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10:00 AM
Scumbag @sbi
 
@thecoshman Are you willing to push me around in a wheelchair, because there's no way on this Earth I can manage a festival with crutches alone?
 
@TonyTheLion :S depends... do you want to go?
 
@thecoshman If its got metal playing, and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg, then why the why not go?
 
@TonyTheLion did you look at it?
 
link?
 
10:08 AM
[example.com]
oh, shame that that doesn't work :(
 
@thecoshman that looks quite dark
music wise
The only band I know on that list is Arch Enemy
might still be fun though
 
@TonyTheLion o_0 CoF?
 
@thecoshman I didn't seem them on that list
 
@TonyTheLion ... scroll down, there be five stages, they are headlining metal stage on Sunday
 
10:14 AM
oh cool
 
Can't miss the fuckshovel
 
so you're quite into CoF then?
@CatPlusPlus I was going to make a comment about that :P
 
@TonyTheLion vOV metal
also, Manson?
 
I know of Manson, never listened to any of his stuff
 
@TonyTheLion :O
 
10:16 AM
I quite like Nymphetamine, Gabrielle and Gilded Cunt by CoF
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ funny how they are all sexually names songs...
 
Ok...
At first glance, I think AspectJ is awesome.
Why does C++ not have anything like it? :)
 
reflection vOv
I'm sure it could do, but it would be a PITA the introduce
 
Anything is pita to introduce
 
inb4 Everything is terrible
 
10:19 AM
s/Ever/An/
come on now
 
We have attributes now. That could be the vehicle for the compile time instrumentation similar to what AspectJ seems to do.
 
No.
These are not the attributes you're looking for.
3
Attributes are not that.
 
@wilx ahahahah pat pat
 
@CatPlusPlus What?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not?
 
10:20 AM
@wilx Because they don't change a program's semantics.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who says that?
Beside you.
 
The committee.
 
@wilx You think attributes are usable by users
 
The fact that compilers are required to ignore the ones they don't understand.
 
Whatever.
 
10:21 AM
The big problem with AoP reflection is that code that 'clearly' does just X may in fact also now also do Y or even just do Z.
 
@thecoshman So what?
 
@wilx Try debugging that shit
 
@thecoshman Uh what
 
@thecoshman You can write bad code with any tools/programming languages.
 
@wilx true
 
10:22 AM
@thecoshman Also, guns shoot people. And cars kill people.
Etc.
 
You don't get any control over side effects in C++
 
Not an argument, IMHO. Not a compelling one at least.
 
Any code that 'clearly' does whatever can do whatever else also
 
I'm not saying reflection is bad, just that it results in so much black magic.
 
No it doesn't
 
10:23 AM
@CatPlusPlus annotations ಠ_ಠ
 
What about them?
 
black magic
 
what
Or, you know, whatever
Also it's not black, it's green
 
it's clearly black; dark, bitter, not much liked coffee with nothing sweet about it
 
It's perfectly understandable, it's just over your security clearance
 
10:27 AM
mawnin
 
@CatPlusPlus of course it is understandable, does not make it any less a PITA too understand.
 
I'll tell you a secret
Annotations are just metadata
They don't do anything
 
It's especially painful when you have undocumented aspect classes
not directly no, but they are used to make shit happen
 
What you're saying is p :psyduck: just fyi
 
@thecoshman Everything is especially painful if undocumented.
 
10:31 AM
btw @R.MartinhoFernandes if that weekend Paranoia is still a thing then I might get slightly drunk and try it out also, with a disclaimer that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing in RPGs in general
Just did some shitty play-by-posts (probably in the number of ONE) some 9 years ago
 
@CatPlusPlus well, in the general sense you are pretending to not be yourself, so you should do good.
 
Pretending to not be yourself is treason
 
@CatPlusPlus So far only the puppy said 'yes'. It's a thing as soon as there's enough people.
At least three players, I'd say.
 
Wasn't @Xeo also on board, explain yourself @Xeo
@Xeo
 
what's this? mass plinking of @xeo?
> where information (including the game rules) are restricted by 'security clearance'.
what?
 
10:34 AM
You're not allowed to ask that question
 
meh
 
why is everyone plinking @Xeo
 
@CatPlusPlus Betraying us with some other gamers.
 
5 mins ago, by thecoshman
what's this? mass plinking of @xeo?
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean @xeo is?
 
what did I miss?
Also can someone please explain to me why SQL Server is terrible?
 
