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Xeo
12:00 AM
Btw @StackedCrooked, since I'm listenting to it right now, did you check out the NGNL OP / ED yet?
 
I guess I managed to confirm my hypothesis on this question without @harold's expertise.
I haven't messed with inline assembly in quite a long time.
 
12:17 AM
Doesn't GCC have __builtin_popcount?
 
I think so. But the Intel intrinsic is more portable.
Across different compilers that is.
 
Holy fuck. I have an application that updates itself automatically every fucking day.
It's annoying.
 
Like Windows?
 
Telegram for Mac
The website version updates so fast, that it asks you to refresh the page to see the changes. Wtf.
 
Does it cost $99 for each update?
 
12:20 AM
free
 
@Jefffrey Flash?
 
but I guess it was a joke I didn't get
 
Mac? Free? Wait, wut?
 
the updates are free
 
I went to the apple store today to buy a gift
 
12:21 AM
@Borgleader telegram.org
 
They asked me if I wanted to buy "AppleCare" which costs $99 to extend the warranty for another year.
 
@Jefffrey Many webapps do
 
It also lowers the cost of replacing from I think $100 to $70
 
@Jefffrey Flash updates itself all the fucking time =.=
 
Pretty amazing deal eh.
 
12:22 AM
@CatPlusPlus It's fucking annoying. Just refresh automatically or just don't. You can't update 10 times a day.
I can only guess the commit messages.
 
GitHub deploys several times per day, too
 
"Changed fuck to Fuck for coding conventions"
 
Also refreshing automatically might lose data
Also would be much more annoying
 
Just give me an update at the beginning of the week and fuck off already.
 
Yes, let's deploy a separate frontend juuuust fooooor youuuu
 
12:24 AM
too frequent updates should be considered spam
 
:lol:
 
A modal message comes out of nowhere to tell me that my system is up-to-date. Alright then.
 
I've once had a popup from java to tell me it needed an update, i run the thing, and them im told it was up to date already
are you fucking kidding me =.=
 
I think they're trying to advertise how they're not that slow anymore.
 
@Borgleader happens with flash to me
I think I've forgot how haskell works
Shouldn't:
let (!?) = (==)
compile?
 
12:36 AM
this looks like a perfect example of bootstrap
(or at least, it looks to me like that site uses bootstrap, i cba to check)
 
no it doesn't
 
Yes it does
 
it doesn't look like it uses bootstrap.
 
The grid and navbar
 
12:40 AM
You're showing me examples of sites that don't look like it uses bootstrap.
When I imagine something looking like bootstrap I mean things that stick to the default look and make it obvious
 
Beh, you can usually tell
 
Oh I meant the websites in the gallery, they all have the same feel overall
 
I can only tell immediately w/ navbar or forms
 
If you can't it just means you're bad at recognising Bootstrap :v
 
I'm willing to bet you can't recognise most of the sites linked above use bootstrap
They're not immediately obvious
 
user3010322
12:44 AM
What Rapptz is trying to say is that he's a noob. :3
 
k gonna play vidya
adios
 
@ThePhD Look what you did D:
 
user3010322
:c
 
lol :P
 
user3010322
I was just joking around.. ;~;
 
12:47 AM
So guys. Do you program top-down (from the interface you want to the small implementations details) or bottom-up (viceversa)?
 
The question is awful. Got it.
 
“Oh, baby,” he said, swirling the whiskey in his tumbler. “Women are like WEP-encrypted networks. They’re fatally flawed." @mallelis
I replied
> OTOH WEP-encrypted networks can be read with relatively little effort, so it's not quite the same
@LucDanton be sure to dismiss it using the close button on the window decoration. It might be a virus/overlay trick. #paranoid (on linux, xkill works wonders)
 
1:02 AM
 
1:32 AM
@sehe worst font ever
 
It's called a handwriting. And calligraphy at that.
 
It's literally hitler.
 
Literally it's "beautiful-writing"
 
What does it say at the end? "be the same crowd that applaud your ..."?
 
beheading
 
1:35 AM
then?
 
