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12:00 AM
lol how stupid
 
so
someone edits an answer to replace "girls" with "assistants"
and everyone else discusses it on meta
 
Conclusion: nobody has a life
 
is this some sort of new procrastination method?
 
definitely
 
because I'll be damned if playing Quake all day isn't more beneficial than this
 
12:01 AM
It most definitely is
At least playing Quake all day is entertaining
 
I got bored with Quake before you were born ; )
 
How young do you think we are? :|
 
well our ages are public
or rather, for those who chose to make them public
 
I see you're also using emoticons - do you also happen to know their meaning? :|
 
12:03 AM
to cater for all ages though
s/Quake/games/
 
Man newbies who don't read the rules don't know what they're missing.
I read the rules from time to time just to laugh at them.
 
we should use that as a starred and pinned message for reading rules
maybe some will actually become curious to see what the hell is so good about the rules and read them
 
Sidebar has visibility problem
 
@AlexM. Going for the monkeys writing Shakespeare approach?
 
it's more akin to reverse psychology if you ask me
like, instead of saying "Read the rules to avoid getting bit" you say "Man, I hope nobody reads the rules to see all the funny stuff in there"
 
12:08 AM
There were tons of different funny/not funny/witty/anything messages about the rules there, the fact that people don't see/read them is the problem(?), not that they don't understand it
 
1:00 AM
shaking my head
No implication was required. The plain meaning of the text, as written, and as interpreted by me, was that the OP chose to use the term "girls" instead of something neutral like "people" because he wished to associate the term "girls" with "people whose machines performed no useful work in the context". I would hope the OP could clarify whether this was his intention, or whether it just came out that way (maybe the only "guy" whose machine performed "no useful work"was out on vacation). — John Saunders 7 mins ago
 
poor sbi
 
wtf is wrong with these people
 
oh well
apparently upvoting takes 15 rep
 
(even though, in this case, he's actually explicitly calling triggering it >.>)
 
@Borgleader depends on if you intend for SFINAE of sorts or not
 
1:06 AM
an extension that replaces the word cloud with butt
@CatPlusPlus would love this
 
it's ancient dude
 
yes i know about it you're slow thank you
 
3 hours ago, by chris
@CatPlusPlus Don't even know why, but that reminds me of Cloud to Butt
 
Apr 11 at 12:00, by Cat Plus Plus
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/apmlngnhgbnjpajelfk‌​mabhkfapgnoai?hl=en
 
@chris ohhh, i saw that message but didnt actually click the link
 
1:08 AM
It's been all the craze on Reddit for quite some time.
 
i managed not to see it until now o.o
thats odd
 
Even older.
Sep 17 '13 at 10:05, by not-rightfold
@GamesBrainiac I mean this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/apmlngnhgbnjpajelfkmabhkfapgnoai?hl=en.
 
I wonder who not-rightfold is, if it's not rightfold.
 
not-rightold is rightfold
 
did rightfold die again?
 
1:10 AM
leftfold
 
he hasn't been on chat since 4 days ago
RIP
 
@Rapptz oh yeah, now that you mention it, it has been "a while"
 
Shit, I really have no life. Do I really need to argue about sexism on a supposedly programming site? :| Think I'll get some sleep instead, goodnight ;0
 
Just ignore that meta thread
It's such a dumb thread
 
yeah, that's a good word for it
and I was dumb enough to went for it : )
g'night
 
1:12 AM
nn
 
@Rapptz he has left
got it
I'm sorry.
 
You should be
 
Which sexism post is this?
 
I managed to get Monokai as my terminal colour scheme
pretty cool
 
I've set up a django app in 30 minutes. That took way less than expected. I'm usually terrible at installing stuff.
 
1:16 AM
django is brainded easy
 
It's very tempting.
 
@Rapptz on linux? actually why am i asking... windows console sucks lol
 
lol obviously
 
I'm about to learn one of the most important lessons of my career: a fast but ugly wheel is better than a reinvented one.
Took me a whole year to digest.
 
When's the next lesson?
 
1:19 AM
next year duh
 
1:30 AM
probably bullshit, still funny though
 
I prefer giant asteroid hitting earth story
stone hit earth & we are all dead, much quick & less painful
 
@Rapptz Can’t say I’m fond of it.
 
1:47 AM
@LucDanton I couldn't find many other ones that had a good palette.
What do you suggest?
@chmod711telkitty That's not how it works.
 
