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12:00 PM
Here's some advice: if someone annoys or upsets you, plonk them. Once you've cooled of, or don't feel upset anymore, unplonk them again.
 
I FEEL UPSET
 
Hey mobile chat isn't that bad when you have a proper phone
 
it's horrible
 
I don't use mobile chat
 
wears Cat's hat
 
12:03 PM
Yeah I have a Bi-Xeon Dell phone with dual screen here it's alright
 
the starboard goes all weird
 
Shut up, I'm defending my choice
 
@fredoverflow Don't have an opinion yet
 
@Jefffrey I'm making pasta right now!
 
@fredoverflow You make pasta? Why not just buy it in a packet like everyone else?
 
12:10 PM
I did :(
 
I'm upset too, but I cannot plonk my faulty hard disk.
 
@MartinJames bin it
 
@MartinJames SSD?
 
@fredoverflow Nah - old spinner. No great loss.
@fredoverflow I was using it to dump logs from my app under test. It took a week to find out that my problems were hardware-related and not my code:(
 
@Xeo Because, as stated, an arbitrary choice was made that favours the right argument.
 
12:14 PM
@MartinJames If your program logs so much that a hard drive dies... is anyone ever going to read these monstrous logs?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes at which level? partial application?
 
After writing Haskell one eventually notices that bias.
You start thinking about order of arguments a lot more, and sometimes put them in orders that seem contrary to most people's intuition.
It's pervasive.
 
@JohanLarsson 7 minutes in and I'm almost asleep. His other talks are much more technical and interesting.
 
thanks for linking to erik meijer whoever did it
 
@Xeo You can't make instances for sections.
 
12:16 PM
I saw that he has a course on RP on coursera
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes is what I meant
 
It died in a funny way. It just started to work really slowly, but correctly, just as if there was no buffering at all, but without the driver etc reporting any errors. I had re-used an object pool in my app to communicate log objects to the logger thread and the logger thread backed up, so all the comms objects queued up to the logger, the pool empted and all my app blocked up on the empty pool.

Naturally, I assumed that all my new code was losing the objects, not a logger I had used for years:(
 
@Xeo The absence of general type-level functions as well.
(kinda the same argument but less syntactic)
 
@MartinJames I'm not the make-your-own-pasta guy. I use Linux Mint, after all :)
 
@fredoverflow There ought to be an app for that named 'lamb'
 
Xeo
12:21 PM
@LucDanton right
 
I just bought some spring lamb. Coincidence? I think not.
 
Ell
braket quit again?
 
@Ell transcript, its in there
 
@Jefffrey Yes, because of the bias that Erik alludes to. It may be the only way to implement it in Haskell, but that's because of the bias that was artificially introduced in its design. It's silly that I can have two isomorphic types that can't have instances of all the same typeclasses.
The trivial implementation is fold=in∘fold∘out, btw. Haskell arbitrarily rejects it because of its right-side bias.
 
What about those of us on mobile? You're so devicist Tony
 
12:30 PM
@Jefffrey Also, Jesus fuck, did you consider I was having lunch?
 
@Puppy sorry bout it
 
Mobile transcript is ok, really.
 
@TonyTheLion That pun
 
oh lol, I didn't even see that
 
Really? I only starred because of the pun :(
 
12:34 PM
Yes, it was unintentional
 
We haven’t covered the not-quite-as-obvious ways of turning an n-functor (with n >= 2) into a 1-functor such as Λa -> Pair a a etc have we?
 
mountain peak a
ΛΛΛΛΛ
 
@AlexM. that’s the technical term
 
 Λ
< >
 V
I made a shape!
 
you get a star for it
 
12:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I might have gone too far in a few places :3
 
Robot lynched during lunch
 
How to deal with spiders /cc @CatPlusPlus
2
 
Also note that fold' = in . fold . out (i.e., as a non-instance function) would actually be perfectly fine Haskell. It's only when inside an instance definition that it becomes unfeasible.
How is that not arbitrary?
 
@AndyProwl lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that a Scrap Your Boilerplate approach?
 
12:41 PM
@LucDanton Yeah.
 
That’s representable functors only, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
It’s not quite the whole of class Functor though.
 
@AndyProwl I like having spiders in my house, they take care of mosquitoes and stuff.
 
I'm ok with small ones
Big ones => I'll deal with mosquitoes myself
yeah, I knew it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wrong kind, it’s functor algebra/bananas and lenses and so on.
@AndyProwl you flatter me
 
@sehe That is all, yeah.
 
