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8:00 PM
Evening chaps.
 
Web site that the server's still there, and it responds when you get a page, but it hasn't been updated in 5 or 10 years (or sometimes even longer).
 
@Borgleader some tweets are talking about 3 anouncements
I'm hoping for HL3 but thats just me
 
Why do I feel so bad killing bugs? :(
 
Because you're weird. Fuck bugs.
@JerryCoffin It's like going back in time.
And then there are sites that look like from 1999 but were actually made in AD 2013
 
@ÓlafurWaage You should stop hoping :P HL3 is a myth.
 
8:11 PM
Anno Domini
nope
lalalala
not listening
 
@Rapptz Dunno. They're k selected (or is it r selected?) so their evolutionary strategy is based on a large number of deaths
 
Their evolutionary strategy is a side-effect from dying a lot, so they have a lot of generations passing unlike humans (~82 years per generation)
 
I wish they evolved out of this planet
 
it's less about the length of generation and more about the volume of offspring and the energy invested in each one.
 
8:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus Such as Comeau. But look -- he actually did (at little bit of) an update last month! Maybe there's hope for an update to my ancient copy of como after all!
 
humans have few offspring, much energy, (all, iirc) insects have many, many offspring, but invest little energy in each
 
@ÓlafurWaage I shouldn't talk though, I'm still waiting for a proper sequel to the KotoR franchise =/
 
Evolution is determined by generations and genetic strength so
 
@DeadMG ...and recently, humans have gone even further into the few offspring, massive energy for each strategy.
 
@JerryCoffin Yep, pretty extremely far.
 
8:16 PM
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Q: Why there isn't a Functor instance for Kleisli in Control.Arrow?

Daniel Díaz CarreteWhile trying to familiarize myself with Control.Arrow, I have noticed that the Kleisli newtype would seem to admit a Functor instance, something like: instance Monad m => Functor (Kleisli m a) where fmap f (Kleisli k) = Kleisli $ liftM f . k Is there a reason why this instance isn't provid...

 
Fuck sake
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Because.
 
@Xeo just admit you don't know
 
@CatPlusPlus Sure is. A short extract from the current Comeau site: "Don't let 2006 go by without contacting us about a new port for your platform!"
 
my bet is on "there's more than one interpretation possible"
 
Xeo
8:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Moar newtypes!
 
@ScottW posted a fucking link to my FB page in this chat. Seriously?!!
 
@Xeo bear in mind I have no idaea what I'm talking about
@TonyTheLion :D
 
Where is the common sense?
 
inb4 spam
 
How do I get rid of it?
 
8:22 PM
@TonyTheLion "Common sense" is one of the rarest commodities on earth.
 
Xeo
flag for mod?
 
@JerryCoffin Apparently
@Xeo Then it puts a flag on it for everyone to see, no?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion no
 
all 10k+ users
 
Xeo
only for mods
 
8:23 PM
@JerryCoffin Doesn't help that people confuse it with "Common knowledge"
 
Xeo
okay, I can't seem to flag it for mods, no button there in the transcript :|
 
I can
 
Does anyone know a word for describing the dimension or scale between Assertiveness - empathy?
 
Xeo
Sure that's not the normal flag?
 
I have no idea
 
Xeo
8:24 PM
that... was the normal flag :/
 
@BoltClock, where you at?
@Xeo I knew it
 
@DavidKron Is there no SE board to ask such question? :)
 
@DavidKron English.SE
 
My paper should be sent in in like 1 hour, aint nobody got time fo that
 
actually pretty active
 
8:26 PM
@Rapptz I think even more common is "my opinion == common sense"
@ÓlafurWaage IIRC, this type of question has been deemed off-topic on English Language and Usage.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz hm... I don't know what's prettier: liftM f . k or k >=> return . f
 
to where then?
 
Xeo
One emphasizes the composition, the other the monadic nature.
 
@ÓlafurWaage I'm not sure a good alternative exists (beyond just "a thesaurus").
 
8:35 PM
@TonyTheLion Inorite? I respected you. Now I learn you have a Facebook page? Le disappoint.
 
That I have a FB page is no secret, that doesn't mean that links to it should be posted here, EVER.
 
I have no intention of finding it, let alone linking to it
but I didn't realize it wasn't a secret, now my sarcasm is for nothing
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion I have it easy in that regard: I don't have a FB page!
 
@TonyTheLion Now, I know what to do if you ever piss me off...
:-)
 
@JerryCoffin oh you.
@Xeo Well smart man.
I only have it to keep in touch with some IRL friends
GTFO
 
8:37 PM
@TonyTheLion I guess it's a good thing I don't get pissed very easily.
 