People like a show.
 
I see.
I'd prefer reading that in comic sans.
 
You are literally Hitler
 
I actually think it would be easier to guess the word of an MD5 hash
 
@Jefffrey How easy do you expect it to be?
 
1:40 AM
Impossible manually.
(without a computer)
Computationally, I just know it's considered broken.
 
It has collisions, not the same as guessing the input
It's finding a different input with the same hash
 
@Jefffrey If you mean guessing at an input that will produce a specified output, then that's still difficult. What can be done is finding two (previously unknown) inputs that produce the same output.
 
Well, every hashing algorithm that produces a fixed size hash has that problem, no?
 
Yes
But in case of MD5 the space is small enough for the attack to be practical
 
more like every hashing algorithm period afaik, otherwise youd just use the input
 
1:46 AM
@Borgleader wat
just use the input for what?
 
Hashes are fixed-size by definition :v
 
@Borgleader If you allow the output size to vary with the input size, then you don't necessarily get collisions (but then it's usually called "encryption" not "hashing").
 
right, but still "otherwise you'd just use the input" doesn't make sense to me :/
 
Well I'm assuming the hash is being use for purr.... wait for it... formance (suspense added for @CatPlusPlus' enjoyment), if your hash does not reduce the input set (and therefore has no collisions) you gain nothing, at which point, just use the input directly
 
@CatPlusPlus It's not just a matter of small enough space -- a specific weakness in the algorithm was found that makes the attack reasonably practical. With no weakness, you'd expect to need about 2^64 attempts to have a 50% chance of a collision. Exploiting its weakness, you can find a collision much faster (last time I did it took around 45 minutes on a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV).
 
1:52 AM
I guess
 
@JerryCoffin so probably 5 min on a modern cpu?
 
Never really paid much attention to details
 
@Borgleader Would depend heavily on whether you rewrote the code for multithreading. You might be able to manage 5 minutes or so with really good threading. Single-threaded, probably more like 15-20 minutes or so.
 
> A 2013 attack by Xie Tao, Fanbao Liu, and Dengguo Feng breaks MD5 collision resistance in 2^18 time. This attack runs in less than a second on a regular computer.[2]
I imagine they used a GPU
 
@Borgleader See, he's friendly.
Good morning.
 
@MarkGarcia Let the Linux vs Windows shitposting begin!
 
I need an SSH client with better saved connections organisation
PuTTy is a mess with 20 of those
 
@Borgleader 2^18... you could but SSE would be enough for that
@Borgleader already posted that... it's on raymond's latest blog... where people are bitching at how broken the STL is on windows concerning UTF-8
 
@Mgetz C++ is broken wrt to text anyway so =/
 
2:39 AM
@Mgetz STL, Windows, UTF-8. Wat?
 
@MarkGarcia the standard library on windows fails horridly when trying to use UTF-8 with any sort of IO
 
C++ fails horribly at Unicode always
 
@Mgetz The standard library doesn't really have any meaningful support on Unicode. Not just windows.
 
@MarkGarcia I'm aware... the main issue is that windows makes it worse in many ways... raymond explains it better than I can so read his blog.
 
@Mgetz Might try implementing it just for the lulz
 
2:42 AM
@Borgleader thought about it... but no hoping libc++ comes to windows soon
either way I'm off for the night
 
It doesn't even break anything
 
3:21 AM
Plane in 90 mimutes.
I feel like I forgot to pack something.
 
I always do last minute packing but I always have a list on what have to be packed
time to do open house ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't sweat it -- of course you did. Everybody does.
 
I have here: laptop, chargers, clothes, phone, ID, book. Really feels like something very important is missing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tooth brush/tooth paste? Money/card?
 
Keys, wallet
Headphones :v
 
3:27 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes money at atm?
 
Yeah, keys and wallet too.
Oh well.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
I guess it just feels wrong because packing consisted of getting more kinds of stuff out than putting stuff in.
I doubt they'd let me in on the plane with a first aid kit and flint and steel.
 
