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12:12 AM
@sehe Does 'Seun' look funny to you too?
 
12:23 AM
Windows 10!
 
^ that looks like windows 101
 
Morning guys.
 
@VermillionAzure Have you considered Docker ?
 
@DeanSeo interesting
@chmod711telkitty No, that's Windows 3628800
So much bloat their number increases worse than exponential time
Yes i am implying Cortana is fat
 
12:32 AM
is cortana like siri or is it the whole desktop environment thingy?
 
@Blob do you even
 
@VermillionAzure no, i dont use windows
 
Cortana is nice :(
 
nor do i care for windows 10
 
everyone
it is a revolution
 
12:33 AM
@Marc-AntoineJacob care to explain what exactly it is?
 
that's a shame
 
@Blob Cortana is supposed to be some virtual assistant. Comparable to Siri.
 
It's free, cool, nice, will kick the ass of other OS, it's MS
 
Wonderful. Because Windows is supported because of Cortana
 
12:34 AM
@Marc-AntoineJacob free? only $5000 to buy a copy of windows
 
no, COMA free Windows 10
 
Yup.
 
and a copy of Windows 8.1 cost 80$
 
I don't believe in Windows anymore
except that people need a lot of the applications on it for legacy
For example: I know a few firms use a technology that exists only on Windows
Doesn't work on Wine.
AutoCAD is the name
 
what can cortana do that my shell can't?
 
12:36 AM
@Blob Whine about Siri.
 
@VermillionAzure echo 'fuck siri :C'
 
@Blob ugh
complaining is not as intense as whining
 
Siri VS Cortana. Who will win?
 
@Marc-AntoineJacob Google Now
apparently
ggplot(virtual_assistants, aes(how_many_ducks_i_give, fill=nopes)) + geom_histogram()
result?
 
@VermillionAzure throw FunnyzNotFoundException();
 
12:41 AM
:'-(
 
13 messages moved to bin
Next time post a link.
 
sorry
you also deleted my sadness!
everyone can have emotions :(
 
@Borgleader anyways I'm learning R right now
 
@Marc-AntoineJacob Your sad face is still here.
 
Fortunately I have you binned anyway
 
12:45 AM
R is pretty
oh i can't post photos
not enough rep
 
any value in learning R, or is it just a fun thing to do.. like learning chinese?
 
@Woodrow It's for an internship
Something about genome sequencing data analysis or something
 
I hate R as a language, but I enjoy R for it's vast statistical library, and actually giving references to papers and publications on where the routine came from, or where it is used.
 
I don't know exactly that I'll be doing but it sounds like she wants me to write tools
@Nican R's okay. It's not a "real" programming language but it doesn't have to be.
@Woodrow Also, you can probably make really nice graphs really easily with R
A BUNCH of people use it
 
Cool! Is that the same as bioinformatics?
 
12:57 AM
@Woodrow Sorry what?
 
Bioinformatics /ˌbaɪ.oʊˌɪnfərˈmætɪks/ is an interdisciplinary field that develops methods and software tools for understanding biological data. As an interdisciplinary field of science, bioinformatics combines computer science, statistics, mathematics, and engineering to study and process biological data. Bioinformatics is both an umbrella term for the body of biological studies that use computer programming as part of their methodology, as well as a reference to specific analysis "pipelines" that are repeatedly used, particularly in the fields of genetics and genomics. Common uses of bioinformatics...
 
@Woodrow Bioinformatics does analysis; yes.
 
I meant for your internship
 
@Woodrow ...yes
 
Nice; are you just going into it with programming knowledge? Or biology too?
 
12:58 AM
hello
Can anyone tell me what it's called when I have a variable like size and then I can call like size.x or size.y to get the values?
 
@Woodrow ...I'm an electrical engineering major
@Aequitas member variables?
 
lol good luck with it.
 
@Woodrow Right.
All I have to do is basically learn R and then maybe another language for scripting
ezpz if i can manage it
 
@VermillionAzure I think so thanks,
 
you mean like an object?
 
1:01 AM
@Aequitas okay...
 