Well it’s all personal. I’ve been using earendel for a while.
 
Oh you meant for vim.
 
I enjoy muted palettes to go with dark backgrounds. Surprisingly harder to find than I would have expected. (e.g. earendel has vivid greens)
 
Do you have a screenshot?
I can't find any online
 
Eh I have dark-tango or something for the terminal and it works about the same.
 
1:50 AM
I did Vexa's Lab and still 176/177 :(
 
this looks cool I suppose
 
@Rapptz with a big enough rock, that will happen
 
@chmod711telkitty No.
With a big enough rock the Earth would cease to exist.
The theory for dinosaur extinction wasn't explicitly related to the "rock".
It was the after effects
 
I have a custom scheme for my terminal which I may or may not have generated from a vim colorscheme, I don’t remember.
 
1:53 AM
@LucDanton This froze my browser
I think I'll pass for now lol
 
It loads slowly ye :s
 
It would have been easier to just take a screenshot
 
@CatPlusPlus The Wiki doesn’t list any easily missed zone and I don’t have an IG map available.
@Rapptz I disagree.
 
:<
 
Yeah it sucks
 
1:55 AM
Follow link, Ctrl-F.
 
@Rapptz if the thing hit the earth was big enough, we would all vaporize instantly - it would be tremendously hot
 
Do you even know what you're talking about?
The theory doesn't even mention heat.
Quite the opposite, it's cold.
 
@CatPlusPlus what game is this? Sounds like a gw2 jumping puzzle
 
yeah 2 rocks hit each other, it is going to be cold ... nope I think you are talking about a smaller asteroid hitting earth - dust will cover the sky and vegetation will die & because there is no sunshine & it would be cold too
 
2:00 AM
Jesus.
 
@CatPlusPlus Rebel's Seclusion in Fireheart Rise? To the North-East, next to Breaktooth's Waypoint. Not easily missed, but better cover the obvious stuff, too.
 
you can produce fire with 2 pieces of small rocks
 
@LucDanton You play GW2 as well? woah i thought i was the only lounger playing it
 
Flame Temple Tombs in Diessa? You get there from a portal after an event to the north east of that zone. Mini-dungeon.
 
now imagine the rocks are 100 million, billion, billion times bigger
 
2:02 AM
Oh I think you can explore that normally, what with the vista and all.
 
I have both on the map
The annoying this is that you can't tell where a zone should be and where the map is just flavour
 
I once had a bug where it said I was missing stuff even though the icon was flagged as completed on my map =/
 
Yup. It could be one of those. I can’t think of any more mini-dungeons :(
Meaning the rest are areas you can just walk into :s
 
I'll do map completion and then worry about explorer achievements
Because that guesswork is really not very fun
 
Like that, you can miss that if the event is not up I guess.
 
2:07 AM
@Rapptz when entering the atmosphere of earth at high enough speed, everything burns, now imagine the moon is going to enter it
 
@LucDanton I hate the ones that are event locked :(
 
actually we might get slowly roasted ... lemme post it on physics Q & A site ...
 
didnt log in for a while and now I have 100 WvW Tournament Claim Tickets
 
user3010322
3:03 AM
@Borgleader I refuse to acknowledge such heinous punnery. D:
 
3:55 AM
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Q: What if an asteroid the size of the moon hitting earth

chmod 711 telkittyWould we all parish due to excessive heat? Or would that be only limited to the area near the impact while as the people on rest of the earth would die from other phenomenons such as mega earthquakes, volcanic activities, tsunamis etc. Does it matter where the impact is - if it landed in antarcti...

 
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
6am FFS
 
Too tired to work, but can't fall asleep
Shit sucks
 
@CatPlusPlus Shit stinks. If it sucked, that might be useful.
 
 
1 hour later…
Xeo
5:32 AM
@StackedCrooked It does indeed
It also has a very nice soundtrack
 
user3010322
My power adapter just officially kicked the bucket.
 
user3010322
New one has no ETA.
 
user3010322
Fuck.
 
user3010322
6:17 AM
error: 'explicit' cannot be used with 'virtual'
 
user3010322
Well. Fuck.
 
user3010322
Anyone here ever done Tessellation before?
 
9:13 AM
unlikely
 
Jesus man. Not you too.
Was that posted on reddit or something?
 
that's old
 
virtual functions are annoying me
 
I've had it for a while, it's pretty nice. You forget it, and then you read some article and it surprises you.
 