@JerryCoffin Probably less easily than me.
I got mad at someone just yesterday.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Not that there's any reason why Tony would piss you off in the first place.
 
Why would I piss off a wasp?
 
@Xeo Well, that too, now that you mention it. Then again, some people seem to get pissed with no real reason.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Maybe you'd piss on a wasp?
 
8:39 PM
@TonyTheLion I got really mad at somebody just last...year. Or maybe it was the year before...
 
No.
 
Why
 
Cause you could Google it.
and get the answer
 
8:41 PM
And i did.
 
or just think about it
 
What a nice community this place is.
 
It is.
 
it is
 
You just have to contribute to it
 
8:42 PM
it's just not set up for answering random questions from random people.
 
and not be a leech
 
it's our place for relaxation, not customer service.
 
Alright.
 
@vorbis5 I think you have the wrong expectations about SO chat. Chatting about programming, doesn't mean answering people's questions. That's what SO proper is for.
 
Ok, thanks
 
8:43 PM
Chatting about programming means talking sex and eating babies.
12
 
hahahah
 
eh
I never found babies to sit well with my digestion.
 
@vorbis5 To add a bit more: there's a fair amount of disagreement over exactly what should or shouldn't be members. Quite a few books (with differing opinions) have been written on teh subject.
 
not much does these days of course, but even before then
 
@Mysticial Definitely.
 
8:44 PM
@DeadMG Too much fat -- gives me heartburn.
 
I emphasize the "talking about sex" because real programmers don't have sex.
 
@JerryCoffin alright, thanks man
 
@Mysticial I'm stealing that
 
Xeo
ÖJKAFBSÖJAF I fucking hate it when my taskbar stops autohiding after some stupid notification
 
The taskbar auto hide thing sucks
I don't use it, therefore
 
8:46 PM
@TonyTheLion "Sex kills. Become a programmer and live forever!"
 
hahaha
lolwat
 
Ell
haha I saw that today somewhere
 
@TonyTheLion Given the number of pregnant boys I've seen, I'd have to say they're on to something there.
 
you know, now that I think about it, I have to agree with this assertion
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
8:49 PM
although to be frank, I would expect to see a number of scientific studies as proof before accepting it as fact rather than a good suggestion
 
you need scientific studies to prove to you that boys don't get pregnant?
 
accepting anything for true without scientific proof would irretrievably kill my street cred
 
Ell
Boys can't get pregnant :3
 
didn't know you had street cred.
 
-4
Q: Why can't I upvote my own question?

ArianLet me start out by stating that I am not a narcissistic... I just like to give myself positive reinforcement! But in all seriousness, why can't we vote for ourselves? Even the US President is allowed to vote for himself, I just want to the same privilege. Some of my questions, I know are grea...

 
8:53 PM
@Mysticial LOL
 
@TonyTheLion It could happen. Really!
 
lol
> Even the US President is allowed to vote for himself, I just want to the same privilege.
hahahaha
 
you know
sometimes the trick to getting what you want is to just not give a shit
 
are trying that strategy?
 
@DeadMG It is easier if you don't want much.
 
Xeo
8:57 PM
-4
A: Why can't I upvote my own question?

DeadMGFuck the US President. Why would I care what that guy does or doesn't do, or can or can't do? There exist places other than the US, you know.

Somebody doesn't like that the US isn't the only place on earth, it seems!
 
Not a smart move there by the puppy
 
@TonyTheLion It was a very smart move.
 
You say that
 
the trick here is that the supposed downsides, like being downvoted or flagged or whatever, I simply don't give a shit about.
so it's a no-lose situation
 
you jelly because the US gets all the attention ?
 
9:00 PM
he's not jelly, he's the puppy
 
I have to admit, I appear to still be made of flesh and blood as opposed to jelly.
at least most of me, anyway
perhaps parts of my guts are no longer the flesh and blood they should be
 
@JerryCoffin Aww, that's just taunting. Rude.
 
Xeo
Hm... I think I'll go to sleep earlier today. G'night.
 
@Xeo G'night.
 
9:12 PM
@Xeo Hahaha, no you won't :P
 
hellowörld.
 
@DeadMG [citation needed]
 
@TonyTheLion evening
 
9:25 PM
Foul!
And a miss!
(No touching balls)
 
but I like touching balls
5
 
@CatPlusPlus hurr durr!
 
