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Ell
6:03 PM
You need some directory the user has access to
doesn't have to be /home
 
@CatPlusPlus +1
I've been running ZFS on OpenSolaris, fuse and now zfsonlinux for ~6 or 7 years now. Very nice
 
user1804599
> We need to move forwards with web scale languages like Ruby and Python and MongoDB.
 
user1804599
BUT NODE.JS
 
user1804599
> then install Node.js to back up our butt based webscale infrastructure in order to be in synergy with our Agile, indie, methodology.
 
user1804599
6:09 PM
lol
 
> You could write the software for the next mars vehicle in PHP+MongoDB and could completely avoid any kind of error you set your mind to, if only you "code it responsibly".
Yeah, how about using high-level languages for car break systems too? Like JavaScript
 
user1804599
Screw non-fully-mechanical breaks.
 
"I'm terribly sorry, but your son died because JavaScript was performing a garbage collection cycle"
 
Xeo
> can't break, GC running
 
@melak47 It's such a happy place
 
user1804599
6:12 PM
Time to write some software.
 
user1804599
I haven't coded anything today.
 
I wrote one line of code today
And it was a comment
 
Ell
I wonder if packets should be able to be applied retroactively to a game state object or sthng
 
I committed a total of -9 today.
 
Xeo
Well done
 
6:14 PM
@Ell Don't apply packets while shitting.
 
user1804599
Do it radioactively.
 
Xeo
> An idea came to my head to define a light-weight equivalent to std::array where a reference to an array will be kept
Guess the author.
 
that one german guy
:D
 
Xeo
not stackm...@hotmail
 
@Xeo damnit it wasn't indexed by google =/
 
6:16 PM
This is not an answer. I'm much more curious who voted this up. If you're not sharing information, why post? — sehe 19 secs ago
 
@Xeo array_ref?
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Guess the author, not the class name :P
 
@Xeo "an idea came to my head" - he should start a sect or a cult.
 
@Xeo Vlad from Moscow?
 
Xeo
You cheated.
 
6:17 PM
It's either him or the german guy
 
Xeo
Which German guy?
 
I'll try to find his actual name, starts with B I think
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're not German yet. Relax :/
 
Oh looking at it now, I don't know if he's german.
Bengt Gustafsson
 
6:18 PM
Sounds Nordic.
 
Oh noes. That guy
 
Xeo
Doesn't sound very German
 
user1804599
@n3k0 You have my old avatar!
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Rapptz
@Xeo Vlad from Moscow?
 
@Xeo I know right, I linked it
 
Xeo
6:19 PM
Oh, overlooked that, sorry
 
@Ell like what, packets that arrived too late?
 
From now on I'll call him "Doesn't know TMP"-guy
 
user1804599
Vlad Putin
 
Xeo
That applies to a lot of people :s
 
so
 
user1804599
 
my doctor will arrange for me to be sent a letter so I can schedule an appointment with a consultant to assess whether or not to schedule my surgery
12
 
I also have no idea why I associated Bengt with German.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold He stole your property. Kill him and take it back.
 
user1804599
@n3k0 boom headshot
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Sounds Java-esque
 
6:21 PM
@DeadMG Good luck.
 
@DeadMG More levels of indirection help, right?
 
@Rapptz My luck's already ran out. Right now, I'm choosing between "hungry" and "horrifically sick".
 
> Before saying "of course", please write the code.
 
Ell
@melak47 yeah
 
^ entitlement ("you have to prove I'm dumb missing a point before you can imply it")
 
6:21 PM
no more "Don't eat bad foods and you can be both not-hungry and not-sick".
 
user1804599
@Xeo The customer relationship system, which is obviously written in Java, requires it's done this way.
 
@sehe link?
 
@Ell I suppose that depends on a lot of things...but generally, if you find out that whatever you assumed to be happening lacking actual info turned out to be not that way...correcting it sounds like a good idea? :S
 
@DeadMG IIRC it was from std-proposals.. here
 
Ell
Yeah.I was thinking about things which I didn't assume were happening
 
6:23 PM
@DeadMG Someone asked me to show how perfect forwarding can help solve the 2^N overloads problem...
 
user1804599
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
 
user1804599
Nice. :P
 
Xeo
I told him to keep it
He wanted to change it :<
 
reminded me of this
 
Xeo
6:25 PM
@Borgleader I loved that scene
 
@Ell why is applying a late packet different from applying other packets?
 
