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11:00 AM
y u no puppy::erase_remove
 
I simply don't use erase-remove often.
 
Ell
doesn't matter
 
You should totally have a puppy namespace.
 
lol
a'la annex/wheels/etc?
 
Doesn't matter. As long as it's named puppy.
Btw, fuck Broadcom.
 
11:06 AM
the ... wifi chip vendor?
 
In this case, I'm having trouble with their Ethernet adapter.
Which is bordering on unbelievable.
 
just use 'I' : I::string I::map
 
manufacturing defects occur with all companies
what problem are you having, exactly?
 
it's short & personal
 
@Puppy Nah, here it's just them sucking at drivers, as usual.
How do you fuck up an Ethernet driver.
 
11:09 AM
The same way you fuck up any other driver
By writing it
 
I could stick my various utility stuff in puppy rather than Wide::Util
 
Xeo
spacex launch in 8 minutes
 
you could also call it poodle
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, that's how Broadcom works.
 
Can't be worse than printer drivers
 
11:11 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or doesn't work, as the case may be.
 
@Xeo Oh - they gonna try that thing. If it's going to fail, I hope it's not a KSP-style launch-pad 'incident'.
 
I'm telling you, I don't know why the game likes to put the parachute and the main engine on the same stage.
 
@Puppy lol - first one to get dropped off?
 
no, it fires the engine and deploys the parachute simultaneously.
 
@Puppy Err oh, that's 'interesting':)
 
11:17 AM
Wait, I'm going to blame Debian instead of Broadcom.
This has been fixed in the kernel eight versions ago.
The stock kernel is fourteen versions old. Piece of shit.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun solved it
 
Xeo
aaaaand launch aborted
time to go eat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you don't mind systemd you can run testing
 
...or (U|Lu|Xu|Ku)buntu.
 
user1804599
Holaaaaa.
 
11:23 AM
lol buntu
No don't
 
user1804599
The countdown has aborted for today's launch attempt of @SpaceX #ISScargo mission to @Space_Station.
 
It's stuck..
 
user1804599
 
rightfold you use Scala
What do you use for DI
 
user1804599
11:26 AM
@CatPlusPlus Sometimes reader monad, sometimes currying, sometimes constructor arguments.
 
I don't want to wire shit up manually
 
user1804599
I believe there is a tool that does it automatically for you.
 
user1804599
Dunno. I always wire manually.
 
Woah, nasa has 8.45M followers
 
user1804599
11:27 AM
Meh Play.
 
Weirdo
 
Well, at least it didn't blow up, (SpaceX vehicle, not robot's driver).
 
I like how everything on that page is describes as "lightweight" except Spring
Which is "popular"
 
user1804599
I don't like libraries that require you to use a certain directory structure for your code especially when it's not Maven's.
 
user1804599
Where "require" is as loose as "doesn't document any other possible way to do it."
 
11:29 AM
Like what
Haven't seen an IoC framework that would do that
 
user1804599
Like Play.
 
Oh
I doubt it's baked in
 
user1804599
Couldn't find any other documentation. Anyway gotta go bye.
 
Plus default looks sensible so whatever
I'd be using SBT anyway
 
is it possible to gain a lot of weight on a long space mission?
 
11:32 AM
@CatPlusPlus and Activator
 
what a stupid question
 
which is "local"
 
of course it's possible
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's a scaffolding tool though
 
It's very hard to gain weight without gravity
 
11:33 AM
@CatPlusPlus so
 
> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'genre' referenced before assignment
Another day, another set of fun error notifications
 
@HansKlünder just an incredibly unhealthy diet will do?
 
fine ... is it possible to accumulate a lot more mass on a long space mission
 
@chmod711telkitty A trip to Jupiter should do it.
 
or does your metabolism suddenly stop in space?
 
11:34 AM
Gain mass? You would have to eat your spacecraft.
 
> US company SpaceX has postponed an experiment to bring part of its Falcon rocket down to a soft landing on a floating sea platform.
ooh
 
@orlp no, not at all, just my mass has no weight then.
 
@MartinJames Or some of the supplies stored aboard it.
 
HAHA I TOTALLY KNOW PHYSICS
 
@orlp but the return to earth will be really sad
 
11:36 AM
The service gantry retracted.... the service gantry unretracted.
 
