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10:00 AM
> drawn
picks up pencil
 
@GregorMcGregor Wonder where, I'm not aware I committed something "into the wild"
 
I am watching his primary school C++ tutorial (sizeof)
 
@GregorMcGregor o_0 what is the proper spelling for that then?
inked?
painted?
 
@Rerito Well, could be someone else, who has the same avatar and lives in Paris and is a programmer.
 
I’ll make a supply run to take my mind off the game (yeah right) and stock up for the week-end.
 
10:02 AM
@GregorMcGregor Pretty unlikely
 
@LucDanton Are you playing right now
@Rerito Hence
 
@GregorMcGregor Naw, but once I get back I think
@Rerito How come, is it your own art?
 
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Twitter suggests me I follow DHH. :(
 
@LucDanton Nope, but the characteristics are quite narrow
Same avatar, same area, same job
 
That's flippant @Elyse. It's clearly not a dupe, all wittiness aside — sehe 13 secs ago
 
10:03 AM
bby you know what else is quite narrow
 
SO is not for your games
 
your mind?
 
@chmod711telkitty Says the expert!
 
@GregorMcGregor Is that "trololololo" singer guy in his twenties?
 
yes, I can read people's mind by stalking em across the interweb
 
10:05 AM
@sehe It's Canadian actor Michael Cera
 
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@GregorMcGregor your corset
 
🎺 🎺 🎺
am I doing it right
 
@GregorMcGregor Remarkable resemblance!
 
sehe pls turn your screen on
 
@LucDanton I hear you
@GregorMcGregor screen DR // Aborted (core dumped) (attach from inside screen session?)
 
10:07 AM
nerd
 
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I wonder what happens if I start Emacs inside Emacs.
 
the universe reverses entropy and collapses
 
> Andrey and Charles are correct. Buried in 3.9.2/3: "Except for pointers to static members, text referring to “pointers” does not apply to pointers to members" – Michael Burr Nov 19 '09 at 18:50
TIL
 
It’s a shame those partition diagrams never took off
 
10:09 AM
Why do posts like that get lost. It's more informative to see the "wrong" answer together with the wrongness. Maybe we should have it reopened as C-Wiki
 
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:D :D :D
 
dat domain name
 
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Kim Jong-deux connected to the Fritzl Box.
 
rightfold is getting really dark
 
10:12 AM
21
Q: What are the 15 classifications of types in C++?

Trevor HickeyDuring a CppCon2014 conference talk by Walter E. Brown, he states that there are 15 classifications of types in C++ that the standard describes. "15 partitions of the universe of C++ types." "void is one of them." -- Walter E. Brown. What are the other 14? While digging through the stand...

 
HH and his diagram in the comments (pdf)
 
M-x term
?
 
Good morning
 
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M-x ansi-term
 
10:14 AM
@LucDanton very cool!
@LucDanton Spotted it
 
@LucDanton I wonder who this guy is, for some reason he follows me on github
 
@Elyse oh god
 
@sehe Useful stuff to know when you are partitioning your overloads manually etc.
 
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@sehe ???
 
Guys, question.
Lua says to only open one lua_State per thread
 
10:19 AM
@sehe By the way, there is plugin for Firefox it's all text (perhaps other browsers have something similar). It adds hotkey command which when pressed copies currently edited text area to file and launches your editor, and when you save file - it inserts it back into text area in web browser.
 
We have C++ functions attached into the current (and so far, only) lua_State we have active
 
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@ThePhD lol fail
 
Inside the C++ functions that are called from lua, we want errors thrown in those functions to be turned into lua errors in a proper manner.
Problem is, to do this, it requires the lua_State*, which the hooked function doesn't necessarily know about.
 
@Elyse lame puns
 
Am I justified in creating a thread-local global that functions being called by lua are allowed to access?
 
10:20 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk I know. I used that when I still used FFox. Meaning ~5 years ago
@EvgenyPanasyuk (interesting reply arrow too :))
And hi! Long time no seen
 
@Nooble Binaries on github? Isn't that a bit unusual?
 
Hi:) I am not regular guest here.
 