Ell
Because if it each client gets the packet at a different time they will be out of sync
 
user1804599
@Xeo Hmm.
 
user1804599
Is “Grüsen” plural?
 
@not-rightfold :11734354 Really? mmm .. i use this cat in all sites ... since 3 years ago, but i'm not too old in here SO. My apologies for any inconvenience :-)
 
user1804599
6:29 PM
In Dutch we use singular; “Met vriendelijke groet,”.
 
user1804599
Usually. I haven't ever seen “groeten” used this way, even though it's correct.
 
I always use met vriendelijke groeten tbh
 
user1804599
Belg.
 
user1804599
:3
 
Tja.
 
Xeo
6:36 PM
@not-rightfold Ja
@not-rightfold We also have "Mit freundlichem Gruß", but that's rather uncommon, from what I can tell
 
user1804599
You and your weird capitalizations. :P
 
Xeo
:<
 
and funky B's
 
Xeo
I think they considered changing that once
The capitalization, that is
 
> My idea differs. I do not want that array_ref would be immutable.
lol
@Xeo Hope not.
I like it :(
 
Xeo
6:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do have to admit that perfect forwarding kinda seems like the proverbial cannon on sparrows (is that even the right English proverb?), atleast for non-generic code
 
in Dutch we use our cannons for mosquitos
 
Why do I have the feeling that the robot and xeo in the asylum are like 2 tourists in a freak show? xD
 
@Xeo I don't recognise that.
 
Xeo
"Mit Kanonen auf Spatzen schießen"
 
user1804599
Haskell is secretly German.
 
6:42 PM
Sledgehammer to crack a nut?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Guess that's the same.
 
@Rapptz i only got 800 pts on my first try =/
 
Ell
@not-rightfold secretly? Look how precisely its engineered, its German through and through
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
6:43 PM
I swear to God this is valid Java.
 
Should I buy the HIB9 just for Trine 2?
 
Plural of Vala is Valar.
 
user1804599
If you define a var type. :V
 
user1804599
Valae.
 
@not-rightfold implements
 
6:43 PM
@not-rightfold wouldnt it be String in Java?
 
@not-rightfold Definitely C#.
 
The Valar (singular Vala) are characters in J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium. They are first mentioned in The Lord of the Rings, but The Silmarillion (published posthumously but assembled mostly from material written before The Lord of the Rings) develops them into the Powers of Arda or the Powers of the World. They are angelic powers, the Ainur that chose to go into the World (Arda) and complete its material development after its form was determined by the Music of the Ainur (Ainulindalë). Origin and acts Eru Ilúvatar first revealed to the Ainur his great vision of The World through mus...
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Great, now it's down
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh right, and extends. :')
 
@Xeo Yeah.. :(
 
6:44 PM
@Rapptz 502. Uh.
 
It died mid-game on me.
 
Xeo
The Lounge was too much for the little quiz
 
user1804599
#include <stdio.h>

int main(void)
{
    printf("hello, world\n");
}
 
user1804599
C or C++? :(
 
Xeo
6:44 PM
C
 
^
 
user1804599
Why not C++?
 
user1804599
Is <stdio.h> forbidden?
 
stdio/printf
 
Xeo
Wrong style
 
6:45 PM
T f(void) is a C-ism.
 
Xeo
^
 
user1804599
Damn.
 
user1804599
I misclicked.
 
Because T f() declares a different thing in C. (though not in definitions, but I can see why someone would want to keep consistent)
 
user1804599
6:45 PM
> 502 Bad Gateway
 
user1804599
Bweh.
 
user1804599
I always use void for nullary functions in C.
 
@not-rightfold There are two bugs.
Lack of capitals and lack of bang.
 
Oh it's written in Go apparently
I didn't know people actually used it
 
user1804599
Arg.
 
user1804599
6:47 PM
The lisps are difficult.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Go's fun.
 
Xeo
There was one that looked like Java, until println "hello, world"
 
user1804599
Everything looks like Java.
 
It 502'd for me :(
 
user1804599
No matter what the language is, people will write Java in it.
 
user1804599
6:50 PM
defmodule Hello do
  def world do
    IO.puts "Hello World"
  end
end

Hello.world
 
user1804599
Hihi Elixir!
 
Xeo
... any syntactical differences between JS and CoffeeScript?
 
