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5:00 PM
@sarat There is no widespread scepticism of C++11 in our industry, no.
@Puppy meh, no std::lexical_cast
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes.. it was the exact problem in the beginning. So i am wondering if the adoption of newer compilers and tools, and the time (like last 5 years) helped the industry to bring this up.
 
You've lost me. From what I can tell, I've answered your question.
 
@Puppy There are people who can given answers, not everything is cup of coffee isn't it?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes you did :)
 
@sarat Depends on if you think someone went out and polled a thousand statistically representative C++ developers about their feelings towards C++11.
 
@Puppy not really. there are people who constantly engage with other developers and industry leaders and also who works with wide variety of projects probably can put some light on it. If I say industry, that's an abstract term. It's asking more in a general sense, like the trend. not exactly like some shipping, airline or shoe industry.
 
5:05 PM
they'll only have their own vague anecdotes, just like all of us.
 
true if more people share their impressions, that can derive some data; may not be in the scale of industry though.
 
a thousand light-years away from
no statistical study -> no fact.
 
oh no! I used up all my mobile traffic. Now I can't leave the house til next tuesday...
 
that's strange, you've no opinion but you're criticizing with the words and usage. @LightnessRacesinOrbit given a good answer
 
he gave a vague anecdote, far from a conclusive answer.
 
5:11 PM
when it's tough to bring statistical information, we have to see opinion. this thread found interesting. few people share similar opinion like he said - stackoverflow.com/questions/1754397/how-are-you-using-c11-today
 
we don't have to see opinion, we can also say that the question is totally unanswerable.
 
http://www.cprogramming.com/c++11/c++11-ranged-for-loop.html

Look at his example code at the end of the page. I know it's contrived code to demonstrate a feature, but wouldn't you at least make the Iter class a template class?
 
no
it just adds complexity to the example with no benefit
 
@Puppy nobody expecting perfect answer here. It's a discussion isn't it. I am not conducting a poll to a million developers. rather asking a question, whether C++11 is being widely adopted these day as I found developers were reluctant though there were compilers and tools.
 
@sarat I always expect perfect answers here. :p
 
5:14 PM
the question you're asking is unanswerable, because nobody can possibly know about the wider situation without conducting a proper poll.
it's not an "imperfect" answer, it's a non-answer.
 
@jaif you're making my life tough :)
 
you got something against noop?
 
so if you conduct a poll, will it cover the entire industry for a perfect poll? Dude here there are few people hanging out and surely they will have their opinion. It's just a discussion to share more information. Not fucking perfect answer hunt
 
statistically, yes, if you conduct a poll you'll get a good answer.
and yes, you'll get more information from us, it'll just be utterly negligible compared to the quantity you'd need to form any sort of useful picture.
 
5:17 PM
Okay. May be few people don't want a perfect stastical answer. I am sure you're wasting time for this. Let other speak. Thank you.
We always have people around talking about super computers and space exploration when we try to fix a our home computer. Nothing new!
 
there's a difference between perfection and "Has any meaning at all".
 
Wait, what the fuck is going on in here?
 
@EtiennedeMartel some nonsense!
unfortunately.
 
@EtiennedeMartel He asked an incredibly vague question and seemed pretty unhappy when I pointed out that it was incredibly vague.
 
I am sure we need to bring a statistician here.
 
5:20 PM
@sarat I trust the Puppy more than I trust some random stranger.
 
@Puppy you were overreacting. Don't you. I clarified my question you're just polluting here.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel It can for example be used as default callbacks when none are given.
 
@Puppy The almighty wisdom of the crowd
 
@rightfold Right, so it's more about JS sucking.
 
user1804599
Indeed.
 
5:21 PM
@rightfold wouldn't it suck though, if it accepts no arguments? :p
 
user1804599
Since in all other languages, calling null is a no-op.
 
user1804599
@melak47 JavaScript doesn’t care if you pass too many arguments, hence it works.
 
or is that js talk for "accepts any arguments but ignores them"
 
user1804599
It just ignores them.
 
@rightfold Shouldn't it be a type error?
 
5:22 PM
:thejoke:
 
user1804599
It should be sarcasm.
 
@sarat Yes, pointing out how unanswerably vague it was was a total overreaction. And you did indeed "clarify" it repeatedly to totally different questions.
right, sorry.
JS.
 
I just fucking don't know why some people want to prove a point here as if they own the crowd!
2
that's pretty non-sense.
 
Door's this way ->
 
I own the crowd?
woohoo!
 
