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9:00 AM
@Rapptz Sure we do:
 
Xeo
That just means he knows search exists. Not that he knew about the search shortcut in the top-right corner.
 
user1804599
@Xeo no :(
 
@Xeo Granted
 
Xeo
Meh. I'm still not happy with my AI infrastructure.
I need something better
 
I tend to search via profiles. Given how terrible the search is every hint matters.
Then it still doesn’t find anything and I google it.
 
Xeo
What's a proper data structure for an AI? :(
 
on Windows
still not very interactive I should add
 
@Rapptz In what way?
 
@Xeo A tree
 
user1804599
'x' could be a USV or a grapheme cluster or what else?
 
9:03 AM
Oh, prompt is shown but back to bash?
 
@LucDanton it shows the prompt but then just exits
 
Xeo
@райтфолд See, they create confusion!
 
@райтфолд It's a smiley
 
yeah I get that with lua -i
 
mmm new office supplies arrived
 
user1804599
9:04 AM
@Xeo You can suffix them to create the other!
 
user1804599
Like with numbers!
 
user1804599
But I need a default!
 
wow 96 open issues
 
@BartekBanachewicz Does it contain that package of dildoes you asked for
 
Xeo
@райтфолд don't
 
user1804599
9:04 AM
:[
 
user1804599
Seems reasonable! :3
 
@ParkYoung-Bae no just drinks
 
@LucDanton Whenever I tried to contribute the PR would take forever to accept
 
@BartekBanachewicz disappointment/12
 
@Rapptz I have 1.3.4, what are you running out of curiosity?
 
user1804599
9:06 AM
Like 'x'u and 'x'g!
 
@LucDanton 1.5.1
 
@Xeo Completely depends on how you're implementing it. Neural nets are trees, I think.
 
seems really weird it would be a regression that nobody noticed, but I can’t believe I have a more or less broken target etiher—so confused right now
 
user1804599
@Xeo AI-specific.
 
user1804599
Don't try to make a generic data structure for such a broad thing.
 
user1804599
9:08 AM
It'll fail terribly, like scene graphs.
 
holiday yay
 
Oh wow.
v1.5.3 fixed the missing colour issue
 
Xeo
I just want something generic enough for the 4-5 different creature types we'll have
 
@Rapptz Can you add pool = console to the build rule? I don’t know which
It’s a 1.5 feature, can’t test
 
user1804599
Then be more specific about how those behave.
 
9:09 AM
@Rapptz Huzzah!
 
user1804599
Otherwise it's impossible to tell which data structure is good.
 
is v1.5.3 really 3 years old
wtf
 
it’s not
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae smiley literals!
 
github tag ui is misleading
 
9:10 AM
smileyterals
 
> nico released this on 24 Nov 2014
 
user1804599
:) is true and :( is false.
 
0/10
 
user1804599
if :) { "woo" } else { "impossible!" }
if :( { "impossible" } else { "woo!" }
 
Xeo
9:11 AM
They're animals, and it seems like a decision tree would be the best option - now how do I best represent that in C++...
 
@LucDanton Works.
 
After 1.5 years of work on range-v3, I finally figured out how the algorithms can safely take rvalue ranges. https://github.com/ericniebler/range-v3 #cpp
#cpp
 
@Xeo A tree.
 
λ ninja
[1/1] script.bat
"running script!"
Lua 5.2.3  Copyright (C) 1994-2013 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
> print('hello world!')
hello world!
 
yeah makes sense, and it’s all in the docs
 
user1804599
9:11 AM
@Xeo struct DecisionTree { std::function<bool(Animal const&)> predicate; DecisionTree *ifTrue, *ifFalse; };
 
@райтфолд Need a function for the final action to take for leaf nodes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz #nieblest
 
@LucDanton It's like they read your mind!
 
user1804599
@Puppy Sure!
 
@Rapptz Ta! and let’s not mention why Ubuntu packages 1.3
 
user1804599
9:12 AM
@Xeo FSM!
 
wait, nieblest uses biicode?!
 
@ParkYoung-Bae No.
The biicode guys are sending PRs to projects to add biicode support
and they just accept it because it's whatever.
 
what even is biicode
 
I only know this because I've been notified 4 times.
 
9:13 AM
@Puppy dependency thingy.
 
oh dear
a giant C/C++ button
well I guess that strictly in terms of dependency management they probably don't actually differ that much
 
Xeo
@райтфолд Not keen on implementing one myself, and my boss seems oddly averse to including Boost in this project...
 
user1804599
Implementing FSMs is easy. :[
 
@LucDanton Why are you using Ubuntu?
 
