I might start writing gdb printers instead of to_string and the like
 

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