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user1804599
11:00 PM
Whenever I eat oranges, my left ear gets itchy.
 
user1804599
:V
 
lol
 
Xeo
@rightfold You're pregnant. Next.
 
user1804599
:0
 
user1804599
Good thing abortion is legal in this country.
 
11:01 PM
does it happen when you eat limes or lemons
 
user1804599
I don’t know. I never eat those.
 
sucks
they make every food taste better
 
user1804599
When it comes to fruit, I only eat apples, bananas, mangos, oranges and tangerines.
 
Xeo
haha
 
@rightfold You have to come up with an SSCCE
we won't be able to help otherwise
 
user1804599
11:01 PM
lol
 
so try lemons
 
does it happen with tangerines
 
Xeo
That reminds me of my allergy test that not-happened today.
 
user1804599
And some obscure fruits when we have them. My father seems to buy these on occasion.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Nope.
 
11:02 PM
anyway if it's really reproducible it could be an allergy
 
user1804599
@Xeo Paint allergy?
 
Xeo
no
I planned to visit a doc for a test
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Speaking of tests.
 
Xeo
but both docs that do allergy tests for what I want to be tested for, were closed today
 
11:03 PM
hmmm..
 
user1804599
We had an old client from a very long time ago report a bug that his web page showed an error message with “test test test testicle” in it, lol.
5
 
lol
 
I can't swallow pills
don't know how I'm going to take these vitamins :v
 
I guess unit tests couldn't catch that
 
Xeo
with water?
 
user1804599
11:04 PM
Shove them up your ass.
 
@Xeo Really?
 
Xeo
What?
 
@Rapptz if they're huge, split them?
 
I can't swallow them with or without water.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl But unit testicles could.
 
Xeo
11:05 PM
@Rapptz They should just slide down the throat together with the water, without you noticing
unless they're abnormally large or something
 
I have tried everything to take pills
they've all failed
 
Xeo
(I personally can swallow pills with or without water, in the general case)
 
@rightfold lol testicle-driven development
 
I have to crush them to take it
 
not all pills can be crushed and still work effectively.
 
Xeo
11:06 PM
that sounds troublesome for pills that should not be crushed
 
Yes. I know that.
 
Xeo
like my painkillers, that work over an extended period of time
 
@Rapptz yogurt?
 
Already tried
Also inb4 "not all pills can be taken with food"
 
Xeo
What's the problem, really? Fear of the pills getting stuck or something?
 
11:07 PM
I just can't do it
 
you woulda hated a gastroscopy.
 
well I don't get sick
last time I had to take medicine was 4 years ago.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl that’s called gestation.
 
so this problem doesn't affect my life too much
 
hehe
@Rapptz lucky you
 
11:09 PM
I suppose
 
anyway vitamins should also come in candy-like form don't they
you just let them dissolve in your mouth
 
user1804599
I propose I shove that pill down your throat using my penis, followed by a vigorous deep throating session.
 
11 mins ago, by Rapptz
I've been prescribed 50,000 IU of Vitamin D and 1 mg of Vitamin B12.
Good luck at these dosages.
 
What's an IU?
 
12,500% and 16,667% DV respectively
 
user1804599
11:11 PM
Insignificant Unit.
 
Let's apply the process recursively
What's a DV?
 
Daily Value
standardised recommended dosage to take vitamins and minerals per day
 
I see
 
12,500%?
 
ya
 
11:11 PM
Well 1 mg of B12 shouldn't really be a problem to eat as candies
 
and then you're taking 50,000 of them?
that's a lot.
 
no
 
only 625 billion times the recommended dose.
that sounds like a few tonnes.
 
In pharmacology, the international unit is a unit of measurement for the amount of a substance; the mass or volume that constitutes one international unit varies based on which substance is being measured, and the variance is based on the biological activity or effect, for the purpose of easier comparison across substances. International units are used to quantify vitamins, hormones, some medications, vaccines, blood products, and similar biologically active substances. The name international unit has often been capitalized (in English and other languages), although major English-language ...
50,000 IU is 12,500% DV
 
orite
 
user1804599
11:13 PM
lol, swallowing 50k pills.
 
