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4:01 PM
offtop: did you play gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048?
 
WTFFFF
Holy shit I'm going nuts.
If I test my application manually, everything works fine. If I run a single test with py.test it goes in something like an infinite loop and I can't stop the command line process.
What. The. Fuck.
 
> myndrecorder.exe!Eigen::internal::workaround_msvc_stl_support<window>::workaroun‌​d_msvc_stl_support<window><int &,float &,float &,std::basic_string<char,std::char_traits<char>,std::allocator<char> >,bool const &>(int & a, float & b, float & c, std::basic_string<char,std::char_traits<char>,std::allocator<char> > && d, const bool & e) Line 80 C++
Whenever I see this Q_Q
 
Not to mention that of course it does not tear down the testing database. So I have to do it myself every time.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Turns out animations for hidden windows still tick so fuck me.
No wonder this seemed completely random.
I think the Universe swapped Mondays with Fridays for me. Bastard.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, I just have to ask - these animations on hidden windows - are they visually interesting?
 
@MartinJames The tick() does nothing, but it fucks up my debugging of the tick() function because it gets called more often than I thought.
 
Hehe:)
 
Lol.
> You'll see that the whole program gets much smaller and less error-prone when you don't use pointers and helper functions all around
 
@Xeo Yeah - I did all sorts of weird stuff, assembler, C, Pascal PL/M, Modula 2. When I first wanted to build stuff for myself, I had to have a GUI and only Delphi had a useable IDE, form designer, visual component library, OO, debugger, so I've mostly used that since. I use C++ on embedded.
I found java-style C++ easy 'cos already OK with classes/objects.
 
user1804599
4:41 PM
Hmm.
 
OK, I've managed to assemble my office chair. That's me done for the w/e.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Beautiful
 
Meh - the plastic 'paddle' on the gas-strut handle has borken already:(
 
I noticed a "problem" with stackoverflow (and other SE services)
no one reads questions with accepted answers
so if you accept quickly not only your question will get less votes but an answer too
it's better to leave it hanging for a day or so
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When OnHide fired for Window, can you remove the animation function from the list of stuff that tick() calls?
 
4:56 PM
I wonder why Steam insists on showing me discounts that are not available in my region anyway
 
Xeo
To tease you.
 
actually, why doesn't C or C++ have package management system?
I believe it would be possible to create one
without breaking compatibility
 
I have seen a package management system for C++. There was one bundled in Dev-C++
Not sure if it still exists in the latest incarnation of Dev-C++, though
 
but there is no one in standard
 
Nope
 
5:05 PM
C++ is still in the state of #ifdef hell, right?
 
What do you mean?
 
that headers are full of #ifdef preprocessor instructions to avoid importing same thing twice
 
Well, most compilers support #pragma once now
 
But yeah, #include still just replaces the #include line with the contents of the file being included, so if you want to avoid multiple definitions, you need some way to prevent the same file from being #included twice.
And I don't see that changing anytime soon
Or, really, any time.
 
5:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :o
 
And no, we don't have something like CPAN for C++ (CCPPAN?) but there are things out there to make it easier to manage your C++ libraries
 
Xeo
Every Linux distribution basically has a C++ package manager, really
it's simply the normal package manager for that distro.
 
Hi,I want to know this
can I use lambda function within a "decltype"?
 
5:27 PM
My purpose is to set/define function return type during function construction
for Example:
template<U u,V v>
auto get(u,v)->decltype([](u,v){if(u>v)u; else v; }) {
if(u>v) return u;
else return v;
}
Has loads of compile time errors
 
Use typename std::common_type<U, V>::type or decltype(true? u : v).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but that's only for Visual Studio. I meant there isn't a single "official" C++ package repository, like CPAN for Perl or PyPI for Python.
 
nuget works in the command-line.
 
@R Marthino
 
My name is dyslexia-inducing.
 
5:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does it have packages that work with any platform and any compiler, or is it just for Windows and MS Visual Studio compilers?
 
Is there a name for words with that property?
 
user1804599
@BuddhikaChaturanga Lambda expressions cannot be used in unevaluated contexts.
 