10:50 AM
@TonyTheLion vOv plinking @xeo
 
You can stop now
 
@TonyTheLion well you see, no body gives a fuck
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus ideone.com/P8yj05 vOv
 
> SQL
 
@thecoshman I noted the lack of fucks given
 
10:50 AM
1 hour ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Also if it worked like you want it to work, you wouldn't be able to make inherited abstract classes
 
@DeadMG valid point
 
It's not concrete until you implement everything
 
Damnit, the connection to a particular SQL instance on a particular server is slow only from MY machine. WTF is this treachery??!!!
 
@TonyTheLion try waxing your modem
 
user1804599
10:56 AM
@CatPlusPlus metaclass=ABCMeta.
 
It complicates things
 
user1804599
I do not like implicit abstractness.
 
You're probably overcomplicating shit
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
> The program compiled successfully
 
user1804599
11:03 AM
lolwot
 
See? You're overcomplicating shit.
 
The only place I've seen ABCs used in Python is standard library
And that's only to provide wider type categories to test against
 
user1804599
I’d rather have error at instantiation time than at method call time.
 
And Zope with zope.interface but almost nobody uses that either
 
user1804599
Best would be at compile-time but hey.
 
11:05 AM
Stop bothering with this shit, it's not necessary
If you need to inherit explicit base classes to provide some overloadable ops then your design probably sucks anyway
 
user1804599
I don’t have to because of dynamic typing.
 
user1804599
The base class just acts as an interface.
 
user1804599
It has only abstract methods and nothing else.
 
Then don't, make your shit generic
 
user1804599
It is generic.
 
11:07 AM
You're type-checking, so no
 
user1804599
I just want to prevent myself from forgetting to implement methods.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus I am not.
 
Buy a better brain
3
 
user1804599
The only type check that happens is when instantiating the class.
 
I need to typecheck my sleep
 
user1804599
11:14 AM
The compiler should do it for me.
 
inb4 the compile should write all my code for me
 
user1804599
There is a difference between writing code for me and checking the code I wrote.
 
vOv true, checking you failed is easy, you did.
 
TIL the colour orange was named after the fruit orange, not the other way around
 
[citation needed]
 
11:20 AM
[your mother needed]
 
@DeadMG Building demolition coming up?
 
wat
 
Why else would you need his mother?
 
He did it
I think I'm gonna time travel to evening now
 
11:27 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What does building demolition have to do with a "Your mother" joke?
 
Oh gosh.
It is a "your mother" joke.
She's so fat they use her to demolish buildings.
 
well, I'm pretty sure I got that far.
but there's a million miles between "Your mother" and "Demolish buildings".
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm sorry, but that's just bad.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit depends how sensational you want your news I guess
@DeadMG what do you expect?
 
Xeo
ugh, what have I done to deserve waking up to 6 plinks?
 
sleep
 
11:39 AM
@thecoshman :<
 
@Xeo Only 6? Also no idea.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have an amazing track record
 
Since I am studying for this builder course, I have been browsing home building time lapse videos - I have never realised that expensive looking stone building & high rise building can be so flimsy ...
 
6. meh.
Also: chatting too much just before sleep
 
@sehe They were all this morning.
 
Xeo
11:45 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes this weekend has been reserved for Dark Heresy for a long time. /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
¬_¬ oh great... time to track down a sporadic 'bug' that sounds like a fundamental design flaw in a product I know VERY little about. And of course this 'trivial' bug is 'critical'.
 
Xeo
also, stupid delivery guy, waking me up when I just managed to fall asleep again after waking up from leg pain, ugh
 
afgaehr
Fuck error codes.
 
@JBL they are deleted after three views
 
Oct 22 '13 at 20:48, by TemplateRex
@R.MartinhoFernandes instead of pub quizzes, you need to do a standup routine
 
Xeo
11:48 AM
@StackedCrooked you're mean
 
@Xeo Yeah. Why didn't he read your note, directly next to the doorbell!
Eternally
That's a promise
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes?
 
Don't confuse your faulty memory with my track recorder :<
@DeadMG Asio's giving me so much annoyance because of this crap.
 
@thecoshman I got it just fine
 
11:55 AM
what, no BL here? psh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes To some extent, I have sympathy for them.
 
