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9:01 AM
Definitely
Also no, they are way less healthy
 
@Xarn Nah. He could be dehydrated.
 
@Rapptz That's more likely
I recently discovered that we're dehydrated more often that we think and it has quite a substantial effect
It's not just when you've been trapped on a mountain for three weeks
 
@Rapptz To me it sounded a lot like "I always drink something caffeinated" rather than "I feel better after I drink water or w/e"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yup.
I always tell people to drink at least 1L of water a day.
 
I always feel better when I'm not dehydrated too
 
9:03 AM
So I am still going with caffeine addiction. :-D
 
Wait, did you just mass retag everything? I don't agree with that. I think it's ok for C++1y to remain on questions that applied to stuff that didn't actually make it, or that changed in between. We had the same with C++0x. The tag remains in a few questions for which tagging with C++11 is wrong because they don't refer to things that ended up in C++11. (Granted, one could argue that such questions are now obsolete and borderline useless but that's another matter) — R. Martinho Fernandes 2 mins ago
@AlexM. "maybe"
 
it wasn't a mass retag
it was a merge
there's no edit history
 
Does that mean that there are questions left with or not?
 
nope, no more questions.
 
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Q: C++1y Modules and the C++ ABI

HighCommander4I've been reading about the C++ modules proposal (latest draft) but I don't fully understand what problem(s) it aims to solve. Is its purpose to allow a module built by one compiler to be used by any other compiler (on the same OS/architecture, of course)? That is, does the proposal amount to st...

Then it's all wrong.
Good job.
 
9:08 AM
I didn't ask for it
someone else did
 
FFS. If I want something done right...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..pay a contractor to do it:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes TBH. This isn't too big of a problem. I don't think those questions were super common.
There were only like 300ish C++1y questions unlike C++0x which had well over 1k.
I don't think that question needs C++1y anyway. It was never part of C++1y.
 
@Rapptz 1y ftfy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I fixed it up a little.
I can't find any more obvious ones though for modules.
Time to search for 'concepts'.
well this one is a lot worse.
I will be retagging these with which apparently exists..
or whatever it is
c++-concepts?
yeah that
okay.. I have cleaned up the immediate bad cases.
rest seem okay.
from my spelunking, it seems people didn't call it C++1y. They definitely called it C++14.
People sure were confident it'd come in 2014.
 
9:25 AM
Well, I just went to the list and blindly opened the oldest one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know how you'd handle these types of questions: stackoverflow.com/questions/20803826/what-is-string-view and stackoverflow.com/questions/16860960/…
Might be good to have a tag? iunno
having bare feels wrong.
there's for TR1 related questions.
 
@Rapptz I dunno. The first one seems too speculative, once again. And on top of that, "RTFM", or "read the fucking proposal" in this case.
 
I think will be better in the long run.
 
I don't like these sort of questions in general.
 
I don't either
 
9:30 AM
"Here's a link to the most authoritative source on this topic you can find. Can you read it for me?"
 
hmmmmm
this is a very weird problem
I just read through the old discussion about c++1y and c++14
 
I'm gonna start mercilessly closing them as "take it to the Asylum".
 
IMO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about in private?
 
Questions tagged with, e.g. et al, should be about things that got accepted (or rejected), not currently proposed.
though C++1y did do stupid things
 
9:36 AM
"Why did concepts not get included in C++11?" should not be ?
 
I think some things got formally accepted and then removed
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :p
 
@Rapptz what about those that were being strongly considered?
 
I can't think of anything
 
@Rapptz bliss
 
Concepts in C++11?
off the top of my head
but concepts were like a really special case
iunno
the basic idea I want to get through is that they shouldn't be questions that'll get outdated when the actual spec comes out
 
9:39 AM
Wouldn't be a better tag than ?
 
@Jefffrey eh, the latter exists.
 
No point in making a new tag when the latter does a good job already.
 
@Rapptz Hence the "take it to the Asylum".
 
@Rapptz There are 50 questions with that tag. Retagging would take less than 15 minutes
 
9:40 AM
it'll also be wrong
were about concepts in general
old C++11 concepts and C++14-TS Concepts-Lite.
2
Q: How can we express Concept in UML diagram?

