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12:00 AM
But I've never had problem crossing where ever, as I always knew that cars move fast and never trusted them to stop
@BartekBanachewicz more fool you
I've kind of always expected everyone else to fuck up in some way
 
I'm curious how autocars handle parts failures.
 
Ell
@Prismatic there is
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not actually about the attention. It's about capacity for information processing.
The brain simply doesn't have enough horse power to /process/ all the information.
 
@Ell feel free to elaborate
 
Ell
Pango :D
have you tried?
 
12:01 AM
pango isnt permissive
also known as *gpl can shove it
 
@sehe just outlaw human drivers and let google handle it!
 
Ok, time to stoke the boilers in the bedroom and try to bring up to a point where I might surgive the night
 
Ell
4 mins ago, by Prismatic
why isnt there one magical text rendering stack that'll take in any utf8 and a set of fonts and just MAGICALLY render it for me
 
@ScarletAmaranth yes to the first part. "mmmmm" to the second
 
Ell
there is one and it's pango
 
12:02 AM
Yes I should have added 'with a permissive license'
 
Ell
Yes you should :P
 
hi Ell :)
 
Ell
Hi @TonyTheLion :)
 
@sehe from what I understand google's self driving car is the most advanced as of current? I might be wrong vOv
 
12:03 AM
That's not the cause of "mmmm".
 
@ScarletAmaranth I think so. Audi and Tesla are two notable competitors
 
I'm not saying there is anything better.
 
the one thing I'm happy about is that human driving won't be outlawed during my lifetime
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah Tesla (well, the CEO that also has SpaceX) wants to be on frontier of everything
 
12:04 AM
targeted ads because you drove to the strip club
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well, they are aiming for full computer controlled cars, Tesla has computer assisted and seems to be having much better progress there
 
the horror
 
they are actually being used
 
Volvo has one out by 2017 apparently.
 
since outlawing human driving would essentially mean outlawing motorcycles
 
Ell
12:04 AM
@BartekBanachewicz have you used effect handlers before?
 
@Ell used what?
 
outlawing human drivers would lead to safer roads without a doubt
 
You know what's more likely than the NSA hacking and looking at your files in the cloud? Losing everything in a house fire.
 
Ell
this talks about them somewhat :V
 
@Ell then no.
 
12:05 AM
@Ell yes
I have used Eff and Idris effects framework
 
Ell
Yeah I'm looking at idris' effects library now
 
I guess ^
 
@TonyTheLion needs proof
 
I'm happy with my monad stacks
 
@Ell it's pointless; learn monad stacks first
 
12:06 AM
@BartekBanachewicz to be honest, if all cars where AI driven... maybe bikes would be safer?
 
@sehe thats what I thought
 
I don't think it's true. (Well, except maybe due to the "hacking" part. They won't need to hack)
 
@ScarletAmaranth well that sounds like a bummer
 
@TonyTheLion My house is not on fire.
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth I'll see how the tutorial goes
 
12:06 AM
@thecoshman well, certainly. I'd still say that most motorcycle accidents are caused by the people in cars.
 
@CaptainGiraffe But I'm on fire bby ~~~~
 
Ell
I am getting taught effect handlers next semester anyway I think
 
Man, I love Google Maps. Such a lovely tool.
 
Ell
or possibly next year
 
most motorcyclist understand that any crash could be fatal
 
Ell
12:07 AM
either way I want to be ahead of the game
 
@BartekBanachewicz ...
 
IMHO that makes them way more cautious
 
@BartekBanachewicz I won't debate that 'caused by cars', but the uncertainty of cars certainly doesn't help
 
@BartekBanachewicz that makes no sense.
 
@Ell it’s not a competition
 
12:07 AM
@sehe doesn't it?
 
Ell
@LucDanton I know; but knowing or semi knowing things before they are taught makes learning them much easier
 
@thecoshman sure
 
@ElimGarak if you have net
 
@TonyTheLion Cheesy but quite neat. Also quite short youtube.com/watch?v=lrpXArn3hII
 
@LucDanton does it? I don't think he will appreciate the independence of effect order if he doesn't know the "more common way" vOv
 
12:08 AM
@BartekBanachewicz yup, but that doesn't in any way make it likely that they don't cause (their own) accidents. I mean, the margin for error is wayyyyyy smaller on a bike
 
@ScarletAmaranth FWIW, my monad stacks are order independent thanks to TMCs /cc @Ell
 
@BartekBanachewicz AI cars should be a lot more predictable
 
@ScarletAmaranth 'learn this sucky thing so you can appreciate how good you have it you whippersnappers! and get off my lawn!'
 
