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2:00 PM
> Mr Druz said the rebels wanted to establish a socially responsible state that would protect Christian values.
damn, I didn't realize these guys were also religious zealots.
 
wtf, the first comment
 
@jalf was in Brussels, on the way to Portugal.
 
where are you now?
 
outside your apartment of course ... sneaky lounger
there seems to be an inverse correlation between cuteness of the baby and prettiness of the adult
is a baby quail
grows into this
 
nah, corgis are adorable at any age :3
 
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They're all ugly.
 
human babies are ugly as fuck
human adults are cute
especially if girls <3
 
@chmod711telkitty Oh cmon you picked a fucking obese one =/
:D
 
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@Borgleader You didn't specify if they had to be slim.~
 
@ThePhD . . .
 
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2:30 PM
Tee hee.
 
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Also, GUIZE.
 
older dogs tend to be fatter dogs ... just like human
 
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I has interface question.
 
@Stacked Porto.
 
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Blargha.
 
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2:33 PM
I can't think of the way to do this...
 
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So, I have a class called PrimitiveBatch. It's for 3D graphics and it generically determines if a set of Primitives (Vertices + Indices) can be safely grouped into the same Draw call.
 
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I've got the batching part right... but now I need to allow someone to basically "do anything you want" before the draw call...
 
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And that "do anything you want" interface needs to indicate how many times a person wants to re-do the same draw call (for doing things like 1st pass shadow, 2nd pass regular).
 
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... This actually sounds like it would be a really good range dealie, actually.
 
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while ( render_action ) {
     render_action(); // invoke user-specified action
     graphicsdevice->RenderUserIndexedPrimitives( ... ); // do draw call
     ++render_action; // go to the next action
}
 
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2:38 PM
WTB goddamn ranges.
 
quake live's matchmaking sucks
I have no idea what "skill matched" means to them
 
Wide ranges are pretty easy to just slam in
 
because it's certainly not matching others' skill to mine
been getting my ass kicked these past N matches
basically ever since I played enough matches to "analyze my skill"
 
@Puppy Which reminds me I should stop being lazy and work on my stuff
 
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You're making ranges?
 
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2:46 PM
Arrgh
 
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begin and end mean something in C++
 
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Now I have to pick different names...
 
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Start and Finish I guess.
 
first, last
 
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Nah.
 
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2:48 PM
This is for something that is literally started
 
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and then literally stopped
 
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(Batcher)
 
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So. Start and Stop or Start and Finish
 
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Although most immediate APIs have used the terms Begin and End since forever.
 
start/stop
and fuck immediate APIs up their unflexible global-state arseholes with a standard-issue ten-foot pole.
 
3:20 PM
I'd thought Vlad had gotten a little better, but now this: stackoverflow.com/a/25096342/179910
 
@rightfold what's your namae repo all about?
inb4 names
 
@JerryCoffin I gave you +1. Just so you know the "revenge downvote" has not yet been undone :)
 
@StackedCrooked Nor do I expect it to be (ever), to be honest. We'll see, but given his usual intransigence, I doubt he'll even fix his answer either, because doing so would implicitly admit that it was wrong to start with.
 
@AlexM. Hehe, it took me a while before I realized what you were talking about. Thanks :)
@JerryCoffin wow, is it so bad
 
+1'd Jerry, -1'd Vlad
 
3:28 PM
I think I only remember from a Mumble session.
 
Meanwhile another war started. Armenia vs Azerbaijan.
 
The world is going to shit =/
 
eh, not really.
it's just that previously, you would not have heard about these wars or your country would be one of the main pushers making it happen.
 
Holy shit, the notes I took on the dragon book are unreadable... That's what I get for writing them in the train >.<
 
statistically, our world is the safest it's ever been, and increases in violence during economic recessions or climate change periods is a well-documented phenomenon.
 
3:33 PM
i amend my statement, parts of the world are going to shit
 
they were always shit, it's just that they no longer have brutal dictators making them play nice.
 
