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10:00 AM
@QueueOverflow I use Scala for fun and Java for profit.
2 days ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
The Lounge Game Marmalade - 2015-03-22 (Sunday), 17-23 UTC
 
@FredOverflow I was only pretending!!!!
 
@FredOverflow What do you write at Java?
 
@QueueOverflow I teach it.
@QueueOverflow I also wrote a Tetris clone once ;)
But that was a long time ago, and I lost the source code.
Too bad we didn't have github 10-15 years ago.
 
@FredOverflow Thanks for answer.
 
10:09 AM
@Griwes That's actually very nice, IMO
@ParkYoung-Bae LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH
@BartekBanachewicz reprieve
@QueueOverflow I write backup software and GUI stuff in it.
 
Gnarly User Interface
 
> I have written more lines of Scala code (more than 250K) than almost anyone on the planet.
whoah m8 usogud
and then he proceeds to listing his achievements
 
I wanna ask graphicsdesign SE about the pepsi logo
 
Screams MODESTY like nothing else
 
@sehe What's nice, the fact that it has 15 years? Or the fact that foo() = default; is not enough in that case? :D
 
10:15 AM
 
Whoa.
The C11 thread local stuff is.. interesting.
 
Rufus, Shanghai, China
1.2k 7 25
> Male, Straight, Single, Nerd, Not a geek (yet), Google fan. Javascript, C++, AHK.
 
> Not a geek (yet)
 
"straight" and "single" there are so random
 
javascript, full stop.
 
10:24 AM
imagine this guy going to CppCon and starting his presentation with "Hi, I'm Joe and I'm straight and single"
 
@AlexM. As opposed to gay and in a harem
 
do gay harems exist
 
Certainly
 
@AlexM. Why would he go to cppcon his tags are all web dev
 
by this guy I meant any guy
not that guy
 
10:28 AM
I can defo picture someone saying they're straight and single at a javascript conference though
 
lol
 
"Hey, I'm Jack, I hang out at the local Starbucks on 43rd and Jarvis, straight and single and codin' up a storm!"
 
I too am confused
 
10:34 AM
another node.js shitstorm on facebook
 
it is enough. (hint: enough for what).
It's nice that they keep track of these items well enough for them to notice to reconsider with new language features
 
@Rapptz bool rvalue; I'm outta here.
 
Well, I like that the item is kept, I dislike they didn't notice it when they introduced = default. I think LRiO nailed it:
TRWTF is that A() = default is insufficient. — Lightness Races in Orbit Sep 29 '14 at 11:11
 
Enough. For what.
 
I always nail it, bitch.
 
10:40 AM
HSBC is terrible
 
@Griwes Interesting question. I think I've only half realized this "conundrum" and always solve it in this way:
@Karu Is it so bad to pay the costs of initialization some of the time, e.g. const A a {}; (const A a = A(); for C++03)? I'd sooner do that than add a constructor. — Luc Danton Sep 14 '11 at 5:57
 
lol vmware's gettin' sued
 
> How can I encourage my cat not to sit on my laptop when I'm working, without hurting its feelings?
 
@Griwes And I echo this sentiment
> The question is, is there a compelling reason the rule should be more complex? Is there some code that would otherwise be very difficult to write or understand that can be written much more simply if the rule is more complex?
 
10:45 AM
@BartekBanachewicz context?
 
just don't get a cat
 
> facebook
 
@Pris nothing unusual
 
why would you even want a cat, dogs are better
 
Polish FB JS group
 
10:45 AM
dogs stay with you because of their pack instincts
cats stay with you for convenience :\
like a woman married for money
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh... I thought it was related to their js stack
 
Facebook made Flow for themselves
 
@AlexM. because tedious.
 
I suppose they should be happy with it for a while
 
@AlexM. Cats walk themselves. They brush themselves. They don't bark. They don't jump at you when you dare enter the front door. They don't lick your face (unless you train them to using special tricks) etc.
@AlexM. I think you're misunderstanding human relations and conventional social structures. A bit.
 
10:49 AM
@sehe IOW "cats aren't dogs"
 
Most cats aren't
Which makes them vastly superior :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you mean Flux?
 
Xeo
@sehe They're also fluffly for the most part, and sometimes cuddly.
Also, they purr.
 
But you can't jog with your cat
 
Xeo
That's like, the most satisfying sound ever.
 
10:54 AM
@Rerito I don't want to jog, period
 
But then most parks, beaches... forbid dogs nowadays
 
(At least in France)
 
this is interesting
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A: How do audio based games such as Audiosurf and Beat Hazard work?