@Veritas nice name haha
 
@Aequitas when you use BLAHBLAH.variable, that's referred to as member access.
where BLAHBLAH is an object or even possibly a namespace if you want to stretch the definition a bit
and variable is a function, variable, or another object owned by the object or namespace
 
okay
i thought it might've been like a named array thing
 
@Aequitas "named array"
 
I just wanted to make it neater like
 
1:03 AM
There is no such thing as "named array" in C++
 
size{x,y} = {100,200}
size.x returns 100
size.y returns 200
 
Arrays are pretty specific in their definition; they are sequences of data in continuous memory
 
yeh I just made up a name lol
 
@Aequitas Are you new to C++?
 
i meant something to that effect
well I do java
and i just realized that this is C++ haha
 
1:05 AM
@Aequitas That doesn't mean too much when you get to C++
Java doesn't have raw memory management or the weird thing that is template metaprogramming
(I think)
But you should come and join us!
(and meet Bartek at least)
 
I just came here coz it was the most active lol :p
who's bartek
4
 
@Aequitas just....
 
@Aequitas You might want to read the newbie hints.
 
wow
nail on da head
haha
sorry :(
 
@Aequitas lol
 
1:09 AM
no mention of bartek in there tho
 
If anything, I've learned more here than anywhere else
There are some really smart and exceptional people here.
god knows they know me because I annoy them but they have taught me a lot and they're willing to help if you keep trying
If you're a young hopeful like me, there's a lot you can learn here
 
Shut up chinch :P
 
@Jefffrey So am I Vermie or Azure now?
 
To me you are Cinch
 
1 message moved to bin
Strangely, we already know what's in the rules we posted.
 
1:20 AM
@LucDanton not for Afrikaans. But yeah, it's funny "Dutch"
 
@Jefffrey Welp I'm probably not going to use that account agian
 
1:34 AM
I am very busy nowadays, but I don't seem to produce a lot of useful things, I feel slightly depressed & useless.
 
@chmod711telkitty what do you work as?
 
Err is he really Cinch?
 
I feel like I should maybe keep a suggestion to read the newbie hints in my clipboard.
 
@Nooble ................................................................................‌​.............................................................................
 
@VermillionAzure I'll take that as "You're so late"
Anyway, why'd you leave that account?
 
1:43 AM
@Nooble I was question banned for eternity despite gaining about 400 rep and answering like 20 questions, and trying to revise my old ones
I think I was question banned for about 3 or 4 months
yeah
 
@VermillionAzure :(
 
So I asked a new question, Instant 25 rep.
 
Now I no longer have the lowest rep :(
 
@Nooble Anyways at least you can call me Vermin now
Much better insult, I think.
 
Heh.
 
1:44 AM
@Nooble If I even remotely count, you can feel superior to me, instead.
 
@jaggedSpire We all count.
 
@Nooble You have warmed the cockles of my heart.
 
:)
 
A cockle is a small, edible, saltwater clam, a mollusc in the family Cardiidae. Various species of cockles live in sandy, sheltered beaches throughout the world. The distinctive rounded shells of cockles are bilaterally symmetrical, and are heart-shaped when viewed from the end. Numerous radial evenly-spaced ribs occur in most but not all genera (for an exception, see the genus Laevicardium, the egg cockles, which have very smooth shells). Cockle shells are able to close completely (i.e., they do not have a "gape" at any point around their edges). Though they may superficially resemble scallops...
what
 
Actually that was a lie, I'm made entirely of clams.
 
1:51 AM
@jaggedSpire ohhhh you must be either irish or from the UK
or just weird?
#rayceestandcountreeist
 
@VermillionAzure Just terminally weird, I'm afraid.
 
@jaggedSpire maybe you'd say consolelly weird?
 
@VermillionAzure That was terrible. I approve.
 
@jaggedSpire You mean geoble?
Because I think my jokes are dirt too.
I don't belong on this earth.
 
@VermillionAzure Head, meet desk. Desk, head. I think you'll get along quite well.
Splendidly, in fact.
 
1:53 AM
@jaggedSpire I was going to make a shaft joke but not going there.
 
@VermillionAzure I think you might still be able to crank the pun engine a few more times.
 
@jaggedSpire I'm having too much pun for this right now.
 
@VermillionAzure A tragedy, really. Your wit deserves a sharper whetstone.
As I am all out of puns.
 
@jaggedSpire Maybe because my jokes are so corny?
Do you need a hug? Because it's going to get unbearable.
 
@VermillionAzure Veritable vegetables.
@VermillionAzure Maybe you'll have to sweeten the deal. More flies with honey...
 
