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12:00
now what the hell is kitty going on about
I also flagged it as offensive
Hello wht going on there ?
Where is Vlad from?
user1804599
Moscow.
Wanna know the funny part? He typed it all over again he didn't click the rollback button.
12:03
If you are going to revert the edit, at least keep the English improvements... — Marc Glisse 1 min ago
lol
user1804599
Vlad to Moscow.
user1804599
He's Putin's spy.
@Vlad It's a Schrödinger statement: it can be both sarcasm and constructive suggestion, at the same time, until observed. Which way it falls, is decided by the observing. (Empirical evidence suggests that Schrödinger statements take on the level of constructiveness the statements they were prompted by).sehe 28 secs ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What is this ?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Done
12:04
Cool.
@BenjaminGruenbaum ^C^V beats rollback
@hlide the hell is "an identity array"?
Hopefully that earns him a question ban and he can introspect and stop being a douche.
party's over ... :'(
@BenjaminGruenbaum I can't see that happening. His ratios will save him
12:05
lol telshitty's comment
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@sehe well, at least it might show him it's not acceptable to do that sort of stuff in answers.
I should have invited him to the lounge
@BartekBanachewicz a[x] = x for any valid x I think
@BenjaminGruenbaum are you mad?
12:08
@sehe it would've been fun.
Vlad is not the teachable kind
Tell me more of this Vlad :P
Not that bullshit promise that is always broken!
@BenjaminGruenbaum There's transcripts
user1804599
Lightness Races in Moscow
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12:09
Oh I was here
user1804599
Vlad from Orbit
@rightføld s/c/g/
@BenjaminGruenbaum Certainly not all the time, then
Vladness races in orbit
user1804599
We should invite Vlad to the Unconference.
Vlad to orbit, Lightness Races to Moscow. World problems over.
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12:10
vlads race in orbit
with tomalak that is ...
16 hours ago, by sehe
Come on. Not even a reply? I thought RightnessFoldingInOrgy was a nice find
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's pretty nice - I don't like the _json stuff though. I have bad experience with that sort of thing.
@chmod711telkitty you seem weak today. Are you ok?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Actually, it's not.
It claims "Rigorous standard compliance", yet it can't parse strings.
user1804599
Meh, .to_string.
12:11
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, if it doesn't work that's another thing I just read the readme.
> Serious Testing: Our class is heavily unit-tested and covers 100% of the code, including all exceptional behavior. Furthermore, we checked with Valgrind that there are no memory leaks.
Serious BS if you ask me
@sehe "checked with Valgrind" is awesome.
too much work ... I am exhausted ... can not think ... can not type ... my eyes ... can not C properly, my poor fingers, all numb ... my brain ... all gone (in hibernation mode with important functions randomly shut down)
I mean, why would it leak in the first place o_0?
better now?
12:13
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes. But valgridn is not a leak checker. At least not a very good one. And the other purposes Valgrind covers are far more interesting
@sehe I was sarcastic.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I still like my take on it better. With Fusion integration in my work codebase :)
@rightføld Vlad did actually answer the call for Unconference suggestions, I am reliably informed
@sehe "including all exceptional behavior" => not a single test of escape characters.
@AniketDeshmukh What is what?
12:14
String parsing is "find non-escaped closing quote, grab string as is".
@R.MartinhoFernandes No NaN, +INF, -INF either, I suppose. No roundtripping floats and strings, I supppose
I ask u what is time your side ?
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well they said "exceptional behaviour", not "escaped behaviour"!
@BartekBanachewicz ahahah
@AniketDeshmukh Maybe you did.
12:15
@sehe JSON has no NaNs.
@chmod711telkitty That's ok; nobody can C properly. It is a fundamental restriction of the language.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. So, interesting to see what it does. That's exceptional cases, right
@R.MartinhoFernandes annoyingly -.-
I had to write a filter to translate NaNs into NULLs and just hope the other side knows what that means for those keys.
I have to admit, a schema in that scenario might have been nice.
(I know it can be done on top of JSON but meh)
Hello folks
oooh, a visitor hailing from my homeland
12:16
@AniketDeshmukh Why?
not this one
the other one
Why do we have a sudden influx of newbies?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I consider this quick & dirty, but it floors those claims made github.com/sehe/spirit-v2-json
@JanakDhanani hello.
just for knowledge ?
12:17
See plus plus = x ray vision?
@AniketDeshmukh you end everything with a question mark ?
Hey ho! Hey ho! It's off to work you go!