I accidentally renamed something called process_move into ProcessMoe
processed moe sounds hot
 
it's pretty arguable if that's an improvement or not.
 
anything moe is an improvement
 
@AlexM. A colleague accidentally typed fistuser instead of firstuser. Also sounds hotter.
 
3:35 PM
 
@Puppy of course it's better to hide under a blanket and not listen to anything
 
I didn't realize that the rebel Ukrainians were also batshit insane religious extremists like ISIS.
on top of murdering their own people/soldiers
 
@StackedCrooked Hmm...and suddenly I have downvotes (without comment or explanation) on two other answers as well. He's apparently getting a little smarter about how he plays the game, anyway. The last time I had a run-in with him, he downvoted about a dozen, which was (of course) caught as serial voting. It'll be interesting to see if it catches it for only three.
@Puppy They're not "like" ISIS -- they're "Christian" instead of "Islamic". They're totally opposite (sides of the same coin).
 
@Puppy they executed two marauders right after the war started.
 
another interesting passage
> Refugees fleeing the fighting in the east have told the BBC they believe the Ukrainian government is shelling residential areas, and complain they had to escape at short notice with no warning from the government.
so none of them actually were shelled by the government?
they just thought that they might get shelled.
 
3:42 PM
oh, actually it was single marauder.
 
> A senior adviser to rebels in eastern Ukraine has confirmed that extrajudicial killings have been carried out "to prevent chaos".
pretty clearly killing s.
 
well I just know only about one case. maybe there was more.
 
@Puppy Tough situation to figure out with any certainty. People hit by modern artillery rarely survive, so these would (at most) be people who were nearby. If, however, you're nearby, it's usually pretty hard to guess where the shell came from though (could easily be several miles away).
 
@milleniumbug There is written very clear. However there are men without honour that try to defame answers of others. — Vlad from Moscow 10 mins ago
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Persecution complex much?
 
@JerryCoffin Well, intuitively, it seems to me that aside from who is actually responsible, if there was mass shelling of civilians going on, there should be way more civilian deaths reported and way more people who saw other people nearby actually get shelled to death- like we see in Gaza.
 
3:50 PM
@Puppy so?
and... reported by whom?
Ukrainian government doesn't report anything. and I kinda doubt that many people watch what RussiaToday shows about Ukraine
It's not even a war, officially. just an Anti-Terroristic Operation
 
@Puppy I'd tend to agree with that, but it may be open to question whether there's much qualitative difference in what's being done, or just a difference in the scale on which they're doing it. And just to be clear: I'm not trying to argue in either direction, just admitting that I don't know enough to really even guess at which is more likely, not to mention being at all certain.
 
@Abyx Everybody. They have Internet in Ukraine, you know. And a bunch of Red Cross people and whatnot. Kinda hard for the Ukraine government to hide mass shelling of civilians when they can Tweet about the house next to theirs getting blown up in full view of every satellite in orbit.
 
welp you can see some footage here - youtube.com/watch?v=MuGbWY168tg
@Puppy you know, if you'd google - you'd find a lot of that.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, I think that in war, accidents will happen and civilians will get caught in the crossfire, but I think that if there was some institutional attempt to murder civilians by the Ukraine govt, we would probably know about it. As for the small-scale stuff, I agree that it can be pretty questionable.
@Abyx Well, for one thing, it's hard to Google for people complaining in a language that my keyboard can't even produce, let alone that I actually speak to any useful degree. And secondly, even if you had footage of a provable Ukraine government soldier shooting up a school, one or a few incidents does not make a government-wide war crime, it makes for individual crimes, which is a totally different thing.
first, you'd have to verify every invididual claim (or not), then you'd have to perform a bunch of statistical aggregating, then you'd have to prove that the Ukraine government actually caused the incidents in question.
and finally, I personally can't see the footage because swamp internet is being even more swampy than usual today.
 