I execute this code:
template<typename U, typename V>
auto get(U u, V v)->decltype((u>v)?u:v){
if(u>v)return u;
else return v;
};

When I try this

int x = 100;
float f = 56.6f;
cout<<typeid(get(f, x)).name()<<"\n";
 
@EricFinn You can make the packages however you want.
 
it returns float but it should int
 
5:35 PM
Why should it?
 
because I have concentrate upon return type
I used both Visual and Intel Compiler in VS2013
 
You have what?
 
@AlexM. because you might decide to switch regions to profit (it's only the internet, after all)
 
The language says it should be float. The compiler does as expected.
 
@mrpyo so, what is it you're trying to achieve this time?
 
5:38 PM
If you have your own special unique rules you have to write them yourself, not expect the compiler to guess them.
 
Xeo
@BuddhikaChaturanga C++ doesn't have dependent types, so your idea of 'return one type or the other, depending on the value' doesn't work.
 
@sehe Why you ask? What did I do?
 
@BuddhikaChaturanga Consider: int x; float f; std::cin >> x >> f; cout<<typeid(get(f, x)).name()<<"\n"; What now?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I could add a package that only targets Linux to the central NuGet repository? I may need to look into it, then.
 
@EricFinn I don't know all the details of the process but you can also just make a package that builds upon install and thus is cross-platform.
 
5:40 PM
@sehe their efforts are wasted on me in that case, for I am the embodiment of fairness and lawfulness
 
@BuddhikaChaturanga you want Agda
 
@BuddhikaChaturanga That would be wrong because it could be an int!
 
I want to know why typeid().name()returning float type during run-time
 
5:47 PM
hi
 
user1804599
template<typename U, typename V>
boost::variant<U, V> get(U u, V v) {
    if (u > v) return u; else return v;
}
 
@BuddhikaChaturanga Because any operation involving ints and floats in C++ just converts everything to floats. (It's annoying and lossy, but that's how it is)
 
because ?: expects you to return a single type so it casts the other. (int -> float conversion)
 
I don't use boost
 
maybe you should
 
user1804599
5:48 PM
Then write boost::variant yourself (IOW use Boost because you’ll fail otherwise).
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth And if you want to get shit done, there are always dynamically typed languages, too. :P
 
@rightfold AHAHAHAHAHAHAH; dynamic typing... surely
 
dynamo typing
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Verwekkend.
 
I know that but here I Think even within the generic function as below
template<typename U, typename V>
auto get(U u, V v)->decltype((u>v)?u:v){
if(u>v)return u;
else return v;
};

C/C++ converts int to float during
if(u>v) conditional statement
 
5:49 PM
dynamite typing - as it's blows up in your face
2
 
Are you guys using Intel latest C/C++ compiler?
 
why would I do that?
 
user1804599
No. I use GHC.
 
I use JavaScript.
 
I use MSVS : - /
: - \
 
5:53 PM
@ScarletAmaranth What an idiot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not proud of it : - /
but integrating GCC with VS is not fun
 
Using MSVC is not stigmatised enough to make the world a better place.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Hmm.
 
user1804599
I use JavaScript too. As a target language.
 
5:54 PM
I don't have a target.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I do too. But using MSVS 2010 is part of the contracts I'm working on
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes as soon as JetBrains decide to release their sodding IDE, I will switch to that + GCC / Clang, vOv
 
their IDE will probably suck as bad as ReSharper for C++
 
@EricFinn 2010... ewwww;
 
I'll start watching "Ping pong the animation".
 
5:55 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah, seriously. At least we have rvalue references and std::unique_ptr.
 
@Rapptz well, MS will probably try to do something about VS even if their IDE for C++ is initially bad tbh
@EricFinn I'm pretty sure you can just boost::unique_ptr (if need be)
 
Guys I need another help
 
Qt Creator is probably better than JetBrain's IDE and they never bothered to make VS better as a result.
You're living in false dreams.
 
mmmm
I'm not a big fan of Qt Creator... I'd rather just code::cocks in such case I suppose
 
but latest Qt does not support VS2013
 
5:57 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Nope. Boost isn't approved for use on our contracts. If we were to use Boost, we'd need to put it through a rather thorough code review.
 
Code Blocks is absolutely terrible in comparison
 
@EricFinn well that's horrible, vOv
 
user1804599
Code Cocks
 
The same thorough code review all your code is put through, I hope.
 