@sehe also what is a fender bender for a car, can often be fatal for a bike
 
yeah, but that's beside the point
 
12:09 AM
@LucDanton ehhhh... it wasn't supposed to come out like this :P
 
@sehe OTOH you see way more and can react faster.
 
@sehe very much so
 
@BartekBanachewicz Could you please avoid using acronyms that are not widely used here?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah. That logic gets many motorists in trouble. (Many carists too)
 
It makes reading your messages exhausting
 
12:09 AM
@Jefery I tried to coin "TMC" for such a long time :(
Transformer Monad Classes
 
@Ell oh yeah that makes sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz never heard of
 
@sehe MonadState?
 
Noun?
 
any way, night freaks
 
12:11 AM
   f :: State Int Int
-- f :: MonadState Int m => m Int
f = do
    x <- get
    put (x+1)
    return x
MonadState is a class that provides state-like interface
 
Ugh, modeling fucking trees is so annoying.
 
which means that State is a trivial instance of it, but also StateT over anything.
 
@ElimGarak Speed tree that shit
 
@Borgleader Speed tree has quality issues :(
 
@ElimGarak so is fucking modelling trees
 
12:12 AM
using TMCs makes your code independent on the structure of monad stack
and dependent on its capabilities
 
So I got to explain radix sort today. This has to be the funniest algorithm to explain.
 
What the hell is auto&&
 
which is essentially what effects do
 
We've tried cramming speedtree stuff in there and the scenery behind it is ultrarealism and the tree is there herpderping. Sticks out like Telkitty in chat.
 
@Prismatic universal reference
 
12:13 AM
@Prismatic rvalue reference that will collapse into something
 
@ScarletAmaranth so… not an rvalue reference then
 
@LucDanton possibly an rvalue reference, you got 1 in 4! :)
auto&& can be therefore characterized as 25% rvalue ref and 75% lvalue ref on average!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thats a T&&
 
@ScarletAmaranth makes sense
 
Ugh, still no Quixel Suite 2
 
12:15 AM
@sehe modelling three fucking tries?
 
Okay, you can have three tries modeling
> Sticks out like Telkitty in chat
ow. That's bad.
 
@ElimGarak like this?
 
Very nice pool
Aaaaaaand night all
 
would it make any sense whatsoever to have multiple points of entry into a function?
 
One of the artists brought forward a tree which has the same polygon density as the building next to it. We're going to have to encode some depth info in a alphatested plane variant, to have proper subsurface scattering.
 
12:19 AM
@ElimGarak pics or didn't happen
 
so early ... bear, so early ...
 
@ScarletAmaranth delegating constructors are kinda like that, so generalise to delegating overloads?
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth I guess you could say coroutines
where every yield is an entry point
 
@LucDanton that's an interesting POV
 
@ScarletAmaranth Pretty pics or it didn't happen is basically graphics development MO. If it doesn't look good in the end, it never happened, we never worked on it. :P Plausibl deniability :D
 
12:21 AM
@ScarletAmaranth it really means overloads with a common, factored 'tail' though, not groundbreaking stuff I would say
 
It's actually something we aim to publish soon (screenies and stuff) and I commented that the trees are absolute shit and now they're the week's topic.
 
@LucDanton yeah it's basically an auto-glued continuation I suppose
but it could be interesting anyway
 
Do you guys have qualms over pointing out to colleagues that their hard work may be shit, with intentions of making it better?
 
@ElimGarak so you're writing a custom classified engine for a custom secret classified game?
 
@ScarletAmaranth We don't believe in the hype machine, it's not really about secrets. Show it when it is ready. :D
And show a representation that is not Watch Dogs E3 2012.
 
12:24 AM
I've found a dead webarchive link
 
@ElimGarak well it is a bit of a secret if you don't gief pretty pictures on request :P - has nothing to do with public hype
 
^social engineering in action
 
github search sucks so badly
 
Ahaha, ScarletAmaranth, Barter 95 :D (Fallout)
@Prismatic Wait, dark GitHub, how?
 