@Rapptz That's new. The Animal Kingdom specials show that much blood only during Shark Week.
 
user3010322
3:33 AM
._.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Flint and steel might get by, but I'm pretty sure the bow and arrows just won't fly (pardon the pun).
 
user3010322
Mm.
 
user3010322
Hex grid math.
 
@ThePhD Is that intended as a command? I don't place hexes on anything (least of all forms of math) without proper payment.
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin It would be, but I don't have the proper number of virgins for the kind of hex I'd want. :(
 
3:44 AM
You need a witcher. They take payment in orens.
 
I feel that calling WS VM "uranus" is appropriate
 
Windows Server?
 
@thephd I have an answer on SO with all the details.
In C#
Search my answers for "catan".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have my attention
 
(I would but phone and a bit tired and plane)
 
3:57 AM
13
A: Data structure for Settlers of Catan map?

R. Martinho FernandesA simple structure to store an hexagonal grid when you care only about hexagons, is a matrix, with an hexagon at (x,y) being a neighbor of hexagons at (x, y±1), (x±1,y), and (x±1,y+1) for even xs or (x±1,y-1) for odd xs. We can evolve this idea to allow fast lookup of edges and vertices. You add...

 
Yep. Thanks.
 
Oh hey I upvoted that
:laffo:
Aug 2 '11 at 16:52, by Cat Plus Plus
There you go, you repwhore.
 
lol
 
hi all
!!welcome taco
 
we have no chatbots
hi
 
4:06 AM
I believe the exclamation marks at the beginning of the sentence should be upside down
 
Seems most of his recent chat activity is in Trash Can
 
oh ok, i was looking for the chatroom rules, first time here
 
rules are --->
 
Thanks, I see it now
 
hint right hint
 
4:07 AM
edit 2
 
So, I brought this amazon.com/gp/aw/d/… to read on the plane. In hindsight, it's not the most uplifting thing to read while in a plane.
 
A phobia of getting de-orbited?
 

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
@CatPlusPlus clever name lol
 
> robot_redir=1
Made especially for you.
 
4:09 AM
thanks @MarkGarcia
Do any of you program on a Mac?
 
You came here and the first thing you looked for was the rules?
Someone give this person a coo-- a taco.
 
lol
I got kicked out of my fair share of IRC chatrooms 10 years ago for being a noob
3
 
That’s quite brave of you to admit it.
 
I think we've all been kicked from IRCs at one point.
Sometimes I got kicked as a funny joke
 
I got kicked once for a Chuck Norris joke, but that was just and fair
 
4:13 AM
lol
 
I was trying to learn Linux and got alot of RTFM's and kicked once or twice
or three times or four times. Or five times
 
This is an amazing screen for multiple reasons
 
I guess that's the way to do it. Rescue CD, eh?
 
@taco I tried once, but found the Mac much less comfortable than a chair.
 
Once OS X came out, I jumped on the bandwagon
 
4:15 AM
@Cat what am I looking at?
 
Fun fact: Steve Jobs paid the company I worked for to support OS X when it came out
 
To fully appreciate it: on the right we have a VBox running Fedora running virt-manager connected to remote hypervisor and relaying a remote VM console over SSH, on the left is SSH to the remote hypervisor in which I SSH to the running VM
 
@taco Less fun fact: Steve Jobs is dead because he was an arrogant asshole.
 
Also it turns out installing Fedora on a fresh VM is a faster way of updating virt-manager than fighting with Ubuntu repos
(And doubly so for superbroken source distribution of virt-manager)
 
 
4:17 AM
Kinda seems obvious in hindsight, no?
 
@JerryCoffin
 
Yeah
Also: the remote VM is Funtoo
No more fighting Ubuntu ever
again
I've purged most of the packages from hypervisor and only left tools + libvirt/KVM
 
I'm actually having health issues now, so I don't see why Steve Jobs would not see the best doctor available. His pride got the best of him
One of my 3 doctors is a sh*tbag. I'd like to key his car
I'm pretty sure he just see's $$$ when I walk in the room
@CatPlusPlus Are you running on a rescue CD?
 