@Puppy Especially true in the case of 1) a civil war, and 2) the beginning of a war, when areas that have been peaceful get dangerous very quickly. I do tend to agree though, partly because government troops tend to be well-enough armed that when they do things, it's rarely on a small scale.
 
4:07 PM
well, if you look at Gaza, it's pretty clear that Israel is serious about shelling that place, and they're racking up the bodycount far faster.
 
If they wanted to could do it very easily.
 
@Puppy Yes--while I don't particularly doubt the veracity of the video he linked, I couldn't help thinking that I'm pretty sure I could stage all of what I saw within a few miles of where I'm living pretty easily. I hasten to reiterate: I'm not trying to say that's what happened here, just pointing out that it may qualify as evidence, but falls somewhat short of proof positive.
@Puppy Exactly.
 
@JerryCoffin I only managed to see the first two minutes, and it was just civilians complaining about the war, which is fair enough but also quite independent of Ukraine government war crimes.
 
@Puppy Right. I skipped to a couple of spots into it, but didn't find anything particularly compelling (e.g., some guys with weapons riding in the back of a truck).
 
well, to be fair, I saw the preview of a couple of other shots of it and it included something on fire, so something might actually happen in the other hour and 28 minutes I couldn't watch
 
4:19 PM
@Puppy I did see a couple bits with things on fire as well. One looked like a car on fire, sitting at the edge of a road. The other was a fire in some rubble that (according to the subtitles) was the remains of some barracks a guy was saying had been hit with a missile (well, he actually said "torpedo") from a plane. He said there had been bodies of women and children there, but (assuming that's accurate) by the time the video was shot, they'd been cleared away.
 
int * pvision, * plife, * presult, * pspeed, * ptiming, *plifemax, *pexper, *pmap,
*pstrength, * pcur_weapon,* pcur_magic, *pdefense, *pgold, *pmagic, *plevel, *plast_text, *pmagic_level;
oh man
 
If this were a pure civil war, aircraft being involved would tend to indicate something that had been done by the government, but when both sides (probably) have at least some support from some government (Russian or Ukrainian) that doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot.
 
well, I've never fought a war, but if it's a military barracks, I'd probably assume that it's a valid military target.
 
@AlexM. Yikes! (yes, conscious of speaking calmly about the matter of hundreds of people dying, then getting excited about something like multitudes of pointers to int).
 
@Puppy I'm in the middle of a reconfig
@StackedCrooked NAT works fine, I can't get routed setup to work :v
 
4:25 PM
@Borgleader lol
 
@Puppy Seems to be: "Legitimate military targets include: armed forces and persons who take part in the fighting; positions or installations occupied by armed forces as well as objectives that are directly contested in battle; military installations such as barracks, war ministries, munitions or fuel dumps, storage yards for vehicles, airfields, rocket launch ramps, and naval bases." crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/legitimate-military-targets
 
I don't see what "honour" has to do with this. Quit whining like a child. — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
 
Vlad from Moscow and Alf are both enigmas for me
 
indeed
Loki Astari has his moments, too
 
@AlexM. They're quite different from each other. Alf has been a moderator on comp.lang.c++.moderated for years. I think he mostly does a decent job, but has seen so much spam, crap, etc., for so long that he's very...touchy about answers that have (what he considers) problems in any respect, even those irrelevant to the question at hand. He's also been undergoing (undergone?) some rather painful medical treatment, that seems to (understandably) lead to short temper at times.
 
4:35 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In case you missed it, he was referring to @JerryCoffin =/ ffs
 
@Borgleader yeah
well, Jerry can be a bit of a twat too, but certainly not in this instance
if you can blame Jerry for anything it's not for misunderstanding C++
@SufiDeveloper That's not how we use tags in this room
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Does honorlessness exists?
 
4:38 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm a new kid in tags, was learning how that worked
 
How do you put correctly?
 