1:57 AM
@jaggedSpire Oh, bother.
 
@VermillionAzure I'd go with Pooh, myself.
 
@jaggedSpire y'know if you think about it the guy named the kid's bear a synonym for "feces" which can make you wonder
 
@VermillionAzure He's gonna have a complex when he gets older.
That kid.
 
@jaggedSpire Maybe the problem's just going to be imaginary.
Or maybe it'll be all too real.
 
...good job.
 
1:59 AM
@jaggedSpire Work is never good. It's work.
The work goes on.
my god my humor is so dry
 
They'll just have to multiply it by either i or i^3 to get negative problems, so they'll be solved. This is naturally dependent on whether the imaginary problems were negative in the first place.
 
@jaggedSpire Ahem? Did you say... quarternions?
Sorry, i jk.
 
@VermillionAzure I don't know. Did you say something about i, j and k ?
 
@jaggedSpire Maybe we should re-orientate ourselves and start rotating around the real things we need to talk about: modeling.
if we start with a Vulkan-o and add a bit of GLEW we'll have a perfect science project.
 
@VermillionAzure At least we don't have to deal with gimbal lock now.
 
2:03 AM
@jaggedSpire U'V got to be kidding me
 
Texture? I hardly knew 'er!
 
I might have to reparameterize these jokes to better planes.
Send all of us to the 'poles of the big 'ol sphere.
 
@VermillionAzure So long as the projection's all right.
Otherwise I might have to take up ejecting
 
@jaggedSpire Well, we gotta make sure that as we change, our formulas match right up.
right down to the smallest bit, by bit.
And then over time, we'll see the sum of our movements.
 
@VermillionAzure ...I'm sorry. I got nothin'
 
2:06 AM
@jaggedSpire derivatives + integrals.
Gotta keep giving your mind over to the infinitesimal to stay in this game.
 
But will I show a symptom? Any at all?
 
@jaggedSpire ???
okay i'm lost
 
asymptotically
 
@jaggedSpire oh that's clever.
 
eh.
I'd say it's more of a stretch
 
2:09 AM
we should stop running into vertical concepts. we might go into undefined territory.
 
And I won't quite know what to do when I only have non-numbers.
 
btw how do you pronounce vi, "veye" or "vee-eye"?
 
depends on the context.
 
But mostly, I pronounce it "four"
 
2:11 AM
it's "vee eye"
 
Or six, when I'm not a moron.
 
@jaggedSpire meh who cares
personally I like "veye" because it rolls off the tongue
like, "veye" and "veh-m" is like a pair
 
@VermillionAzure I do, deeply. It hurts right down by my heart when I get ancient numeric systems wrong.
By my cockles.
 
@jaggedSpire okay, love.
 
@VermillionAzure I think it might be bad for their shells, honestly.
 
2:13 AM
@jaggedSpire meh I'm bored of the pun chain
 
@VermillionAzure I as well.
as much fun as the computer graphics related part was.
 
@jaggedSpire k
@jaggedSpire So what year are you?
 
@VermillionAzure 2014. :P
 
Or... are you not in univ?
 
Graduated with an EE/CSE dual last year.
 
2:15 AM
@jaggedSpire Ahhh, I see.
So you must've gone to a UC?
O rno?
 
I believe it's an institute.
 
@jaggedSpire Did you go to Cali or was it like GIT or OIT?
 
@VermillionAzure RPI
And it looks like it's a Uni
 
@jaggedSpire interesting
 
That I didn't know whether it was a University or a College?
 
2:18 AM
@jaggedSpire no, sounds prestigious
 
Or that I actually gave out personal information on the internet?
 
I go to a mediocre state univ. It's the 50th state.
 
Awh.
 
@jaggedSpire I'm actually just an undergrad lol
 
Don't worry, you've got an internship!
 
2:20 AM
@jaggedSpire that's what I'm counting on
 
@VermillionAzure nods
 
@jaggedSpire yeah but there isn't much opportunity here on the islands
I want to go to the continental US eventually, preferably next summer
 
@VermillionAzure I'm assuming Hawaiian and not Aleutian?
 
@jaggedSpire lol "Hawaiian"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wanna make tons of rep ?
 
2:24 AM
yes I'm from Hawaii
 
@VermillionAzure Well I'd suggest places but I'm blatantly biased and haven't lived many places.
And I suspect you mostly care about the being on the continent part and not so much the details?
 