> Stephen Fry has confirmed he is to marry his partner, Elliott Spencer. Comedian and writer Fry, 57, has given formal notice to wed Mr Spencer, 27, at a register office in Dereham, Norfolk, near where he grew up
complete disgrace
God shall strike them down
thirty-year age gap!
When Fry was Spencer's age now, Spencer wasn't even born yet
 
'The company will now try for a launch on Friday.'
 
> Honor "CampelHumps" words settings
 
Still, not as bad as the Yank who's having a kid with his granny
 
Let's just hope there is no such evil thing as a god that strikes down Fry.
He has red the Harry Potter books in a way that hearing them is really great even if the literature itself has some weaknesses.
I would regret his death.
 
11:42 AM
'We lost telemetry with the launch vehicle 10 seconds before launch - the Broadcom driver crashed'.
 
I rather hope they have some children who will really enjoy when he reads them good night stories
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I've edited my answer yesterday and added presenting single-dimensional view to stdlib algorithms as one of the solutions.
@HansKlünder I don't see any case where it's useful. Have you created your example yesterday? Was it solved? Can you link me to it?
 
> I never once downvoted a single answer of Vlad before
lol /cc @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
@BartekBanachewicz, I posted the link in the lounge yesterfday. I'll search it in case you missed it. However, that will probably in about an hour, since I have to leave in between.
 
I'll find it
also time to review a PR
 
11:46 AM
I don't think I can take much more Vlad.
 
@Jefffrey that's true, at least not intentionally and certainly not because he's Vlad.
I remember him on the room and I remember it being hilarious and a lot of bad drama too but I never once seeked out an answer by Vlad to downvote it intentionally.
 
none of us have or did; he just posts so many that are downvote-worthy
 
oooh, I think this new 7mm thinHDD might be very nice for the likes of Raspberry Pis
 
The fuck does it mean to vote non-intentionally?
 
It means to vote without being aware he is the user.
@Puppy I didn't say you did and I also believe you - if his other stuff is as bad as that question it's only likely.
 
11:49 AM
Woah you can turn off implicit conversions in Scala
 
Oh yeah, me neither.
 
@CatPlusPlus wait what?
 
Never voted against Vlad.
24 hours ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Can we please delete vote Vlad's dumb post?
 
Well, your answer on that meta post implies that people are ganging on him - in truth I don't really know Vlad or care that much about him.. I only remember he was really dramatic in the room and it made me laugh.
 
Not even here? ^
 
11:50 AM
Oh definitely there - I said that in my comment too - that post was an exception.
 
@HansKlünder He is going to die one day, one way or another.
 
which meta question?
 
It was insanely retarded to just lash out at the C++ committee members for no reason.
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Q: Dealing with contributing but abusive users

Benjamin Gruenbaumtl;dr How can I as a user deal with content of users who are helpful in general but leave abusive comments and/or answers? Is there anything I can do to help mitigate the problem when I run into such an answer? An anecdote So, today in chat I ran into an answer that starts with: Though ...

 
And what is going on here? :
23 hours ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
@sehe yes, his comment on Vlad's answer is from 44 minutes ago, just before the downvote.
 
11:52 AM
@CatPlusPlus not sure if really cool or really confusing.
 
So, at least we have asserted that "never" is not the proper word to use there.
 
It's just disallowing definition until explicitly enabled, but that's something
 
I have to say that his comments on the Committee don't seem out of line to me at all.
 
@Jefffrey Keyword before. I did not downvote Vlad (that I'm aware of) nor did I target downvote Vlad before that post. I may be forgetting something but I'm pretty sure that's the case.
 
Also heh continuations
 
11:53 AM
as somebody who actually tried to work with those guys :P
 
@Puppy you don't think calling them "people without a brain" in main SO where hundreds of people read is not appropriate?
 
no, I don't think that.
 
I still wonder who started to downvote me serially some days ago
I never replied to Vladislav
hmm
 
hi all. I'm trying to create a class that wraps a std::function. It looks kinda like template <typename ...Args> class Thing { ... std::function<void(Args...)> m_func; }; This doesn't work when the template argument is void (ie. Thing<void>). What's the correct way to allow for a void type?
 
no.
 
11:56 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum So, wait, are you saying that this post was sent after your meta question? I don't understand.
 