@not-rightfold implements/extends
 
Xeo
hello = function() {
  alert("Hello World!");
};

hello();
 
I put Erlang on that and got it wrong.
 
user1804599
6:51 PM
@Xeo That's the entire point of CoffeeScript. :V
 
user1804599
@Xeo JavaScript.
 
user1804599
CoffeeScript uses indentation.
 
Xeo
ah, ok
 
user1804599
hello = ->
    alert 'Hello, world!'

hello()
 
Xeo
Wtf is "Gosu"
 
user1804599
6:51 PM
This is the CoffeeScript equivalent. Parentheses around the string literal are optional.
 
@Xeo good/pro afaik
in SC2 speak anyway
 
user1804599
I get most right.
 
Xeo
> print("Hello World!")
> Nope! The right answer was Gosu
 
Language fetishist
 
Ell
I've heard of Gosu
 
6:52 PM
@Xeo Ugh, that page sucks.
 
Yeah, 5 lines up
 
class
    HELLO_WORLD
create
    make
feature
    make
        do
            print ("Hello, world!%N")
        end
end
wot.
 
user1804599
"dlroW olleH">:v
             ^,_@
 
user1804599
lol befunge
 
Gosu (고수) is a Korean term used to refer to a highly skilled person. In computer gaming the term is usually used to refer to a person highly skilled in multiplayer games like League of Legends, StarCraft, Warcraft III (RTS/RPG - DotA), Diablo II (RPG), Counter-Strike (FPS) and others. The term was adopted by gaming communities in many countries because of a large South Korean presence in online gaming communities. Origin The origin of the term is from hanja: 高手, literally "high hand", also meaning pro or highly skilled at something, is used for a person with skill, usually in martial...
 
6:53 PM
@Rapptz Eiffel?
 
user1804599
@sehe zwijg:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep.
Hm, 502 again. :(
 
user1804599
They should lower their traffic. :P
 
Xeo
Well, it's on Reddit
 
My lack of sleep is getting to me
I think I'll go nap
 
user1804599
6:54 PM
goto bed;
 
Imma sleep too.
 
Xeo
wat
It's only 9pm
lol
 
@Xeo I'm tired.
And I need to leave work early tomorrow.
(Meaning I want to get there early as well)
 
user1804599
> Class Form1
 
Xeo
> Your score is 1300!
 
user1804599
6:56 PM
Ugh I hate it when people name their stuff like this.
 
Xeo
Stupid languages nobody knows :<
 
user1804599
@Xeo I got 3500. :(
 
Xeo
Well that Chef one is easy
 
user1804599
:P
 
user1804599
I keep getting Ada, Pascal and Delphi wrong.
 
user1804599
6:57 PM
Never read any code written in them.
 
Xeo
Pascal and Delphi are pretty damn similar, IIRC
 
Delphi is a Pascal dialect.
 
Xeo
Delphi also originated from Pascal, if I'm not mistaken
Welp
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus The guy who's married to my Polish cousin once told me.
 
It's been also called Object Pascal.
Long time ago.
 
Xeo
6:58 PM
@not-rightfold wait.
 
user1804599
Wait stupid English.
 
Xeo
that sounds weird, time/age-wise
 
user1804599
cousin
 
Xeo
that sounds better
 
user1804599
We use "nicht" for both "niece" and "cousin" in Dutch.
 
user1804599
6:59 PM
lol
 
Xeo
not that it's entirely impossible, but it was rather.. unlikely.
 
0
Q: What can I use for developing on FPGA (Virtex): C, C++, OpenCL, MPI?

AlexWhat can I use for developing on FPGA Virtex-5 or Virtex-7: C, C++, C++11, OpenCL, MPI? And what is mostly usually uses for this?

 
Xeo
module Main where

main :: IO ()
main = putStrLn "Hello, World!"
Wheee!
 
user1804599
@Xeo Everything is possible these days. Before you know you're your own grandfather.
2
 
Xeo
> Try refreshing a page
 
7:01 PM
That stupid game is timing out.
 
Xeo
Any page I want?
 
Sure, since refreshing this one won't do shit anyway.
 
@Xeo One of my uncles has a nephew older than him.
 
> At present my head is busy of thinking about the proposal for the two-sided list.:)
 
Xeo
7:03 PM
TIL: SuperCollider is a language
 
They should use it for the MultiCollider.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dafuq is a two sided list?
other than a doubly linked list which is already in the standard...
 