@DeadMG There, I'm giving you a star. But just this once.
 
lol
 
@DeadMG me too. it's so easy to play safe off of them!
@DeadMG Just wanted to point out that there is some kind of credibility inflation at work here. After a while, your condition moves from unbelievably sick to completely believably sick for entirely statistic reasons only... :(
 
9:30 PM
yeah
I guess that it's actually entirely believable that I am horrifically sick.
it's only been like three years.
next week I will be applying for incapacity benefit
 
In a way, I think that's a good sign. But it'll have to be hard accepting that, I imagine
 
well, first, I'll have to actually get there
and the incap benefit here has recently been overhauled and it's notorious for being terribly administrated, for example.
 
Always look at the ... nevermind
 
stories of people dying of cancer who can't get it
 
9:45 PM
The other side, then. Ho hum.
> Fit or Unfit : Analysis and Prediction of ‘Closed Questions’ on Stack Overflow pdf
 
> In the second phase, we construct a predictive model for identifying a ‘closed’ question using an ensemble learning technique and report 70.3% accurate predictions overall.
damn...
 
Anyone know a performance table of stl containers?
 
Now we know where that damned "I can tell you how to create another Google" crap came from -- it was to train their AI.
@DavidKron Performance table? Is that like a table near the stage of a dinner theater?
 
@JerryCoffin Naa i was thinking more of a set of data that is organized using a model of vertical columns and horizontal rows.
 
@DavidKron Oh yeah. I have seen things like that.
 
9:59 PM
I basically need the collection with fastest begin to end iteration
And i don't know whats fastest, the new forward_list or vector.
 
@DavidKron If you only care about iterating an existing collection, not about adding to/removing from the collection, vector will usually win.
 
@JerryCoffin I am certainly changing it, but i iterate every frame.
Are you meaning that it gets optimized if it stays the same size for the next iteration?
 
He's meaning that the vectoring has good localiting
(Vectoring will usually winning regardlessing)
 
@Borgleader To be honest, their metrics seem a bit... superficial. Not unlike the metrics actual humans use. It's hardly surprising that using the same kind of logic can match the human voting patterns. (A more interesting question swhould be (?) how can we make it objectively better than the superficial/tendentious voting by humans)
@CatPlusPlus amazing conjugating amalgating
 
10:16 PM
I wish I had some kodein or whatever.. damn this insomnia
 
@DavidKron std::vector has very good locality of reference because it's just a contiguous array of data. The expense is in maintaining that contiguity -- if you delete an item, it has to move all the other items over to fill the void. If you add too many items, it has to copy a new block of memory, and move/copy the existing data to the new memory.
 
Ell
Vodka has less units than I thought
 
hey rubik cubers
 
Hm?
 
that pesky constexpr support is starting to annoy me, wtf is std::reverse_iterator not a literal type in C++1y?
 
10:28 PM
@sehe Oh that's not what I'm impressed about. I'm impressed they were able to be so accurate. Arbitrary metric or not they were able to relatively accurately model "human behavior"
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks :)
 
the first author of that paper
booby spam
why would anyone flag it
 
@TemplateRex It's in a room called "Trash Can", so what's the problem?
 
I get these annoying message that require me to vote on it
 
I usually just ignore them.
 
10:41 PM
@Borgleader IOW they were able to demonstrate that question voting on SO is rote and superficial :/
I'm not very surprised
 
Gosh passing lambdas in initialization lists´s really gives messy code
 
@TemplateRex :)
 
someone rename the room "The Titty Bar"
 
@DavidKron s/passing lambdas in initialization lists/c++/
 
10:45 PM
@ScottW installing 2013RC
 
why does this lame blog posting show up on isocpp.org
 
actually uninstalling Preview now
I am not sure if I should remove 2012
meh, I'll keep it
 
@BartekBanachewicz O.O
 
@DavidKron what?
 
10:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz wut? are you using VC++?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dont you like c++ 11--?
 
@TemplateRex sometimes
@DavidKron I might need it for older libraries/projects/to check compatibility
not everyone is able to upgrade
 
I gave up on that about a year ago, too many bugs
 
they're constantly improving it
so saying "one year ago it was crap so I am not using it today" is a bit silly
 
@TemplateRex many meh articles there. still worth following from a distance
 
10:47 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I know, but so are clang and gcc. I am on Clang 3.4 SVN and believe me, there is no going back
 
@TemplateRex I bet you there is
 
@TemplateRex no, I am not going to believe you, because I am not interested in fanboyish wars for compilers. I can install both, so what?
 