Xeo
hm, to sleep or to do some work in my Japanese book...
 
user1804599
Both.
 
go to sleep
 
user1804599
In my bed.
 
user1804599
<3
 
11:14 PM
wut
 
Xeo
@rightfold Aw yeah. You just need to show up for the Unconference :P
 
user1804599
Hmm. Unconference.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Yeah, I guess I will. Too sleepy to actually learn something.
 
user1804599
Speaking of going somewhere that is not home or work.
 
user1804599
I should go to Breda to get new clothes.
 
user1804599
11:17 PM
Black, blue and white are getting boring.
 
user1804599
I should wear more red and purple.
 
Reminds me of Gogol Bordello
 
> "No, I'm not kidding!" (Howard Hinnant, ACCU2014)
 
user1804599
@sehe What is “Nothing?”
 
user1804599
> Gypsy punks.
 
11:20 PM
I think it's the user-declared special members
 
@rightfold rright
 
ffold
 
user1804599
Scala’s type system is almost as insane as I am.
 
@rightfold Yup I was right: i.imgur.com/mDLTz3L.png
 
@sehe Are the slides available?
 
11:21 PM
@rightfold Keep dreaming
 
user1804599
Oh my god path-dependent types.
 
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@sehe olol
 
@sehe Thanks :)
 
I've been looking for them for days after it was twoten. It's not exactly easy to find:
 
11:22 PM
So it's "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Universal Reference"? That's by Jonathan not Howard though
 
Ah I guess it's "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Move Semantics (and then some)"
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Ah that’s the “Nothing.”
 
lol
 
@AndyProwl So, indeed, that's not it!
ACCU :: Slides, Photos, Blogs via #accu2014 submitted by mttd[link] [comment] http://ift.tt/1o7JNUm
@AndyProwl yes
 
11:24 PM
Yeah found it, thanks
 
@Rapptz what
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
I just rehearse some c++ today and from what I remembered you aren't allowed to do this:
class vehicle{
public:
int wheels = 4;
};

However when I tried it it worked perfectly? Can someone just fill my in on what I've gotten wrong?
 
user1804599
@HalfEvil That was introduced in 2011.
 
user1804599
You couldn’t do it before.
 
11:26 PM
Oh I see
 
user1804599
Look up NSDMI.
 
So is it good to use it know as it's been added? I mean what was the reason for not making it possible to start with?
 
user1804599
It probably never came to anyone’s mind before.
 
user1804599
Not a particular hard reason why it wasn’t there before.
 
the C++ standard is full of oversights.
 
user1804599
11:28 PM
I don’t like NSDMI’s, though.
 
It's a tool. Whether it's good or not depends on the context I guess. If you have several constructors and don't want to repeat the same initializations all over the place, it helps
 
I like it.
 
user1804599
It’s like … having a constructor spread out over the entire class.
 
It's great.
 
Thanks for clearing this up, created a lot of confusion for me.
 
11:29 PM
But it also splits the logic part in the header and part in the source file, which might not be what you want
I guess it depends
 
I hate the .h/.cpp model with a passion.
 
Everybody does
 
user1804599
I would like the .hpp/.cpp model if it were impossible to write function definitions in the headers, and if including weren’t copy/paste.
 
I mean isn't it easier to read a class with the variables given start values on creation? Like when a variable is created in any function or so.
 
@rightfold What do you mean? You can
 
user1804599
11:31 PM
@AndyProwl Templates kinda have to be defined in the header if you want them to be available in other cpp files.
 
Ah, I read "impossible" as "possible"
 
 
user1804599
Oh. :P
 
@rightfold Not really (you can use explicit instantiation instead).
 
@rightfold I do. Much easier as well to spot the order of initialization
 
11:33 PM
@JerryCoffin If you know all the instantiations in advance...
 
user1804599
And if public members could only be declared in the hpp file, and private members could only be declared in the cpp file.
 
@AndyProwl Details! :-)
 
@rightfold There's a proposal for that
 
@JerryCoffin That defeats the purpose in 90% of the use cases :v
@AndyProwl I hope it burns in hell.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl It would break literally all code ever.
 
11:34 PM
@Rapptz Why?
 
It avoids the real issue
Just sugar coating and making the issue about "muh visibility"
 
user1804599
The major issue is the preprocessor.
 
@rightfold Pretty sure my 6502 assembly code would survive unscathed.
 
@sehe What, like, banning copy and swap?
 
I think it wouldn't be bad not having to recompile clients if a private member changes. And if there's better ways of achieving that then they're welcome of course, but it doesn't seem to me like modules are making progress
 
user1804599
11:37 PM
C++ is fubar.
 