Welcome to the Lounge.
 
run away while you still can
 
Wait, not regular? Are you at least context-free?
 
10:22 AM
bartek has not yet arrived
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk Other browsers mainly have awesome vim-like plugins - which do /everything/ except text editing in input boxes (would you believe that)
 
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@ThePhD Reimplement Lua instead of using the official implementation, and add blackjack parallelism and hookers Boost.Coroutine-based coroutine implementation.
 
@fredoverflow He's an awesome coder (but) with time-management skills.
 
@sehe My procrastination goes into other places :)
 
@Elyse So.... thread-local. Got it.
 
10:24 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Oh good. So you're human after all
 
Surprise!
 
@sehe You know him?
 
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Lua is really awesome.
 
user1804599
It has both stackful coroutines and proper tail calls.
 
Is it... luanderful?
 
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10:25 AM
So sad it doesn't support parallelism. :(
 
parallelism is overrated
 
overrating is overrated
 
@fredoverflow We all do. But yeah, I know him from here
 
I am going grocery shopping - I have been saying this to myself for the past 45 minutes, but sometimes, it just feels like that internet just draws me and drains all my energy & I become exhausted & not wanting to go out. Internet: evil evil place.
 
Ergh.
This really bites.
Unless someone captures the current lua state or something, there's no way to properly luaL_error
 
10:30 AM
@Griwes overriding is overrated
 
Plus it doesn't guarantee stack unwinding.
I'm just going to have to manually swallow exceptions and pray this is the behavior desired.
 
@chmod711telkitty Bartek's Haskell praise has turned you lazy!
 
@fredoverflow overrating is overridden
 
@sehe I like Vim's approach for text editing, though haven't mastered it yet. Emacs has awful default editing key-bindings, but easy extensible and configurable.
 
10:32 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Oh. You can start being jealous by watching my live streams. It's vim only and 99% c++ livecoding.tv/sehe (experiment)
@fredoverflow ELISTTOOSMALL
It's immediately apparent when it loops
 
@sehe I already saw some of them - nice job!
 
What. I didn't expect that
I mean. Who actually watches livestreams (outside my friends who knew it from the lounge) :)
 
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yummy
 
user1804599
sugar cane
 
You better like it. There's no escaping the smell in your surroundings
 
10:35 AM
Jul 1 at 19:23, by Evgeny Panasyuk
@sehe Nice livestreams! What completion engine do you use? Is it something clang-based, like clang_complete?
 
Oh. I should buy more memory
 
I was especially interested to see how Vim + C++ looks like.
 
I'm surprised you're not a convertee yet :) (jk)
 
Is vim better than emacs?
 
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10:37 AM
No.
 
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They are equally good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes phew. Not a "global signout page" this time!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would be awesome.
 
w00t!
 
By the way, afaik C++ Builder (Embarcadero) already integrated Clang.
 
10:38 AM
We discovered a truly remarkable consensus on contracts that this tweet is too small to contain...
this too. A grand surge of optimism in the land
 
I bought a ticket for Jimmy Carr - Funny Business!
Here in Prague, though far in the future, 1.4.2016.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk That was because it was the only way to risk survival?
 
Perhaps, I think.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 Office for Linux
and others
 
I used to love Borland IDEs. Yet when I asked for it in preference of Visual Studio back in 1998 that was already a bit foolish, in retrospect.
 
10:40 AM
Sweet deal.
I can now catch C++ exceptiions thrown in a C++ exception bound to lua
and report it regularly using lua's error reporting mechanisms.
 
Basically, Borland IDEs were like WordPerfect, Corel, Harvard Graphics and Lotus: none of them aged well into the Windows era
 
I think that covers that person's qualms.
 
@sehe Emacs has Vim emulation mode for text editing - Evil. And there are several success stories from diehard Vim users who use this mode: 1, 2
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I know. I've used that. But I had no reason to stick with them. Because, it's basically Vim but with more of adaptations than without using Emacs
 
@fredoverflow You can use GitHub LFS for binaries.
 