5:24 PM
I own everyone
 
cat, you sucker, send me all your monies, right now, since I own your ass.
 
user1804599
I own the clown.
 
Pff you wish
 
@sarat You must be new here.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey owns my ass. <3
 
5:25 PM
@Chimera You got it but I am not new to any chat room
 
user1804599
Lounge<C++> is not a forum.
 
user1804599
It is a chatroom.
 
user1804599
Fora are irrelevant.
 
Forii
 
^ can confirm
 
5:26 PM
Forices.
 
unfortunately
 
pretty sure it's forumses
 
lol
 
Maybe in Gollumese
 
user1804599
Fora and Fauna.
 
5:26 PM
it is in Forumese.
@rightfold Fora means something totally different.
 
@Puppy you mean forumsese
 
fora are plants, and fauna are animals.
 
"flora" are plants
 
user1804599
That’s flora.
 
user1804599
> fora |ˈfɔːrə|
plural form of forum (sense 3).
 
5:27 PM
@sarat You should hang around a while and get to know us before becoming defensive. This is a great group of people from which you can learn a lot... don't alienate yourself....
 
so yeah... I just a saw a photo on reddit of a lady with four boobs...
 
No.
Flora is the plural of florum.
 
whops
 
Bunch of ignorant fools.
 
@thecoshman First time seeing Photoshop?
 
user1804599
5:27 PM
> 3 ( pl. fora |ˈfɔːrə| ) (in an ancient Roman city) a public square or marketplace used for judicial and other business.
 
user1804599
I told you fora were irrelevant!
 
I might have forgotten my latin teachings
Oh well... not that they are useful anyway.
 
@Puppy I don't think it's ps...
 
user1804599
Potatoshop
 
user1804599
@thecoshman was it a cow?
 
5:29 PM
nobody's gonna believe you if you don't link to it
 
@Jefffrey Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
 
user1804599
Cows are yummy.
 
@Chimera yeah I find good people here. equally people who want to dodge everything; everybody
 
user1804599
I ate cow today.
 
5:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, only by those that actually speaks it.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman flat boobs.
 
evening lads
 
@sarat I don't see any dodging going on. I see difference of opinions.
 
@rightfold Shirley you mean beef.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion evening lady
 
5:30 PM
@TonyTheLion Hi Lion
 
Cows don't let themselves get eaten easily.
 
@rightfold well yeah
 
@thecoshman wtf
 
cows have best friends, did you know that?
 
user1804599
cows have the best meat
 
user1804599
5:31 PM
after pigs
 
@Chimera yeah learned not explain everything!
 
user1804599
I should try human and crocodile one day.
 
TIL argumentum ex culo.
 
@rightfold both at the same time!
 
@Chimera anyway it's cool here. :)
 
user1804599
5:31 PM
@melak47 Nah. I want to know which one tastes like what.
 
@sarat Could you please answer to a specific message instead of a specific person?
 
LOL
the AI teleported his boarders into my fucking airlock.
which HE just set on fire, and I already opened to vent the atmosphere.
 
> As a general rule, if something stinks about the argument, there's a good chance it's an argumentum ex culo.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Why is this on my timeline.
 
5:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Puppy pretending to have a clue about our industry, again
 
@Jefffrey alright :)
 
@rightfold You're the only one that can really answer that.
 
But please don't
 
@rightfold Targeted marking.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Actually, I think the whole thrust of my argument was exactly the opposite, based on me having a clue about, say, statistics.
 
5:33 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Puppy being a snob. Call a spade a spade
 
@TonyTheLion teehee
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Okay. It got retweeted by ATEMLOS DURCH DIE N.
 
@Puppy Shut your face
 
Argumentum ex culo is a Latin translation of PIDOOMA, the acronym for Pulled It Directly Out Of My Ass.[1] This is a self-explanatory origin for woo and pseudoscience statistics, estimates, theories, and, fairly often, evidence, too.
 
Needs, more, commas
 
5:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Technically, "my" industry is video game development. But I get what you mean.
 
Someone asks for anecdotes. They get anecdotes. All the anecdotes match. Then you stomp in like a bull in a china stop bitching that there is no statistical significance. Yeah, so, nobody cares. Get back to your game!
 
@CatPlusPlus a,g,r,e,e,d,,,
 
@rightfold see. You knew the answer :)
 
@CatPlusPlus You're right, because that sentence really makes me, "cringe".
 
I don't like commas
they interfere with my sense of right and wrong
 
user1804599
 
Comma-separated list is a perfect place for an interjection!
 