> As you can reusing the code with Biicode is pretty simple
great
 
9:15 AM
I didn't know you were an Ubuntu man.
 
user1804599
 
@Rapptz contradiction
 
@Xeo Did you really ask this impossible question?
@ParkYoung-Bae Did you really answer that :)
 
@Xeo It's trivial to implment a simple FSM... just a switch-case or two.
 
@sehe Yes (why?)
 
Xeo
9:16 AM
I'm bad at this. And getting panic-y. And I don't even know why. :(
 
@Jefffrey Sven replied if you haven't noticed. Basically the same.
@Puppy a package/dependency manager for C++
 
@LucDanton The 'fix' was actually in v1.1
 
@ParkYoung-Bae what's so bad in it?
 
But it's still broken to me.
So maybe it's not meant to be a 'fix'.
 
lack of something like Cabal for C++ is a huge turnoff for me at least
 
9:17 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know, can you let me criticize in peace? Thanks
 
@BartekBanachewicz The only thing I've seen about Cabal in here is that everybody seems to hate it with a passion.
 
Xeo
@Puppy My boss has two giant switches for the human characters. It's crazy-unmanageable
 
but will animals need anywhere near as many states?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cabal sucks.
 
@Puppy And yet everybody still loves and uses it.
 
Xeo
9:18 AM
prolly not.
 
If we get a dependency manager let it not be cabal.
 
what a coincidence
I like Cabal.
 
Xeo
I'm prolly just overthinking this a great deal
 
@Rapptz It came up before, but I guess you weren’t around: it worked out of the box on my laptop (Broadcom) and my desktop (AMD graphics). Nowadays I think pretty much everything does though.
 
It has issues and occasional gimmicks but it's in general an amazingly helpful toll
 
9:19 AM
@LucDanton But Unity!
the packages bug me the most though
 
What of it?
 
It always slows down my comp ._.
Well back then.
I don't know now.
Sour first experience.
 
@Rapptz Any one(s) in particular? Not having recent enough GCC has bugged me at times, hence why I build it these days.
 
@LucDanton Pretty much everything. clang, git, GCC, etc.
 
Xeo
What I currently have is a queue with a bunch of sub-actions per behaviour state. Works reasonably well, but I don't have any support for looping or anything atm.
 
9:21 AM
Oh Bartek's back.
 
I always have to add a testing repository.
Packages are the main reason I switched to debian
 
@Rapptz ^this
 
@Rapptz Makes everything worse in the long run :( I gave up on that
I have a bunch of PPAs, I don’t recall for what. I added GHC recently though.
 
I don't know what my favourite dependency manager is
I've been thinking about it though.
 
The thing that used to hold me back was U1 integration, but they closed that down. I guess I could migrate.
 
9:23 AM
@BartekBanachewicz ahahahahahhahahahaa
 
because rolling distribs are the shiz of course :v
 
@Griwes what's so fun?
 
This is hilarious. Especially when you remember what he kept saying about Chandler's ranges. Seems Eric's ranges are converging towards Chandler's.
 
@LucDanton U1?
 
I have a lot of inertia when it comes to admin-related tasks
@Rapptz Ubuntu One, cloud storage.
 
9:24 AM
Oh.
 
4 hours ago, by Luc Danton
somehow made worse by the fact that I’ve put off getting rid of the swap space on this machine for a while
 
@Griwes what he kept saying about Chandler's rangers?
 
I use Dropbox.
 
I am thinking about hosting my OwnCloud actually
 
@BartekBanachewicz That they suck and that ranges should be references, not ever values, and stuff like that.
 
9:26 AM
what are Chandler ranges
 
@sehe still here?
 
I’m also tired of sharing the HDD for dual boot, it’s too constricted now what with storage inflation. I should consider buying something and making a new install tbh.
 
@LucDanton I recognize this
 
@Rapptz The thing Carruth presented in his talk at C++Now last year.
 
@sehe Hey now, my other box is running very smoothly. But don’t ask when was the last time I checked the results of the ZFS scrub.
 
9:28 AM
I don't really like niebler ranges much
but the only reference to Chandler ranges is std::pair<iterator, iterator>.
then again it's 3 years old not 1 year old
 
That rings a bell. for(auto&& e: std::make_pair(a, b)) never made it into C++.
 
I like Chandler's talks though.
So maybe I will listen.
 
Yeah, this one is good.
 
Xeo
C++ got this huge ownership "problem" with just about everything...
 
9:32 AM
I should know, I was recording it. :P
 
You recorded this?
 