Nicky CDoes UML Class Diagram support expressing Concept? Also, is there any other diagrams that expresses Concept? Just in case of misunderstanding, I mean the "Concept" in C++ and generic programming.

wtf...
 
@ThePhD melak made his own because mine's not worth looking at in the state it is in right now.
 
9:58 AM
> A newer version of this page is available. Please refresh to get fixes and improvements ;-)
Toggl is cool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you host your own RSS aggregator right?
 
Used to, yes. Turned it off when I decided I don't care.
 
what you use now then?
 
I don't.
That's what "I don't care" means.
 
sbi
If I had another child, ^this is what I'd wish for. (I don't plan to have another one, though. I'm done with breeding.)
 
10:04 AM
@Rapptz I think I drink decent amount of liquids daily, but I'm not sure I reach 1L of plain water a day
1L of coke combined with burn or red bull and some nestea
 
@sbi you could just pick one up and claim it as your own :S
 
that's more similar to what I get
 
Jeez man.
Drink some water, not pop.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, I wasn't sure if you just didn't care to not self host, or didn't care for RSS. What did you use?
 
TinyTinyRSS
 
10:05 AM
recomend?
 
@Rapptz I read that as "not poop" :A
 
sbi
@thecoshman And gain what?
Making your own child is fucking easy. Caring for one you made is what's so damn hard.
 
@thecoshman It's nice enough. Nothing fancy.
 
yeah ok I'll go get a mineral water from the vending machine now
I'm thirsty anyway
 
@sbi "fucking easy", heh?
 
sbi
10:08 AM
Ah. At least one of you guys noticed it...
 
Would it be too ambitious if I want to clone an army of myself? :p
 
@sbi you don't say.
@sbi noticed, just didn't feel it warranted acknowledgment.
 
sbi
Um. What's with the Feeds guy posting here?
 
someone realised they could play with it
 
10:10 AM
@sbi It had only 9 stars just a few minutes ago. Of course you had to.
 
sbi
How can you? It's a special account (the real -1).
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope.
 
@sbi think. How does it know what to post?
 
sbi
But now that you say this, robot, let's increment that count...
There, 11. :)
 
12!
 
sbi
Welcome to the Lounge, Martinho Streisand!
@thecoshman There's a bot behind it, no?
 
10:12 AM
@sbi yes, but what does that bot do?
 
translate: こんにちはsbi
 
hint: RSS feeds are not hard to set up, telling 'Feeds' to look at said RSS feed is not hard to do
 
Hi, the sbi
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh. OH! OHHHH!!! That is damn clever!
 
lame translation.
 
10:13 AM
@sbi oh my, that penny fell so far I fear a mass extinction :P
 
@thecoshman It's not an RSS feed.
Well done.
RSS feeds show up as oneboxed links, not plain messages.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh... good point
 
translate: :18433864 Es ist sehr einfach.
 
: 18433864 it is very easy.
 
@sbi It seems we are both idiots :S
 
10:15 AM
Fuck off Feeds.
There's no space there.
 
lmao
 
:p
 
¬_¬
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes translate: :18433920 fuck you.
 
10:15 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes fuck you.
 
wtf feeds is alive ? :O
 
works fine for English apparently.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes actually, you can set it I should read
 
translate: Fick dich, Feeds.
 
Fuck you, feeds.
 
10:16 AM
@thecoshman You can set it to not post messages at all.
 
oooh
so how are you guys hiding what you doing?
 
forgot how frustrating nicotine withdrawal is
 
editing the messages.
or deleting them
I wonder what service it uses to translate.
 
translate: :18433993 You still don't get it?
 
@thecoshman You still don't get it?
 