It's almost no better than using Notepad.
 
5:58 PM
I have some personal issues with QT Creator
:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, more thorough. To the point where in many cases, it's easier to make something in-house than it is to use an external library.
 
Yeah, you've probably never tried it :v
 
Why we can not define Lambda function which return multiple types? any conceptual or theoretical answer?
 
@EricFinn How does that help then :S
 
@BuddhikaChaturanga because it's ill-formed.
 
Xeo
6:00 PM
Whee
 
lol
a game 4chan made is now on Extra Credits
colour me impressed :v
It also won some awards in GDC.
 
because it's ill-formed. (wonder)
 
risk of rain is 4chan made?
 
Xeo
It's also part of the weekly humble bundle
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, there are some cases where we need to do something that somebody else has done better. But that's pretty much limited to Infragistics for GUI stuff and MBUnit for automated testing.
 
6:03 PM
@AlexM. Yes.
It's even on the credits and title screen
(look for AGDG)
 
@EricFinn What I don't get is why it is that code that was never seen by anyone else gets less scrutiny than code that has had years of people looking at it.
 
It's the most successful game on AGDG thus far. AGDG stands for Amateur Game Developer General, a thread that appears every day on /vg/ that has been going on for like ~2-3 years.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because our customers (and, by extension, us) are worried about malicious code. Our employees are trusted, but not necessarily contributors to open source projects.
 
Xeo
RoR's fun. I just wish it wouldn't kill my PC when there are many enemies :(
 
@Rapptz good to know
I thought they only did visual novels about people with disabilities
 
user1804599
6:07 PM
@Xeo Fuck RoR.
 
RoR is fun, but hard as hell. At least at first.
 
rake db:migrate?
 
@AlexM. No one in AGDG makes visual novels.
 
goodnight buddies
:D
 
user1804599
Sleep well.
 
user1804599
6:14 PM
(Forever.)
 
@AlexM. muhahaha. something tells me that's only partially true.
 
forever
:(
@rightfold die well 4ever
 
user1804599
Something tells me I should give Groovy a try.
 
Ah, I can feel the love here
 
You're talented.
 
6:21 PM
@sehe you got me, I just don't like star wars enough
all star wars games are 60% off today, except in my region
 
user1804599
IntelliJ is so slow on my home computer. :[
 
user1804599
It uses 100% CPU when I move the fucking cursor.
 
lol
 
user1804599
At work it’s fast as hell.
 
6:30 PM
3
Q: Give high-rep users super-close votes

Robert HarveyAs a person's commitment to the community increases, I think we should make it possible for high-reputation users to fast-track the closure of certain questions. My reasons are many; for brevity, I won't repeat them all in detail here. But you can find them in all of the recent discussions here...

 
user1804599
@Mysticial They should rather take away the super close votes from mods.
 
I am still much disappoint that LIRO's French question was closed :(
 
6:49 PM
@Mysticial has anyone ever suggested the SE be turned into a paid membership network?
 
@AlexM. That's called Expert-sex-change.
 
@AlexM. Oh, great idea! But we should make the content indexable by Google, of course
 
@Mysticial why the sex change bit lol
 
It's called "ExpertsExchange".
But of course people are going to read it the other way.
 
Or, if you're looking at the URL, "expertsexchange"
 
user1804599
6:52 PM
Ah, IntelliJ isn’t slow anymore after using it for a few minutes.
 
first time I hear of that site, let's see
 
It's ambiguous, and one of the ways to resolve the ambiguities involves "sex". So of course you know what everybody picks.
 
Xeo
Low quality questions are already closed very quickly: reducing that time by 10s isn't going to make a dent. Besides, although I appreciate the sentiment and I certainly appreciate you searching for solutions, can you imagine a certain high rep user who famously fared poorly in the last mod elections wielding this sort of power? High rep isn't a good indicator for responsible behaviour. — Lightness Races in Orbit 8 mins ago
Hahaha, I wonder who you could possibly mean!
 
@AlexM. SO was made as a free alternative to ExpertsExchange.
 