@Xeo how so?
 
Also, anyone here going to C++Now this year?
 
@Puppy it's because explicit ownership is a core of modern C++ and that complicates things hellishly
 
Xeo
@Puppy You need to decide if you reference or copy / move something.
 
9:34 AM
@LucDanton I do this twice a year. Tops
 
@Rapptz Well yes, I thought that's what I said. :P
 
mornin
 
As in the video I am watching was recorded was you?
 
Yes.
 
@Xeo Would be nice if they could just forward the input like Wide can.
 
9:35 AM
Cool.
 
@sehe Alright, let’s do the first one of the year then! Yup, 0 errors.
 
I can imagine this not sitting well in this room.
 
@LucDanton just add std::make_range like boost::make_iterator_range. [Not a day goes by](user:85371 make_iterator_range) that I don't use that
 
There was this iterator hate fest orgasm last night.
 
9:35 AM
@sehe uh no thanks
 
@LucDanton ?! how small is your pool?!
 
There's a section for what are ranges later on. :P
 
@Rapptz that's not a hate fest, that's a constructive lineup of why iterators are a broken design that has a better replacement
 
@sehe Do you take me for a scrub? It’s the result of the last weekly automated run.
 
haha
 
9:37 AM
Also, people keep saying my things are small. How can you even tell??
 
I don't do automated runs. I don't even have my fileserver on fulltime. I manually trigger scrubs and then they run for 1.5 days. For each of the two pools
 
That's my joke
 
@LucDanton I can tell because you finished so quickly
 
well played
 
9:38 AM
now now don't overdo it
 
@sehe It’s true, mine didn’t even last 10h. I’m no match!
 
> When you're 22, a job that is $30,000 below market and offers 1% of an unproven startup might seem like a worthwhile proposition. If it fails (it probably will) you're young enough to recover. At 35, taking dodgy startup jobs is pathetic. You're old enough that you should see through the bullshit
I wish I knew that when I was 35
 
ITT Bartek finally realizes that startups are mostly shit
 
dat edit
 
the best is still in the real estate, that's why everyone hates big landlords
 
9:41 AM
@LucDanton I should really cleanup my FSes. I'm not out of space yet though :)
 
> "camaraderie" (i.e. having co-workers who work 14 hours per day, but flying RC helicopters and telling dick jokes for 10 of those 14) is no substitute for career advancement.
woah
 
15 mins ago, by sehe
@LucDanton I recognize this
 
this is what I learned in economics: competition will drive down profit in business, but land is not renewable resource, what you can have, no one else can have it at the same time
 
@ParkYoung-Bae removed? are you ashamed?
 
9:43 AM
@chmod711telkitty this is what I learned in ornithology: some people may be birds of strange feather, but a football shoe will easily kick most of them out of orbit if they happened to be in one
 
@chmod711telkitty No I'm just too lazy to get banned. What matters is that you read it!
 
If you type in c++14 properties in google you get information on properties of carbon (as an element)
 
Upon seeing his talk punchline I know immediately that I have implemented this before.
Brought back memories.
 
Programming-traumatic stress disorder.
 
9:45 AM
Seriously, google is terrible sometimes. Try searching for ""c++14 properties""
 
we've noticed
 
Oh his requirement is interesting.
 
user1804599
It fails horribly, though.
 
I'm no longer convinced of what I said above.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I missed it :(
 
user1804599
9:46 AM
Better now, I hope.
 
user1804599
Fibonacci is tricky to implement.
 
@sehe will a football shoe work on a strangely feathered pelican?
 
@Rapptz What is it
 
No memory allocation.
 
@райтфолд Fibonacci has heaps of different features
 
9:47 AM
@ParkYoung-Bae just for me? I am touched :')
 
user1804599
dat pun
 
@райтфолд That's... actually a neat thing.
 
@sehe lol
 
user1804599
Maybe I can make seq take a monad.
 
@chmod711telkitty did the cat die?
 
user1804599
9:51 AM
But I'm not sure.
 
user1804599
It'd be nice if it weren't sequence-specific.
 
@StackedCrooked no eye dear
tell me, this is not just fluff ...
does it eat meat & fish from tourists day in & day out
 
I wish all talks forced questions to the end.
 
user1804599
I wish all talks forced the camera man to film the fucking entire talk instead of just the speaker.
 
I don't really watch talks
generally they're a terrible format to present information at a pace I want
 
9:58 AM
I don't watch talks often.
Once every 2-3 months maybe.
 
what if Monads were called Endomonoids
would they be less scary
 

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