10:19 AM
translate: ファックユーのフィードを
 
ファックユー feed
 
@Rapptz Bing.
 
translate: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
7
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, this message was a test.
it completely failed
 
10:19 AM
The "hi" yesterday was a give away.
translate: hi
 
There are
 
Only Bing does that.
 
everything that's going on in this room, for thecoshman
 
only bing is bad at katakana with 'fuck you' in it
 
10:20 AM
heh
 
that explains all the lame translations with Japanese
 
Only Bing detects "hi" as Catalan instead of English.
 
lol
 
so who discovered this?
translate: no, no it does not
 
does it respond to edits?
 
10:23 AM
of course not
 
I thought it might see it as a new post and re-translate it
 
@Feeds No, I don't.
 
like you get re-pinged when a post is edited
 
nah
that'd be weird to implement I imagine
 
10:24 AM
not that weird
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
like you get re-pinged when a post is edited
or is that no longer a 'feature'
 
I consider that different
iunno
 
why?
 
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Q: How to avoid being forked into oblivion by a more powerful contributor?

DenAs recently reported here: Xamarin has forked Cocos2D-XNA, a 2D/3D game development framework, creating a cross-platform library that can be included in PCL projects. However the founder of the project that was forked says: The purpose of the MIT license is to unencumber your fair u...

 
effectively, translate: is just a special token that triggers Feeds. Same as @Name triggers Satan to play his song.
 
10:26 AM
@thecoshman Feeds is a 'user', so to speak. But pinging is a feature in the client.
They're handled differently.
At least that's how I see it.
lol @ people thinking it's unethical to fork a project to a new direction
 
@Rapptz "OMG they forked my open-source project".
 
I made no mistake
 
are these people new to open source software development?
> Great! Thanks for stealing the project instead of just contributing to it. Maybe next we'll just go steal Mono and rename it to something else and announce it as 'look at the wonderful new project from us.'

Enjoy the wonderful prosperity of stealing other people's work and claiming it for your own.
the creator is so angry
or well, supposed creator according to that question
I don't know who he really is. nvm he refers it as his own
 
to be fair, forking can result in less overall development. Of course, it can also free people up to really focus on the features they want and see them fully developed.
 
sounds like he should have licensed this GPL.
since he's so against forks.
 
10:32 AM
New BSD License ftw.
 
Ell
forking is frowned upon if you can contribute I thought
 
Fork you!
 
@Rapptz Such as a dumbass.
 
Ell
Idk what to think about the right license, I feel like LGPL is a good license
 
@Ell yes and no
 
Ell
10:34 AM
but people say it's viral and as evil as a proprietary one
 
well if you define 'forking' as 'having your local copy and making changes' then there's no way to contribute without 'forking'.
 
@Ell FWIW, Xamarin code is open-source so you can take back whatever you want from the fork.
 
generally, if you just want to contribute something, you should try to just contribute it. But sometimes the 'owner' doesn't like your ideas, maybe he doesn't want that feature. What then?
 
incidentally, someone denied my pull request yesterday because they didn't like my 'feature' :<
all I did was add const_iterator et al because they had them in ThisCase.
A huge pet peeve of mine but whatever.
 
Ell
@thecoshman then you talk about it with him
and discuss
and if you still can't make an agreement
then you fork
 
10:36 AM
No, fuck that.
Fork first, PR later.
 
you can fork it whenever you want
 
@Ell no
@R.MartinhoFernandes well yes, but what if they don't accept your PR
 
Ell
Wait are we talking about github "forks" or project forks?
well, I'm talking about the latter :P
 
@thecoshman Their loss. You already have it on your fork.
 
@BartekBanachewicz remember when I mentioned my colleague who had a Dartmoor bike?
 
10:37 AM
IMO, just accept it. You've made your fork to add your feature, mae the PR, they didn't want it.
 
@Ell Is there a difference?
 
> So again, thanks Xamarin. Thanks for stealing our work. Thanks for not contributing to the effort, but rather having your tantrum and then making the project your own. Good luck. Can't wait to see the $900 premium version where you charge money for the work we did.
 
apparently it got stolen yesterday lol
 
@Ell they are the same.
 
no bike is safe in this city
 
Ell
10:38 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, in github you fork in order to get a feature into the original repo via a pull request, in a proper project fork you're taking the project in a different direction
(imho)
 
@Ell so it's scope
either way, you set up a fork of the repo, and you have your own version of the entire codebase
 
@Griwes Tough luck. There are non-commercial licenses out there.
 
either you are adding a small feature, or completely redoing everything.
 