@Borgleader Probably garbage, since it's Vlad's idea.
 
Xeo
has a pointer to end
that's it
 
doesn't std::list have that already?
 
7:04 PM
So, exactly like a regular list, then?
 
Xeo
@Borgleader yes, but that's also bidirectional
 
user1804599
Go! :D
 
user1804599
> Lives: 5 Score: 2600
 
@Xeo i thought std::list was?
 
user1804599
Bad Gateway at this point. :<
 
7:05 PM
So, exactly like a regular double-linked list, then?
 
@not-rightfold Lol
 
Xeo
@Borgleader I mean std::list
 
@not-rightfold and for queers :/
 
Xeo
his "two-sided list" would still be forward-only, just with an efficient insertion /extraction at the end
 
user1804599
The COBOL vs ABAP one was funny.
 
user1804599
7:05 PM
I thought ABAP but I wasn't entirely sure. :)
 
Xeo
> "Hello world!".postln;
wtf
 
user1804599
Then I realised a COBOL example would most certainly contain PROCEDURE DIVISION..
 
user1804599
@Xeo Uh SuperCollider IIRC.
 
Xeo
yea
 
@Xeo I don't see how this would be a worthwhile addition to the standard. Now I see what the robot meant
 
7:07 PM
@Xeo Magst du nicht gern eine Zeichenreihe posteln?
 
Xeo
> import "fmt"
 
Looks like Go.
 
user1804599
@Xeo Go.
 
Xeo
ya
 
> import "ffs"
 
user1804599
7:07 PM
Ha COBOL!
 
user1804599
> Lives: 4 Score: 4300
 
user1804599
This is going well.
 
So, it appears Roy Dupuis, a relatively well known (here at least) Québec actor, has a Russian fanbase.
 
Xeo
Why do Vlad's threads always get so much attention...
 
user1804599
I like how the basename of the path is the package name.
 
7:09 PM
I never thought I'd want to do this, but I'm actually slicing an object on purpose now :|
 
user1804599
So if you do import "foo/bar/baz", you can use the Qux function in that package using baz.Qux().
 
user1804599
 
Xeo
GAAAH ,the timeout cleared my score
fuck it
> program ObjectPascalExample;
 
user1804599
Delphi.
 
Xeo
I know
But who puts the damn name in the code
 
7:13 PM
@Xeo It's a trap
@Xeo Because he's so darn cute
 
user1804599
// C example
package main
import "fmt"
func main() {
    fmt.Printf("Hello, world!")
}
 
user1804599
Haha suckers!
 
Xeo
lol
 
user1804599
Today I learned there is a language called “Processing”.
 
user1804599
I guess it's used for processing data.
 
Xeo
7:16 PM
It's a Java-derived graphics language-thingy
 
user1804599
Also ABAP.
 
user1804599
ABAP looks like a mix of COBOL and SQL.
 
Xeo
> import flash.display.Sprite;
lolAS3
 
user1804599
@Xeo Nice memories.
 
Ell
I knew about processing
arduino language is spin off of it
 
Xeo
7:17 PM
> IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
 
Ell
Or something
 
user1804599
@Xeo Oh I love that.
 
Xeo
How do you even distinguish Scheme and Common Lisp :<
 
user1804599
I tried to write a guess-a-number game once in COBOL but I got stuck at seeding the PRNG.
 
user1804599
@Xeo *standard-output* :3
 
Xeo
7:21 PM
... seriously? The only difference between the Prolog and the Logtalk example was the ?- as the last line?
 
hello
 
@Xeo It's for knowledge experts (ba-dum-tssssh)
 
user1804599
Maybe I can just read from /dev/urandom instead of seeding the PRNG.
 
user1804599
No idea how to read anything but sequential files, though.
 
Xeo
<regex> is broken on GCC/libstdc++. — Xeo 7 secs ago
Man
So many GCC/regex questions the last few days
 
7:24 PM
@Xeo whats logtalk ?
 
Xeo
No clue
 
btw anyone know of an alarm app that will make extreme noise and never shut up unless I do math to stop it ?
 
