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8:00 PM
hmmm
 
I wonder if haskell is generic enough to allow me to generate automatic type checking from function signatures
I did it in Lundi
but here I'd probably need TemplateHaskell and that's well
oh well sounds like an adventure
 
@BartekBanachewicz ahahahaha. IRTA inserting instead of (with spaces).Well, that might be an insert mapping. It will be some dumb default config thing for Mac (as they have on windows.). Always kill the default config.
 
> My mother is a kind and gentle woman, and I love her.
My future response to all your mom jokes in the Lounge.
 
8:02 PM
hahaha
 
@ElimGarak Your mother's so easy she has sex with everybody who loves (or even likes) her.
 
My mother is a kind and gentle woman, and I love her.
 
Yeah, that won't work Garak
 
Love On Mom Test complete.
 
@ElimGarak Failure detected.
 
8:04 PM
@ElimGarak Oh you.
 
I am ashamed to admit it, but I love watching Swoozie on YouTube.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ At least you got the calling convention right <3
Finally. By the end of the year, @Nooble will figure out it's not Elim.
 
Eval.hs:101:12:
    Couldn't match expected type ‘Bool’ with
actual type ‘[Value]’
Time to implement coercions
forgive me gods of static typing
for I have sinned
 
And this guy is our Minister of Multiculturalism (and also our Minister of National Defence, because apparently you can have those two jobs at once).
 
I get two jobs, but the contrast between those two is hilarious.
 
yep said it right there
Minister of Being a Xenophobic Shit and Minister of Multiculturalism
 
8:13 PM
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fucking snackhat, with options replaced with exacting functionality
 
@ElimGarak I'm getting those much more often on OSX
 
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fapfapfap
 
@EtiennedeMartel it works, you can go for a cultural victory
AYYYYYYY
 
also wot
I just wrote [Thing] and it complained I'm returning Thing (I was missing return)
 
Wonder victory is shit. How the fuck 8 structures net you a win? I build 8 wonders to use their bonuses to crush my enemies with delight, not get a win screen.
 
8:16 PM
turns out it used the list as a monad /cc @AlexM.
One of the weirdest errors I ever got
 
this about the " thing?
 
nah, fuck that
 
Also, we need to Lounge multiplayer Rise of Nations.
 
Also woop woop it compiled
 
8:17 PM
@ElimGarak In Civ5, with Brave New World, it's no longer about building wonders, it's about getting enough tourism to offset enemy culture.
 
only half an hour to get it from "rough sketch idea" to compiling code
nice
 
I prefer to have existing compiling code and then keep compiling it whilst I'm having rough sketch ideas
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wonder if there's a F# vs Haskell comparison somewhere
I'm starting to like it :D
> Test-driven developers should feel right at home in functional languages like F#
why the fuck is microsoft not providing an F# test project template
 
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@AlexM. F# is closer to Scala or OCaml than Haskell.
 
why is "yes" starred?
 
8:27 PM
@TonyTheLion it's funny in the context I think
 
oh yea
its just weird, should have starred the message it answers
 
@AlexM. F# is way more annoying, at least for me
I couldn't write simplest programs in it
 
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@TonyTheLion yes
 
oh you
 
esp. mutability was throwing me off
I had no idea what was mutable and what wasn't
also most .NET functions are uncurried
 
8:30 PM
yea but the OOP seems to be a lot more straightforward
and it has .NET
and by straightforward I mean that I was able to define an abstract class and an extender in 5 mins
 
@AlexM. OOP in Haskell isn't that hard once you know how
 
Mutable things in F# are declared mutable
 
but sure F# is hybrid and Haskell is pure FP
with all the consequences
 
although the attribute is so ugly lol
[<AbstractClass>]
type Sensor(uniqueID : int) =
    member this.UniqueID : int = uniqueID
    abstract Type : SensorType with get
why am I able to specify abstract properties like that
but I have to use a huge attribute for abstract classes
 
> No instance for Ord Value
oh fuck.
fuck fuck fuck
fuck.
IOW "how do I compare a function to a boolean to a string to a table"
 
8:32 PM
Hm Windows seems to be remembering to what slot gamepad was assigned even if it disconnects
I wonder if that carries over to non-XBox controllers and other platforms
 
> You can use a deriving clause on a GADT-style data type declaration, but only if the data type could also have been declared in Haskell-98 syntax
oh coooome on
 
Making simple things hard since always
 
@CatPlusPlus this just looks like "we CBA to push the change to parser"
 
there's nothing reasonable preventing that
Running main...
main: Eval.hs:(102,1)-(130,22): Non-exhaustive patterns in function execStmt
first program ever ran by my VM! \o/
 
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8:39 PM
My VM is better.
 