Some people just have no idea what each license means.
 
a fork is a fork is a spork is spoon
@Griwes tl;dr
 
Ell
10:40 AM
Well, before github was here projects were forked in order to send them in a different direction
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, so is that some new functionality of the Feeds guy that you can throw stuff at it?
 
Ell
but patches were sent in order to add new features
right?
 
use the feeds!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
sbi
10:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see you have progressed a lot in learning German. :-/
 
@Ell Yes, and the moment you reject it, you just created a "fork in a different direction".
@sbi Not sure if sarcastic or serious.
 
@sbi what more is there?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok. Where's that introduced?
@thecoshman The non-swearing parts?
 
It's not. It's just Marc playing around for now.
 
there's also wiki: article
 
Ell
10:41 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes and what I'm saying is I think that instead of just going on forking that you should talk with the creator of the project and try sorting out your differences
 
I hope it doesn't get removed
It's really neat
== English == === Pronunciation === IPA(key): /tɛst/ Rhymes: -ɛst (South African) IPA(key): /test/ === Etymology 1 === From Old French test (“an earthen vessel, especially a pot in which metals were tried”), from Latin testum (“the lid of an earthen vessel, an earthen vessel, an earthen pot”), from *terstus, past participle of the root seen also in terra (“earth”) for *tersa (“dry land”); see terra, thirst. ==== Noun ==== test (plural tests) A challenge, trial. (academia) An examination, given often during the academic term. A session in which a product or piece of equipment is exa...
oooooh
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's always the swear words that those furriners learn first.
 
@sbi fuck it
 
there's also define: stuff for wiktionary.
@R.MartinhoFernandes might like that.
 
@Rapptz my lord, we suggested that fucking ages ago and got told it was a bad thing
.... wiki: boobs?
 
10:43 AM
has to be a standalone message but that's nsfw
 
would that just throw them right up there?
@Rapptz I wasn't going to actually do it
 
I wonder what other ones exist.
 
kill: Puppy
 
... worth a shot?
 
10:43 AM
Ok, maybe.
 
o_0
 
lol
 
You never know which picture it's going to pick.
Look at "test" above.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got flashed
 
sbi
OK, so if it isn't written down somewhere, and assuming that none of you was in the position to share a beer with Marc, how do you know this?
 
10:44 AM
it's the first image isn't it?
 
help:
 
sbi
@Rapptz ISTR it being the biggest (resolution). There's some very bad examples.
 
vOv too easy I guess :P
 
Yes, it's the largest.
@sbi Someone from the anime room knew it.
 
@sbi Mysticial found out about translate: through anime.se. I found wiki: through the anime.se chat and I just found out about define:.
 
Ell
10:45 AM
hmm what was that packaging tool which generated .msi, .dep, etc.
 
sbi
== English == Wikipedia === Etymology === From Middle English definen, from Old French definer, variant of definir, from Latin dēfīniō (“limit, settle, define”), from dē + fīniō (“set a limit, bound, end”) === Pronunciation === IPA(key): /dɪˈfaɪn/ Rhymes: -aɪn === Verb === define (third-person singular simple present defines, present participle defining, simple past and past participle defined) To determine with precision; to mark out with distinctness; to ascertain or exhibit clearly. Sir Isaac Newton Rings […] very distinct and well defined. the defining power of an optical inst...
Ah, neat.
Works.
 
Nice
 
Feature creep, creeping featurism or featuritis is the ongoing expansion or addition of new features in a product, such as in computer software. Extra features go beyond the basic function of the product and so can result in over-complication rather than simple design. == Causes == The most common cause of feature creep is the desire to provide the consumer with a more useful or desirable product, in order to increase sales or distribution. However, once the product reaches the point at which it does everything that it is designed to do, the manufacturer is left with the choice of adding unneeded...
 
feeds: --help
:v
 
huh... how come that replaced what I said... but the others don't?
 