@TonyTheLion idontlikewhitespace
 
user1804599
Comma-separated lists? “1 2 3 4, 5 6 7 8” two lists separated by a comma!
 
user1804599
Speaking of lists, time to write Clojure code.
 
List of lists of lists lists "List of lists of lists".
 
5:37 PM
I think it's cool that cppreference.com is using coliru...
 
Help, I'm trapped in my own brain again.
 
Today I saw this in some C# code I was looking at void somefunction (ObserveableCollection<dynamic> list)
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion What about it?
 
I'm not convinced that a list with a dynamic type was necessary in the use case I was looking at. The type was perfectly well known to the author of the code.
 
user1804599
Change it and find out.
 
5:38 PM
That's a good idea.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Take off the hairnet now!
 
user1804599
Døh; it’s my idea.
 
Also it meant I had to go find out how dynamic is supposed to be used.
 
user1804599
Not.
 
user1804599
Well sometimes it’s useful. :p
 
user1804599
5:39 PM
E.g. as substitute for visitor pattern.
 
For interop with COM and IronPython or IronRuby its useful apparently
 
It's useful when you need dynamic typing
Shocking I know
 
I like your logic Cat
 
When Did Nazi Insults Spike On Twitter During USA-Germany? http://regressing.deadspin.com/when-did-nazi-insults-spike-on-twitter-during-usa-germa-1596610394 http://t.co/RiL6crBTeH
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Go verify it with Prolog.
 
5:41 PM
I think this feline must family of @CatPlusPlus.
8
 
@TonyTheLion you can use it in reflection heavy code as well
 
"Jones collides with ref" was the best part of the game.
 
What game?
 
user1804599
Bobince tends to have this weird assignment syntax with no space before the = sign.
 
The game. You lost it
 
user1804599
5:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus g.meikodis.org
 
@TonyTheLion USA-Germany.
 
what is the point of make_shared?
 
The point is documented go read
 
user1804599
Exception-safety and efficiency.
 
5:47 PM
oh no! no tomatoes to make dinner with... what's this, pizza menu on the table, with some new special toppings, that the SO can eat? Well then...
 
is make_shared<Foo>(bar1, bar2) exception safe in a way shared_ptr<Foo>(new Foo(bar1, bar2)) isn't
 
@zounds there is a GOTW on this
 
user1804599
Consider foo(shared_ptr<Foo>(new Foo(bar1, bar2)), shared_ptr<Foo>(new Foo(bar1, bar2))).
 
@rightfold i see what you mean
so then why did they wait until c++14 to add make_unique
 
user1804599
Oversight.
 
5:49 PM
it was overlooked
 
They were too busy scrambling to salvage the concepts mess
 
user1804599
@thecoshman If you link to Photobucket then indeed I have to wait for it. A long time, even.
 
make_shared was created primarily to avoid extraneous small allocations.
That's why make_unique was forgotten.
 
it was a unique oversight
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Real men flip series of tables off conveyor belts that move in the wrong direction.
 
5:57 PM
@rightfold heheh
also yea NOPE
 
Spiders are cool.
Especially peacock spiders.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion xD
 
Too many legs
the legs alone make me nope nope nope
 
hi
 
user1804599
6:06 PM
@TonyTheLion consider them arms, problem solved.
 
ha ha ha
no
 
user1804599
Rectums.
 
ok, you can take the piss out of Boris only so much o_0
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
6:10 PM
fail
 
@rightfold Definitely Paris Hilton.
 
I'm speechless, and postless:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24457688/c-pointer-not-set-to-the-correct-value
 
2 reopen votes...
 
I don't even
 
@MartinJames Wow, when even Kerrek doesn't want to answer it, it means it's shit.
8
 
6:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol - I tried to fit it into my usual 'bad question' categories, (no code, poor formatting, no debugging etc), but it would not fit anywhere.
It sure didn't fit 'wall of code' :)
 
void main void()
}
pointer * void c = ++1;
{
o.o
loving that final comment
> you appear totally incoherent to me too
maybe SO are experimenting with porting the Review Audit functionality to a new Answering Questions Audit feature.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, that did me in. I couldn't think of anything to post, except maybe 'TROLL OFF'.
 
ho shit
that artillery beam HURTS
 
go get a fucking job you lazy slag
my wallet hurts
 
6:32 PM
Stupid linked list questions
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey Do you want a reward for being so slow? :D
Hm, I remember somebody here liking Haiyore Nyaruko-san. Was that you, @StackedCrooked?
 
