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2:00 PM
I wonder if recompiling with -Zm128 will help
 
Likely not. I base this on the echo of a robotic laughter
 
> (Specify Precompiled Header Memory Allocation Limit)
couldn't these limits be raised dynamically
 
@milleniumbug Yes, it should
 
in a use all the resources you can fashion
 
Ven
@rightfold ...can't I really have more than one function in one file in cobol?
 
2:02 PM
IME -Zm errors are quite innocuous
 
do all compilers have these manually changeable limits
like if I upgrade to 32GB RAM will I have to change them for the compilers to go outside the limits
 
gcc has one for template depth
But that's different really
Hmmm, seems to be working
 
user1804599
@Ven I believe you can do something with END-PROGRAM but I am not sure.
 
disaster avoided (for now)
 
2:05 PM
how hard is it to start a processor business
it's been AMD and Intel for ages now
crazy
 
user1804599
@AlexM. Intel/10
 
What ever happened to Cyrix?
 
@milleniumbug Famous last words.
 
@AlexM. NP hard
 
NP = no problemo
 
Ven
2:07 PM
@rightfold ugh... well thanks anyway
 
user1804599
Do you win a prize if you can prove that P=NP can't be proved and that P<>NP can't be proved either?
 
@fredoverflow that quite elegantly proves that P != NP
 
@rightfold I think so, yes
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl 1
 
Natural numbers
 
2:08 PM
Does VIsual C++ CLR project have access to System.Numeric Biginteger (as in C#)
 
user1804599
No.
 
System.Numeric.CantFitInteger
 
System.Anus.CantFit
 
is that a no?
 
@erotavlas Yes, everything in .NET is available
 
2:10 PM
Nice to meet you, my name is Num. Eric Num.
2
 
Wow... that's...
 
user1804599
@Ven why ugh?
 
@Mr.kbok ok thanks.
 
user1804599
 
Ven
@rightfold because it really looks ugly
 
user1804599
2:12 PM
XD
 
user1804599
Then don't use COBOL. :P
 
Ven
@rightfold if I went there, I'd need to dedup myself a buncha times
(3, to be precise)
 
@rightfold Yes, probably.
 
user1804599
dat candle carrot picture though
 
Ven
Chandler \w/
@rightfold where is that even
 
user1804599
2:14 PM
I should change my irc.oftc.net nickname to candlecarrot. The only channel I'm in on that server is #llvm.
 
600 Euros, NOPE
 
Ven
@TonyTheLion damn :[
won't somebody think of the students.
 
user1804599
no
 
user1804599
students are noobs and noobs suck
 
@Ven There's a student price but you have to ask him directly
 
2:23 PM
way too much, I agree with Tony
 
Also it should be your employer paying
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok it's in berlin anyway. the train from france to berlin would probably cost too much for me to afford
 
@Mr.kbok keep on dreaming
 
@MarcoA. Well, they do pay my ticket.
 
keep on leave me dreaming
 
2:24 PM
@Ven Actually the plane/train is super cheap compared to the ticket price :)
I think it was like 120 EUR back and forth
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok as someone with no revenue, that + hotel + food there is too much
 
600 eur for what
 
@Ven German railways are expensive. You'd better off with a flight.
 
I can't spot the context
 
13 mins ago, by rightfold
anyone going here? http://meetingcpp.com/index.php/schedule15.html
 
2:25 PM
@Ven As a student you should probably attend C++ events in your city.
 
@AlexM. meetingcpp conference in Berlin
 
oooh
 
Ven
@MarcoA. they usually include a 24hrs delay, tho
maybe not in berlin.
 
@Ven I'm from Italy. Tell me about it.
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok sure! that's only the first step
 
2:27 PM
When you get a job, then you can start racketing your boss for conference tickets :)
 
Ven
several years down the line, though.
it's not like a rookie would get sponsored for that :)
was lucky enough to be "invited" to a perl conf in austria...
 
Maybe there's a C++ user group in your city if it's big enough
Also most Microsoft events are free to attend
Engineering schools do free conferences too because that gives them good publicity
 
user1804599
Should I use 300 Multiple Choices for a search form when there are multiple search results?
 
300 check boxes
that is the right approach
 
Ven
^
@Mr.kbok I'm lucky enough to be in paris
 
user1804599
2:32 PM
When there's only one result it'll automatically follow it.
 