10:47 AM
@Rapptz it doesn't want to help you
 
Ell
Ahh it was Effing Package Manager
 
google: cake
ITT random guesses
 
@thecoshman translate: posts a new message, wiki: and define: edit the message in-place (seems to be a server side transformation).
 
It's just extra oneboxing syntax.
 
I guess.
 
10:49 AM
@Rapptz I know what it's doing, but why
 
iunno, undocumented features are fun
 
Because why would it not just onebox directly?
@sbi Ich habe viel mehr gelernt.
 
translate: Ich habe viel mehr gelernt.
 
I learned a lot more.
 
So useful.
 
10:51 AM
translate(German): worth a shot?
 
lol
translate-jp: hello
 
that would be useful
translate(fr): I ate the partridge with cake
 
@CatPlusPlus Fractal goodness: i.stack.imgur.com/rEk47.png
 
I do my driving theory test tomorrow afternoon, should be ok
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0
df?
I really should play that one day...
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes A lot more swear words, huh?
 
10:55 AM
Actually, no. My inventory of swear words is quite limited in German.
 
translate: butts
 
butts
 
hmm
 
wiki:
oooh, clever girl
 
translate: wiki: orange
 
10:56 AM
Orange may refer to: Orange (colour), occurs between red and yellow in the visible spectrum Orange (fruit), a citrus fruit Orange may also refer to: == Arts/entertainment == === Film === Orange (2010 Telugu film), a 2010 Telugu (Indian) film Orange (2012 film), a 2012 Malayalam (Indian) film Oranges (film), a 2007 American film Elephants Dream (code named "Project Orange"), an open content short film by the Blender Foundation (2006) === Music === Orange (band), an American punk rock band Orange (Al Stewart album), a 1972 folk album by Al Stewart Orange (Jon Spencer Blues Explosion alb...
 
@r.m through some unicode at it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes translate: すごい
 
Wow
 
lol
 
A
A (named a /ˈeɪ/, plural aes) is the first letter and vowel in the ISO basic Latin alphabet. It is similar to the Ancient Greek letter alpha, from which it derives. The upper-case version consists of the two slanting sides of a triangle, crossed in the middle by a horizontal bar. The lower-case version can be written in two forms: the double-storey a and single-storey ɑ. The latter is commonly used in handwriting and fonts based on it, especially fonts intended to be read by children. It is also found in italic type. == History == The earliest certain ancestor of "A" is aleph (also called 'aleph...
 
10:57 AM
what.. that doesn't mean 'wow'
 
nah, white space unicode
 
fuck you bing
 
translate: jabłko
 
Apple
 
Nice.
 
10:58 AM
translate: translate
 
translate
 
translate: wiki: translate
 
Translation is the communication of the meaning of a source-language text by means of an equivalent target-language text. Whereas interpreting undoubtedly antedates writing, translation began only after the appearance of written literature; there exist partial translations of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh (ca. 2000 BCE) into Southwest Asian languages of the second millennium BCE. Translators always risk inappropriate spill-over of source-language idiom and usage into the target-language translation. On the other hand, spill-overs have imported useful source-language calques and loanwords that...
 
it's fun again
:3
== Japanese == === Adjective === すごい (-i inflection, romaji sugoi) 凄い: great, wonderful, terrific === Interjection === すごい (romaji sugoi) Awesome! Cool! Great! ==== See also ==== 本当 すごすご...
 
do it again :D
 
10:58 AM
...
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're working on it, though, I am sure.
 
wiki: power mad
 
nothing like a little mod power abuse for lunch, eh
 
translate: tlhIngan Hol
 
10:59 AM
tlhIngan Hol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D
 
fail
I heard Bing supported that
translate: DaH tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom'a' Dalegh. qawHaqvam chenmoHlu'DI' 'oHvaD wIqIpe'DIya ponglu'
 
DaH tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom ' a ' Dalegh. qawHaqvam chenmoHlu'DI ' oHvaD wIqIpe'DIya ' ponglu '
 
supported what?
 
10:59 AM
ok then
 

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