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11:00 AM
Klingon.
 
@thecoshman tlhIngan Hol
 
The mid-word capitals are a give away, not a typo.
 
¬_¬ you can suck my balls
 
translate: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
Ph 'nglui mglw' nafh Cthulhu R 'r'lyeh wgah' nagl fhtagn
 
11:00 AM
The Klingons (Klingon: tlhIngan, pronounced [ˈt͡ɬɪ.ŋɑn]) are a fictional extraterrestrial humanoid warrior species in the science fiction franchise Star Trek. Klingons are recurring antagonists in the 1960s television series Star Trek: The Original Series, and have appeared in all five spin-off series, along with eight of the feature films. Initially intended to be antagonists for the crew of the USS Enterprise, the Klingons became a close ally of humanity and the United Federation of Planets in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager. In the 1990s series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine...
 
sbi
Ha, doesn't work as expected.
 
: who would want that 18435305?
 
@Feeds What. That's broken. How does "R'lyeh" become "R' r'lyeh"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes stop trying to trick fellow machines into raising the Elder gods!
 
sbi
find: keyword
Nope.
 
11:01 AM
@sbi Yeah, the translation destroys the reply syntax.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I did see some of this working, didn't I?
 
bing sucks at translating and preserving proper spaces.
@sbi works fine for English to English.
 
sbi
@Rapptz Ah.
 
@sbi If it takes the text as English, the translation is an identity.
 
sbi
Well, that sucks.
 
11:02 AM
yeah, stupid bing.
 
Beware of "Hi", though.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes But then it isn't half the fun.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ???
 
translate: hi
 
There are
 
translate: :18435399 Hi
 
11:03 AM
: 18435399 there are
 
sbi
translate: Hi
 
There Are
 
lmao
 
sbi
What language is that?
 
Catalan
 
sbi
11:03 AM
translate: gift
 
gift
 
sbi
@Feeds That is wrong.
 
what is it supposed to be?
 
translate: das Gift
 
11:04 AM
the poison
 
sbi
Yeah, I admit, I was kinda expecting this to fail.
 
oh
 
Learn yourself some German, old man.
 
== German == Wikipedia de === Etymology === From Old High German gift (“gift, something given”), from Proto-Germanic *giftiz, which is a derivation of Proto-Germanic *gebaną (“to give”). === Pronunciation === IPA(key): /ɡɪft/ === Noun === Gift n (genitive Gifts or Giftes, plural Gifte) poison 2010, Der Spiegel, issue 31/2010, page 49: Der Mann ist Toxikologe, ein Experte für Gift. Er arbeitet für ein Pharma-Unternehmen. The man is a toxicologist, an expert on poison. He works for a pharmaceutical business. ==== Declension ==== ==== Derived terms ==== giftig vergiften Gegengift R...
it's not there
 
:| wisdom teeth pain
 
11:05 AM
has to be uppercase G.
strange
 
@Rapptz Case is significant in German.
(almost) minimal pair:
Feb 19 '13 at 11:03, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Der Gefangene floh - The prisoner escaped
Der gefangene Floh - The caught flea
 
そうか.
:p
 
German is odd
 
translate: Der Gefangene floh
 
The prisoner fled
 
11:11 AM
translate: Der gefangene Floh
 
The prisoners flea
 
Ugh.
translate: der See und die See
 
the Lake and the Lake
 
Ugh.
So bad.
 
Any idea why they chose bing?
 
11:12 AM
might be built into ASP.NET
iunno
 
I don't follow :-P
 
Stack Exchange is made with ASP.NET.
 
Google's API terms are annoying.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I failed all my live attempting to do just that.
 
That is also a possibility.
 
11:13 AM
@sbi English as well, it seems.
 
huh, there's a guy at work who looks like mr wiki leaks
 
@thecoshman Somebody has to use Bing.
Or maybe they liked translationparty.com.
 
oh my <cough> found where all the mustard in my sandwich was
 
Google's terms is also the reason translationparty uses Bing.
 
what terms be they?
 
11:16 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't seem like they do
 
@Rapptz Maybe they switched once more.
They left Google because of the rate-limiting.
 
no wait, they do.
they translated そうか into So?
but under javascript I don't see microsoft's stuff, I thought maybe they'd use something similar to ajax.googleapis except for MS
 
Google also translates "der See und die See" as "the lake and the lake".
Sucks.
 
@Mysticial he links to his own website: stackoverflow.com/users/2552725/guru Probably that's the reason why.
 
Google does a decent job with simple nihongo phrases.
 
11:18 AM
Non trivial
 
What's non trivial?
 
@PolymorphicPotato ipads use bing for Siri unless you explicitly specify google
 
That's because Apple hates Google.
 