I don't understand the issue about "muh visibility"
If we had proper modules this wouldn't be much of a problem.
 
user1804599
I’d like proper modules where a single module is split into two files.
 
The issue is not much about "visibility", but about the implied recompilation
And yes everyone wants modules and nobody knows what they are
 
many languages do "modules" sanely.
or well, sort of sanely anyway
 
user1804599
I like Go’s package system.
 
11:39 PM
lol
 
Python does it fine, C# does it fine, Haskell does it pretty good, many languages have solved this problem
 
user1804599
Especially the import "foo/bar/baz"; baz.f() part. The last path segment becomes the package name.
 
Then write a proposal :)
 
user1804599
Node’s approach is my favourite, though. require just returns whatever was assigned to module.exports, be it an object, an array, a function or a number.
 
@AndyProwl Someone already did
 
11:40 PM
@Rapptz Ah, so there is progress after all
Last time I checked there was just an old paper
 
the paper is 2 years old
 
ah, so that must be it
which means no progress
 
user1804599
 
@AndyProwl Why sell the guy short?
He's been making "progress" for 7 years.
 
We need C++ 2.0
 
11:44 PM
@Borgleader .because it doesn't have a bayonet cap.
 
@rightfold why do we need the preprocessor anyway?
 
code generation, backwards compatibility, conditional compilation
 
user1804599
@Danvil We need Haskell.
 
user1804599
@Danvil For C compatibility, which is done totally the wrong way in C++.
 
user1804599
Syntax-wise compatibility is a retarded idea.
 
user1804599
11:45 PM
Being able to import C header files as if they were modules is way better.
 
@rightfold some day in the near future nothing can move anymore because of compatibility...
btw i just discovered that there is a chat here. hi guys :D
 
also
> Re modules: Yes, we had a session on those too to review and approve the direction of the active work. The Clang folks, led by Doug Gregor, have implemented modules for C and Objective-C, and are now actively designing and implementing modules for C++. Once they finish their design and implementation, there will be a paper and the intent is to issue a Modules technical specification as soon as it's ready.
 
user1804599
LOC of the day: build.buildSteps.view.map(_()).dropWhile(_ == 0).headOption.getOrElse(0)
 
user1804599
Time to sleep. Bye.
 
@AndyProwl this is what Herb said
 
11:47 PM
@Rapptz yeah. In 2019 there will be another link...
 
well it's quite a massive change, it's not going to happen overnight
just like Concepts have been a thing since before 1998.
 
I understand
I just don't see why private extension methods would make things worse
 
anyway I really just want modules and concepts tbh
 
And they would not be hard to implement
 
the rest are bonus I suppose
 
11:49 PM
Also, concepts without concept maps aren't nearly as cool
 
couldn't care less anymore
 
right, I forgot you're not a Haskell guy :)
 
Yikes.
Concepts Lite is not Concepts
 
indeed
but unless I'm mistaken it's the Lite thing we're going to get
 
Hey ho.
 
11:52 PM
ho hej
 
@AndyProwl Yes, that's the idea.
 
which makes me sad
 
Concepts was too awesome to be taken all at once.
So they decided to strip it.
 
Concepts Lite is not replacing Concepts afaik
 
yeah that's the leit-motif of C++
the process is slow because they want to achieve the best design upfront
hopefully they will manage
but I don't believe in big designs upfront
 
11:56 PM
Concepts have been designed for over 18 years :v
It's practically old enough to vote in US elections.
Yeah. The original STL is from 1994.
 
that's not even funny
I mean
 
so almost 20 years old.
 
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^^ Boltclock is right. People are really taking my answer too seriously.
 
18 years to design Concepts, then Stroustrup comes and says "no guys, not good enough"
3 more years before it gets into the language in crippled form
 
Who do you think is one of the designers of Concepts?
Hint: it's Stroustrup
 
11:58 PM
@AndyProwl Only 3 years? :P
 
is backwards-compatibility that important to justify so much design upfront for the language?
 
Do you know the history behind concepts?
 
@Rapptz I know
 
Don't you remember they were supposed to be part of "C++0x"?
 
Yes. And then Stroustroup blocked it
 
11:59 PM
But shit took so long that it turned into C++1x essentially so it was axed to spare time because it just wasn't ready.
 

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