@jaggedSpire same here
@jaggedSpire It's more about the opportunity
Like, Hawaii is, like... tech-dead in some areas
 
@VermillionAzure I have heard some mentions of job availability in HI, or the lack thereof.
 
@jaggedSpire We have a very small tech community. They're there, but I think I know some of the people that are not defense.
We do have a boot camp, though
 
@VermillionAzure That's good. Are there companies that also operate on the continent?
Am I rehashing things you've already thought of?
 
2:29 AM
@jaggedSpire (funny enough we usually call it the "mainland")
No, we don't have any really good companies\
I hear we have Boeing.
I don't want to intern for Boeing, really.
I heard that it was dull work and not very educational
And since I'm not going the defense route (Snowden alert!) I'm not very interested in that kind of stuff
 
That sounds like no fun.
What parts of EE interest you most, so far?
 
@jaggedSpire idk, really, but I was going to be Comp Eng., not EE.
It's actually a separate degree now but they're awaiting their accreditation
So I'll probably end up with signals or something
 
You could see about control systems, robotics, or image processing applications.
 
@jaggedSpire Meh. I don't care too much about this kind of stuff but it seems interesting
Honestly I see myself in some sort of software position or something
Heck maybe I'll just go join Riot or something
 
nods
 
2:34 AM
@jaggedSpire So you do C++?
 
If you're a big research university, you could ask a professor doing something in the field if they want someone to try optimizing their code.
 
@jaggedSpire hahahahaha
you're assuming I'm good enough to even do that
My programming isn't that good, so to say I think
 
@VermillionAzure The game company?
 
You'd have a basic understanding (At that point) of the subject so you'd know what to google for clarification, you'd have the software aspect, and you'd be ale to see how much it really interests you.
 
@Nooble who else?
@jaggedSpire well technically I'm in two programming positions right now
so meh.
 
2:36 AM
Professors aren't usually focused on efficient code, they're more focused on making something that works/implementing algorithms. At any rate, you might be able to sell making it more readable.
 
@jaggedSpire Right, lol
 
Riot is a 2014 comedy television series from Fox Broadcasting Company and based upon the Australian Slide Show television series, itself based upon the Arthur-created French program Vendredi tout est permis ("On Fridays, Anything Goes with Arthur", aka Anything Goes), where two teams of celebrities competed in a number of challenges and games, including one on a huge set that tilts at 22½ degrees. Hosted by Rove McManus, weekly episode "guest" captains include a rotating set of actors, with Andy Buckley and Steve Carell "captaining" the premiere episode. Riot was canceled by Fox on June 12, 2014...
 
@Nooble Woo. Celebrities. Yay.
 
Agh I don't want to deal with CMake.
 
Meanwhile Riot Games has the most popular video game on the planet and maybe generates millions
 
2:37 AM
Any one where who is too much good in c++?
 
@Nooble Cmake is good!
 
Any one here?
 
@VermillionAzure Yeah, I agree.
 
@MuhammadRaza Just ask.
 
But but but.
I don't know how to script CMakeLists.
 
2:38 AM
@Nooble I had a question about this kinds of stuff too.
I had to do this for Flexiglass as well.
 
Which function i am going to send. That one work but not proper. I click every where on windows from it will be move but i just want to click on one specific think. For example just ok button.
BOOL CHtmlDlgTestDlg::PreTranslateMessage(MSG* pMsg)
{
//The code starts here
static bool mouse_down = false;
static CRect MainRect;
static HCURSOR cursor; // use this if you want the
// “dragging” cursor different from the normal one
static CPoint point;
switch (pMsg->message)
{
case WM_LBUTTONDOWN:
//save current dialog’s rectangle
GetWindowRect(&MainRect);
//save current cursor coordinate
point = pMsg->pt;
ScreenToClient(&point);

//change the sign
mouse_down = true;
cursor = ::AfxGetApp()->LoadCursor(IDC_HAND);
 
And it doesn't look like I'll be able to compile GLFW without CMake, so I feel like I should just use the cmake command on my Makefile :P.
 
It'll be cross-platform enough.
 
@Nooble Just take a look at the CMake file on that.
 
2:39 AM
Ohk.
 