12:50 PM
this or
this which should I used for my next avatar?
 
-1 not enough chickens
 
o, come on, I have more pictures of the chicken posted here than my real self
 
@AndyProwl Speaking of chicken, I rewatched the Back to the Future trilogy yesterday. Still cool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes At the cinema?
 
Xeo
I rewatched it a while ago, so I didn't yesterday.
 
12:53 PM
Nah, it was sold out.
Watched it at home with friends.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How does that relate to chicken?
 
@AndyProwl ARE YOU CHICKEN?
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow ARE YOU SCHEME?
 
I see
I've only watched this movie in Italian
 
12:58 PM
@chmod711telkitty the first one has more of boobs
 
I had the same boobs on both times but
 
laffo that foldable thing
3
 
OK, I went out with one dog, came back with two. Bailey's friend, 'Pepe Le Pew', (black bitch from next farm), seems to be visiting. I'll have to take her back home later:(
 
cpx
Does the shared_ptr remains a shared pointer if I use deep copy to copy its resources over to another instance of shared_ptr?
 
It always remains a shared_ptr, unless you call release.
 
1:12 PM
No, it turns into a dead unicorn
 
What the fuck does that question even mean
 
cpx
Since each copy will be separate and doesn't get shared with other objects.
 
@cpx I think you're misunderstanding what a shared_ptr is
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that ever in doubt?
 
1:15 PM
shared_ptr with use_count() == 1 is a thing
 
cpx
Normally, when you assign a shared_ptr through assignment it adds another reference count to it.
 
@MartinJames other peoples dogs always to be so keen on being else where...
 
Now show use the code that demonstrates what you're talking about.
 
cpx
When you prevent this by using a copy constructors, the copy is no longer shared.
 
It doesn't stop being a shared_ptr
 
cpx
1:17 PM
Let me write one example.
 
Static types are static
 
Yes if you create a completely independent object it's completely independent
 
@cpx That's where lies the misunderstanding. The copy ctor is from the pointee. Not the pointer
 
well
 
@thecoshman Yeah. Happily, PLP is very friendly and Bailiey has been snipped, so no big worries. They can play in the garden for a hour.
 
1:18 PM
I routinely reverse into the exit when the traffic is sparse
including today
 
@chmod711telkitty Shhhh no one noticed
 
@chmod711telkitty You too lazy to drive round the park to get to the exit 'normally'? lol
 
@MartinJames I don't blame her I'ld do the same
 
@Rerito That's how you end up on YouTube under 'Crazy Drivers' searches..
 
why drive 200 metres when you can reverse in 10
 
1:20 PM
@chmod711telkitty That's a nice diagram!
 
thank you :p
 
@MartinJames How could it happen if there's no witness? ;)
 
@Rerito Well, I'm sure that's the case if there is no 'accident' and no cameras, nobody wanting to make money out of fines.
 
Oh @GregorMcGregor, some news about my crazy/stalker/creepy neighbor
 
Ell
I need a book on type theory
 
1:23 PM
@Ell amazon?
 
@Ell Why?
 
@Ell You probably don't
 
Ell
@fredoverflow I want to learn about it
 
@MartinJames I don't drive hehe
 
Ell
I will get one from the library :3
 
1:24 PM
@Ell All theory is grey.
(gray?)
 
Drink or drive? I don't have a license, I ain't got no choice!
 
@FilipRoséen-refp did you see this youtube.com/watch?v=gI6Qtn4US9E
 
@Rerito license to chill
 
@fredoverflow That was my favorite drunkard line... Till I got the said license (still don't drive though)
 
driving license I have bad memories about; a guy rammed into me on my 2nd ride
 
1:29 PM
I'm gonna use as many Queen lyrics as I can in comments this week.
 
I want to break; free(p);
 
cpx
Normal shared_ptr and with deep copy.
 
@Rerito Tell me
I can tell you about my crazy, greedy flatmate
@Luc periodic reminder
 
roommate or flatmate?
 
@GregorMcGregor My GF woke up this night because of the noise
 
1:32 PM
do you two share a room?
 
@GregorMcGregor You didn't find a new place?
 
@GregorMcGregor don’t care, have fondue
 
I'll be moving out in 2 weeks
 
@GregorMcGregor <3
 
She heard him saying "Rigole!" "Ahahah" "Plus fort!" "AHAHAHAH" and that kept going
 
cpx
1:32 PM
With deep copy, the resources aren't shared anymore. I think the point of shared_ptr was to maintain shared resources?
 