Time for breakfast. I think I'll have a beer with my cheese sandwich.
ouch, listening to spotify on my "work" headphones was a mistake
my ears
@CălinCruceru hiyaaaa~
12:18
@BartekBanachewicz (a) don't treat over-the-ear headphones as in-ears (b) adjust volume
@sehe it's not about the volume, I hear compression artifacts :S
I mean, I don't suppose you are complaining about fidelity with ~~spotify~~
@AlexM. hi xD
user1804599
Braket.
12:19
@BartekBanachewicz So, you should prolly use cheapass hphones? I don't get it
@sehe it's not nearly as noticeable on cheaper headphones. Also not only about the price, I'd say
:)
@CălinCruceru ce faaaaci xD
Oh cool, I probably got a "random" downvote from Vlad.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Vlad means
12:21
Interesting... std::unique_ptr<S> ptr = new S; does not compile with GCC but does with MSVC. What is the issue?
@sehe FTR, I am comparing $40 Phillips SHM6500 and $100 AKG K240 Studio. And I really prefer the cheaper model if I just want to listen to music. I bought the AKGs for guitar and they work really great there; I'd say I'm still getting over the realization that flat response headphones are so much different from "recreational" headphones.
@VáclavZeman that constructor is marked explicit
> Note that in all cases, you never need to "tell" the compiler which JSON value you want to use.
That's kinda nifty. I remember having some rough edges there. Mainly because I wasn't prepared to wrap standard types with suitably unique constructors, I think
Thanks for the downvote Vlad :D
IOW sound is hard.
12:24
Are you putting it on Meta? I think it's time
@Mgetz Ah! So either std::unique_ptr<S> ptr = std::unique_ptr<S>(new S); or std::unique_ptr<S> ptr { new S };?
I scared the guy away :(
user1804599
Let's write a parser.
@VáclavZeman auto ptr = std::make_unique<S>();
@BartekBanachewicz It's easy! Appreciation is subjective :)
12:25
Next time please explain why you expected some other behaviour. For those of us who know the answer already, it may not be clear what your false expectations were. For example "I don't see how this is working" Why? Did you read some documentation that suggested that it wouldn't? Did you interpret the standard in a way that led you to believe that it wouldn't? Can you provide evidence of this research and point us to the material that led you to your conclusion? Y'know, sciencey stuff. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
genius
@Griwes That is C++14, I am limitted to C++11.
@JanakDhanani Why did you invite me to a room?
@VáclavZeman Or yourhelperlibrary::make_unique();
@sehe I flagged it., flag it to.
@VáclavZeman make_unique is literally a forwarding return.
12:26
@AniketDeshmukh What are you talking about?
@sehe people find different stuff difficult to understand okay ;)
also I just won the internet, literally
got rid of 25 annoying coins
I love vending machines
@VáclavZeman yep
@BartekBanachewicz nope
People crave certainty, and numbers.
And marketing wants to exploit that. Gold cables!
Vlad word meaning
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I found out that one of my 3G modems is an u-2 revision
which means I can use it with my free 3G SIM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Mmm. 40 minutes, is that possible?
@AniketDeshmukh sentence words sequence
12:28
@BartekBanachewicz That means you can go on the internet, which is an altogether different thing from "winning it, literally".
' As a result a thousands of compiler erros appeared' - OP thinks that this is unusual enough to warrant posting, and he/she hasn't got to the linking yet:)
@AniketDeshmukh Would it kill you to use a full sentence? I have absolutely no idea what you're asking me.
@sehe yes, his comment on Vlad's answer is from 44 minutes ago, just before the downvote.
@MartinJames speaking of linking
12:28
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wokay. What a gentle chap there
@thecoshman ideally*
Vlad's downvotes should get shadowbanned.
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Q: Dealing with thousands of similar errors

MarkIn my project the definitions.h file with some definitions has been changed. As a result a thousands of compiler erros appeared. The definitions.h contains the definitions of thousands structs and types, but only a small part of them is relevant to my code. I want to systemize the errors log file...

@Griwes Hell banned
@Griwes What does that mean?
12:29
@Shog9 ping, are you here?
if you're awake can you look into it? This user left a snarky answer degrading C++ committee members here and when people asked him to stop he downvoted them one by one.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You should really unplonk me
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It means they have no effect for anyone except him.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It means he is the only one who sees them.
Please don't kill Vlad! I need teh entertainment..
So he doesn't know any moderation method is in place.
@sehe That sounds like another false claim.
12:30
Because if he just gets banned, in a normal way, he will just return.
That fixes nothing.
@sehe { "foo", "bar" }. Object or array?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Array (object would be { { "foo", "bar" } }?)
@R.MartinhoFernandes The sample convinces me (assuming it compiles).
It honestly amazes me that Vlad has never had a "cool-off period".
12:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes Brace elision? I've not taken the time to read that part of the specs
It boils down to: how do you denote { "foo" : "bar" } and ["foo", "bar"].
@sehe TIL those refer to the same thing.
Some people may say the same about me but at least I don't go around calling everybody "imbecile", "troll", "incompetent", "stupid" etc. Not on main SO, anyway :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think what I offered answers that. But I'm not going to test with his actual implementation
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: I have not experienced him that much. From this distance, it seems he is just annoying jerk but not that harmful or abusive. Or is he?
12:32
Meta drama - engage.
@sehe No, the problem is that the C++ syntax used does not unambiguously represent one thing.
@BenjaminGruenbaum lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's really begging for people to twirl data.SE a bit
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. My solution was to just Object { { a,b }, { c,d }, Array { e,f,g, } } etc.
@MichaelKohne thank you for your Response, what would you declare as do something to Keep the casual copiers honest. For me, that's something very hard to define. Is it just use proGuard or use it with Googles LVL. What does the casual copier use? Nearly every very easy available cracking tool cracks the LVL of Google by one click. So what is your Definition of Keep the casual copiers honest. That's really hard for me to define and it brings me headache. :) — Mike yesterday
this comment brings me headache
@VáclavZeman He's no more "harmful" than anyone truly can be on an internet website, but "abusive"? Sometimes. I'd say 1.5x Alf.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit 1 Alf, the unit of abuse. :D
12:37
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems I was even more pragmatic at times: github.com/sehe/spirit-v2-json/blob/q16227680/test.cpp . That was some revisions ago. I should really update to the latest version I used in our production codebase
@VáclavZeman Yeah :)
1.5 Alfs
too late to edit -.-
Alfometer
@LightnessRacesinOrbit SI units are lowercase.
sounds cool
@R.MartinhoFernandes the abbreviations aren't necessarily (e.g. A/ampere, K/kelvin)
12:42
I bring you meta drama!
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Q: Dealing with contributing but abusive users