Ray DeyThe term you're looking for is signal processing/analysis There are lots of techniques involved but the fundamental one that those games make use of is Beat Detection. This tries to calculate the tempo of the song and where the beats in a measure are and hence place the obstacles the appropriate ...

 
Weekend!!! byebye
 
10:57 AM
@Rerito I can! Also, the cat joins the kids to school.
And we have to get the cat from the pub some times
 
@Rerito Sounds too good to be true
 
You really hate dogs that much?
 
when you think about it, it's not fair - your pet cat or dog gets to stay at home doing nothing all day, you have to work 8 hours a day to put food on the table & roof over your head
 
Dogs are awesome, assuming their owner is capable of teaching them something.
 
10:59 AM
(I'm not advocating one side over the other, I love both cats and dogs)
 
@sehe Dogs are not alcoholics. They act drunk naturally.
 
I love cats, dogs, magpies & chickens
 
I wonder why they didn't use TypeScript
 
@Pris IIRC TS inference isn't really that good
they added ADTs and better generics and some other things lately, but it's still far from state-of-the-art
 
Ah man I love catching people in a lie
 
11:03 AM
I see you switched back to boobs
congrats
 
"A little earlier this morning I raised an enhancement for X, Y, Z .. no big deal but worth doing if we can find the time."
"Yeah of course, makes sense. I was reading that a while ago. Nice."
"*smirk because I had raised it 15 seconds before speaking those words*"
 
What? That's so confusing
 
kinda
 
11:05 AM
I didn't get the idea
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit your job sounds amazing
 
@BartekBanachewicz inorite
Good thing I love my codebase and my technical freedom
And, ultimately, my power over everyone, in technical terms
 
ironically, I think our codebase is pretty bad, but the people are good enough here that I don't relaly care
@LightnessRacesinOrbit kids these days
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have no indication of addiction
 
That's what they all say.
 
11:08 AM
> SteamVR hands-on: Valve overtakes Oculus pcgamer.com/steamvr-hands-on-valve-overtakes-oculus
I'll get one
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Starred for telling edit
 
> In one demo I was under the sea on the deck of a wrecked ship. Fish darted around me, and I peered over the prow to stare down into a rocky canyon below. When I walked across the deck, a neon blue grid appeared a couple feet in front of me—think the Star Trek holodeck when it’s deactivated—that represented one of the walls of my room. I reached out to touch it, and sure enough, it was exactly where it should be.
sounds awesome
 
I feel like the Occulus guys dropped the ball taking so long to come out with a product
 
Now everyone is in the VR game, Valve, Sony, even Google
 
11:13 AM
Don't forget MS?
 
oculus rift makes me feel dizzy
 
@MarcoA. Someday people will stop being surprised about languages with string and integer addition.
 
@MarcoA. Valve's seems to fix that
 
@AlexM. yeah but now he's just accidentally swept all his precious china off the mantelpiece with his outstretched arm
 
with the 90hz refresh rate
 
11:14 AM
@sehe Microsoft is AR
Though the Valve thing seems to incorporate some kind of AR too where it detects walls in the room you're in
 
@Pris Valve is more HTC in this case
or is it
Valve makes the software that I think also works with Oculus Rift
and HTC makes their main headset
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes but perl brings everything to a whole new level: "print \"darnit\" + 94 * true - 'b' == 0.005"" -> runs fine
 
Right, the HTC "Vive"
 
@MarcoA. Not surprising. That code makes me run, without a problem
 
11:16 AM
@sehe Perl and Oculus Rift have the same effect on me
 
@thecoshman ahahah
 
@BartekBanachewicz I hope Haskell is Dobby
 
@MarcoA. That's great. Because Perl is a lot cheaper
 
@thecoshman You mean 7 steps back?
 
11:21 AM
@BartekBanachewicz lol IR Intercal as Interracial
 
> Fortran is Albus Dumbledore (who, incidentally, also frowned upon aliasing pointers when operating on arrays — there’s a little known HP fact for you).
Hard Pron fact
 
first time I hear of that language
 
> Haskell is Hermione Granger, rolling her eyes at you discovering list comprehensions.
6
Seems apt
 
I might try intercal
luna lovegood was best girl in harry potter
 
@AlexM. was the actress old enough to make comments about?
 
11:22 AM
I don't know
maybe not
 
@AlexM. You don't know what you're in for, do you?
 
an esoteric programming language wikipedia says
 
Look at a helloworld.
PLEASE GIVE UP
 
so many PLEASEs
 
@AlexM. If you don't put them, the compiler refuses to compile because you're not polite enough.
 