I'd celebrate with beer but I ate sweetbread
 
that always results in anything but desirable time on the toilet
 
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@TonyTheLion alright:
 
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8:40 PM
 
ALL THE GOATS
 
@elyse or because it is too big to eat yourself.
 
UPGOATS
 
inb4 popcorn... — Mysticial 5 secs ago
 
drinking more beer wouldn't be a bad idea
 
8:41 PM
@elyse wait wasn't your language named something else than vlinder
 
it has less calories than coke that's for sure
 
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no
 
@elyse i guess this might be something new then
i can't keep up with all the languages you're supposedly making
 
@Mysticial I heard a story about super chickens recently. idk
 
@elyse I am currently teasing apart parsing and type-checking. The type checker starts out quite beautiful:
private fun typeCheck(fundef: FunctionDefinition, aboveFunction: Stack<Symbol>): Stack<Symbol> {
    var parameterScope = emptyScope
    for ((name, type) in fundef.parameters) {
        checkType(name, type)
        parameterScope = parameterScope.declareFlat(name, type)
    }
    val funtype = FunctionType(fundef.parameters.map { it.type }, fundef.returnType)
    val afterDeclarator = aboveFunction.declareFlat(fundef.name, funtype)
    typeCheck(fundef.body, emptySymbolTable.push(afterDeclarator).push(parameterScope))
But then it turns into a mess of switch-over-types and special cases :)
 
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8:44 PM
 
The "immutable symbol table" approach is quite nice, I never have to close a scope :)
 
what happens in lua when you do
function returns2() return 1,2 end
function returns3() return returns2(), 3, 4 end
it takes just the first one from returns2 right
 
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@BartekBanachewicz you get 1, 3, 4.
 
not sure, but it could well be all 4.
 
@elyse Wait, Rust? Since when?
 
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8:46 PM
Perl > Lua.
 
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@fredoverflow a few days
 
Also, what is vanilla? A new language of yours?
 
@elyse k cool, so I just need head in front
 
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Professional Pecker
 
8:49 PM
damn I need a mutable variable
6
hmpfh
 
With a skeleton crew, filming for Amazon Prime's new motoring programme has begun. http://t.co/8PaYvke5il
 
@Mysticial There was another comment that reminded me of how often one can expect an answer to a question in chat devoid of basic honesty and often for the fun of others. (obviously intended to encourage people to seek answers for themselves more than relying on others)
 
I'm back.
 
wb
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
8:55 PM
actually no!
I can just gather results into a list
it will do for now
 
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 let vals :: [[Value]] = catMaybes mVals

    case vals of
        [h:_] -> return h
> Couldn't match expected [Value] with Value
DAFUCK.
HOW. Where.
> return . return $ h
what. the. actual. goddamn. fuck
 
I am to gather a prize this Friday. The Students associations prize for good teaching.
This time it is with all the cameras and I need to have a dark suit. I don't have a proper dark suit.
 
The actual cost...
 
OH FFS WHY HASNT ANYONE TOLD ME
I HAVE A FUCKING LIST THERE
 
9:07 PM
I can't actually tell what you have there. vOv
 
@Jaden [h:_] should be (h:_) !!!
this is the 2nd time today I'm doing this
 
Well, the error message is quite clear about the problem.
 
Martin's alive?
good to know
 
@milleniumbug ueh
 
9:09 PM
fred's youtube dump?
 
oops
 
The Raid: Redemption, pretty good film.
 
Good job Ubisoft
Oneboxing a "this video is unavailable"
 
I thought I could get free stars with those CppCon videos links, but apparently I was wrong
 
9:11 PM
eh having CI is so cool
 
The "pin and star C++ videos" parade is over
 
the problem is that they're all about shit topics.
 
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Chris Jester-YoungFixed in chat build 309. (Sadly, our chat system doesn't display its active build, so it's hard to tell when you'll see the change.) Our existing comment detector only supports alphanumeric characters, underscore, ampersand, and equal signs in the query string. I've now extended it to allow dots...

wow wow
 
Last one seems interesting
 
"Gamedevs are morons", "gamedevs are morons", and "We apologize for being shit- again"
 
9:12 PM
chat actually getting fixed
 
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> The most common infected animal worldwide is the domestic sheep, caused by the blowfly, especially where conditions are hot and wet. The life cycle in sheep is typical of the disease. The female flies lay their eggs on the sheep in damp, protected areas of the body that are soaked with urine and feces, mainly the sheep's breech (buttocks). It takes approximately eight hours to a day for the eggs to hatch, depending on the conditions. Once hatched, the larvae then lacerate the skin with their mouthparts, causing open sores. Once the skin has been breached, the larvae then tunnel through th
 
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NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE
 
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If I've ever said I wanted to be a sheep, then I take that back.
 