9:22 AM
lol
 
9:35 AM
Hi
What's new?
I'm amazed how nodejs defines a toJSON function for Date but is unable to convert it back to Date with JSON.parse
 
JSON has no dates, so that's impossible.
 
I'm aware of that but then why define a toJSON function on dates if it's not standart ?
 
Because Node.js was written by fools.
 
not going to argue about that
 
how is it related to nodejs?
Date is defined in v8
 
9:44 AM
It's better to have a function schema that you pass some format to and returns a pair of functions to decode and encode.
There are libraries for that.
 
additional dependencies are a pain in the ass
 
Date is part of the standard
 
Good luck writing software then.
Have fun doing everything yourself.
 
@FlorianMargaine yes but the standard doesn't define how json date string can be decoded
@PolymorphicPotato It just seems ridiculous that in 2014 we can't easily decode json dates without additional dependencies
 
JSON has no dates.
You have to tell something that a specific JSON string denotes a date
You cannot possibly have JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(someDate)) return a date, since JSON has no dates.
 
9:49 AM
well there are the JSON schemas that could solve that problem
 
I don't see the problem of dependencies.
 
 
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11:21 AM
holy shit mma/snute game 3...
 
11:52 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix edm?
@Gilles I am an unmarried woman, so by your definition it would be factual to refer to me as a "girl". I am 65 years old, with a doctorate in computer science, over 30 years working for computer manufacturers, and an inventor on half a dozen US patents. Would you use "boy" to refer to an unmarried man with similar background? If not, that use of "girl" is sexist. — Patricia Shanahan 17 hours ago
Lol
 
Patricia is a dumb person.
4
 
It may be the answerers "right" to judge, but it's hardly relevant to the answer. Also, the use of the smiley ("first time their machines did anything useful :)") suggest a loaded message. "Wink wink, we all know computers are not for girls", "Girls can't be real programmers". Whatever. It's just irrelevant. "Some of these machines were pretty over-dimensioned, so in a way they were finally getting some use". There. No sexism, no jokery, just information. Greatness. — sehe 10 secs ago
@PolymorphicPotato Wow. I didn't now that. Thanks for informing me. To think I might have valued her contribution there. Eeeeww. Thanks again!
 
No problem mate.
 
Ell
I don't think the first paragraph is sexist anyway
 
I don't think a quadruple negation is hardly never not over the top
 
Ell
12:05 PM
:P
Sorry xD
 
@PolymorphicPotato I've decided to star this message. Its profound wisdom, acute insight, coupled with well-argued foundation does really merit wider audience.
Also, it is an excellent example of a psychological device used to great rhetoric effect.
 
@PatriciaShanahan: If only you were the inventor of six EU patents, it might actually mean something. US patents, lol. — Puppy 4 mins ago
 
12:21 PM
@Puppy you mean like Skype's patent on instant messaging? Or the one on parallel downloads, or on "a system for deployment of software"? Yeah, go EU patents!
 
they're not quite as bad as US patents, I thought.
 
honestly, after doing some digging through EU (software) patent a few months ago, I'm not so sure
where we're doing better than the US is in the dumber patents not often being enforced or used to sue on spurious grounds
but the patents exist alright
 
well, I feel like even if it's hard to argue that EU patents aren't better, it's still pretty easy to argue that "Inventor of six US patents" is pretty meaningless as an accomplishment.
 
I'm patenting patents.
 
@Mysticial You don't do performance stuff at work?
 
Ell
12:41 PM
Patents are meh
 
@Ell talk with @JerryCoffin about that
 
Patents are nice.
 
1:01 PM
@InfiniteRecursion You're assuming that "first time those machines did anything useful" was because they were girls; it could be just because they were non-technical users. I'd give the benefit of the doubt on that. — Veedrac 17 hours ago
most accurate comment so far
i mean sure, he didnt have to mention the users were girls, but OP still deserves the benefit of the doubt.
 
1:19 PM
Patents have been introduced By Patricia
@Borgleader Also precisely the reason why it should never have said "the girls" in the first place. It's wildly inaccurate and irrelevant. "The machines of our non-technical users". There. Fixed it!
Hilariously, this is exactly the vein of the single-word edit that was deemed to minor. s/girls/assistants/ makes the message purer and clearer.
@Borgleader He deserves the benefit of the doubt, and the post deserves the edit. Meh. So boring.
@Jefffrey For a moment, I hought you meant the "Hello" line :)
 
@sehe how is assistants more accurate? or less sexist for that matter? girls are assistants? they can't be managers? if youre going to edit "the girls" it should be removed not replaced with something else which would be pure guesswork by whoever edited.
 