@SufiDeveloper I'm kidding :P We have a meme in here that uses tags and yours didn't fit the meme. That's all
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Stop being a dick. :)
 
@Jefffrey says you
 
4:40 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hahaha oook :)
 
apparently this is Jeremy Clarkson back in the 80's @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
Technically, however, Alf is entirely competent. Vlad is at rather the opposite extreme: when he started on SO, he posted (many) answers that were truly awful. He's learned some since, so his answers have improved, but he's still only rather marginal (IMO), while acting as if he should be treated as a sole authority.
@Borgleader Who's Jeremy Clarkson?
 
Wherever you look there is always a war going on
How true
 
@JerryCoffin The host of Top Gear U.K.
 
@SufiDeveloper We had that conversation yesterday. Change the topic. Fast!
 
4:41 PM
@Borgleader Ah, no wonder I didn't recognize the name.
 
I fixed the wording of Vlad's answer. He should have done this from the beginning.
 
@SufiDeveloper Also sorry for Lightness. He is usually a dick to new people.
 
@Jefffrey No I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about issues between people like the one between Jerry and Vlad
 
Just don't mind him.
 
4:43 PM
@Borgleader: Takes him all of 1min 39sec to become the Clarkson we know :D
 
@Jefffrey No worries really :) She gave a great answer.
 
She's on her period, probably.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I always find it amazing how people look different as they age but manage to sound exactly the same
 
@Borgleader In general yeah
funny how his BBC accent changes tho
 
hehehe I know something about that...
 
4:44 PM
you can hear how much he's putting it on in those early clips (he's a Yorkshireman by upbringing), but it's more natural nowadays
 
You should hear his voice in Italian or Arabic then. He sounds like a cat
 
Eh, I can't tell who's from where by their accent. I mean, I can sometimes tell theres a difference in accent but I can't associate it with a particular place. I find it interesting that some people can.
 
Yes Top Gear broadcasts in Italy and Egypt (maybe other arab countries) too
 
// Function     : StopAllSounds()
//
// Purpose      : Stops all sounds
so helpful
 
I'm learning to be a dick too.
 
4:50 PM
it stops all sound in the universe?
 
@StackedCrooked makes you deaf, same result ;)
 
lol
 
if I hate Neanderthals does that make me racist or speciesist?
 
an idiot :P
 
indeed
 
4:55 PM
ugh... ive been awake for like 5 hours and i haven't done anything productive yet T_T
 
@StackedCrooked I misread it as "Netherlanders"
 
unless you count downvoting Vlad >.>
 
@Abyx me too
 
hmm
 
@Abyx Me too
 
4:57 PM
@Abyx In that case it would just be "silly" (or maybe "sensible", depending on your viewpoint).
 
@Borgleader I can't distinguish USAian accents, which can be frustrating if I'm in a situation where it'd be useful. And Yanks keep going on about Canadians' funny accents but I can't hear it. OTOH the UK has the widest diversity per area squared in dialects than any other country on Earth, and I can pinpoint most of them
 
@StackedCrooked It would mean roughly 1-4% self loathing. news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/…
 
Then again maybe it's precisely because they differ so much here compared to the other side of the pond, that's why I can do it here and not there
blah
 
@StackedCrooked Probably racist rather than speciesist. It seems like we interbred successfully many times with them, so it's questionable as to whether they're a truly distinct species from us or more like a different subspecies.
 
//end of do-while loop
//start of for loop
gee, I would have never guessed
 
5:01 PM
Should comment everything with // the following is a line of [programming language]
 
Yes
And get the language wrong
4
 
lol
 
oh god peezah's here
so hungry
 
@StackedCrooked the hell is that?
 
@Puppy Just to add a minor detail: just being able to interbreed isn't normally considered enough. The offspring must also normally be fertile for them to be considered the same species. For example, horses can interbreed with donkeys, but the results are mules, which are normally (~99%) sterile. I'm not sure we know enough to say whether most interbreeding with Neanderthals produced fertile offspring or not.
 