11:25 AM
> $ substituted for ¢ as the mingle operator, "represent[ing] the increasing cost of software in relation to hardware"
 
in JavaScript, 53 secs ago, by Aadit M Shah
That's where it gets confusing. Fun has the kind signature * -> * -> *. However, when you enable the DataKinds extension it also becomes a kind in itself. Hence in (f :: Fun a b) the Fun a b part is a kind like *. The types of this kind are values of Fun.
@FredOverflow that's why I lol at people saying that monads are the hardest part of haskell
 
@AlexM. paaleeese
 
11:45 AM
I hate it when people come sick to work
ooh but I can work just fNO YOU FUCKING CAN'T
STAY HOME AND KEEP YOUR VIRUSES WITH YOU
 
@AlexM. It's your fault. Don't steal them from them.
 
> In C, it took less than half a second; the same program in INTERCAL took over seventeen hours.
 
> Input (using the WRITE IN instruction) and output (using the READ OUT instruction)
 
How do I quote stuff in chat
 
11:51 AM
add a space
 
@AlexM. Tell me about it. Two weeks ago I had to lock myself in a meeting room because the office sounded like a hospital
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C/C++>: By popular request [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
imma go now
 
I love that name topic
 
There are savage chickens mugs... I need one!
 
> The victim's wife, who heard the commotion, called the police from inside a locked bathroom.
> Meanwhile, Pike pushed the victim to the floor before the victim's wife announces the police are coming and the trio flees.
> On his way out, Williams stole three cheesecakes from the victim's refrigerator.
> A police officer spotted Williams fleeing the scene on a bicycle, away from the victim's dog who chased him.
> Williams was stopped, but he refused to obey the officer's command. Williams was pepper sprayed but the struggle continued.
Man that is some atrocious writing for a newspaper but still hilarious
 
11:54 AM
Atrocious? How generous of you.
Also ARGRGRHHHHHHHHHHHH sentences-as-paragraphs.
 
That article was written by a high-school media student
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Who's going to flunk.
 
> The victim's dog ended up jumping up on the officer and licking him during the struggle.
 
> On his way out, Williams stole three cheesecakes from the victim's refrigerator.
This is my favourite line.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like the bit where the dog licked the officer but the officer didn't pull out his gun and shoot the dog
 
11:57 AM
WTF
What the fuck.
Why would the officer shoot the dog.
 
Cops in the US are notorious for killing dogs. thefreethoughtproject.com/…
 
cos north america
@Pris ok but this happened in Canada
 
@Pris Notorious for killing, you mean?
Pretty sure it's not just dogs
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The officers here carry guns as well. Its not like in the UK
 
I don't see how "Cops in the US are notorious for..." is magically made relevant in Canada by that statement
Dude, Visual Studio 5.0 is eighteen years old. It was released in 1997. It predates even Visual Studio 6.0, which has been retconned out of the C++ continuity. It's possibly older than you are! What on earth are you doing with such antiquated "technology"? — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
> On June 3, 2013 Buffalo police raided a man’s home to look for crack cocaine. He was not there, nor was the crack. The home belonged to Iraqi war veteran, Adam Arroyo and his 2-year-old pit bull Cindy. Upon breaking down the door to Arroyo’s home, officers encountered Cindy, who was barely 50 pounds, and shot and killed her. They were at the wrong apartment.
fuck me
 
12:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am almost willing to close as whatever-the-reason-is-that-says-it-doesn't-help-anyone.
"a problem that can no longer be reproduced"
 
> Many of these dogs are shot during the execution of no-knock search warrants, many of which are served in an attempt to stop people from putting something in their own body which makes them happy.
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Its relevant in Canada because Canada isn't really that drastically dissimilar, at least in the urban places.
 
But what about cheescakes? Are they popular in Canada?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not especially. But cheese cake is awesome, not really surprised that guy jacked some
 
> Thank you for being self-correcting rmf. It's people like you that keeps this machine well-oiled and in tip-top shape.
 
12:07 PM
y u no url
 
it would be in tipper-topper shape if people like you wouldn't fuck up in the first place ;p
 
pfft you're just jealous.
@Pris Ugh, horrible presenters.
Why do you even get someone there talking, if they're just reading the slides?
 
What the hell is this pepsi thing
 
12:25 PM
/** @brief Create global debug overlay.
     * @return Pointer to created debug overlay.
     */
/* promptly crash when I try to reinitialize */
/* don't provide any cleanup method */
 
Guys I'm wondering, how does C++ make lambda capture?
 
by magic
 
@Rerito it just tracks which variables are accessed from within the lambda body. then it copies those into the generated function object
 
How so? Using a variadic template?
 