It's more accurate because it tells you they have a different role, explaining the potential unused hardware potential. You cannot explain that by asserting they have a different gender.
@Borgleader More informative, communicative of intent. Not "historically, statistically" accurate.
Off the wall: Here I was thinking my little person was a pedant.
Turns out there's a difference between being a pedant and trying to hide behind pedant arguments.
Also, hilarious fact: Only now did follow the link to notice that the answer was by an ape :)
(grabs popcorn waiting for the pack of wolves to jump on the "ape" reference and tear it apart as being derogatory)
 
you might be waiting a while, afaik the ape refers to himself as such
 
^ you totally fulfilled my expectation
 
(and yes, i realize there might be a double meaning in this case)
@sehe happy to oblige
 
1:37 PM
Oh well. It's all about intents, audiences etc. I don't doubt no harm was meant. I don't doubt that it was accurate. I'm also pretty sure it's just better to disambiguate.
Because, in the world we're in, we don't need to echo the idea that "girls aren't technical" all the time, not even if it happens to (still) be true. It becomes a self-reinforcing thing, one that is making many people unhappy because it just tends to limits their lives, or at least make it harder than necessary.
I don't think I work that way, but I don't deny that there are people that apparently do.
 
@sehe Oh sure I totally agree. I just tend to give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time, otherwise life gets really depressing if you don't.
 
Because I can look around my tiny little office, and imagine whether a woman would likely enjoy working there without modifications to office culture.
@Borgleader I do, all the time. But you don't need to justify anything on that grounds. I repeat this /awesome/ recap (because it was mine):
> The person deserves the benefit of the doubt, and the post deserves the edit. There. Solved.
 
> Unfancy JavaScript with Manual Memory Management
Why would anyone want a dialect of CoffeeScript with manual memory management?
 
@sehe Ah, no, I wasn't justifying anything. I shouldn't have lumped those two sentences together. The first was in direct reply to you. The second was more of a general comment about myself wrt situations like these.
 
1:47 PM
@sehe Like how we don't need to have gay pride marches to echo the idea that "gays are different and stigmatised", even if it happens to (still) be true. It becomes a self-reinforcing thing, one that is making many people unhappy because it's too fucking colourful and obnoxious, or at least more obnoxious than necessary.
 
pretty cool setup
 
@Borgleader sehe has a pretty important point though. You can give people the benefit of the doubt, and still stamp down on the stuff they said which some people are going to take the wrong way if it is left undisputed. :)
huh, who'd have thought it. Apparently iced tea doesn't have to be gross and sweet/synthetic tasting
consider my mind blown
 
@jalf Re-read what you're replying to =/ I just said I agreed with him
 
why is spending money so hard? :|
 
it's, er, really not
 
1:58 PM
@corvid Just spending money is easy. Spending money well is extremely difficult.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ?
 
@JerryCoffin exactly why it's hard to justify buying a mac...
they're good computers but sometimes I feel like a huge amount of the price goes to service and customer support that I never use...
 
@corvid I don't find it hard to justify buying a Mac. I'm quite certain that on objective, rational grounds, it's essentially impossible.
 
@JerryCoffin %s/it's/is/
 
hmm
virtual functions: they annoy me.
 
2:08 PM
@Jefffrey Wait a minute. No, what I have is just fine.
 
@Borgleader what's confusing?
spending money is easy. too easy.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh yep. I read "on" as "an".
 
you can have many bases, that can have many virtual functions, that can have many overrides, and they may have various attributes.
 
2:27 PM
@Borgleader Sure. I don't see the contradiction. :)
 
@jalf Not so much a contradiction as pointing out something I have just stated I agreed with.
 
Ell
ahhhh I just got why delimited continuations are delimited :L
 
@Ell care to elaborate?
 
Ell
reset {
println(1)
shift { (cont: Unit => Unit) => }
println(2)
}
the continuation is delimited by shift & reset
a shift has to be in a reset
 
o.o is that F#?
 