Benjamin Gruenbaumtl;dr How can I as a user deal with content of users who are helpful in general but leave abusive comments and/or answers? Is there anything I can do to help mitigate the problem when I run into such an answer? An anecdote So, today in chat I ran into this answer here by this user that star...

just what we needed!
inb4 lrio rants and or fixes grammar.
man it's so good to be back home
coke, mcdonald's
12:44
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The important distinction is the name vs the symbol.
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Alf" is clearly the symbol
2 weeks of healthy food can kill a man I tell you
Unless you mean that the symbol for alfs is Alf.
the full name of the unit is "cheers & hth. — Alf"
I would suggest hth instead.
12:44
so in this context, Vlad's level of abuse is 1.5 cheers & hth. — Alfs, or 1.5 Alf for short
Dec 17 '14 at 8:57, by sehe
> As with every International System of Units (SI) unit whose name is derived from the proper name of a person, the first letter of its symbol is upper case (N). However, when an SI unit is spelled out in English,
it should always begin with a lower case letter (newton), except in a situation where any word in that position would be capitalized, such as at the beginning of a sentence or in capitalized material such as a title. Note that “degree Celsius” conforms to this rule because the “d” is lowercase.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The symbol is pluralised? :/
@AlexM. only if he dies
This user has a long history of retaliatory downvotes to actual or perceived downvotes. Even commenting on one of his answers is enough to get a random downvote. — Mgetz 31 secs ago
12:46
I was "verbalising" my text, sorry
@BenjaminGruenbaum I've never actually downvoted vlad... and yet been hit by his downvotes multiple times
@AlexM. I bet you have weird goat versions of coke and McDonalds tho :(
@Mgetz How do you know? IME he doesn't tend to announce them?
@Mgetz I think I only downvoted that one from today and only after he reverted the edit.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was actually sad when I went to mcdonald's yesterday
12:47
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Timing usually, and the fact that they were so close together
I rarely downvote in general
my favorite menu was Romanian cuisine inspired
and they removed it
Holy fucking shit
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This is beautiful
it didn't contain goat tho
just pork
12:48
yay it works
@Mgetz What were close together?
@BartekBanachewicz Hi Bartek :D
I wish I could fit that modem inside of my PC though
@Jefffrey hi jefff
@BartekBanachewicz What works?
Bartek won the internet
12:49
@LightnessRacesinOrbit downvotes?
Nothing works and everything is broken beyond repair, remember?
@Mgetz I don't see how a frequency of downvotes tells you that they were caused by a Vladstorm.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't tell me you have @BenjaminGruenbaum plonked as well
@sehe Wow - Vlad has papers written about him. Impressive!
12:50
23 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I found out that one of my 3G modems is an u-2 revision
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it is virtually impossible to directly attribute downvotes. However the circumstantial evidence is very high.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there were 3 downvotes very close apart on 3 random questions, and then there was the downvote you got right after you left that comment.
user1804599
I should implement protocols as a library.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Also on posts that had no apparent defect solliciting the downvote, let alone explanatory comments
12:58
@Mgetz You've given me zero reason to believe you, but that's okay :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not convicting him in a trial court, so that's ok.
All I'm saying is there is a preponderance of evidence to indicate that Vlad uses retaliatory downvotes
In any which way you would use them in other languages/platforms. They are really language-agnostic concepts. Just read some docs (boost.org/doc/libs/1_57_0/doc/html/lockfree.html, or boost.org/doc/libs/1_57_0/doc/html/thread/…). And, combining lockfree queues with semaphores makes zero sense. — sehe 25 secs ago
I almost tremble when I see clueless people meddle with threading in c++

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