Guys, has anyone built a p2p payments app before?
I have a question on chargebacks.
lets say i deposit money into the p2p app and send it to my friend on the app, we both spend the money. Then after 3 weeks i chargeback that amount. Does the app owner always lose in this case?
 
11:19 AM
> How would you handle the situation if you found yourself stranded on an ireland?
dat typo.
 
Lol
translation is non trivial, robot
 
Ps, on phone
@Tommy we're not your customer support.
 
Yummy, fish.
@TommyAdey That's a pretty vague question. Unlike your previous one, I cannot answer it.
 
sbi
Speaking of iPads...
I rather like this.
Anyway, I will have lunch now. See you guys!
 
Ell
11:26 AM
Hmm. I don't know where I should start building my lifetime database of contacts
 
@thecoshman my teeth are suddenly fucked this week too
hence cold turkey on the fags
i'm sure i'm murdering my teeth with nicotine and heat
 
I blame you then :-P
 
@Ell Facebook has that feature.
 
Ell
I want to store my own databse :P
 
11:28 AM
facebook is shit
just use gmail
 
I just found this. Don't ask me why or where.
 
@thecoshman: i'm just asking if a dev has dealt with that situation before and how they dealt with it.
 
@TommyAdey I already answered that.
10 mins ago, by Polymorphic Potato
No.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit godspeed on quiting
 
11:31 AM
also, turns out chat lets you post a message on one device, then edit on another.
 
No shite.
 
@PolymorphicPotato Yeah but the "No" meant you haven't dealt with a situation like that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit try replacing the addiction, cocaine can do wonders
@TommyAdey no one here will want to help you
 
@TommyAdey Indeed. It also meant nobody else hadn't, because it was an answer to the question whether anyone had.
 
2 mins ago, by thecoshman
@sehe you monster! (cc @cat)
 
11:33 AM
@thecoshman: It's not a code related question. It's just info on experience and how it was dealt with. I.e taking as much info as possible, if that'll help e.t.c
@thecoshman why will no one want to help? I'm not asking for code.
 
@TommyAdey then why are you annoying us with it?
 
@thecoshman oh forget it!
 
Ask in the room dedicated to P2P payment systems.
 
@TommyAdey what?
 
It's not about the code, it's about solving interesting issues
 
11:35 AM
@PolymorphicPotato I'll check for that. Thanks.
 
so yeah, I'm sat next to a guy who makes car like 'brrrrmmm' noises... a lot.
 
@chmod711telkitty How do you mean?
 
@TommyAdey hint: ignore it
 
tellykit
 
11:36 AM
meaning if someone here finding your issue interesting, they will help you with it. if not, no one will answer
 
@chmod711telkitty The question wasn't directed to anyone specific. I'm only replying to people that @ replied me.
@Mgetz lolololol
 
@TommyAdey seriously, ignore it.
@Ell June 13th I do belive
 
I need to work on my plonk list
 
@thecoshman: That would cost a lot of money bro. A lot.
 
11:43 AM
wonder who should I put on it, I am thinking about 6, it is a good number for the amount of people who I should ignore
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reminds me of Discworld MUD maps
 
@TommyAdey ps, you're not (currently) invited.
 
@thecoshman erm what?
 
@TommyAdey never mind then.
@CatPlusPlus you think you'll pluck up the courage for Unconference 2.0?
 
11:46 AM
@Mgetz The comments are right. Nothing wrong with not knowing how to implement cybersecurity, in that job. Note that he does not say he knows nothing about cybersecurity.
 
Dunno, you should come here for most likely successful result
 
@CatPlusPlus where is here exactly?
 
Stupid bugs. They always fly in through open window and then can't figure out how to leave.
 
Wrocław
 
apparently Google said no to your funny not-l
 
11:47 AM
The what
 
the l which is not an l
 
@Xarn Miminize your window.
 
@MartinJames removes these walls yous means
 
@MartinJames Tried to, but then they just go through the taskbar and the problem is even worse.
I think I need to submit a bug report to nature.
 
11:49 AM
But it usually takes ages to get those fixed.
 
ergh... this whole 'try to apply computer terms to real life shit' thing is tedious.
 
And pointless.
 
translate: Wrocław
 
Wrocław
 
11:55 AM
If those ~5 lines bother you so much, give the chat a couple of minutes to move on...
 
Very good.
@Xarn lol you must be new here it takes at least three days for this room to move on from anything
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wow that l made me think I had dead pixels or dirt.
 
@Rapptz Perhaps you do
 
I don't
I just cleaned my screen for like 10 seconds
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Bet you this isn't interesting enough.
 
12:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that reminds me, 429 days ago, you said apples were all red, which is clearly nonsense!
 