(Woman laughter of course)
 
@Rerito 2 people or by himself?
wtf
 
2 people
 
@cpx C++ programmers are supposed to know what they're doing, you know.
 
Yeaaaah, he's even creepier now hahaha
 
1:33 PM
@cpx Well the point of a deep copy is to make a copy...
you know a new object...
 
It's really hard to find an article on move semantics, even if written by a lead author, which doesn't confuse rvalues with rvalue references. Even if it's clear the author knows the difference, they manage to mess up in the explanation. First Bjarne, now Dietmar.
 
rvalue refs still confuse me :(
 
And then they say there's no need to actually become obsessed with details and read the Standard etc.
 
or move semantics even
@AndyProwl lol
 
@GregorMcGregor Yeah go on!
 
1:34 PM
@Rerito is it one of those old parisian buildings with the walls made of paper
 
@GregorMcGregor And lead paint, yes
 
where you can hear your neighbour blinking
that's horrible
 
neighbours shagging is worse
 
I hear them shagging
 
that's why it's great to live in a free standing house
 
1:35 PM
I had a neighbour on MSN at 3 am and couldn't sleep because I could hear the TUDUDU notification sound every 3 secs
 
apartments always reminds me of stacked up chicken cages
 
ohffs
lol msn
 
Which also mean they hear me shagging as well
 
@AndyProwl It's easy: "We fucked up C++ with grossly inappropriate bulk value copies. Quick, think of something...". "I know! We'll call it 'move semantics' and dodge some of the copying".
 
@Rerito Nice attempt to make us believe you have a sex life, Rerito
:P
 
1:37 PM
@AndyProwl If only!
 
I used to live in flats, it was awful
 
@Rerito >implying
IMPLIQUANT
 
@chmod711telkitty Yeah - stick to high-heels.
 
I'm fine with living in a flat. You just need like, real walls.
 
hong kong has not discovered walls yet
also they have this silly habit of embedding the aircon inside the window so you can hear the whole fucking street
no idea how these people manage to sleep
 
1:38 PM
I have problems with noise
 
@chmod711telkitty That and the privacy of a little garden. And the opportunity to have a home gym. Definitely need a house :(
 
the loudest thing at night in my hometown is the hedgehog farting
 
and chickens
 
Home gym I'd like to yes
 
chickens love backyard :p
 
1:38 PM
@GregorMcGregor They not been across to Kowloon?
 
@MartinJames No I mean the walls are really thin
unlike, say, Bartek's mom
too ez
 
@GregorMcGregor lol, I don't think he's around to wind up any more.
 
I should do heavy deadlifts at home, my creepy neighbor would love me
 
TIL Rerito is jacked af
too bad you have a gf
 
1:40 PM
I wanted to mount a pull-up bar but I'm afraid to screw up
 
I'd totally compile heavy templates in your bed
 
@AndyProwl Screw it down, then.
 
That might work
 
I remember when I was living by myself in this old 3 bedroom house, every morning, I would be having coffee, while staring at over grown garden. That was some awesome life :p (and yes I am a loner) :p
 
@GregorMcGregor What
 
1:41 PM
@AndyProwl Use acrows.
 
@CatPlusPlus Long winded metaphor that means there's virtually no noise at all
 
Also, WTF got a call from the bank saying someone gave them my lost wallet.
 
@MartinJames Complexity overflow
 
But yeah my neighbor is so creepy when shagging
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When did you lose it
 
1:41 PM
Based on real facts because there's a hedgehog roaming at night
But idk if he does actually fart
 
@CatPlusPlus It was stolen in June.
 
(Plus he got the perv face)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes !
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How long has it been?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Go fetch it. While you're out, your place will get burgled.
 
1:42 PM
Guess it went back to the future eh EH
6
 
I might get my Pope card back!
@CatPlusPlus hahahahaha
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Now you can get back to the past and attend unconference
(in a few minutes we'll all have memories of awesome times with Robot at unconference)
 
@AndyProwl While you're there, take all the console apps back with you.
 
1:43 PM
also with hilarious graphs
 
This is awesome! I'll bear a Pope card again!
 
Maybe whoever stole it lost it and someone else found it
 
@AndyProwl The USB shoelaces were the best..
 
@MartinJames But that was too much in the past
I was referring to last unconference
The one SOMEONE didn't attend cos free beers
:D
 
@AndyProwl Umm. who was that? :)
 
1:45 PM
Can't seem to remember
 
@chmod711telkitty And no neighbor to steal your parcels!
 