OH MY GOD MY LUA VM CAN ACTUALLY EXECUTE CODE
 
CppFraud 2015
 
@elyse Ever heard of the human botfly?
 
user1804599
no
 
eval (AST.Bool b) = return [Boolean b]
eval AST.Nil = return [Nil]
eval AST.Ellipsis = error "how do you even eval ellipsis"
 
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and I don't want to
 
@Morwenn No, but I am quite positive I do not want to
 
9:18 PM
@elyse so many parasites living inside of you
 
@BartekBanachewicz quickly
 
So, I've been playing around with various social media apps for shits and giggles, Snapchat's comment: "Snapchat uses the phone numbers in your address book to help you find your friends. Friends who have your phone number in their address book will be able to find you on Snapchat."
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I don't want to leave my C++omfort zone
 
I am implementing eval of a call
 
9:19 PM
@AnalPhabet Are you sure? You can find videos of the extraction of a human botfly larva from an eye.
 
HAVING SOMEONE'S NUMBER DOESN'T MAKE YOU THEIR FRIEND.
 
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@BartekBanachewicz WHAT
 
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A CHAT ISSUE FIXED
 
And you don't want to leave yours
 
now i could postpone evaling of arguments
LAZY EVAL GEDDIT
 
9:19 PM
EAGER BEAVER EVAL
 
@Morwenn Kurwa zajebana mać perkele saatani vittu I'm out
 
@Morwenn dude(tte)!
 
@BartekBanachewicz You gotta store the ellipsis somewhere when the function takes it as arguments and then retrieve it when you eval ellipsis
 
@AnalPhabet I only understood the first and last words.
 
All aboard the nope train!
 
9:20 PM
Everything but eyes or balls pls
 
@Puppy I think I just have to put args into closure["arg"] variable
 
What the fuck is this UI shit? How can people be so bad at life?
 
I am not sure if that args thing is still around
 
but that's evaling it in context of function args
@Puppy oh
 
IIRC it was basically replaced with ellipsis.
but the basic principle is similar.
 
9:22 PM
so if someone writes local a = ... i have to actually take that
 
yep.
 
@ElimGarak SS or it didn't happen
 
but ellipsis is not really special in any interesting way.
it's just a place where you put function arguments and then retrieve them.
 
@Puppy but if I'm outside of a function the static AST analyzer should discard the code right
 
well, if you are outside of a function that takes ellipsis arguments
 
9:23 PM
yeah.
so that won't even eval
 
assuming no debug/eval hackery
 
I'll leave that for later, but doesn't sound terribly hard indeed
 
IDK if that's even possible in Lua, I don't recall exactly what their debug stuff is capable of
 
would need to check in new lua
I won't get 100% lua compat anyway, it's too complex
I'm aiming at a reasonable subset right now
 
@AnalPhabet There :P
 
9:26 PM
wergh :D
 
that looks more like a photograph of your physical screen than a screenshot
 
yea that was going to be my comment too
 
Hence the shits and giggles
 
also why are you not using a dark theme
 
why aren't we all using a dank theme
 
9:28 PM
I was waiting for that one
 
It's a bit too dark for me. I'd appreciate the default Atom tone.
 
:D
@ElimGarak that's racist
 
@ElimGarak Nothing can bee to dank
 
The white one literally semi-figuratively burns my eyes
 
9:29 PM
then turn the brightness down, noob
 
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Man.
 
That's sexist.
 
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Harry is now around 11 years old.
 
@Griwes My brightness is already as low as it can
 
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Eight years ago, Charlie bit his finger.
 
9:30 PM
whathuh
 
He's probably a little douche.
 
@elyse Good, now he can go to Hogwards.
 
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:P
 
Swineyard
 
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9:30 PM
> 829,050,828 views
 
And I officially don't get people
 
nice
 
@ElimGarak You don't have to.
 
also that accent is thicker than my mom's waist
 
Waiting for a D compiler aptly named "dang"
 
9:32 PM
hm this is really interesting
 
:26159753 Why'd you delete that
 
it all kinda makes sense
once you have the AST, the VM implementation is really straightforward
 
Just dump the process' memory
 
Once you have an STD,... Bah, Cicada can fill in the rest.
 
All of it
 
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9:34 PM
clang now emits smileys depending on whether your code is good or shit
 
wat
 
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exactly
 
@elyse it's not friday yet
 
user1804599
Indeed. Your point?
 
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On Friday I do this with rebecca.blackfriday.
 
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9:35 PM
Not with rrerr.net and derivatives.
 
@elyse I call dibs on (0, 1, -1)
 
@ElimGarak groan
 
@ElimGarak NOW YOU OFFICIALLY DON'T HAVE MY NUMBER
 
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hey guys check out this talk about new SFINAE tools in C++17:
 
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oops!
 
That's a song about modules. The lyrics are obvious.
 
While we're at it, you all just lost the game.
 