10:46 AM
@Nooble Does 1MB count as "large" as in LFS? :)
 
@fredoverflow Oh don't worry, size doesn't matter ;)
 
@Nooble It doesn't? But then my video about sizeof would have been for nothing :(
 
Only in Haskell ... http://t.co/wsWHz7iLr7
This will summon him
 
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> In the computer science subfield of algorithmic information theory, a Chaitin constant (Chaitin omega number)[1] or halting probability is a real number that informally represents the probability that a randomly constructed program will halt.
 
@fredoverflow Hehe.
 
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10:50 AM
How do people come up with this.
 
@Elyse Too much time and not enough women, probably.
 
@sehe whom
@krisajenkins @headinthebox @andyjss there's only one way to write these instances that typechecks.
 
I'm actually interested as to why length on a pair returns 1.
I lost that little bit of Haskell I had in me
 
@Jefffrey because Foldable for it works only on first element
also who is this Eric Meijer guy
 
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean?
 
10:57 AM
Erik Meijer (born 18 April 1963, Curaçao) is a Dutch computer scientist and entrepreneur. From 2000 to early 2013 he was a software architect for Microsoft where he headed the Cloud Programmability Team. He then founded Applied Duality Inc. in 2013. Before that, he was an associate professor at Utrecht University. He received his Ph.D. from Nijmegen University in 1992. Meijer's research has included the areas of functional programming (particularly Haskell) compiler implementation, parsing, programming language design, XML, and foreign function interfaces. His work at Microsoft included C#, Visual...
 
because he seems to lack fundamental knowledge about Haskell
 
Shouldn't it still return 5?
 
At this point, @SwiftLang is probably a better, and more valuable, vehicle for learning functional programming than Haskell.
 
@Jefffrey No. (a,b) is similar to [b]
you can only map on one element
 
10:59 AM
namely, one of the pair elements
 
@TonyTheLion oh heck no, I don't want cargo crate programmers learning that garbage
 
heheh
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I've no idea why he would say the things he's saying then
 
dang, guild will have ~1k influence left over oh well
 
@bitemyapp @krisajenkins @andyjss @jnfrd so favoring the second or right part is an arbitrary tiebreaker.
this is just bullshit
doesn't he know how (,) is defined?
there is no favor. The way it's implemented is the only possible way.
It's either uneducated blabber, or rant in disguise, and if Eric is indeed as smart as he seems to be, I bet on the latter.
 
11:01 AM
IT'S ON!
 
> I think it's a real shame that you're playing into the indigenous anti-intellectual culture
> just so you can have some fun on Twitter and try to stay relevant.
Called it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ITT Barnachewicz doens't know who Erik Meijer is
5
 
But why?
What's the purpose of making a pair foldable?
It doesn't sound foldable
@GregorMcGregor You don't ping the guy while doing a ITT
 
@Jefffrey Just as any data D a = D a
 
Nobody reads the rules anymore
@BartekBanachewicz What?
 
11:03 AM
you can fold over any parametrized datatype really
@Jefffrey I'm p sure you can derive foldable for that
 
@Jefffrey No!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then why not make it for (,,) too?
 
@Jefffrey oh wait
@TonyTheLion 500 error
 
yea its flaky
 
11:07 AM
@GregorMcGregor I remember him vaguely from some talk I watched. So what? He's acting like such a twat on twitter...
 
Er, you're wrong. It's not the only way to implement it and the proof is trivial.
 
twat -> twitter
 
Consider the iso (swap, swap). QED
 
> {- Manuel says: Including one more declaration gives a segmentation fault.
Way to go Manuel
 
@headinthebox @krisajenkins @andyjss @jnfrd types in Haskell aren't prepended with, "under isomorphism, pick your iso"
 
lolwut
Do I have to write the other implementation to show you how yours is not the only one?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why bother
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk TIL wolverine uses vim
 
He's right. This is too trivial.
 
11:11 AM
He is not hearing you
 
I know. Just pointing out.
 
Just plonk him already
 
true enough. Should have done that a while ago.
@R.MartinhoFernandes who's right?
 
I don't see how, so I'd gladly see your implementation.
 
11:12 AM
Luc!
Use the force
 
LUUUCC!
 