@Xarn ok
Jun 16 at 23:45, by Lightness Races in Orbit
"i never knew there were green apples ??!!"
close
 
ąść
 
lolwut
Aug 20 '13 at 18:36, by Xeo
Are apples or oranges bluer?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :O my god!
what are the chances of me being just three days off the day you actually said something so stupid
that's amazing
 
I only have two apples and they're both green. Should I throw them out immediately or would the be safe to cook or give to my dog?
 
12:10 PM
@MartinJames just keep them apart from each other
 
Okay, I might've been wrong.
 
@thecoshman They might breed, or become a supercritical fissile mass?
 
@MartinJames apple fusion is not safe unless you are trained with custard!
 
@thecoshman OK, I certainly would not like to be bombarded with high-energy grapes.
 
@MartinJames they are susceptible to wining up huge velocities
 
12:16 PM
@thecoshman You are fermenting panic.
2
 
@CatPlusPlus Still not sure though.
That setup gives 49 21-tile rooms. That's quite luxurious, but for a 200-dorf fortress would require some five levels.
 
@MartinJames I best distil some calm
 
Though it is flexible enough that I can turn a group of seven such rooms into a single unit to make bedroom+office+tomb+whatever for nobles.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader melak was working off of you?
 
@thecoshman three days plus a year #goodjob
also I was quoting someone else
other than that, yeah, spot on
 
12:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That year is off-by-one error. For programmers, that is basically perfect.
Those three days, well...
 
no ಠ_ಠ
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Split it further :v
 
dat tag line
 
12:41 PM
@ThePhD No he made his own. He asked me to show him, but the code is in a pitiful halfway state between their design and mine.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Ooh.
 
hm... who's @user142019? I looked for "coffeescript" and he has a lot of useless messages about it - chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=coffeescript&room=10
 
Probably Zoidberg
 
yeah probably rightfold
 
anyways, is coffeescript good or not?
 
12:45 PM
probably not
TypeScript looks cool though.
It also uses VS so you don't have any tool migration or w/e.
 
yeah I heard about typescript and it really looks good
 
It's entirely underwhelming
 
but one of my colleagues suggested that coffee thing so I'm trying to figure out how good or bad it is
 
you sure he wasn't just suggesting you get some coffee?
 
depends what you want I guess
from the little googling I did, CoffeeScript seems like python.js :v
 
12:48 PM
gonna use it mostly for writing automatic tests for web services
 
but typescript seems like a sane version of javascript if anything
CoffeeScript has a lot more stuff though
 
1:00 PM
CoffeeScript automatically declares variables.
In a very shitty manner.
x = 1
[1..10].forEach (y) ->
    x = 2
    console.log(x + y)
console.log(x) # x is now 2! Wonderful language!
 
That's... completely expected?
 
I'm used to function scopes
 
Me too. So this is not what I'm used to.
((y) -> ...) is a function.
 
Oh well
 
1:04 PM
More worrying: goo.gl/eyHgUE
 
@PolymorphicPotato So just like Python 2.x scoping for list comprehension?
 
No, it's different
 
No idea what Python 2 does. Never used it.
 
@CatPlusPlus I remember it doing this:
x = 2
foo = [x**2 for x in xrange(10)]
print x #lol, 9
so how is it different?
(Note that Python 3 is actually sane and it prints 2)
 
@Xarn No need to worry, CoffeeScript does that too. :)
@Xarn consider this:
def f():
    return 2
def g():
    f = lambda: 1 # does not overwrite global f
    return f()
print g()
print f() # prints 2, not 1
What CoffeeScript does is more like implicit nonlocal.
 
1:12 PM
Hmmm
Thats horrible
 
@Xarn List comp is not a scope
 
@CatPlusPlus Should be and Python developers agree with me. :-P
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus For CSharppe, you ever have any experience taking a LinQ Query and dumping it into something like a REST API call?
 
Define dumping
 
user3010322
Uh. So I wanted to build up something like a http://blah.com/?filter=STUFF&meow=PURR stuff from a LinQ expression.
 
1:26 PM
@ThePhD use expressions
 
user3010322
Expressions.... guess I'd better look that shit up.
 
HttpValueCollection
 
user3010322
Is that in System.Web or System.Net.Http?
 
Dunno
 
user3010322
Smells like something not in existence for Windows 8.1 Universal...
 
user3010322
1:30 PM
... AND IT'S NOT OHHHHH BOY.
 
user3010322
Jesus christ, I hate Windows 8.1 Universal.
 
Then just build a dictionary and join it together manually vOv
You just need to urlencode shit
 
Cue "no UrlEncode"
 
user3010322
vOv
 
user3010322
I'd have to check again.
 
user3010322
1:32 PM
Why did Microsoft do this...
 
user3010322
Like. They moved all of their namespaces from System.{Whatever} to Windows.{Whatever}
 
user3010322
Then they have a bunch of classes that do the EXACT SAME THING as their System.{Whatever} counterparts
 
user3010322
but they TWEAKED THE NAMES slightly, so as to make sure you need to #if your code and make aliases to both like a fucking pleb.
 
user3010322
Like.
 
user3010322
1:33 PM
I don't understand. Why would you do that.
 