It's pretty small so it should be pretty simple to analyze
 
Wow.
Thanks :)
 
@VermillionAzure I learned it in school, and used it for school projects in programming. I now use it professionally while attempting to get better as quickly as possible. I may have been hired for my signal processing background, but it is a programming position I possess.
 
@jaggedSpire For what?
Networking?
 
Speech processing.
 
2:40 AM
@jaggedSpire That's excellent!
 
I know!
 
How do I get CMake to compile my dependencies for me? Since they already have CMakeLists.
 
@jaggedSpire Now all you have to do is create Hawtsoonay Meekoo for the US. Spelt like a true US-person would.
@Nooble aaaand they have a question for that I think
 
And I've had to teach myself all sorts of pattern recognition stuff to go with, but that's great too since I wanted to learn more about it in school!
 
@jaggedSpire I think I'll try getting into Vulkan eventually
I do want to create a video game sometime in my life I guess
 
2:42 AM
@VermillionAzure Link please.
 
@VermillionAzure Oh! you could try getting into distributed network programming, as well.
 
@VermillionAzure Me too.
 
@jaggedSpire ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i didn't really read it but it sounds like it
 
@VermillionAzure :P Sorry. Enthusiasm for signal processing + programming combinations.
 
@jaggedSpire Hm. Yeah I guess.
 
2:45 AM
Though it would really be more control system based, as much as that's a different field.
 
@jaggedSpire I wonder if it would be possible to inject packets using signal processing or something like that
 
@VermillionAzure Found it.
 
@Nooble k good
 
I just use the include command.
 
You mean finding optimal packet transmission timing for nodes in distributed networks using signal processing?
:D
 
2:47 AM
@jaggedSpire ...maybe?
idk really
 
I ask question in stackoverflow. Please help to find solution?
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Q: Move Window in mfc c++ without titlebar?

Muhammad RazaI am using this code to move window. But this code not work well. When i click any where on windows from it will move but i just want to move windows form. When i click on specific think. For example picture. I am using MFC C++ HtmlDialog. Anyone know how to do that? DHTML_EVENT_ONCLICK(_T("imag...

 
AHHHH Visual Studio.
cowers into corner
 
@VermillionAzure Timing packets in distributed networks is a problem, because you want to use as little energy as possible, and transmitting data takes huge amounts of energy, but you don't always know the layout of the network to figure out which nodes can transmit at the same time without causing interference in one another's transmissions, and it might change so making a map isn't always feasible.
And you typically want to use minimal resources as well, and you typically have very limited equipment available on each node, so transmitting with each node at a different frequency would also not be feasible.
Also, listening for transmissions takes energy as well, so that's a problem too.
 
@jaggedSpire Timing?
What?
There's timing involved with millions of concurrent connections?
flying this way and that way
 
Crazy, right?
I'm mostly talking about low level sensor networks with necessarily low energy requirements and low energy costs.
Because then you can't just throw money/resources at the problem
*manufacture
 
2:55 AM
Vulkan would be great if the majority of the market would support it.
 
@Nooble Supposedly the majority does support it I guess
 
I'm mostly talking about mostly that schenario because it's what the prof who taught Distributed Sensor Networks at my uni thought about.
 
@jaggedSpire "sensor networks" wat
 
I don't understand anything about this
 
2:55 AM
Look up distributed sensor networks!
 
Don't you just, y'know, send stuff at a frequency and it gets to one place
 
Not if two things are transmitting at the same frequency at the same time in the same general area!
 
@jaggedSpire That's true.
 
It causes enough interference that the s/n ratio dies an ugly death, and both packets need to be resent.
 
@jaggedSpire Interesting
So they need to time packets so that this doesn't happen?
 
2:57 AM
Yep! there are multiple ways to do this, too.
 
@jaggedSpire Seems interesting
 
One of them is named the ALOHA protocol. (Sorry, couldn't resist mentioning it)
 
@jaggedSpire yeah I learnt about this
 
> Will work on any platform that supports OpenGL ES 3.1 and up.
 
I didn't even know
@Nooble That's like a majority of new things, I think
 
2:59 AM
There are multiple improvements to it, as with everything first thought of more than five years ago, and those improvements are actually improvements, which isn't always the case.
 
@jaggedSpire Whatever this means.
 
But anyway. DSN might also be something to look into.
 
It's too bad we cannot duplicate packets and then combine them together.
 
@VermillionAzure Cannot english today I have the illiterates
 

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