@Puppy that's fine, I do find them inappropriate and it seems like the community consensus. We can disagree on stuff.
@Jefffrey by "before" I mean "before the post on Stack Overflow" (the one where he called them brainless" not before the meta post.
I have to go do work stuff now, we'll catch up later. See ya.
 
To clarify - I never once downvoted a single answer of Vlad before, I knew he had chat history in the Lounge chat room but I wasn't picking on him - do note that initially all I did was edit the post and not downvote. I'm also not playing the victim here - if anything this question is not about not driving him away but rather fixing the problematic behavior bits. — Benjamin Gruenbaum 2 hours ago
Here there's no mention of that when you use "before". Neither explicit nor implicit.
 
> Public Menace
Rack up $47,000 in penalties during a single story case.
I hate achievements like this
that require you to play badly
they make no sense
 
Ell
I don't understand dependency injection
 
good. keep it that way :/
religion is frequently unhealthy
 
12:01 PM
@Alex Dungeons of Dredmor has an achievement for crashing the game.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do people still get it or did they fix the game?
I got it some days after release :D
I thought it was a nice touch
the achievement IIRC is also hidden
so you can do 100% without it
you can't do 100% without the one above
 
not realizing it was indeed one of vlad's?
not too complicated
 
Complicated for my little brain, that's for sure.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum was he ever here?
@Jefffrey it's me checking whether Benj's claim that LRIO might have been retaliated was even historically sound
@Puppy they were misplaced and inappropriate in an answer that wasn't about the committee or the quality thereof
@BenjaminGruenbaum did he? I saw "the low qualification of c-tee members"
 
Good luck with that. The reason we mock and mass downvote him now is because he was highly abusive to us when we engaged with him reasonably when he first arrived. — Puppy 7 mins ago
 
Xeo
12:06 PM
@Pris Specify nothing?
 
> we engaged with him reasonably
ahahahahah /cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
We were all terrible towards Vlad. At least don't bitch about it when he fights back.
 
@Pris there's an awesome site nearby where questions and answers are openly exchanged. Perhaps you know it: Stack Overflow
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey And Vlad is a totally nice and reasonable guy when left alone. Right.
 
12:08 PM
No, he is not.
But I don't see him whining on meta.
 
well one of the two sides needs to be eliminated, or the conflict stopped by a third party
 
I mean, seriously.
 
if people don't like each other they'll bring up shit even during peacetime
 
@Jefffrey Only after the fact- not before.
 
The guy probably got around -1000 reputation from all the bashing that happened here. And Benjamin is the one complaining for a couple of revenge downvotes?
 
12:10 PM
@Jefffrey He's not that type. He's the rage-quitting/silent revenge voting type.
 
they were not revenge downvotes.
the quantity of rep lost isn't what matters.
 
What were not
 
as far as I'm aware, nobody here revenge downvoted Vlad.
 
@Puppy huh - who are you talking to?
 
Jefffrey
 
12:11 PM
@Puppy Read my message again.
 
@Puppy Ah, I missed his message.
@Jefffrey Needs a lot of proof to become anywhere near plausible
 
@Jefffrey I did read it again. Your message mentions nothing about the motivations for the downvotes.
 
@Puppy I'm not claiming someone revenge downvoted Vlad.
I'm claiming that Vlad revenge downvoted Benjamin.
 
then nobody cares about how much rep he lost from us bashing him, since he deserved to lose that rep.
 
Which is the premise Benjamin himself gave in his question.
 
12:13 PM
may be you should just leave vlad alone?
 
Maybe we should just downvote him (when the answer is not useful or wrong) and stop posting comments explaining the downvotes?
I've downvoted Vlad multiple times because his answers were not good in my opinion. Never (or no time that I recall) have I ever been revenge downvoted in the same day.
 
the problem is that other users won't understand the problems with his answers.
 
Also, I think that some times I've even commented about the downvote and still received no revenge downvotes.
 
@Puppy you say that as if other users have no clue of what's going on
 
I have no record in my memory of him being an ass to me.
 
12:16 PM
you probably weren't around when he first showed up
maybe he's a nicer guy now
 
I got a firefoxos phone recently
 
@Puppy You mean that I wasn't here the exact minutes of the first encounter or that near the day of the first encounter I wasn't active on this chat?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That's precisely the case. THat's talking about the quality of answers, only.
 