I think DeadMG made the mistake of parsing it as a "your mom" joke, rather than a "yo momma's so fat" joke
(Kids these days)
 
Granted, it's kinda acceptable there, because it's kinda hard to throw from async handlers.
 
when the OS gives you back error codes it's not always easy to translate that (especially in a cross-platform API) into something meaningful.
also the whole asynchronous thing.
 
11:56 AM
@DeadMG You can always just throw system_error. Marginally, but still better.
 
A testcase of what? it's one line of code. I have a matrix in the given size and I try to flip it. Don't overcomplicate this. — Ran 49 mins ago
grrr
 
Xeo
The nice part is that this even works when foo is overloaded and/or cnversions are nededed: void foo(int); void foo(std::string); fun(foo, 42, "abc", 3.5); - will call foo(std::string("abc"))MSalters 36 mins ago
I think he is confused.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One of the bad feelings I'm getting about creating APIs that wrap OS APIs (like I/O) is requiring decent exceptions and how difficult it might be to actually get the information I want to give back from the OS in the first place.
 
What kind of information do you want?
It rarely matters whether the disk blew up or the file got deleted by a rogue process.
 
well, for example, if you have permission denied, then I want to know which permission.
 
11:59 AM
What can your code do with that information?
 
how about just report it to the user?
I know that it pisses me off no end when apps just pop up with "Permission denied." as an error
 
@Xeo Why's that?
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because overloads will wreck that code, and not just magically work like you want
 
but I'd still like to add other things like filepath.
 
Oh, yeah, because you can't pass all the foos in at once.
It annoyed me when they dialled all Stargates in the galaxy simultaneously. Guess it's like that.
 
Xeo
12:01 PM
(he wants []foo, which doesn't happen)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not really like that because there's no concrete reason why it couldn't work, it's just a language deficit.
whereas I definitely thought that dialling more than one Stargate at once was cheating.
 
@DeadMG It's a conference call.
 
I mean, what would even happen if you stepped through the Stargate?
would you arrive on every planet at once?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG wait, did they get cloned or what?
 
@Xeo Actually, no.
 
Xeo
12:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Conference Call
 
which was doubly disappointing.
 
@DeadMG The language defect (even if we call it a "defect") is the concrete reason why it couldn't work.
 
there's lots of cool things you could do if you could gate to multiple planets at the same time, like cloning yourself.
but they never investigated it.
 
Yes, a computer that exists in our universe could execute code that makes something like that work. I don't see much point in rationalising about that though
 
Xeo
.... so why did they dial everything in the first place?
 
12:04 PM
@DeadMG Yeah the show had sort of jumped the shark by that point. They also suddenly decided that it only took 0.3s to transit, and kept repeating it in the following episodes.
 
@DeadMG I don't find that cool at all :|
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Some of the other subtleties of gate travel are inconsistent too.
 
Then there was the time the entire Gamma Base imploded and all personnel horribly eaten from the inside out by carnivorous bugs and, when SG1 got home, the first thing they did was gleefully decide to go to the cinema or a restaurant or something. Y'know, never mind the grieving.
 
@Xeo Transmit some doomsday weapon through the gate to hit the entire galaxy at once (which it wouldn't)
 
@DeadMG Yeah there are a few but none that grated me like that. Do you have any specifics in mind? I feel like I've answered many of them to various people over the years
 
Xeo
12:06 PM
also, from what I remember from Stargate, how the fuck would you even dial more than one planet
 
@Xeo Never explained.
 
JBL
@Xeo No love for my std::function :(
 
@Xeo Well, quite.
 
JBL
(But I know and recognize it's not the best way to do it actually)
 
It was not only retarded but, according to the fact that I have a brain, internally inconsistent
 
12:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sure. Atlantis 1x03- they're stuck in the Stargate and a big deal is made of the atomic transmission. But SG1 several times shows things being cut off- Kowalsky's head in 1x03, a staff in 3x06, etc.
 
generally, it's clear that whenever the gate is featured, it behaves as plot requires.
 
Data races.
 
@DeadMG That's not an inconsistency. We don't know that the Jaffa or Kowalsky's partial head materialised on the other side. In fact, in that Atlantis episode, it was clear that only half the jumper would remain on the sending side, even though none of it would reappear in Atlantis. That's why they didn't simply move to the front compartment.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The Jumper didn't either.
er, yes.
but the gate didn't shut down whilst the Jumper was still in it.
 