@Xeo I liked the first season.
@MartinJames lol
 
you freak
 
someone call me?
> I think I am knowing the answer to the question of the solution but I'm not sure can there is a programmer who can help anywhere?
Brillant
 
So apparently, getting upvotes on meta.SO is a lot easier than on SO.
 
6:46 PM
Truly.
 
Probably because of the bulletin on the front page.
 
@Mysticial Yes, because upvotes on meta mean "I agree with you", not "you are correct".
 
@Mysticial mmm?
 
@sehe I posted an answer on meta.SO yesterday. It showed up on the bulletin and now it has a ton of votes.
5/6 of my answers on meta.SO are 10+. My SO record is much worse than that.
 
> This happened to me in a phone interview with Yahoo.

-So you say you code in C? Do you know who invented C? "Ritchie". How do rate yourself on a scale of 10 given that Dennis Ritchie is 10/10?
lol
 
6:51 PM
@rightfold Commas in clojure are ignored? I like it :)
@Rapptz 11
 
@Mysticial that bulletin. I was looking for a bulletin on the front page
 
@Rapptz ++
 
So we took the habit of saying "ptr" as "peter". Sure makes a lot of things sound weird.
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's Peter. He is... unique.
 
Nah, he's a shared stud
 
7:05 PM
I prefer intrusive Peters.
 
> Het lezen van dit topic heb ik als ongemakkelijk en verontrustend ervaren
@TonyTheLion brillant
 
hmmm.
 
@EtiennedeMartel This vector Peter is really pissing me off
 
if you inherit from a C++ class that has virtual operator|| and virtual operator|, how could you override them?
 
very carefully
 
7:08 PM
problematically is what I'm seeing.
I guess that practically nobody does shit like that, but technically, it's possible.
 
so not carefully enough, then
 
@Xeo :c
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Do the Portuguese like playing the Dutch?
@Feeds GUYS! GUYS! Look at that
> Following screen shot shows the running ChatServer.exe .
 
Truly amazing
 
7:14 PM
That match? Yes
 
No, ChatServer dot exe
 
@sehe guys?
 
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@CatPlusPlus :)
"if you find yourself overwhelmed by a task, break it down into smaller pieces" ok *begins smashing computer w/ sledgehammer repeatedly*
 
So what is causing the numerical rounding/truncation on the third output? I know floating point numbers can't be internally represented precisely in computers... but I didn't expect this...

http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/a9edf3acf6273db3
 
@Xeo Nope. However, you just made me watch the OP and I might be interested :)
 
Xeo
7:29 PM
Hm. I could swear there was somebody and it was not @Mysticial
 
@Chimera well, nobody expects it, but it's precisely that: inexact rep
So, you should be asking what causes the rounding/truncation in the first two outputs
 
@sehe I'm just really surprised because I didn't perform any calculations...
 
@Chimera you did! You converted the string "3.14159" into a loung double at compiletime
 
@sehe Hmm.. that's a good point..
 
Also, try 3.14159l (that's L, not 1)
 
7:31 PM
@sehe Ah duh.. right.
 
here's an oddity.
I've written my own half-table-driven parser.
 
a space oddity
 
@Xeo maybe it was @AlexM. (got username correct this time)
 
@Chimera that last decimal place can't even be half represented :) You've specified precision in decimal terms, not binary terms.
 
Xeo
Oh, that might be
 
7:33 PM
As for why you get .....9999999 despite not performing any calculations, well, performing calculations is not a pre-requisite for the fundamental laws of mathematics to kick in
 
@Xeo yeah I'm the fan here
 
Sehe's right in that you can avoid the whole thing by not switching between differently sized types
 
Xeo
right
@AlexM. :3
 
@sehe art
@EtiennedeMartel And sometimes it just means "thanks for raising this discussion, whether I agree with your own views on it or not"!
 
Is there a reason that in gcc a class (A) with another class (B) as an attribute seems to run the constructor of A before B? Or am I missing a command which would force the opposite?
 
7:35 PM
@Xeo neat! I got the nendoroid :D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In any case, it doesn't have the same semantics has upvoting on a non-meta site.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah yes...
 
Or downvoting.
 
wtf that was directed towards puppy
 
Xeo
dat reply
 
7:36 PM
@AlexM. I like the dragon.
 