@sehe sometimes I guess it's just better to downvote and post a better answer
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix all the time. But many times that is not an option (a) because you don't know (b) many "good" (less wrong) answers abound (c) you don't have the time (d) you just don't wanna.
 
12:22 PM
you can always make write something to counter attack in your own answer without being explicit
 
It's simple: you can't keep picking up after people. Sometimes you have to teach them to keep the streets tidy
 
often (d) and (c)
 
Vlad, Vlad, Vlad, Vlad.... Will no one rid me of this turbulent Muscovite?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Well. That's reality. Although on Vlads answers, it's predominantly (b)
@MartinJames is that similar to flatulent?
 
KILL ME NOW PLEASE.
 
12:24 PM
Where are you?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you thought about how would you like to die?
 
@Jefffrey As far as I'm aware, he posted a pretty bad answer, he was criticised by a Lounger, and when he responded by flaming them, he got Lounged.
so if you weren't in the Lounge at the time you may not have seen it.
as far as I recall that was first contact
 
AFAIK Vlad was known before SO
 
Why all this chat about revenge downvotes today?
 
In the C++ future proposals google group to be exact.
 
12:26 PM
@sehe Did you try the IoC thing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me first.
 
about fxos it's pretty decent for a webbrowser os
 
perhaps but nobody takes that environment seriously anyway
I only have a very vague memory of a Vlad there
 
did this Vlad guy ever come to chat here?
 
12:27 PM
But yes, I was around on 2013 when you first encountered him in the "asylum".
I was around in 2012 too IIRC
 
@Aminos If you have to ask that, you should read a book. It's simple iterators. You should really know this, or at least ask a separate question. Voilàsehe 6 secs ago
 
@Puppy I want to be where you are now. The vaguer, the better.
 
I don't know if I was around the day of the first bashing though.
 
Hmm, I have completely stopped reading the isocpp.org groups. Maybe I should resume.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes *pew pew*
 
12:28 PM
Sep 26 '14 at 0:24, by Sofffia
... after 641 consecutive days in this place.
 
@VáclavZeman I did too.
 
Xeo
What did you manage to do to shout something like that?
 
why did I just take a picture of a message
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Dalek is getting unstable. Where is the Timelord to save us?
Will @rightføld be good enough replacement for the Timelord?
What does @j*lf think?
 
lol
I wish you could flag a room
 
Xeo
12:33 PM
jesus fuck that spam
And that from a 10k user
 
@Xeo from a 10k guy too
terrible minds think alike
 
@JohanLarsson I'm sorry. I'm going to have to predict that won't happen. :(
 
@chmod711telkitty Any way that doesn't involve this annoying ringing in my ear.
 
ringing in your ear
wat
 
@sehe Ok, I have a better sample now. Have been giving ~talks. Ping if you want it.
 
12:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes seriously dude, go see a doctor
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh shit. You still got that?
I've never had the 'ringing' for more than a minute.
 
It's been going on for about an hour now. :(
 
GO SEE A DOCTOR
NOW
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops. Tinnitus?
 
@Jefffrey You're free to calm down. About most things, actually
 
12:43 PM
Sorry
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are broken. You need servicing. Go to see a serviceman for your body type.
 
Sounds like The Wizard Of Oz
 
Tinnitus /ˈtɪnɪtəs/ or /tɪˈnaɪtəs/; from the Latin word tinnītus meaning "ringing" is the perception of sound within the human ear ("ringing of the ears") when no external sound is present. Despite the origin of the name, "ringing" is only one of many sounds the person may perceive. Tinnitus is not a disease, but a condition that can result from a wide range of underlying causes. The most common cause is noise-induced hearing loss. Other causes include: neurological damage (multiple sclerosis), ear infections, oxidative stress, emotional stress, foreign objects in the ear, nasal allergies that...
 
went to get kitchen knives with the carrefour discount
chick forgot to invalidate the last code
I can get another one
I'll go to a different market tho
 
She want's the D-iscount
 
12:56 PM
clearly
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 2 hours 35 minutes.
ll
 
My cat does this when I try to play the guitar
 
Does that mean I suck at it?
> This is actually a response to let other cats around it know that it has found prey
 

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