Yeah, it used to be that whenever you searched Google for programming questions, the top results would be ExpertsExchange. Then when you click the link to find your answer, you hit a paywall.
(Which could be circumvented by using Google's chached copy or changing your user-agent, but still, it sucked)
 
6:58 PM
Oops, I've been bad. I answered an easy question with multi-dups 'cos it was easier and I get rep:(
 
Xeo
@MartinJames Shame on you.
 
@Xeo I don't know why he's being downvoted.
Closing questions really is simple and it's not going to change much
 
well yeah, that's what I had in mind
as long as the SE is open to anyone, anyone will post
even something trivial like $2 would make someone think twice about asking junk questions
it would especially make them look twice at the possibly related questions list
 
Xeo
that's a horrible idea
 
Yeah. Any paywall would pretty much instantly kill the site and result in a clone within a month.
 
7:02 PM
then some priorities need to be set up
 
we would turn into expert sex change
 
is SO after quality content or after high traffic?
 
Its purpose is to be useful to the professional programmer community
 
is music about major scales or minor scales?
 
@ScarletAmaranth I don't know enough about music to say anything about your analogy
 
7:03 PM
That is possible even if low quality content gets posted, as long as it's still easy to find the high quality content.
 
wasn't the topic these days about stopping low quality content from getting through?
that's what I'm referring to
 
Or at least reducing the amount of low quality content
 
you can only identify low quality content after it's gotten here
 
Yes
 
so the only real solution that I personally see is stopping the streams most likely to generate low quality content
 
Xeo
7:06 PM
Block out India from SO, done!
 
Can you think of a way to do that without impacting users that produce high quality content?
 
@ScarletAmaranth are you talking about cymbals
 
@StackedCrooked potato?
 
Because making the site harder to use or less accessible will impact everybody.
 
@EricFinn leave them intact? nope, nothing
 
7:06 PM
@ScarletAmaranth potato?
what potato
 
@StackedCrooked why would you ask whether I was talking about cymbals :D?
 
they are musical and they are scales, not?
 
Xeo
Do you know what "major scales" and "minor scales" are?
 
big cymbals vs small ones :P
 
Xeo
...
 
7:08 PM
o_O
 
just kidding
 
Good. Everybody knows that there aren't cymbals big enough to be major scales. That's gongs.
 
I recall from school that minor scales are sad sounding.
Not sure if accurate.
 
yeah that about sums it up... sort of :)
 
wow I sound smart now
 
7:12 PM
:: much amaze ::
 
:P
such do re mi
 
many wow
 
But back to ways to deal with the low quality of questions. From looking at reddit, it seems that a common solution is to create a new community with a narrower scope than the original, and let the more popular community keep its lower-quality content.
For example, people got fed up with all the memes and low-effort content in /r/gaming, so they made /r/Games that's more focused on discussion and news.
If people are really abandoning SO due to low quality/low effort content, then something similar might be a solution.
 
Won't it simply become the "new so".
where history repeats itself
 
Xeo
Hm, I won't be home for the new Mahouka episode tomorrow
NOOOO~
 
7:20 PM
Yeah, most likely.
If the old SO remains intact and more popular, and the new one is more aggressively moderated, then it'll take longer. But yes, as the site gets more popular, the more you'll get low quality content.
 
Xeo
On the other hand, I will finally get to finish KlK, Zvezda, RGZ, Space Dandy and Saki
 
@Xeo AHAHAH!!! I'll spoil it for you :D
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth Want me to spoil you the rest of Mahouka? I read the Light Novels. :)
 
OMG! shut up! :D
 
Going back to reddit, when you have a group create a /r/truesomething because they're tired of the quality of the content in /r/something, after a while you also get a /r/truetruesomething because people get tired of the low quality of content in /r/truesomething.
It's not a permanent solution. I don't know if anybody has found a permanent solution to this sort of problem.
 
Xeo
7:21 PM
You guys really don't know just how OP Tatsuya is.
16 mins ago, by Xeo
Block out India from SO, done!
 