Lucwars 2
 
Lucky Luc
 
Luc Wars 2: The Plonk Unleashed
 
11:13 AM
type constructors in Haskell are curried.
 
So is Indian food
How does that prove anything
 
Indian food sucks.
 
I'm done with this room god damn it.
 
Just like type constructors in Haskell
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll be in the haskell room if you want to discuss that further.
 
11:14 AM
@BartekBanachewicz pls no don't get angry
 
Wait
 
@Bartek pls stay ;_;
 
Bartek
Come on
 
11:14 AM
> OMG people disagree with me too much, kthxbye
 
You are just pissed at robot
 
jeez, teenagers
 
I haven't done anything
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are belittling him
 
@Jefffrey and Bartek has never done that to anybody
 
You are breaking rule #1 of a good discussion
@TonyTheLion He has, not today this time
Does Luc have a sister?
 
11:16 AM
He left. The discussion is over.
 
@Jefffrey yes, Leia
 
@GregorMcGregor Alright, final preparations done. Guild queue set, ascended weapons in bank, characters parked outside of LA to avoid lag/loading, food & boosters at the ready.
 
and a father too
 
Who's the mother, though?
 
11:16 AM
Anaki?
Nope
 
@fredoverflow Its a mystery
 
@LucDanton good thinking on the parking
 
-5
Q: Visual Studio runs unwanted code

Shaul AharonHow can I make Visual Studio run a certain item in a project? I have two items and it runs the first item I created every time. I'm using VS 2013

 
Sweet mother of God, I got my SW wrong
 
Wow, that Chris Allen really went nuts too.
 
11:17 AM
Possible TV Spinoff? How Vader met Luke's mother
 
spotlights: done
 
@orlp Can I read the book??
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Come on, let's go to the Haskell room. That discussion was interesting.
 
11:19 AM
I just said before that I don't think it is.
That's what trivial implies.
 
Can you write that trivial example for me?
I can't really imagine it
 
It's only interesting if you don't know what arbitrary means, I guess.
The only reason for the way Haskell did it this way is "Haskell did it this way".
 
Given that (a, b) is really (,) a b and you would define foldable for ((,) a)
How would you work around that?
 
It's the same thing people say to justify JS's ==
 
@Luc BTW if I haven't had the luck in the past to mention that I hate you about this, please be informed that I hate you about this
 
11:24 AM
@GregorMcGregor dw when I’m exploring the jungle I’ll send you periodic reminders that I’m doing so
 
much appreciated
> NEW MESSAGE - from Luc
> Hi Ethan, Two of my flatshares are going to be available in Mid- Nov [...]
You are a very wealthy person
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why does JavaScript have both == and ===, anyway?
 
> big room good location furished no south asia
 
@fredoverflow The former because stringly-typing is a feature, the latter because it’s not.
@GregorMcGregor likely orbital habitat then
 
Well, that was different. I had a hard disk 'fail' in a new and unusual manner. Generating no aparrent errors, it just started to operate REALLY SLOWLY, causing weird problems for my testing, (I assumed, not unreasonably, that my app under test had bugs). I formatted the thing with no problems, reloaded the drivers etc, but no. I physically moved the unit to another computer and the fault moved with it. Where's my sledgehammer?
 
11:33 AM
@MartinJames shred it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you sure you have that trivial example right?
 
@TonyTheLion lol, should have been standard equipment years ago when IBM 2.5" SCSI disks were umm 'in their prime' re. reliability.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm asking because people on #haskell say it's not possible at the moment
They say you would at least have to have a newtype
 
@Jefffrey nice fonts and stuff
 
So I'm even more intrigued on what you have to offer
@fredoverflow That's LimeChat :)
 
11:42 AM
it seems it's an OS X app
so it has to look good
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey instance Foldable (a,) is the current, and you'd need instance Foldable (,b), which is not possible currently IIRC (without a newtype)
 
@BartekBanachewicz gosh. You say that when people do "WAT" talks on Javascript and C++ too?
 