@JerryCoffin Considering that we still have a bunch of Neanderthal DNA, I'd have to say that they did produce successful offspring.
else it's kinda hard to explain how those sequences got there.
unless they hopped over through those virus transfers or something
 
@Puppy Some successful offspring, yes. Question is how many. 1% is apparently low enough to qualify them as separate species, but could still be enough to show up in DNA.
 
I think that some people have like, 10-12% Neanderthal DNA, which sounds a bit high for just 1%.
 
@Puppy As noted in previous link, we have around 1-4% Neanderthal DNA. Could be from small percentage of offspring being fertile, or could be from small percentage of result being adaptive.
Quote from previously linked story: "We know that at least some encounters between the two kinds of human produced offspring, because the genomes of people living outside Africa today are composed of some 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal DNA."
I've looked at a few versions of the story, but haven't found any claiming modern people containing anything close to 10-12% Neanderthal DNA (though I haven't tracked down the original, so it's possible it's there and I just haven't found it).
 
5:17 PM
it's been a long time since I read the story, so my memory could be faulty, but ISTR that 1-4% was the norm but some people had quite a bit higher.
 
@Puppy Could easily be--unfortunately, the original stories are behind paywalls, so it's hard to get anything very authoritative unless you're willing to pay for it.
 
@JerryCoffin Unless you're a University student, since most universities have access to quite a few of these. A few months ago I might have been able to access them.
 
@Borgleader Yeah--I could probably find them at the local university if I were willing to go there and scrounge through their library for a little while. Far beyond what I'm willing to devote to a comment on chat though...
 
TIL the capacity of the bladder is 400 to 600 ml.
 
5:35 PM
I expect most people already have an admittedly vague idea of what their bladder holds
 
@Puppy I generally think of the capacity in seconds...
 
5:48 PM
you know it's too hot when you have to put kitkat in the fridge because otherwise it melts in fucking 5 minutes
or any other chocolate really
 
6:16 PM
it's been like that here for a month
@StackedCrooked repost :P
 
I know, I was just answering @Borgleader's question.
 
ah I didn't see that
 
6:45 PM
hi
 
> It's almost impossible to give an exact measurement for the volume of the human bladder, but different sources mention 500 mL (~17 oz) to 1000 mL (~34 oz).[2]
 
fy
 
really dumb question, but is it better to use Geolocation on the front end of a site to find nearby locations, or use user's IP on server?
 
What does one have to do with another
 
6:51 PM
geolocation -> lat/longitutde, IP -> lat/longitude
 
Different usecases
 
what I am trying to do is give the user a filter of places by him. For example, say he was looking for universities. Instead of typing it in, it finds the closest ones to him and he selects it.
it has to be saved as a user detail
 
@corvid I'd say Geolocation; IP may not be that accurate and it sounds like you might need some accuracy.
 
Browsers typically do IP-based fallback anyway.
If you want to support ancient crap like any (including future) IE versions you might want to have a server-side IP-based fallback.
 
7:12 PM
well fuck
I'll have to go to cinema
maybe not, apparently it sucks
 
I'm kinda annoyed hendrix was stupid enough to kill himself
his music was great
seriously to die at 27
this is my fav hendrix track
 
> Semen ejaculates at 27 mph, making it illegal in school zones
 
rofl
 
@Jefffrey except that it creates life rather than killing it
 
i don't even
wat
 
7:27 PM
@JerryCoffin I didn't notice the using namespace std;. Yuck.
 
@Jefffrey Speeding cars -> humanity--, Semen -> humanity++;
dog mail, best mail
 
@Rapptz Note that I did not recommend it--just pointed out that it would work.
 
Yeah I noticed. The OP had it from the get-go.
 
@Borgleader a global humanity variable is asking for trouble in such a threaded system as the universe
 
so many external requests... I feel like I am doing something terribly wrong.
 