I can't think of a worse company to be hosting so much code
@ElimGarak chromium extension called dark reader, it works great
 
12:28 AM
I appreciate sites which provide dark/light switches, depending on mood
 
I'm taking a look at Boost.Spirit now, it seems so interesting
Anyone here with experience on it?
 
the library has support staff watching on SO
 
feel ~~free~~ encouraged to ask on SO!
 
Also, @sehe and @Borgleader, @sehe's protege. Effort required to properly write last word.
 
ok I clearly suck at strike-troughing things
 
12:33 AM
@VillasV nobody
@ElimGarak protégé(e)
 
indeed
 
@sehe aha! Can't trick me, I saw your comment in the website :)
 
@Prismatic or, you know, just stop using the API like a lunatic?
 
Man text rendering would be so nicer to deal with if it was general practice to have to specify what language you were inputting text in.
 
@VillasV which website :)
 
12:34 AM
Not gonna spam questions here, don't worry
 
@sehe He looked inside the website and found you within.
 
@sehe All I did was search for a single term, then go through the pages.
 
my god! the compute time and bandwith
 
uhoh. He went through the pages.
The FBI will be hot on his heels
@VillasV I actually never visit that site. But I stumbled across that comment on twitter (@BoostSpirit bot-tweets them)
 
12:37 AM
Still here ...
 
So Boost.Spirit is Spirit 2 and there's already a Spirit 3 out there? Is it already worth it to make new stuff using Spirit 3?
 
Yes, but you need c++14
 
@sehe Alright, I'll drop the boost tutorials then.
 
There are boost tuts for x3
Also, the versions are sufficiently similar for 80% of it to "just apply" without change to X3
 
@sehe Could not find them at boost.org. Are these the tutorials at ciere.com?
 
12:41 AM
yes; And in the distribution tar ball/git repo
 
Damn I said I would not spam questions :P k thanks
 
Ell
@sehe "nobody" my arse ;)
 
It's a silly question. It deserves a silly answer
Tradition matters
 
another dick Archer
 
12:49 AM
Amazingly, the compiler's error message was spot on. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 37 secs ago
 
Hey, alf is alive!
 
He's ali?fe
 
@ElimGarak uu the metal specular... or should I say spectacular!
 
The badge was based on top of the NCIS one as it is by far the coolest, even though the protagonist is with the SPD. Blocking in the stupid eagle was annoying. Freedom and all.
 
12:51 AM
the (is it plastic?) "background" of the badge looks strange
 
@ScarletAmaranth Material mismatch :D
 
> This library is entirely written in portable C++11 and depends on the following libraries (included in the download / submodules):
> FreeType for font rendering.
> HarfBuzz and Libunibreak for handling unicode text correctly.
doth mine eyes deceive me
or is all my work magically done
 
There is an additional metal piece between the two separated metal pieces for the hinge to go through.
 
no bidi though :[
 
@ElimGarak metal looks pretty awesome; the badge seems strange to me :P
 
12:53 AM
I printed the type name of one of those parsers... man that is one big template
Expression Templates is black magic
 
@ScarletAmaranth It's mostly a placeholder, all of it has changed since 2014. :D
The most important stuff gets iterated on a lot. One of the primary goals was to give the player the option not to mow everyone down.
 
@VillasV don't print the types. Whatever you do, don't print the types.It might trigger the apocalypse
 
@ElimGarak clearly I didn't argue well enough having received a 2 year old picture ^^
 
@Prismatic Libunibreak sounds like a useful thing for many loungers
 
12:55 AM
well, I'm off to sleep, need to wake up in ~5 hours :(
 
so many c++ libs ive never heard of
 
boone nuit mes amis
 
later gator
 
@ScarletAmaranth time to claim it’s you, his brother
 
12:55 AM
@ScarletAmaranth wobbly hours
 
@sehe yeah, curiosity killed the cat. I was not even a big rule, just three parsers with one kleene
 
This is another annoyance right now, female clothes. All that stay classy stuff and strong woman stuff.
 
@ElimGarak ohh, nice details at the knees
 
@ElimGarak yeah my gf wears those too; can confirm they're annoyance... they get in the way :-\
 
I think he's merely rendering them
 
12:57 AM
@ElimGarak That doesnt look like a tree at all
 
It does stick out like a sore tree
 
@Borgleader Insert "but there is a bush somewhere in there" joke
 
but there is a bush somewhere in there
 

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