Xeo
lol
There are clocks that do that
and other things
 
> I wrote a proposal before joining the group as a member - I submitted the topic but it didn't appear. I don't have a backup - is it lost or can an admin recover it? lolwut?!
^ EPIC
 
I think if I have to come all the way to the screen and be blinded by light I will wake up
 
Xeo
7:26 PM
fix your sleeping habits
 
Ell
@not-rightfold everything is a file!
 
Xeo
I usually wake up from the slightest noise my alarm makes
 
I have been up for more 30~35 hours
 
I'm the kind of guy who learned to turn his alarm off in his sleep.
 
now I am off to sleep and will (hopefully) wakeup in 4 hours to study for exam
@DeadMG I feel your pain :<
 
Ell
7:28 PM
Goodnight!
 
night
 
Xeo
@A.H. So not happening.
 
user1804599
 
@not-rightfold theres also a helicopter ish model where part of the alarm flies off and you have to fetch it and put it back in place before you can turn it off/snooze
 
Xeo
snooze is evil
 
user1804599
7:31 PM
lol
 
user1804599
My ex-classmates get OO design patterns now.
 
Ell
I would have a simon alarm game
 
Xeo
> automatically linking to libpthread.so negatively affects performance of single-threaded programs that use some parts of the C++ standard library
interesting
 
unavoidable.
 
@not-rightfold Not sure if progress....
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
They're not allowed to use the singleton pattern “because it's too easy to implement.”
 
-11
A: What is considered bad reputation on Stack Overflow?

Evan CarrollAt the very heart of this is a flawed premise. You can't make a useful metric of StackOverflow EXP because if play StackExchange right your EXP will be split between multiple sites. Were your VIM questions asked on SuperUser or StackOverflow? If not StackOverflow, you'll have fewer EXP. Were yo...

^^ ahaha
 
Ell
Is there a c++ syntax for "unapply", the opposite of ()
 
@Ell huh? In what context?
 
Xeo
@Ell what would that do?
 
Confuse the hell out of C++ programmers
 
7:43 PM
Survey idea: what is the most confusing overload you have seen in production code?
 
Ell
It would undo the function call. Sorry ignore me, I'm doing the thing where I don't think before I type. Then blurt stuff out >.<
 
@Mysticial That guy has been on my plonk list forever. And looking at his rep change, I guess I'm not the only one to dislike him lol
 
Ell
I was thinking in my head the function call operator would apply a delta, and I needed a syntactic opposite
 
> apply a delta
of course
So you want the Command pattern, UnitOfWork and Memento patterns :/
 
Xeo
7:48 PM
@StackedCrooked Nicer beat.
 
Ell
@sehe why :/ ? Is it an "evil" pattern? Or because I didn't know?
 
@Ell Because it is not generally feasible. It could be done for certain pure functions, but I don't suppose even Haskell has a typeclass "InverseFunctor" or something :/
 
@Xeo pfff beat you
 
Sorry, but plix... no food pictures :(
 
really?
Sounds like someone who got really bored playing with matchsticks and found a synthesizer
 
7:52 PM
I feel bad enough as it is
 
Xeo
I don't think that would be particularly good for you even if you weren't sick
 
@sehe I'll let you off the hook, you are not required to like it :)
 
It's kinda hard to like this, too
 
hello friends and not friends
I did put a couple of comments on this one: stackoverflow.com/a/18731820/34509
 
user1174868
7:53 PM
Hello
 
Xeo
> Due to an unfortunately busy paper author and a looming pre-mailing deadline, such wording hasn't been created.
 
Ell
@sehe well I'd manually write the "undo" method myself
 
Xeo
lol
 
@Ell Which is a pattern
 
Ell
Right. My use case is synchronising game state over network & recording so I can play back, and stuff :3
I don't know how "bad" it is. But I can't think of any other way :o
 
7:55 PM
@DeadMG I see.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sorry.
 
@Ell Command pattern should be enough (why go back? Just retain "a" starting state and you can replay the "journal" of commands if required)
 
do you prefer if (size()) or if (size() != 0) style? (not considering empty() for now)
 
Ell
@sehe well the back is for applying a late command retroactively. Undo all the commands until the later packet was supposed to be applied, then apply the late packet, then re-apply all the packets after it
 
7:58 PM
@Ell can't you... just make sure the order is consistent in the first place? make it a monotonously increasing eventid (counter) or something
And, still, then, you'd just discard a few "state frames" (so you'd likely keep a list of states since the last "key" state, and rollback to that. If a package is late from before the oldest key state, you're... screwed)
 

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