No, using the compiler
the compiler is allowed to read the source code and analyze it
 
12:28 PM
@jalf That's C#. C++ has explicit captures. It can look at the body to optimise things, but it doesn't need it.
 
m_sm.UnregisterState( AppState::ASI_LOAD, true );
Sleep(1000);
m_sm.UnregisterState( AppState::ASI_MENU, true );
Sleep(1000);
 
I've always read that the compiler "translates" the lambda into a struct that overloads operator()
 
I added the sleeps because otherwise it crashes
kill me.
 
@Rerito Yep. The captures are members in it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it still has to figure out which (of the explicitly captured) variables are actually used in the lambda
It doesn't copy the entire world when you make a [=] lambda :)
 
12:29 PM
Oh right, I forgot general captures.
I almost only use the specific ones.
 
Oh ok, so basically it just reads the source to add the needed class attributes
 
Woo, I corrected the robot! I'm gonna treasure this moment :D
(also I'd assume that even for specific captures, it still ignores you if you tell it to capture a variable it doesn't need)
 
@jalf Pff, I did that too.
24 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> Thank you for being self-correcting rmf. It's people like you that keeps this machine well-oiled and in tip-top shape.
 
but I haven't verified that
 
@jalf But that's an optimisation, no?
 
12:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably, yeah
 
So just to make sure I'm getting this right
 
Not sure, tbh. It might be required behavior
 
> Learned myself a little Haskell, find it attractive, now I don't even want to touch other languages, including Python, but cannot find a job with Haskell, guess it's the end of my programmer life...
 
@BartekBanachewicz context? also man that sounds like a nasty fix
 
@Jefffrey The Banachewicz Syndrome
 
user1804599
12:32 PM
I love AWK.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel a little the same, but C++ is still fascinating to me.
 
So if I do something like this
Then my lambda will have something like int &b as an attribute?
 
@jalf Ugh, I don't like it, then. If I write [x = std::move(y)] I WANT MY Y MOVED FFS
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, like I said, I'm not sure. I'm just thinking that with general captures, the compiler is required to pick only the variables that are actually used. So I figure it might make sense to apply the same logic to specific ones. You just restrict the set that the compiler can capture from, but it still captures only what it needs
But i dunno, I haven't looked it up :)
an you may be right, it may have undesirable side effects
 
@Pris it's fucking terrible
 
12:40 PM
Anyway thanks @R.MartinhoFernandes and @jalf :)
 
what color do you guys think the official Vulkan programming guide will be
 
it's actually a pretty damn fine example
if I didn't know how fucked up global state is before, I would by now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah I hadn't thought of that...
 
Boss insists that every Bugzilla bug status change be forcibly accompanied by a comment. This wouldn't be so bad, except he always forgets to actually make the change when doing batch RESOLVED->CLOSED and the like. So now 50 bugs have a comment describing the purpose of the change, then a second comment that just says "see comment n". He sees nothing wrong with this ridiculous spamminess. Sigh.
The worst thing is .... there's already a bug update history page.
He got a bit upset when I suggested that "see comment n" was not a useful comment. Apparently it's a useful comment because a comment is required (because he's made it so in the Bugzilla config). P good logic.
 
TRWTF is Bugzilla :)
 
12:50 PM
I just filed a bug, and set Critical priority on it
 
@sehe What's your favorite ticketing system?
 
@Rerito yes
@Rerito Do I have one? (I don't think jira or target process are too bad)
@BartekBanachewicz was it a cosmetical issue?
 
Dunno but you seem to dislike bugzilla. Knowing you there is (at least one) a good reason behind it
 
Or is this dislike targeted at the more general concept of bug tickets systems
 
12:52 PM
@jalf lol
 
@Rerito That reason is "sehe"
 
@sehe it was the fact that apparently using singletons isn't considered a hack here, and as a consequence the app is unable to shutdown properly
 
Yes I got trolled by jalf, that's awesome
 
haha
It's a rite of passage here
 
so yeah well the ball is in their court
 
12:54 PM
But in the end I still learnt something so... It's not like it's really a troll
 
the shutdown function in supposed to work
if it doesn't, they are supposed to fix it
 
@Rerito actually I loved about the very concise wording. I love when people make a point obvious by chosing the right analogy
 
@sehe Yes the sentence is so true
But by that maybe he was showing me I was unclear and/or not specific enough
 
@Rerito I do dislike bugzilla. Part of it is the UI. It might work very well if you use it as a dev/test engineer. I dunno - never used it internally for a company
 
I barely used it on an internship, I don't remember the UI as being very friendly I agree
 
12:59 PM
I like the bug genie
it's easy to set up
 

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