@Ven Actually, this is closest I can get: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/988b911bae33f0eb /cc @rightfold
Problem is copy() takes a lvalue& for destination. We need reference proxies again (or just an overload that trusts the programmer)
 
Ven
@rightfold is ldloc/stloc+SSAF really viable in a VM?
 
so many french
 
Ven
@FlorianMargaine hon hon
 
user1804599
@Ven what's that?
 
user1804599
2:34 PM
@sehe meh
 
Ven
@rightfold load local, store local
 
user1804599
What's SSAF?
 
Ven
single static assignment form
 
user1804599
Java and CLR load-local and store-local instructions.
 
Ven
i know
 
user1804599
2:35 PM
The only VM I know of that uses SSA for its bytecode is BEAM.
 
Ven
mmh.
ruby's vm is a double-stack vm
 
user1804599
Most are stack-based since that's easier to implement and generate code for.
 
user1804599
With local slots for mutable local variables.
 
user1804599
So, kind of a hybrid.
 
@AlexM. That's ageism right there.
 
user1804599
2:38 PM
I have no experience with implementing SSA interpreters.
 
@Ven Like a double expansion steam engine! More efficiency!
 
user1804599
Translating SSA to LLVM IR should be trivial, though, and LLVM IR supports loading, storing and stack allocation.
 
Someone know how to debug that prntscr.com/7d1r8x
 
user1804599
I really don't see a problem with loading and storing in SSA code.
 
user1804599
They're no different side-effects than calls to printf.
 
Ven
2:40 PM
@CosminIovan compiler -g flag?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't that homological?
 
@Ven Yes, i have -g . Maybe -g3 help
?
 
@EtiennedeMartel You mean autological?
No.
Yes, it is a long word, but it does not mean "long word"
 
Ven
@CosminIovan just -g should be enough for debug symbols
 
It is a strange loop, just not of the autological kind.
 
2:42 PM
Hm
 
@van Here is with bt full, he says no debug symbols prntscr.com/7d1sc5
;))
 
Then who lies in 1901?
 
@milleniumbug haha.
That's a Diplomacy thing.
 
@Ven Here is my flags: -g -Wall -O2 -m32 -pipe -fexceptions -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNDEBUG
 
The first game turn is in 1901.
Since it's the start of the game, there are no alliances or commitments to hold on to, and you have not seen how trustworthy any of the players are.
So clearly no one will lie in 1901.
 
2:45 PM
You seem to enjoy Diplomacy quite a bit.
 
maybe -ggdb flags help ? :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's the best game.
 
Such hyperbole
 
I see
 
Before that I had "[...] implying they won't move to the English Channel"
Which harps on the same idea that no one can be trusted, but in a specific case.
 
2:49 PM
No idea why I thought about laying and not about lying.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even merely reading Diplomacy transcripts from public press games is fun.
 
I'm becoming crazy
I just wanna debug my features, but I'm here with a melting pot of commits that break the program
I'm chasing segfault after segfault, plz kill me :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel Also, how can it not be the best game if there's 2012 World Cup game still being played?
 
cheapskates and resistance to change
 
user562566
@EtiennedeMartel your abuse of hyperbole is hyperbolic
 
2:59 PM
@TechnikEmpire I really believe there is this phenomenon called "hyperbole creep"
Where language gets more and more extreme as time goes by
The word “awesome" once described things like Moon landings & cures for disease. Today, it’s an unexpected feature in an App.
Like this, for instance.
 
user562566
oh, yeah agree
 
user562566
but it's awesome
 
I have friends who use the word "perfect" to describe things which are merely great.
Where do you go from there?
Super perfect? Extra perfect? Petaperfect?
 
user562566
no you just adjust interpretation of the speech within the context
 
ITT Etienne learns how to cope with English.
 
3:02 PM
@TechnikEmpire oooh someone sane.
 
user562566
obviously when someone posts a picture of hitler cones and I say "that's awesome", I don't mean that's it's awesome or good, I mean it's incredibly bad, the stupidity of it is extreme and is laughable
 
user562566
that's what english is all about, context. it's like, the javascript of the world of spoken language
 
english is like javascript, and we're really smart interpreters
 
There's also the original meaning of awesome
Smth awesome is something inspiring awe
 
@TechnikEmpire No, you're just making it unclear for every other person except yourself.
 
3:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The same issue arises in French.
 
So you have no trouble with it!
 
I think it's because people want to one-up each other with superlatives.
 
user562566
@milleniumbug well that's a matter of opinion because everyone I know and speak to that has English as a first language understands clearly my intent and speaks the same way
 
It's funny. In Portugal it's usually new words popping up, instead of reappropriating existing ones.
 
user562566
@Blob yes.
 
3:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think that's what we should do.
 
I have no idea what teens use these days to mean "awesome".
 
Create new stuff instead of just messing around with the old stuff.
 
I don't think any of this matters at all.
 
Because then we lose subtlety. If everything means "great", then what do you use to describe something that is less or more than that?
 
user562566
yeah but making new words is too much work and we try, look what happens. "Twerk" gets added to the dictionary. So we abuse contextual interpretation instead
 
3:05 PM
Doubleplusgreat?
 
When I was younger it was "fixe", and then there was the made up intensifier "bué", and combined as "bué da fixe".
 
That's doubleplusungood.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No you don't. It's always context.
Subtlety is not always important.
 
man, windows 8 is a bitch. once i booted windows 8, it hid grub and would just boot itself automatically and not let me access linux
 
The meaning of a sentence is more than the sum of the meanings of its words.
 
3:06 PM
uninstalling this crap
 
user562566
@EtiennedeMartel there's no need for that, because if everyone is agreement that the thing that we're describing as great is greater than something else we've used that word for, it's an unspoken mutual agreement and therefore doesn't need to be further qualified
 
user562566
@Blob that'll happen in Win7 too, it's all about how to install
 
user562566
in fact we more often than not use "great" to imply something bad. "Oh, that's great"
 
user562566
no one needs me to say in that conversation "what I really mean is that's bad"
 
3:08 PM
You can usually infer that from body language and tone.
 
@Blob Just drop into the UEFI shell and pick the old one again.
 
Come to think of it, I mostly just have a problem with it in written form.
 
user562566
@EtiennedeMartel yes, English in general crumbles into a pile of shit in this form unless it's written very well
 
It's like those people who shout "I'M CRYING" on Tumblr when they find something funny but in reality they're just mildly snickering.
 
user562566
lol
 
3:09 PM
Or how "lol" just means "a small laugh"
 
Because that's what "lol" means.
 
It means "laugh out loud"
 
That's what "lol" always meant, in fact.
It never meant its expansion.
 
user562566
yes but we usually say it even when we're mildly amused and not actually laughing out loud
 
@EtiennedeMartel It doesn't, and it never did.
 
3:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's an option? already wiped everything and installed linux :|
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fuck off, the only reason people prefer "lol" to, say, "haha", is because it's one fewer letter to type.
 
it just finished
 
Laziness made lol popular
Because it's short and it's laughter related
 
@EtiennedeMartel Just like rotfl never ever meant "rolling on the floor laughing". If it really meant that, no one would ever use it. It only ever meant "that is very very funny".
 
@FlorianMargaine I got number 4 wrong under the assumption that it would break for corner cases like INF, -0.0.
 
user562566
3:12 PM
I use rofl when I'm playing cod and pwning someone, just to be antagonistic
 
user562566
slaughter them, survive an attempt on my life, kill them again, type "rofl"
 
user562566
inflames every time
 
@FlorianMargaine I got 4th and 6th wrong.
wtf gcc y u no optimize if/else chains
 
> Bluetooth Range
Among different bluetooth specifications, there are 2 most popular classes (types) of devices:
Class 1: range up to 100 meters (in most cases 20-30 meters)
Class 2: range up to 30 meters (in most cases 5-10 meters)
that's quite a lot :O
 
3:14 PM
@milleniumbug yeah, 6 was surprising
 
@Blob It's one of the reasons of being of the UEFI shell.
 
Am I the only one who actually spends time writing complete sentences in online competitive multiplayer games?
 
I use microphones in online competitive games
 
user562566
@EtiennedeMartel probably
 
@AlexM. I don't use a mic with strangers
(ironically I use acronyms on the chatroom more often than I do when gaming)
 
user562566
3:16 PM
@AlexM. yes this, but I still don't use complete sentences, I just repeat offensive or trolling language like a broken record
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's why you lose :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually won quite a few times yesterday.
 