JBL
12:08 PM
@StackedCrooked I even left a nice comment on Coliru, you're making me regret it :(
 
so if it was consistent then the Stargate should have refused to shut down whilst Kowalsky's head/Jaffa's staff was still in it.
 
@DeadMG Er, it was going to. All the debate during the episode was about what would happen in that case. The episode was even entitled "38 minutes", named after the clock counting down to that event.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But not before 38 minutes.
 
@DeadMG Well, arguably yes. I'll give you that
 
@JBL :D
 
12:09 PM
Pegasus gates have better failsafes.
 
@JBL Shared posts stay online as long as Coliru stays alive. I don't know for how long that will be.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes To be fair, SGU's gates had that feature as well.
 
JBL
@StackedCrooked Yes, I saw that in the comments :) Thanks.
 
@DeadMG Actually in the former case, didn't Teal'c or Jack instruct the airman to cut the power to the gate? That'd do it... It wasn't a spontaneous gate shutdown.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked but @sehe does - he promised they stay up eternally :p
 
12:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, you could make an argument for a difference between Milky Way gate and Pegasus gate.
 
And the staff thing was in a mirror universe IIRC
 
@Xeo ah, that's good to know
load off my mind
 
I am confused, are you all gay or just the most of you?
 
JBL
@Xeo But will @sehe be eternal and able to grant that?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What did they do with that anyway?
(Was that SGU?)
 
12:13 PM
No wonder you only hit on each other ... all starting to make sense now ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fired the Dakara weapon to disintegrate the Replicators
@R.MartinhoFernandes SG1 S8
 
I still think that was a copout
 
It was massively a copout
 
because they'd written themselves into a corner.
 
12:15 PM
yep
 
sbi
So, I tore Björns refactoring idea to shrouds, had lunch, and now I'm back.
 
it would only take one Replicator on a planet or in the middle of space not near a Stargate.
 
Meh. The Dakara superweapon is just a huge pile of McGuffin magic.
 
sbi
Has anyone of you already made any progress on my question? :)
 
> thje transforming iteratoor then return that
is that a pun? (related to "transformation")
 
sbi
12:17 PM
@StackedCrooked Fixed the typoes. Thanks. What pun do you see in that? Have I messed up in English?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I generally thought that the later seasons probably weren't as good.
felt like the writers could hardly come up with anything except "Discover Ancient technology; use to solve problem".
 
sbi
BTW, this is heavy template stuff, suitable for a positronic brain. nudge :)
What's a weekend paranoia, BTW?
 
@DeadMG That's way too common with TV SciFi. And then either they write themselves into a different corner, or they pretend they never were in one.
 
Xeo
@sbi I feel like that question is misskng some crucial part - what have you done already? :p
 
@sbi I might have a look later.
 
12:21 PM
@sbi I feel like I should have a look at it, but I'm so lazy right now.
 
@sbi Paranoia is a game.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, that makes sense then.
 
I has a CT scan today.
 
sbi
@Xeo I have tried to penetrate some boost stuff yesterday afternoon, and came up dry as to great ideas how to do what I want to do using their MPL. (As I said, I already have all the building blocks to do this from before they even started working on the MPL, but I'd rather use what's already there than put yet more code of mine into this, which does what boost already does.)
@R.MartinhoFernandes You lazy bone!
@StackedCrooked And you, too.
 
@sbi I'm in the middle of a refactoring.
Need to kick some poorly structured code into shape.
 
sbi
12:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So am I. Why do you think I asked this? :)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, that's a made-up name I used for that question.
 
I know :)
My brain is in a foggy state of mind.
Just woke up from a long sleep.
 
@sbi I actually don't believe that MPL/Fusion/etc have anything to add here.
 
maybe you are drugged
 
12:28 PM
Sleeping too long is not good either.
 
remember this is a gay lounge
 
Boost phoenix maybe? It has this composition functionality.
 
it can be dangerous
 
Xeo
@DeadMG compile-time iteration over type lists?
 
@StackedCrooked Considered it but won't address all the use cases- stuff like pair.second and dynamic_cast can't be expressed that way.
@Xeo Personally, I don't really see the benefit of listing them rather than using a head/tail approach which is super easy to combine yourself.
 