Your health issue disfigured you into a dollar sign?
 
I'm not sure. I haven't gotten a proper diagnosis yet
That'll cost me $37,404.32
 
4:21 AM
Rescue is there to prepare stage3
 
Are you building a system manually?
 
I'm excited about having a *ntoo server again
 
@taco Fortunately there's always hope. It took a few years, but one of the regulars here just recently managed to get a long-term problem under control (I'm not sure I'd say exactly cured yet, but at least able to function fairly normally again).
 
Funtoo makes me think of Ubunto
 
Probably more than it's healthy but I'm supernerd
Funtoo is a Gentoo derivative
Fuck Ubuntu forever
 
4:22 AM
Ah
I wish vampires existed as it would solve one of my health problems
 
Namely not being a vampire?
 
I have iron overload in my blood via Hemachromatosis, so I need my blood drained
 
This looks like a good time to use the word ‘phlebotomy’ while being topical — a rare occasion.
 
@JerryCoffin Wait. So he was dysfunctional all this time...
 
And now he's on drugs
 
4:25 AM
Yep, gotta get phlebotomomomized
Got a hematology appt with a fourth doctor Monday. I've seen her once before
That visit cost me $450 for a 1 hour consultation
 
Protip: "Hello, I'm travelling to Berlin." is not a good way to introduce yourself to the check-in counter people when flying from Berlin.
 
I was wondering why they had a Financial Counselor when I first showed up....
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you updating us live-ish?
 
Man, I haven't touched Gentoo since 2001 or so
 
@MarkGarcia Yes, I'd say "Unable to get/hold a job for roughly three years" qualifies as fairly dysfunctional.
 
4:28 AM
lol
 
@Luc maybe :S
 
@JerryCoffin good to hear
 
Asking for a friend.
 
Of course, some of use are dysfunctional on a more permanent basis, though for less...physical reasons.
 
@CatPlusPlus what are you trying to accomplish in that screenshot?
 
4:29 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I was wondering how come there were so many Old Worlders still up at this time. It’s not that unusual, but still surprising. But if you have somewhere to be, and Cat, then it’s not that surprising anymore.
 
It just has an amazing amount of things about it
I'm a nerd okay
3
 
I'd say you're a geek. That's pretty geeky
 
I never sleep before taking a plane in the early morning.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, it's perfectly fine.
 
I was a RHEL admin, and I'm saying 'F** that sh**'
If you do that at home, you gotta really love Linux
 
4:31 AM
I'd rather sleep on the plane and risk getting incepted than missing the plane.
 
@taco We tend to say ‘fuck that shit’ around here.
 
@LucDanton fuck yeah ok
 
Ah, not de-orbits then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that a Nolan reference?
 
Kinda
It's a reference to 30 Rock where Jack made a reference to Inception.
I incept all my Inception references
 
4:35 AM
I've been to 30 Rock. It's pretty cool
 
Good call--one rule we do enforce is against animated GIFs (being posted directly--links to them are fine).
 
See? I came this close
t(ツ)_/¯
 
4:47 AM
Do any of you guys have any recommendations for creating Windows installers?
I'm debating on building a Windows PC to do so, or find an OSX app that rolls Windows installers
or maybe use Wine to run a Windows app
 
@taco Yes--I advise against it.
 
@JerryCoffin against which
 
@taco Creating Windows installers.
 
Hmm, so it looks like when I hover over your comment, it highlights the first line of my comment
How did you do that?
Did you hit that little reply arrow?
 
yes
 
4:50 AM
@taco You are positively scintillating tonight Watson!
 
Also you can edit your own messages :D
 
Why would you advise against Windows installers?
I have some people who won't install my app because Chrome advises against it, because it's an exe in a zip file
My windows testing PC crashed, and I'm not sure I want to buy another Windows box. Maybe setup a VM at best
It's a solid beta, so I'm ready to package it for the Windows noobs and scaredy cats
 
@taco Installation is probably the biggest problem with Windows (and it has a lot of competition for that title).
 