Someone nominated me for "#diceinmouthchallenge"
 
user3010322
Dice in mout?
 
user3010322
Is mout german?
 
dice in moth?
 
1:34 PM
This is why you should never put a bald person on the front page of a newspaper http://t.co/m90SfVrwLQ
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@ThePhD because everything in System is part of the CLR, is standardized and can be implemented by third parties, whereas Windows is (afaik) the .NET interface for Windows RT apis?
Which, you know, kind of makes sense because doing anything else would basically break everything for everyone ever?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd almost be flattered, had I not remembered your special talent for premature drama
 
@benisace #diceinmouthchallenge accepted! I nominate @martinfernandes @lalomartins @LJ_Berlin http://tinyurl.com/nsp8vov http://t.co/eUFyM1T233
 
user3010322
@jalf It is for the Windows RT APIs. But if they have things of the same name that perform the same function, why go as far to even have a different name (But have analogous namespaces)?
 
user3010322
In fact, since it is performing the same functions, why not just have WindowsRT be fit into the System namespace?
 
1:38 PM
@ThePhD because the Windows RT apis are native code, not .NET
 
If you use something like gettext do you use the English string as message ID?
 
So you're saying they should have designed the WinRT APIs, which are intended to be used from native as well as managed code, plus JavaScript, to exactly mirror APIs different designers on a different team added to .NET a decade ago? :p
 
@PolymorphicPotato Yes
 
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A: Is C++14 adding new keywords to C++?

R. Martinho FernandesI'm posting this answer for the sake of giving tools for finding answers to similar questions. The standard draft is currently kept in a public GitHub repository. That means you can ask this question to GitHub itself! The keywords table is on the file source/lex.tex. If you do a blame on it, we...

 
"Pick a secure password:" 0k5ijU)=2w8VAiqxozKyB "Now, in case you forget it, what's your favorite color?" Blue.
I don't get it
 
1:40 PM
Someone deleted the comment saying "+1 for teaching to fish".
@Jefffrey Your password becomes effectively as secure as '"Blue" as the to "what's your favourite colour"'.
An attacker can just claim they forgot it and then attack the "secret question" instead.
 
@CatPlusPlus What if you have to change the English translation? Do you keep the message ID or do you change it as well?
Do you create an English PO file at all?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No? Those questions are asked only to send the "reset email" link...
 
Not the first time it happens.
The Sarah Palin email hack occurred on September 16, 2008, during the 2008 United States presidential election campaign when the Yahoo! personal email account of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was subjected to unauthorized access. The hacker, David Kernell, had obtained access to Palin's account by looking up biographical details such as her high school and birthdate and using Yahoo!'s account recovery for forgotten passwords. Kernell then posted several pages of Palin's email on 4chan's /b/ board. Kernell, who at the time of the offense was a 20-year-old college student, is the son of...
 
@Jefffrey Ideally, yes. For many (probably most) sites, no, it's just a way to regain access to your account
 
That is the most stupid thing I've heard today.
 
1:44 PM
@Jefffrey No such thing is needed in that case, then.
Just send me the link.
 
You can potentially flood the guy with these emails.
Not that those questions are particularly secure anyway.
 
Just as much as you can flood the server with the requests.
There are better ways to fill someone's inbox with garbage.
 
Except when you don't know the email address.
 
@Jefffrey ... which is exactly the point
 
Oh wait, now authentication is based on emails...
 
1:46 PM
@PolymorphicPotato Depends on circumstances
 
> A judge has ordered a deliveryman's manhood to be measured after he claimed in court that it was too small for him to be guilty of exhibitionism. - thelocal.de/20140822/…
 
@Jefffrey You can throttle them
Security questions are just shit
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... Wat.
 
user3010322
That's, uh. Well, that's one way to defend yourself from the charges...
 
I like this part: "Confronted with this conflicting evidence, defence lawyer Lutz Winkler suggested that judge Ulrike Andrees check its believability herself."
 
user3010322
1:52 PM
Even the name...
 
user3010322
> Lutz Winkler
 
user3010322
This whole case.
 
user3010322
Something right out of a comedy show or something.
 
"More from Germany"
 
user3010322
I'm not sure if all this would fall under "Healthy Experimentation"
 
1:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol
user image
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@CatPlusPlus This is better.
Last one is a real pearl.
 
Is this Postilion or what?
 
Nah, those are real news.
 
user3010322
Lmao
 
user3010322
Whole new meaning to "Beer Street"
 

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