@EtiennedeMartel depends on the game
 
I just type fast
 
Hello, World!
 
3:16 PM
k
 
And take pride in the fact that I'm not one of you lazy asses.
 
@FlorianMargaine I thought it was 20-year old (or at least 10) optimization.
 
I'm not lazy...I'm just waiting for my boat to sail in.
 
@EtiennedeMartel mmmm... asses
 
@milleniumbug well, clang does optimize it
 
3:18 PM
@sehe Alright, seems quite straightfoward. Thanks.
 
now nobody wants to add this optimization to gcc because it's too scary to touch gcc's code
 
fuck gcc forever then
I want this optimization because switch statement sucks cocks
 
Also, in other news, I'm doing Extra Life again this year.
 
@LucDanton Crazyness makes awful things straightforward :) Perl exists for these reasons
... way ahead of you there.
I don't play the games
 
@EtiennedeMartel What is that?
 
3:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That 24h gaming marathon for charity.
 
is there a 24h programming marathon for charity?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Got meself a proper timer, and did 48.145.
 
Maybe I should put my remaining function overloads in a separate namespace. Then I would have adl for ADL-wrappers; functors for, well, functor types; and overloaded for extensible stuff. And for each extensible overload I can still have a Niebler-style constant that calls it.
 
should I learn Clojure? hmm..
 
So, I'm gonna be playing games for 24h whilst streaming and trying to garner enough sympathy for people to donate.
 
Ven
Ugh, rust.
match x => y() doesn't work if y() returns a Result or an Option
but for Option, there's no try!-like macro to just fail if it's None.
and if you try to write a function to just panic! in such case, you'll be in trouble because you tried to deref your variable (in my case, "self") as mut more than once :[.
 
Maybe someone should organize a 24h sleeping for charity
 
@chmod711telkitty :|
i hate sleeping
 
3:38 PM
@Ven What?
 
std::panic!("at the disco")
ayy
 
I love sleeping (off 2 bed)
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was unclear. sorry. What I mean is – you can't "ignore" the return type if it's a Result or an Option
and there's no ml-like ignore function
 
y(), () then? Or { y(); () } if it comes to that
 
do not criticize rust
 
3:42 PM
Go troll elsewhere.
 
@buttifulbuttefly go rust elsewhere
 
Ven
@LucDanton , is for tuples in rust
 
pre-empt’d!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Take a chill pill
 
Ven
the only correct way is resorting to a block to use let (which is a statement)
 
3:43 PM
@LucDanton y(); would be enough, no?
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, in a match, each RHS (lhs => rhs) must be an expression
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was sticking with an expression but yeah, for a lot of places semicolon is the right tool
@Ven That’s not true. You need parens, too.
 
Every child needs two parens.
 
no comma operator though, I guess you have to use blocks then
 
One left and one right
 
Ven
3:45 PM
@LucDanton ...which doesn't make it false. I just said you need ,, not that you didn't need anything else.
 
see where I'm going
 
@Ven It’s not relevant then.
 
Ven
@LucDanton it's relevant because you suggested using a comma were it wouldn't work.
Then I explained to you why it wouldn't work. because there's no comma operator, comma is used instead (along with parens) to construct a tuple
 
But saying it’s used for something else is silly. It’s used for function calls, too, so how do tuples come into the picture (no FnMut etc. please).
It’s the wrong (and here I meant it) explanation.
 
Ven
sigh
Get the last word if you want it. But if you want a discussion with me, don't dismiss my points simply because you also said it at a later point.
 
3:48 PM
@Ven He's dismissing your point because your point was not the right explanation.
 
@Ven I’m dismissing for what it is. I fully acknowledge I noticed the lack of a comma operator later.
As it is, your comment could have been interpreted to mean that any use of the comma results in a tuple. E.g. let x = vec![a, b, c, d]; println!("{} {} {}", 1, 2, 3) and so on. I know this is not what you intended, the correction is for the benefit of anyone in the chat, not necessarily you.
In some languages a comma does imply a tuple in almost every context. Rust is not one of these.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Only one is poor, but as for my experience, they'll deal with 3 or more well.
 
Xeo
ugh, so hot
 
@Xeo sorry, I'll tell my mom not to make more me's
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