@AlexM. It's actually one of the worst looking apps I have
 
I knew it would hit the right nerve
 
35 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Er, you're wrong. It's not the only way to implement it and the proof is trivial.
Do you perhaps know what he is referring to here?
And here:
32 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Do I have to write the other implementation to show you how yours is not the only one?
I'm really interested because I was once trying to generalize the concept of monad transformers and got stuck in a problem similar to this one.
 
Xeo
11:45 AM
hahaha, Braket ragequit again?
 
the truth is
you guys breathe drama like air
I can't remember a day without arguments here
 
Xeo
dunno
I don't pay too much attention
 
was there drama
 
well by drama I mean people intensifying
 
by people you mean Bartek?
ie one person
 
11:48 AM
well lrio would also intensify often but he's gone
 
so who's the problem then?
 
wait wot Bartek ragequit?
 
yea, because robot disagreed with him
 
I think robot is in the wrong here
 
was there kicking and stuff?
 
11:49 AM
No
 
@AndyProwl nope
 
you could just leave bartek alone you know
 
@TonyTheLion Lemme guess, something to do with Haskell..
 
@MartinJames yes
 
I mean he's intensifiable and everyone knows it
 
11:49 AM
I would have intensified too
 
lol
 
I don't know who was right or wrong on the technical side of things, but Bartek quitting because Robot disagreed with him is childish
 
There was a clean discussion going on, robot stormed in with his point that an implementation different from the one Haskell chose to adopt was "trivial" to implement, when bartek asked him to provide it luc got in telling him "why bother" and robot just abandoned with "yeah, it's too trivial".
2
 
yeah bartek has childish reactions
 
11:51 AM
It's so trivial nobody knows what he is talking about apparently
 
but arguments with him don't lead anywhere so personally I'd just answer "ok" and leave him alone
 
you're in a chat on the Internet, thinking everyone will just always agree with you is not smart
 
@TonyTheLion That's not what happened. Him disagreeing is not the reason why he left.
 
Winding up Barteks is a sorta Lounge passtime.
 
That's the reason robot posted.
A little biased maybe? :P
 
11:51 AM
@Jefffrey so what is the problem then?
 
@JohanLarsson You like Brian Goetz, don't you?
 
@AlexM. ok
 
1 min ago, by Jefffrey
There was a clean discussion going on, robot stormed in with his point that an implementation different from the one Haskell chose to adopt was "trivial" to implement, when bartek asked him to provide it luc got in telling him "why bother" and robot just abandoned with "yeah, it's too trivial".
 
I think robot is the one behaving like a child here.
 
11:53 AM
can we just move on like adults
 
@Jefffrey I see no problem with what robot said. He said he found it trivial to solve said problem and didn't want to implement it. Why is that wrong?
 
@GregorMcGregor Ignoring problems is not what adults do
 
Interesting, but irrelevant as the parameter in question is Microsoft specific and write() on Windows is not a system call but rather built on WIN32. — Mgetz 2 mins ago
 
conflating moving on with ignoring is very childish
are you even an adult
 
@TonyTheLion (because it's not trivial and probably this implementation doesn't exist but he will never admit it now)
 
11:54 AM
@Jefffrey ok fine, is that a reason to quit?
 
Wow, I'm glad my Haskell knowledge could be contained inside a hydrogen nucleus. I can't be held responsible for anything:)
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, definitely.
 
I know that most of you like to have this facade where you just show that you don't care.
I get it.
 
Not me. I honestly don't care.
I don't even know what you guys are talking about.
Foldable this, Currying that...
 
11:55 AM
what would the that pointer look like if it existed
 
Saying something wrong (probably) and not assuming your responsibility over it makes other people upset.
Especially when you later just decide to ignore any attempt to friendly say you are wrong
Also fuck it's 14 and I have yet to eat pasta
fuck
 
lol you make it sounds like you have a daily pasta quota
 
my pasta level is so low
 
I missed drama again :(
 
i might stop being italian any moment now
 
11:57 AM
looking at the transcript is not the same thing
 
you wanna experience it live huh?
 
yeah
 
BREAKING NEWS: Lounge drama. We cover it as it unfolds.
3
 
it's like watching a recorded football match when everybody else already knows the result and is discussing the salient episodes
 
Just so long as it doesn't unfold to a vagina.
 

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