Xeo
Hahaha "dragon"
:D
 
it's not a dragon tho
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@Xeo I was thinking about getting this one at first lol (NSFW) figureculture.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/…
 
Xeo
haha
Yeah. I liked the one I got more
Nice expression and it was on discount
 
@ConfusedStack what else do you expect? technically, A::A() runs as part of constructing B (and "attributes" exist in UML. They're members in C++)
 
yeah that one is way too distracting in terms of anything
 
7:38 PM
hmm
 
Xeo
-40% or so
 
I should probably throw an error if you try to define more than one destructor...
 
Xeo
@Puppy nah
 
@EtiennedeMartel yep
 
Xeo
execute them in random order
 
7:39 PM
0
Q: C++ language design - why doesn't lifetime = visibility

user3784392Why in C++ was the language designed such that the visibility of a variable you have declared can exceed its lifetime? I ran into the following issue today (as background I was a C++ programmer 10 years ago but have forgotten a lot of it and have been programming in C# happily ever since until a ...

Have fun with this, guys. I did.
 
@Xeo using a rotation system would be better
epoch % num_destructors or something
 
I got upvoted and then the upvote revoked. What.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's like taking candy from a baby
 
@Xeo that's cool
I didn't get any of that because eBay is my only option here :(
 
Xeo
eh
 
7:41 PM
but I did use a $15 voucher received via email
 
@StackedCrooked yeah ;(
 
Xeo
I import most of my figures. That is pretty expensive, though :P
 
@Xeo My figure developed when I was about 13. Had the pointy ears from birth.
 
There's no shouldNotBe expectation in Hspec, while there's shouldBe. :(
Can I do infix composition?
 
Xeo
no
 
7:42 PM
@sehe I would think the barebone A structure would be allocated to memory, then the members would be allocated. once B was allocated it would be initialized and its constructor run. This would be followed by A's constructor code. I have code in A that requires B to already be part of A (in the same way a member of type int would already exist.).
 
Xeo
@AlexM. I find ebay to be increadibly expensive
 
it kinda is
 
Xeo
I'd rather import them, since that's usually cheaper
 
it was hard for me to find a guy who doesn't ask for $22+ for postage lol
 
7:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yw
 
Just got a mail from former Japanese teacher. I could enroll for 5th year of Japanese classes next year.
 
@Griwes teehee
 
SS2 on sale for just £1.
bargain of the century
 
@Puppy SS2?
 
7:48 PM
Thank you so much for an in-depth reply, filing the bug, and most of all telling me I was in the right direction :) Its nice haha nice change in place of people saying "go bak and make an effort first loser" haha. Also +1 to your comment on the guy re second login. :) PS nice hand writing on that image "url here" :P hhaa — Noitidart 19 hours ago
awesome
 
System Shock probably
 
How to close a question after a certain ti- oh, never mind. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
\o/
 
oh, got it :P
 
@ConfusedStack I feel for you. You can probably fix your design
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ugh, the answer
 
7:52 PM
@thecoshman system shock 2
 
@sehe is there a way to know when a object instance exists? I really don't want to have to use C-style init() functions to maintain a c++ object.
 
how did he answer that? I thought the answer-after-closed grace period had been removed o.O
 
@ConfusedStack Constructor.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No?
Where did you read that?
 
7:53 PM
Meta somewhere and I tested it
at the very least, that guy manually re-enabled the Submit button
kinda surprising given the quality of his post and low rep
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There's a grace period?
 
oh, unless he's on mobile
@Jefffrey Four hours! Backend only
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A: User answering the question after it is closed

Martijn PietersThere is a 4 hour grace period where someone with the editor open can still post their answers after a question has been closed. This is by design; a feature, not a bug. The user does get notified when a post is closed, and the Post Your Answer button is disabled when the notification is receiv...

 
@Xeo expensive yeah, I want to get one of these next ebay.co.uk/itm/… ebay.co.uk/itm/… ebay.co.uk/itm/… but they're like twice the price of nyaruko if you add postage :\
 
Xeo
Oh wow at the prices
that's some expensive nendoroids
 
@sehe @Puppy As I understand it I can't, Puppy. Constructors of class A run before class A's members, so not only can I not use the nondefault constructor for class B (a member/attribute of class A), but since B doesn't fully exist at the time of A's constructor's execution, it can't properly set itself up at constructor time leading to the requirement of a class A::init() function. If I understand correctly.
 
7:57 PM
postage for the one I got was $8 from tokyo lol
no idea why it was so cheap
it was also tracked and I could view the progress online
 
@ConfusedStack Er, you can use the initialization list to call whatever B constructor you want. And B's constructor must be finished before A's constructor body can be entered.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So... there's a 4 hour period, but the notification says "no more answer will be accepted" and the "Post answer" button is disabled?
wat
 

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