@Nooble That's a mean way to greet people :(
 
9:37 PM
@Morwenn Ogreed
 
@sehe just executed an airstrike and realized he bombed a village full of innocent kids.
 
An M1 Garand shot to the face is a much better option
 
@Morwenn Good evening.
 
@Nooble Do you mean that the evening is good? Or that this is a good evening?
 
@Morwenn Da.
 
9:39 PM
@Morwenn да
 
@Morwenn Si.
 
@ElimGarak get a Russian keyboard layout, m8
 
@elyse watched it any way
 
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:p
 
@Nooble Grazie
 
user1804599
9:40 PM
good
 
user1804599
you have been rickrolled
 
ty ty
 
user1804599
let the rickroll flow through you
 
reading 5.25
 
9:41 PM
@Morwenn wergh
too colorful
 
Lijepa tipkovnica, jesi je našao u septičkoj?
 
dammit what is septićkoj
 
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@Morwenn el gay bee tee
 
I actually think it's less colourful than it should be
I would appreciate a more uniform colour distribution
 
@AnalPhabet sewer
 
9:42 PM
I think it's the Optimus Maximus Keyboard.
 
oooooooh
 
user1804599
sceptical
 
hehe
 
And yeah, more colours woud be better.
 
"Nice keyboard, did you find it in the sewer?", basically
 
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9:43 PM
I want an invisible keyboard.
 
Koji će ti kurac nevidljiva tipkovnica?
 
@elyse They do make laser keyboards.
 
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X-ray lasers.
 
@Jaden no physical feedback
 
Projected keyboards are shit. Projicirane tipkovnice su sranje.
 
9:43 PM
@elyse Unhealthy
I actually start understanding Croatian now
 
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@elyse IDGI
 
ffs OSX terminal
it got stuck
so I killed it
 
user1804599
Then maybe you should think about it harder.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ctrl+Q
 
9:46 PM
when I restarted it it "loaded the previous session"
which of course made it stuck again
what a piece of crap
 
@AnalPhabet Until you get profanity in Croatian, you're not really living life to its fullest. Jebao ti bog mrtvu mater pohovanim uštipkom u pičku.
 
@elyse oh I get it somewhat
 
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THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
 
@ElimGarak profanities don't differ much in most Slavic languages :D
 
Google's translation is hilarious, tho.
Donut != uštipak.
== krofna.
 
9:47 PM
topkek @ GTranslate
 
@elyse Izigrali su nas kao jebenu violinu.
 
Nice one
We don't have that one
 
Google translate scores again:
> Tricked us like fucking violin.
 
Not the worst translation imho
but not as good as actually understanding it
 
Haha, I don't undestand anything to talks about lock-free programming.
 
9:51 PM
@elyse should the AST store the difference between call to an operator and to a function?
 
user1804599
Depends on what you want.
 
eval (AST.BinOp name lhs rhs) = eval (AST.Call (Str name) [lhs, rhs])
 
here it doesn't matter
 
user1804599
If there's a difference between e.g. a + b and +(a, b) then yes, it certainly should.
 
user1804599
9:53 PM
If identifiers can't be spelled the same as any of the operators then it doesn't matter.
 
@elyse I'll need to change the AST then
 
meh
 
it's a leftover from the original project creator
@AnalPhabet wut
 
user1804599
e.g. in F# you can name a function + like so: let ``+`` = ....
 
Ako postoji razlika između npr. `a + b` i `+(a, b)` onda da, definitivno bi trebalo.
Ako oznake ne mogu biti napisane kao bilo koji od operatora, onda nije važno.
 
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9:54 PM
And there's a difference between ``+`` a b and a + b.
 
Running main...
main: Trying to call something that doesn't eval to a function!
:3
 
user1804599
Do coroutines using forkIO.
 
forkjo
fork, yo
 
user1804599
fork, oy vey
 
IO is UI in Croatian. And UI is KS.
 
9:55 PM
@elyse why? they aren't threaded
 
user1804599
Because otherwise you need to keep your own call stack.
 
I think I want to do that
I want to have everything under my control so that e.g. my debugger could backtrack, like in Elm
 
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actually
 
> There's a theory that you can cure this by following standards, except there are more "standards" than there are things computers can actually do, and these standards are all variously improved and maligned by the personal preferences of the people coding them, so no collection of code has ever made it into the real world without doing a few dozen identical things a few dozen not even remotely similar ways.
 
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just add threading to Lua
 
Ell
9:57 PM
@ElimGarak uninput & input?
 
@Ell Ulaz / Izlaz
 
@elyse pff
 
"HEY NEW GOOGLE DOCS" loads forever
 
Pinging server on Mars, please stand by.
 
@CatPlusPlus cache size goes up by 9GB
 
9:59 PM
Access time goes up by 9 hours.
 

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