Yeah. Sigh. Rock and a hard place
@JerryCoffin can I see how you distribute your apps?
I really don't want to create an installer anyways
 
Why, provide a self-modifying executable that updates over the network and requires elevated privileges on every execution. It makes life so much more convenient for your users!
This bothers me so much ._.
 
4:56 AM
I've only got 100 users or so, not very active
I'm wondering if not having an installer is keeping people from using it
 
@LucDanton There you have it!
 
Come to think of it, Chrome is probably alerting because the app isn't codesigned
I've never done that, though
$95 a year to get my code signed. For an app with 100 users. Meh.
And that's just for windows. Apple charges $99. My linux app doesn't seem to cause issues
 
@taco NSIS
Or Wix if you really need MSI packages
 
I actually looked NSIS
It has binaries for everything but OSX
Solaris, Lin, Win, etc
 
That's more relevant for admin deployment stuff though, NSIS is way more developer friendly
Serves you right for using ShitX
 
5:09 AM
haha
We're on opposite sides of the spectrum my friend
I love Linux, but I leave it at the office
Well, I run my node apps on it, but I haven't used it as my desktop since the early 2000's
 
I don't use Linux on desktop
But OSX is still shit
 
heh
I disagree. I rarely lift a finger
All the while you're building kernels
I was a DC Tech and Linux admin until a few years ago. Didn't want to compile my video drivers when I got home every few months and such
 
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
I don't use Linux on desktop
 
Plus I hate KDE and Gnome
Oh, right
 
I use i3 for my desktop VMs
 
5:14 AM
You're a cat, how are you managing that
My cat can't pay attention for two seconds, let alone use a computer
What OS are you running i3 on? I don't see Windows listed
Or is the list of OS's the VM's will run i3wm.org/downloads
I'll see you kids later. I'm heading to bed
/me gives @CatPlusPlus some milk
 
5:30 AM
i3 Looks interesting indeed. Might look into that for one my linux VM's.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:03 AM
2 hours ago?
 
Bleeegh bridged net doesn't work
 
So the only ATM I found here can only dispense NOK, SEK, and USD. Where the fuck am I and how do I get real money?
 
user3010322
7:26 AM
I forgot what the German unit of money is.
 
user3010322
It's just Euros, right?
 
Yes.
It doesn't help that I used the last of my pocket money to buy a book I saw on the way :S
 
user3010322
Haha.
 
user3010322
The book beguiled you with its lovely cover and promise of stories untold?
 
I have a tendency of randomly put foreign currencies in the drawers after coming back from a trip. So when open the drawers once in a while I am always overwhelmed by the amount of money I have in those drawers ... p.s. this is not an invitation to burgle my house because I can be overwhelmed by very small amount of $
 
7:31 AM
More like "oh that one's on my list; I'm sure I'll never have another opportunity to acquire it, right?"
 
user3010322
Never ever in the whole wide world for the warranty on your gears.
 
user3010322
Suddenly, a whole pile of the books.
 
for the suicidal terrorists? :x
p.s. some of those planes are not ugly, they are just ... fat
 
> Whenever the oxygen generator broke down
> Whenever
Gosh.
 
7:42 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If only we had an ability to buy things whenever from wherever
Fucking bridging/routing shit
I can ping the external IP from hypervisor now, but not from outside
 
somethings are never for sale, otherwise emperors, queens and billionaries would be alive for ever
 
Everything is set like internet says why
whyyyy
 
I figured out long time ago that non of my major problems can be solved by money - NONE of them ...
Also, I miss my pet roosters
 
holy shitnizzles, it's raining super hard
 
8:07 AM
why people pay for expensive limo when a brand new, refitted, small coach would be way more comfortable
or does it exist already?
Oo, empty lines ...
 
I wonder if supporting thread local storage means increased global variable use?
 
Who wants globals will make globals
Better thread local globals than global globals
Also fuck fiddling with this networking shit, everything behind NAT it is!!
 
Xeo
8:33 AM
@EtiennedeMartel INTERESTING
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
where are you?
 
test .. nm
 

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