7:32 PM
@corvid you are programming
 
@Jefffrey who said the universe was threaded =/
 
@Jefffrey yeah but I'm using like 4 separate APIs to accomplish a single task
 
hahahah (slightly NSFW) i.imgur.com/t2IN6RL.jpg
 
So old.
 
wow ubuntu runs TERRIBLY on my computer...
 
7:42 PM
linux always chooses its master
no way around it
 
Run Arch :)
@AlexM. What desktop are you running?
 
windows 8.1 of course
 
Oops wrong person
 
I can use man though
and sudo
that makes me be the only slightly wrong person
right?
 
You're terrible Alex.
 
7:54 PM
:(
fine.
I can also use awk though
 
AWK is nice!
 
Mac OS X is best operating system IMO, and a lot of people probably disagree
 
You're also terrible.
 
that's true
 
Mac OS X is just a little bit less terrible than windows
at least up to Windows 7
 
8:12 PM
windows runs pretty well... it's just kinda a pain to develop on in my opinion
 
8:23 PM
why so?
 
probably just cause I am used to the linux commands, and really no other reason
 
Hmm..
I think for strong typedefs in C++-land we could use something like
using explicit my_int = int;
 
using my_int = new int; :P
 
8:44 PM
Guys
 
Johannes?
 
lol
 
9:01 PM
dude, there's no need to insult him like that
 
Johannes is a cool guy though =/
 
9:23 PM
he's a troll
hmm, I've been thinking about adding an explicit layout feature to Wide, where you can set the byte-offset of every member individually.
 
honestly not sure how useful that would be
 
well, I figure it would be useful for interoperating with binary formats.
 
Better do something more generic, like attributes
 
I have attributes
exporting functions is an attribute.
 
9:29 PM
so you would have [byteoffset(3)]? (or wtv your syntax is for those)
 
something like that.
 
@StackedCrooked L21?
 
Sure, a day after I tell someone not to inherit publicly from std::pair, I find a standard class that inherits publicly from std::pair.
 
@sehe yep
 
just reached it.
 
9:33 PM
I have trouble seeing the difference between the two greens.
 
but I'm not sure how non-primitive attributes would work.
 
@chris which class?
 
@StackedCrooked std::sub_match
 
@StackedCrooked what two greens
 
right now I'm thinking that maybe for functions, you could take the function as argument, then return the arguments and a new callable.
 
9:34 PM
@sehe top left and bottom right block
 
@StackedCrooked Top left is more gray
 
thanks that will help :)
 
I guess it's getting close to that dark icky shade of green.
Olive green maybe
 
@StackedCrooked oh aha.
 
Probably icky because I don't like olives
 
9:40 PM
@StackedCrooked 22 is "normal" again
 
> sub_match inherits from std::pair<BidirIt, BidirIt>, although it cannot be treated as a std::pair object because member functions such as swap and assignment will not work as expected.
Nice LSP violation there.
 
Ikr
 
Where's a @potatoswatter when you need one :)
 
When would you ever need a potato swatter?
When did I start subconsciously swapping words in what I type?
 
Don't swat me. :(
 
9:43 PM
Potato swapper
 
@sehe finally did it :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Don't even know why, but that reminds me of Cloud to Butt
 
@Borgleader ikr
 
@CatPlusPlus Can it be done without a temporary saucepan?
 
try a sieve or colander
or hell, even a plate
 
9:48 PM
@Puppy Sieve of Potatosthenes
 
“Oh, hey! This article could be a single page, but it’s a slideshow instead! AWESOME!” -No one, ever.
 
I hate slideshow articles
 
omg, Jonathan Wakely downvoted by a noob who doesn't understand UB in multithreading
What part of UNDEFINED BEHAVIOUR doesn't concern you? Without the atomics the compiler is allowed to transform the loop into: if (!stop) while (true) { /* do work */ } because it knows that a non-atomic, non-volatile variable being read cannot change except in a program with undefined behaviour, so it can assume it never changes — Jonathan Wakely yesterday
 
Wakely seems upset.
 
@MartinJames saucepan&&
 

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