Tatsuya is his sister?
(4 episodes not enough)
:D
 
Maybe questions shouldn't be answerable until they have ---5 upvotes--- +5 score, and upvoting questions should require 2k rep :p Still prone to idiots being "helpful" and pity upvoting but it would be less abuseable and a very clear signal as to what is and is not welcome here. Y'know, something objective and concrete that we could link to in the FAQ. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
@Eric That was SO's remit back in the day
 
actually I like that
"To get an answer, the community must first approve your question through upvotes."
this could spawn upvote spam accounts though
 
yep thats always a thing. i guess at this point it's all about minimising such things rather than trying to prevent them entirely
hard to get 2k on a spam account
it will seem draconian but srsly i reckon this will turn SO back into what it's supposed to be and end this tortuous winter of "but sir this is a help site". cos guess what. it isnt.
and that does NOT preclude SO activity from helping you out in practice. subtle difference there
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth lolwut?
 
7:34 PM
@Xeo who is Tatsuya ?! :D
 
Xeo
Tatsuya is Tatsuya
and he's damn OP
nothing more, nothing less :)
 
is it the main guy?
dayum I'll just google
 
Xeo
Oh, you actually don't remember the name?
 
You're the main guy.
 
Xeo
Yes it is
I was wondering why you sounded so confused
 
7:35 PM
I started watching No game no life, Mahouka and Oratera Flag
so I have some... naming collisions in my domain
 
Xeo
heh
Mahouka is pretty bad wrt names
Miyuki, Mizuki, Mayumi
 
@Servy At least in the C++ tag, real questions hit 5 quickly and crap questions so not. The problem here I guess is one of setting a threshold, and that's problematic because on SO we effectively now have separate communities. Heck, maybe they need splitting up. — Lightness Races in Orbit 37 secs ago
 
user1804599
SBT is such a nice build system.
 
not really "bad" with names
 
Xeo
Not "bad" in the sense of "they suck" but "bad" as in "can be hard to remember"
 
7:37 PM
unlike F/Z
they just keep repeating
"Kotomine Kirei"
until it makes you want to name your firstborn that
 
Xeo
Getting all those names starting with M straight in the LN was a bit of a challenge in the beginning
 
my next meta proposal is gonna be so fucking drastic. i can feel it.
 
imo it's the fault of the reader not the author
 
although I do admit that "Kotomine Kirei" is a badass name
 
@Xeo They all sorta blend into one, like TurboC++ questions.
 
7:38 PM
@MartinJames hahahaha; is that thing still around :D?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I never said it was
 
yes, it's used in schools
@Xeo It felt implied.
 
Hehe - you fell for it:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23435542/problems-compiling-and-executing-this-code-in-c
 
why is that not surprising somewhat : - /
 
i do find it borderline amusing that all the bigeta questions lately have been about how everyone's fucking fed up
big meta*
 
7:41 PM
Also, OP posts an error message: 'Constructor cannot have a return type specification, in the method void Agente::Agente),' and then posts code with a ctor with a return type:(
 
Xeo
@MartinJames WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG?!
 
Apologies for this, but I need to link a meta question in order to capture the chat UI for linked question.
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Q: Give more attention to suggested duplicates

Ben Voigthere are many proposals for changing the rep incentives associated with closing vs answering duplicates. But they either (1) can be gamed, or (2) penalize users who put work into answers on interesting niche questions, for which the duplicate was hard to find. I have two suggestions, which I'll ...

 
arg, y no fairy tail yet?
 
user1804599
> This class ...
 
7:46 PM
RPCS3 is an in-development Emulator for Windows, Linux and OS X that would allow PlayStation 3 games to be played on a computer. As of March 9, 2014, the emulator is capable of reaching the title screen of some commercial games and can fully run others. Cinema Blend's William Usher wrote that "A lot of gamers originally thought that the complexity of the PlayStation 3's Cell architecture would have prevented it from being emulated", but the development of RPCS3 shows that emulation is possible, and is moving faster than emulation of the Xbox 360 gaming console. Before RPCS3, a Wii consol...
this really looks neat
 
Dolphin has incidentally raised the bar for emulators I use IMO.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I pooped, a little.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit btw, I moved my comment to the question.
 
@Mysticial did you delete your comment -.-
ah
 
7:52 PM
im on mobile and feel handicapped right now
 
scaled up a little bit, PSP games in an emulator look pretty awesome
 
man the SE app is right playing up today. keeps crashing on me
@Mysticial thanks for letting me know - i would have remained mysticialfied :)
 
It's a waste of time trying to decide on the correct response to the bad questions. I could just spend all day continually issuing close-votes. It's a full-time job. Fuck it.
 

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