Ive been using vs 12 for like a year and the only bugs ive encountered where in the windows libraries....Which probably is even worse...
 
constexpr C++14 style is really awesome, it eliminates almost all stupid TMP computation
 
10:49 PM
Yes but that is if we will ever get a compiler supporting it, i mean, its like implementing another language inside c++.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I am not Clang fanboy, I just want all those C++11/14 features as fast as possible. back in te 2010 days, I was using VS2010 which had lambda's and auto, but somewhere they lost the momentum
 
useful for production code
... not yet
 
@TemplateRex that's very cool you want them. I want a working debugger.
 
@BartekBanachewicz debuggers are meh, just write good tests
 
10:51 PM
@TemplateRex I hope you realize how silly that sounds
 
Debuggers are meh.
 
Whoot, i even debug when testing
 
@BartekBanachewicz use gdb
 
@A.H. it's CLI is too unwieldy to be used with larger codebases
 
no seriously, I hardly ever debug
 
10:51 PM
Debugging by debugging > debugging by testing
 
@TemplateRex that's very cool, I guess. Might be related to not having a debugger.
 
@DavidKron don't you need both?
 
@A.H. of course you need both
 
or do you just start debugging with no aim ?
 
@TemplateRex Are you one of those going to tell us how you just write code that always works as-well?
 
10:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol, true
 
Just rex is apparently trying to convince us to his world views.
 
@TemplateRex do you ship anything ?
 
@DavidKron no I have lots of bugs, but I write tests, and am not using a Debugger,
 
which, considering I am a part of this discussion, is not going to happen.
 
with enough low-level tests, all bugs are shallow
 
10:53 PM
@TemplateRex Good luck writing tests for a graphical application
 
Guy posts awesome TMP re-implementation of real number parsing on Spirit mailing list. The devs give him, after a few thanking and encouraging exchanges, tough love:
> To be honest, that syntax makes me cringe. IMO, it's too low-level
for my taste. I'm hoping the syntax can be improved. Syntax matters.
Also, and again, compile time matters too. Now that you have a
working implementation, I suggest working on usability next.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I really need to learn what headless tests mean
 
@TemplateRex except they are not or the number of tests required would be simply nonsensical compared to actual gain
 
@BartekBanachewicz not my expertise, YMMV
 
^ The thing is, they're spot on. Good library design is for users, and API design counts
 
10:54 PM
@TemplateRex I am a graphics dev, so yeah.
 
@sehe Yeah but they could be a bit more... motivational?
 
@TemplateRex +1
 
@sehe indeed.
 
@DavidKron See the rest. They are. And it's really quite awesome (you know, tests, benchmarks, the works). Still, the truth has got to be said: the thing needs a better interface. See the thread for yourself: boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/…
To name an example, in test unit real2.cpp there's a following statement:

typedef typename mpl::x11::insert<
		typename mpl::x11::erase_key<
			typename mpl::x11::erase_key<
				typename mpl::x11::erase_key<
					precise_real_policy<double>,
					with_special
				>::type, with_exponent_sign
			>::type, with_exponent
		>::type, mpl::x11::pair<with_filter, test::ts_filter>
	>::type ts_policy;
 
10:56 PM
^ this is the cringe-worthy snippet
 
frankly
compared to some TMP I've seen in Boost, that's really not a big deal.
 
@sehe Honestly I don't think the spirit guys can really complain about syntax. =/
 
if that would appear in application code I'd kick it to the moon in review
 
@DeadMG This is enduser facing. You don't appreciate Spirit if you think that's ok
 
orite.
 
10:57 PM
I have written such TMP code and it is truly awful to maintain and thank God for constexpr ;-)
 
@BartekBanachewicz or just don't look at it
 
@A.H. that's not what reviews are for
@TemplateRex C++ sucks, nothing new.
 
The current spirit incarnation of RealPolicies would look more like so (scroll half page for policy sample): boost.org/doc/libs/1_54_0/libs/spirit/doc/html/spirit/qi/…
 
@BartekBanachewicz blasphemy
 
@sehe Gosh i got so jealous
 
10:58 PM
@TemplateRex not a silver bullet
 
@A.H. suuuuuucks
 
@BartekBanachewicz C++ rox, it is the best language ever in all criteria
 
User removal is a plague.
 
@DavidKron ? Of what, eigentlich?
 
TMP is a black hole, I try to avoid it as much as possible
 
10:59 PM
You can't take 10 reputation super points from me every time you remove a user. :(
 
@Jefffrey Plaque removal is useful
@Jefffrey Meh. 10 points
 
@sehe Recognition i guess
 
@A.H. suuuuckaaage
 
@sehe My precious gryffindor points!!!
3
 
11:00 PM
whatever , go play with your Haskell
 
Sadly, Haskell is pure
 
pure of what?
 