Xeo
12:30 PM
@DeadMG I'm sure phoenix has a primitive for the latter, and potentially for the former
 
faux variadics are gonna get super nasty here IYAM
 
sbi
@DeadMG I believe you're wrong. For example, my original idea is to recursively derive from a list of wrappers around the traits given and have those wrappers call their own traits and pass the result down the recursion's tail. But just the type list manipulations necessary for this is something I have done more than a decade ago, but would probably be beaten to death over here if I'd implement this myself again.
Indeed. Mhmm. Actually, why is this Lounge called gay?
 
@sbi If you have ever written a single test, you must be gay, which is pretty much all of us.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Cocktails>: Big orgy on June 7th, don't miss the fun. [booze-semantics] [drunken-robots] [margarita] [mojto] [shaken-not-stirred]
 
Xeo
oi
 
12:32 PM
@FredOverflow much better
 
@sbi Yeah. That sounds totally unnecessary.
 
sbi
@DeadMG ??? I fail to get the joke.
@DeadMG What sound unnecessary?
 
Xeo
@sbi And I here I was thinking you're always skimming the transcript of the last 3 months when you show up.
 
sbi
Oh, and I need to tell you guys something!
The last four weeks we have been working like crazy ---lobbying-- hammering at our community's politicians, and last night we got a sweet, sweet victory, with the community's parliament's vast majority (2 nay, 2 abstention) voting for the councilor to again start the negotiations while pushing further towards our suggestions. :) Of course, at the end of the negotiations we won't get everything they now in our name demand to get.
But in politics, so I have learned in this last, crazy year, you should always aim high, because you might only get half of what you want.
 
@sbi implementing stuff like that is too much fun to be called work
 
sbi
12:34 PM
@Xeo I don't always have the time to do this, though.
 
Xeo
@sbi I'd try something with MPL, but doing so is annoying while lying in my bed and using my tablet.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Indeed. Have you had fun yet, today? :)
@Xeo So get out of bed you lazy bastard! It's 1:30pm!
 
I had some mild amusement.
 
Xeo
@sbi Can't, leg's stopping me from doing so.
 
sbi
@Xeo Oh. You hurt?
 
Xeo
12:36 PM
I've been out of commission for the last 4 weeks.
 
@sbi I would never imagine the loungers would lie, so ... maybe most of the regulars here are ... umm ... gay?
 
sbi
@Xeo What's "out of commission" mean here?
 
out of control
broken
 
sbi
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Yeah, I admit that I'm gay. Always have been. But I do have all those kids. Now go figure.
 
not able to responding well to the command of the person
 
Xeo
12:39 PM
Mystery Pain in my leg when I sit or stretch it in any way
 
sbi
@Xeo Oh. What's up with it?
 
@sbi men can get pregnant after all?
 
Xeo
Mystery Pain
 
Xeo
nobody knows what's wrong with my leg. all I know is that it hurts :)
 
sbi
12:41 PM
@StackedCrooked I am sure tehy can, with a few modifications. The question is whether they'd still be called "men" afterwards.
 
Xeo
hopefully the orthopedist finds something tomorrow, though
 
sbi
Well, good luck with this.
 
@Xeo I thought the appointment was next Wednesday?
 
damn
 
sbi
And if I can put in some of my experience, @Xeo: With the really hard problems, doctors might be able to figure out what's wrong and/or what to do about, but might not always be able to do so all on their own.
 
Xeo
12:42 PM
@StackedCrooked they have 'emergency' appointments at certain times, one of those being tomorrow arround noon
 
it would be substantially easier if you had template aliases.
 
sbi
@Xeo All the best!
 
maybe xeo is pregnant & he doesn't know it - pregnant men have leg problems sometimes
 
sbi
Well, I am at work, and Björn is nagging me over helping him with the refactoring we now agreed on (after I shot down his proposal), so I guess I need to leave.
 
Xeo
thanks
 
12:51 PM
Hmm. Title reminds me - I still have not booked my Berlin brothel.
 
well hello friends. why is C++ documentation so awkward?
 
@Xeo I broke my kneecap (and screwed up the joint) a few years ago, and I can tell you this: if I don't go for a walk regularly it gets really bad. a walk at least once every couple of days and its fine
 
Xeo
@doug65536 well, I still have to do groceries
even if walking hurts
 
also, if I wanted to represent an array of bits, is there some sort of special variable for that, or just use a long?
 
@Crowz an array of bits is std::vector<bool>. It's specialized
 

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