Ell
2:38 PM
whereas a callcc can occur anywhere and captures the entire continuation
@Borgleader Scala
 
ah, at first i thought you were taking about a math concept
 
Ell
It's a CS concept I guess :P
 
more like a SCala concept ;)
 
Ell
Oh dear :P
 
@Rapptz and @ThePhD arent here, so i can punnerize all i want
 
2:55 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think you got it. Highly similar syndromes yes
 
3:07 PM
Wrong shell :). I know you are typing dirty urls or UNC paths now
 
not even a little
 
Mmm. You were typing repeat substitutions?
Or do you fancy single line comments in chat?
Or did you mistake this for a IRC channel with /commands :)
 
A single slash, but I banged on the key a little bit since I couldn’t see it where intended :(
ye
 
Oh. I often type ls or similar silliness in Skype
 
Ell
I wonder if there are any programmes that can visualise a mock debug session
Ie highlight a set of lines in sequence
 
3:15 PM
@sehe :)
 
Ell
I think vim is great but I think a gui is useful for the settings part
 
3:36 PM
virtual functions: annoying
 
Ell
annoying to what?
 
implement.
they're not conceptually that difficult, but virtually all of the relationships are many-to-many and Itanium specifies a few things that make life harder.
 
you're following GCC's ABI?
 
it's not GCC's ABI, it's the ABI of virtually everybody except Microsoft.
so if you want to be compatible with C++ code then yes
 
oh, the only time i came across it was while reading gcc stuff
my bad
 
3:43 PM
and it's kinda annoying because I obviously want to implement my own additions on top of that.
and it specifies a bunch of things that plain don't really apply
 
Ell
I didn't even know you had to do ABI stuff
I thought llvm did it
 
not really.
they handle some C-ABI stuff.
like calling conventions
and some C++ ABI stuff you can just ask Clang to do.
and some ABI stuff is just provided by the runtime, so you mostly just have to ask it to do stuff.
but the rest you gotta do yourself
 
@Puppy What a bad pun.
 
Ell
@Puppy what abi stuff does clang not do?
 
@Ell Those are two different points.
Clang does all the ABI stuff.
but that doesn't mean you can ask it to do ABI stuff for Wide.
 
Ell
3:56 PM
What ABI stuff does wide need to do?
 
WABI stuff
 
@Ell Mostly aggregate layout, vtable layout, exceptions, virtual calls/rtti
also calling convention for complex types
but one simple example of how this can go wrong is that Wide has different rules for when a function from a derived overrides a base.
and the Itanium ABI rules specify different vtable layouts depending on that.
 
Ell
Wide doesn't have to implement itanium for wide code though does it?
Just when it crosses to c++ land
Or do I just not know what I'm talking about?
 
right, but if you have a user-defined type that you pass to C++ land, then what am I gonna do with all the code that uses it before I see that call?
cause if I have a different layout, then problem.
... on the other hand, I might have a workaround for that.
 
Ell
4:11 PM
You can pass wide types to c++ code?
 
I only see one example on that page
 
use the dropdown next to "Compile"
 
well that's clear as mud
looks like it will change the "Compile" to some other action
anyway, in that example you didn't really "pass it to c++ code"
kinda
 
I didn't realize that push_back was written in Wide.
 
4:19 PM
by that logic the entire program is written in assembly
I think the question is, can you write code in the C++ box that uses types defined in the Wide box?
 
Ell
is type() the ctor?
 
yes.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Currently, you can't name Wide types, you can only take them via template.
 
I've been thinking about how I'd implement changing that, but it can get kinda messy
Clang simply isn't set up to be extended in that way
or, well, pretty much any way.
 
Ell
Is the wide compiler going to support plugins?
 
4:28 PM
binary plugins is a bit problematic because of the executable architecture on Windows
 
and unary plugins?
 
but if you were to precompile them and link them in at link-time instead of loading at run-time, you could do quite a bit with the current compiler architecture.
one way in which exposing to Clang has really helped is that my internals have to be quite flexible to accomodate it
 
4:43 PM
I found Vlad's car
 
lol
there's a new dracula movie coming, and this one involves some more historical stuff than before
meh, if you asked me, vlad the impaler's true story is much more horrifying than a bunch of vampire crap
 
hello
 
who's that, looks familiar
 
@AlexM. I'd have to agree. I wonder if the vampire stuff wasn't originally pushing it over the top enough that it could target a wider audience (e.g., a bit like cartoon violence).
 
4:56 PM
Parineeti Chopra is an Indian actress who appears in Hindi films.
Also, she has a nice face.
 
One day I should watch this
 
stackoverflow.com/search?q=girls so much offensive content on SO :/
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@Borgleader this guy is awesome : D
 

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