All things impure
 
-865. Holy crap. — LBT Mar 22 at 14:22
 
@DavidKron its a cult thing
 
11:02 PM
@Jefffrey Oh Hermione you....
 
I think people who use "go fly a kite" as an insult don't really understand kites or insults.
 
@sehe 1% rep loss in a day, you should move into quant finance c++ dev job :-)
 
:/
 
Its funny, so many speak about haskell and erlang as the most theoretically beautiful languages. But yet ive never seen some compelling software.
 
11:04 PM
@DavidKron have you looked?
 
@DavidKron functionally pure
 
Pure of heart
 
But i guess they are more theoretically awesome than practical
 
@BartekBanachewicz sehe in his natural habitat
 
@DavidKron both.
 
11:06 PM
That GIF just reminded me that I want to build an empire in a snow biome in Minecraft. BRB
 
@sehe apart from rep loss of deleted users, the auto-wiki conversion after 10+ edits is also annoying as hell
 
I think both have been fixed (for some values of fixed)
 
anyway, bed time now, in 5-6 hours my kid will be bouncing next to my bed
 
@Jefffrey gl
 
I have a hard time imagining something more beautiful than templates.
 
11:09 PM
okey RC installed up and running
C++11 here I come
 
Someone needs more imagination
 
@sehe Help me then
 
I don't even.
 
user1804599
Eww; wrong brace style.
 
@not-rightfold your fake attention to wrong details sucks
just FYI
that's why you have PHP job, I guess.
I keep finding ":wq" littered all over this project's source code.
 
11:15 PM
@DavidKron You think it's you that needs it, then?
@BartekBanachewicz meh. don't make good programmers use emacs, then :/
It's not fake, credit where credit's due.
Also, don't complain about "detail attention" when you're gasping over a <10% hue difference in syntax highlighting :)
(after all, it will still be Untellisense anyways)
Aw, crap. I missed this talk earlier :)
"Tudor comes from dad, Cristian comes from mom and Andrei comes from the gynecologist. I'm not kidding" @incomputable http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/The-Way-of-the-Exploding-Tuple
 
World War Z is awesome!
 
That sounds so funny/sad for someone not indoctrinated with games
 
@wilx Did you just read my mind?
 
:D
Dunno, did I?
 
I just saw i had the film on my drive 5 mins ago, and was thinking about asking here randomly.
 
11:28 PM
@DavidKron: I find it entertaining, thrilling, epic, funny. :)
 
I didn't dare to ask, but god made you answer anyway. Because i believe in that stuff, that close minded shit.
You know you are a pirate when you instead of a folder, name a partition downloads.
 
I have several filesystems named that.And I'm hardly a pirate
 
they could be filled with perfectly legal downloads
but I prefer to say, "You know you are a pirate when you copy software for free when you have no legal right"
 
ITT AntiJokePuppy :)
 
lol
 
11:39 PM
Statements like this make me want to give up on learning C++:

const int*const Method3(const int*const&)const;
 
const int* method3(const int* ) const; // FTFY
 
A const int * const is legal, isn't it?
 
of course
so is const int * const &
 
Not certain if the argument is... or if so, why you take it by reference.
You cannot change what it points to, correct?
 
@Pawnguy7 It was all legal. Just not useful
 
11:43 PM
@Pawnguy7 yes
its probably an example from a book to make sure you understand types and const
 
@sehe Probably, though I have no idea what the context is, if there is one.
 
that has no practical use
 
I think I have only used a *& once. I cannot remember why, though. It was probably a bad idea, whatever it was.
 
11:45 PM
@A.H. It's probably an example (like on FQA) to make you abhor const
 
@BartekBanachewicz what text editor is that?
 
@Pawnguy7 T*& can be useful (though, rarely), however, T* const& is never useful
37 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
okey RC installed up and running
 
I am just starting C++ and I have heard that you can define compiler constants or something. Would that allow you to define a different keyword for each use of const and then have the compiler replace it with const?
 
Don't. (they mean #define)
 
11:48 PM
@sehe Hmm. Are you sure? I mean, I can't find any RC text editor on Google.
Is that like an IDE or something?
 
Because you will only confuse yourself and others by mutilating the language. And there will be a nice mess when you redefine an identifier like 'immutable' and it's used in some other (included) header
@Jefffrey ... VS2013 RC?! (Yes I'm sure. He has it installed.)
 
Oh.
That wasn't that obvious though.
 
mutilating, no matter the context it sounds so perverted
"yo dawg, I heard you mutilated that book of yours. rad."
 
@EtiennedeMartel I've had ~~I want to pogne~~ stuck in my head for the last few hours... thanks
 
@Borgleader never gonna give you up.
 

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