@AndyProwl I do remember that I owe you a couple beers for winning Vladspotter 2014.
 
So what about your greedy flatmate @GregorMcGregor ?
 
@MartinJames Damn, I even forgot that one
Next year
 
@AndyProwl I have a long memory for beers.
 
1:47 PM
lol
Wrocław 2016 waits for you
 
> 62 branches worth of case statements
wat
 
@Elyse neat
 
@Rerito Well he said he's refusing my offer of 960 euros for the small (9m²) room and asks for 980 instead (and he would keep the bigger room, 15 m² with double bed for 1100 euros). He has said he's not trying to double dip me, but I've seen he's posted an ad on a flatshare website where he's asking 1100 for the small room and 1270 for the big one. He's also refusing to give me back my deposit of 1150 eur.
 
ERROR_REC *wk_Error_List = new ERROR_REC[_wk_arr_size];
delete [] wk_Error_List;
wot
why
 
1:52 PM
Note that it's the flat I found but got no chance to sign the contract as I had a plane to take. So I trusted him and let him sign, he had agreed to add me to the lease when I would come back.
IOW never trust people ever again
 
@TonyTheLion see, @Andy managed to find the real WTF
 
@AndyProwl Why not
 
@Griwes lol
 
@TonyTheLion Well, not that unusual in, say, a WndProc message-handler.
 
@AndyProwl he was probably taught "always init your variables" and "never have null pointers"
 
1:53 PM
@GregorMcGregor 9sqm is not a small room, it's a big closet
 
@MartinJames yea, but surely this particular issue could have been solved in a better way
 
@AndyProwl 'I should probably have one of those for my look-up. Oh wait, I guess I don’t.'
 
@CatPlusPlus It's probably considered massive by HK standards (and has a window, even)
 
@GregorMcGregor Ghosh I thought I was being ripped off here in London.
 
@Griwes lol, EMC++ Item 43, "prefer dangling pointers to null pointers"
 
1:54 PM
@TonyTheLion Oh sure, now I've read it, it's, well, WTF?
@AndyProwl What? Where's that?
 
Ell
@AndyProwl you have got to be kidding me
 
@GregorMcGregor I overheard some one at the gym today speaking about his landlord refusing to give back the deposit. He said "OK, then I'll keep a key and stay, good luck with the expulsion procedure". Vive la France :p
 
@MartinJames It was a joke
 
user1804599
@AnalPhabet even if f throws an exception, it can optimise out the malloc.
 
guiise it's a jowkez
 
1:55 PM
It's funny because it could be true
 
user1804599
clang optimises void f() { malloc(10); } to void f() { }.
 
@Rerito This flat has a digital key, I can't overstay.
 
lol, so gullible.
 
Otherwise I'd have done that too
 
@fredoverflow queuing up a tab
 
1:56 PM
Steal enough to cover the deposit.
 
@GregorMcGregor Is it at least a fairly modern flat?
 
@AndyProwl Oh... my humour is a bit off today: '@MartinJames This is bad, I should flag for "low quality humour"..
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Considering that too and/or breaking stuff but not sure that would be very constructive
 
@MartinJames Need more beer!
 
Considering putting a trojan on his PC for extended funsies
 
1:56 PM
@GregorMcGregor And I'ld bet they move people out much faster than here
 
Or accidentally drop it in the bathtub
@Rerito Nah there is also a fairly long expulsion procedure
I've asked :p
 
Also I'm not sure I understood why 'two-dimensional array'
 
@GregorMcGregor You could register his email to pr0n newlsetters. It's highly cost-effective
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes never again :(
 
it looks like a one-dimensional array to me
maybe he meant something different
 
1:58 PM
That's because there is a hidden dimension we humans can't perceive
Have you heard of std::string theory
 
In the UK there is a "deposit scheme", where the landlord puts deposit money in a special bank account he cannot access, and when time comes to move out, if there's any discussion, the third party that presides over the deposit account is a mediator.
 
Also, my landlady is a greedy bitch as well
 
Well if he really doesn't give my deposit back I'll file a case with the police and also alert management that he is subletting, which is illegal, so they'll suspend his contract.
Hopefully
 
Ahahaha tubyube implemented subscription service and of course you pay tubyube not content creators
 
jewtube
 
1:59 PM
screwtube
 
> tubyube
lel
 

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